| Given the disastrous announcement of Shojo Beat recently licensing (and falsely advertising!) a SHOUNEN manga, the disappointingly small amount of shoujo manga licenses (or how late they get) outside of Japan, reignited flame wars over a SOMEHOW OFFICIAL SHOJO BEAT RESPONSE to a fan question kindly asking for reprints, and the overwhelming amount of support and sighs of relief for just ONE shoujo finally announced and it's one that some shoujo diehards straight up don't even care about... can we all finally admit that shoujo deserves better? I see so much discourse on YouTube and here on the MAL forums essentially trying to say that shoujo kinda doesn't deserve shit and that essentially shoujo announcements have still been the same, when in reality it's the other way around. It's fine to admit that you don't care enough to research properly into arguments you're trying to make regarding something that you don't even watch much of in the first place. I mean, compare the number of shoujo anime we get these days vs. the number of shounen or EVEN SEINEN anime the modern anime industry has brought us. With this year, I've went through seasonal charts for this year and counted that we only have 3-4 shoujo, with around 1-2 new shoujo for each season not counting stuff like specials or mini web series. Meanwhile, with shounen, we have at least 5 frickin new shows each season, I swear it feels like we got over 20 for the year overall in fact. Now I get that it sounds like I'm just overall pissed off about anime just cuz they just won't gimme what I want. Maybe so but if I hated anime just for that then why would I be on here then? I know y'all are tired of my posts ranting about shoujo being thanos snapped but I'm posting this thread because I'm disappointed in a medium that used to produce more of the shit that I did and still do love. It's way beyond the point of there being way, way, way more shoujo manga than there is shoujo anime as opposed to that of shounen and seinen, and now it's gotten to the point that shoujo enthusiasts are getting the word out on YouTube saying what part of what I'm trying to say. Anime is just trashy isekais, generic shonen, badly animated CGI fests, and big titties on display now. And that's just sad. Seriously people on here are actually in denial, so many times I see people on here complaining about modern anime and saying shit about modern romcom anime romance, but then ignoring all the chad romances treated to a demographic that once enjoyed a feast of stuff like Full Moon wo Sagashite, Cardcaptor Sakura, Skip Beat, NANA, Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne and so on... yet they still say shoujo is boring, mid, the same shit over and over, and maybe even unnecessary overall. Seriously... wake up, you guys. . . . . . . ★-⋆-⋆-⋆-⋆-⋆-⋆-⋆-⋆-⋆-★ ...I wonder how well this thread will age with referencing random bait that NOBODY'S gonna get lmao Hey everyone, hope you didn't completely deem me irrelevant yet lol So yeah, I made a shoujo thread. Again. And again. But nobody really wants to post on them, so here I am staying up all night yet again to try to talk about an issue that I really care about. And since nobody seemingly cares I have to frickin resort to shitposting copypasta just to get y'all to read this lolsrry Did I come across as too toxic in the beginning there? I mean it everyone, I really am sorry.  But seriously though, shoujo anime kinda looks like it's dying out right now. There are still so many shoujo manga that haven't received adaptations (or even remakes) even though you'd think that they'd get them at some point
Of course the amount of shoujo not picked up is not limited to these, but like come on what are you people all doing I'm sure the few of you who recognize these series know how good they are and may still hope for them to be adapted! If this applies to you, please feel free to share which of these you love the most and want more love for... as well as anything I may have missed because it's seriously 3 am here oh my god what am I doingggggggggg Along with sharing your favorites that apply, what are your general thoughts? Do you hate shoujo? Do you think you will ever change your mind and give some shoujo manga/anime a chance sometime? Or does shoujo make you happy like it sometimes does for me as I read shoujo manga? Are you just really tired of me making and bumping threads related to shoujo and how we don't get cute fluffy sparkly looking girl animu anymore? sorry i know, not as high quality as the rest of my threads, but i got school and stuff and i really want to try drawing again but... nevertheless...... Happy discussing!!  |
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| I can't understand why shoujo manga isn't adapted anymore considering that there is still a big audience for that, just look at Orange and what happened after the anime (it was already famous when it was manga only though), it received 2 sequel volumes and they made a movie out of vol6. Kimi no Todoke ran for 30 volumes, also receiving bonus chapters after the end. There is basically n ogood reason as to not adapt shoujo manga, the money reason fails, the popularity reason fails (look at how well received frubas was, it also got a sequel movie). I say it's a trend thing, bigshots just wanna invest in easy stuff like isekai and shounen, hell we don't even get ecchi anime nowadays. In conclusion, we need variety in anime not for the sake of variety but because people would certainly watch that as proven above. |
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Fario-P said: I mean, compare the number of shoujo anime we get these days vs. the number of shounen or EVEN SEINEN anime the modern anime industry has brought us. With this year, I've went through seasonal charts for this year and counted that we only have 3-4 shoujo, with around 1-2 new shoujo for each season not counting stuff like specials or mini web series. You clearly counted in a strange way. This is only fall 2022: 
There are probably more, but I just found this list somewhere a while back. These are all 12-24 episode television series. But, I see the problem. You're using M.A.L.'s tagging system to filter for this. Tags are very incomplete here and many of them aren't tagged as such on M.A.L. even though they clearly are. They more so seem to tag it as a genre rather than a demographic. They also seem to use “shounen" as synonymous with what some call “magical boy”, as in action titles with magical powers and a male protagonist as in Naruto or Dragon Ball. |
reginald11Oct 13, 2022 2:51 AM
reginald11 said: Fario-P said: I mean, compare the number of shoujo anime we get these days vs. the number of shounen or EVEN SEINEN anime the modern anime industry has brought us. With this year, I've went through seasonal charts for this year and counted that we only have 3-4 shoujo, with around 1-2 new shoujo for each season not counting stuff like specials or mini web series. You clearly counted in a strange way. This is only fall 2022:
There are probably more, but I just found this list somewhere a while back. These are all 12-24 episode television series. But, I see the problem. You're using M.A.L.'s tagging system to filter for this. Tags are very incomplete here and many of them aren't tagged as such on M.A.L. even though they clearly are. They more so seem to tag it as a genre rather than a demographic. They also seem to use “shounen" as synonymous with what some call “magical boy”, as in action titles with magical powers and a male protagonist as in Naruto or Dragon Ball. are you trying to annoy her? the only shoujo there is the first one, which is adapted from a shoujo LN, the rest aren't shoujo |
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Catalano said: How on Earth are they not? Whom exactly do you think is being targeted with a boyband title here?reginald11 said: You clearly counted in a strange way. This is only fall 2022:
There are probably more, but I just found this list somewhere a while back. These are all 12-24 episode television series. But, I see the problem. You're using M.A.L.'s tagging system to filter for this. Tags are very incomplete here and many of them aren't tagged as such on M.A.L. even though they clearly are. They more so seem to tag it as a genre rather than a demographic. They also seem to use “shounen" as synonymous with what some call “magical boy”, as in action titles with magical powers and a male protagonist as in Naruto or Dragon Ball. are you trying to annoy her? the only shoujo there is the first one, which is adapted from a shoujo LN, the rest aren't shoujo |
Catalano said: are you trying to annoy her? the only shoujo there is the first one, which is adapted from a shoujo LN, the rest aren't shoujo It's not completely pointless when the OP is missing them in her rant. Saying this: "Anime is just trashy isekais, generic shonen, badly animated CGI fests, and big titties on display now". Like one gets that shojo manga has been severely underrepresented, but one would think, looking at these titles, that the reason behind is that the industry is favoring other sources for primarily female-oriented shows. Let's hope that some of these classic shojo get an adaptation sooner or later though, there seems to be a bit of a nostalgic wave in the industry as well. |
Like only one of those - Koukyuu no Karasu is a genuine attempt at writing a story which makes sense. The rest are fuijo bait and harem trash. |
| I never realized Shoujo fans were so obsessive as Shounen fans, often every week there is one topic like this claiming a imaginary injustice agaisnt the genre, not understanding the reasons of such events in the actual market is obviously a coping mechanism from them, delusional in every way. Now I am starting to wonder why they never were called Shoujotards. |
alshu said: Perhaps they are, but I never claimed they were good which is more subjective.Like only one of those - Koukyuu no Karasu is a genuine attempt at writing a story which makes sense. The rest are fuijo bait and harem trash. Xenophon01 said: There isn't even a market drought as I quoted. The problem is that it's not the one's they like that are being adapted.I never realized Shoujo fans were so obsessive as Shounen fans, often every week there is one topic like this claiming a imaginary injustice agaisnt the genre, not understanding the reasons of such events in the actual market is obviously a coping mechanism from them, delusional in every way. Now I am starting to wonder why they never were called Shoujotards. There are surely more than those eight, in any case. |
reginald11 said: Perhaps they are, but I never claimed they were good which is more subjective. And here comes OP's point - almost all the good shoujo (and josei) sources are skipped. Like titles which have some sort of ambition and potential to become a decent hit, eventually putting shoujo (and josei) back on the map. The most of the greenlit projects are blatant otome pandering - my guess is very little girls pay attention to those. (There was a slight peak of interest towards the "reborn as villainess" titles, but sadly those are not good enough.) |
alshuOct 13, 2022 3:46 AM
| @Fario-P, the title wasn't inspired by another thread gaining lots of traction here on MAL, was it? 😂 Though i'm not that into shoujo myself, i do agree the number and quality of shoujo released today has dropped, the golden age of shoujo were the 90s/2000s reginald11 said: Fario-P said: I mean, compare the number of shoujo anime we get these days vs. the number of shounen or EVEN SEINEN anime the modern anime industry has brought us. With this year, I've went through seasonal charts for this year and counted that we only have 3-4 shoujo, with around 1-2 new shoujo for each season not counting stuff like specials or mini web series. You clearly counted in a strange way. This is only fall 2022:
There are probably more, but I just found this list somewhere a while back. These are all 12-24 episode television series. But, I see the problem. You're using M.A.L.'s tagging system to filter for this. Tags are very incomplete here and many of them aren't tagged as such on M.A.L. even though they clearly are. They more so seem to tag it as a genre rather than a demographic. They also seem to use “shounen" as synonymous with what some call “magical boy”, as in action titles with magical powers and a male protagonist as in Naruto or Dragon Ball. Yeah... when you include the one title OP has already stated as being a shounen romance i fail to take you seriously |
| What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
| Idk man shoujo anime is too cheesy for me, but it's definitely been a while since I've seen a proper shoujo/josei anime actually make it to seasonals tbh |
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reginald11 said: So it's more that o.p.'s personal taste isn't being fulfilled than anything else? Since the mentioned otpme pandering is not getting much traction that means it's not only a matter of OP's personal taste. reginald11 said: Surely we can agree that they adapt what they think brings them money? What they do here is betting on cheap production and minimal income (mostly promises for increase in the of the source) from low quality escapism. With this approach there's a zero chance of rivaling the shounen megahits, thus zero chance of making big money. reginald11 said: Apparently “otome pandering” as you call it brings in my more money and has a larger audience. Most of the time those money invested in the anime project by the source's publisher are written off as publicity expenses. No significant increase of the income, since said publicity (the anime) is quite apathetic. |
reginald11 said: alshu said: So it's more that o.p.'s personal taste isn't being fulfilled than anything else?And here comes OP's point - almost all the good shoujo (and josei) sources are skipped. Like titles which have some sort of ambition and potential to become a decent hit, eventually putting shoujo (and josei) back on the map. The most of the greenlit projects are blatant otome pandering - my guess is very little girls pay attention to those. (There was a slight peak of interest towards the "reborn as villainess" titles, but sadly those are not good enough.) Surely we can agree that they adapt what they think brings them money? Apparently “otome pandering” as you call it brings in my more money and has a larger audience. DigiCat said: O.p. stating it so doesn't make it so.Yeah... when you include the one title OP has already stated as being a shounen romance i fail to take you seriously There's a reason the announcers disagreed with it and called it “shoujo”. In this case that reason would be that that title has a majority audience of young females and was clearly targeted at young females, which should be obvious from the description and that it's an “otome harem” alone. Perhaps when o.p. says “shoujo” he simply means “what I like” and when he says “shounen” he means “what I do not like”, but this is a title about a single female protagonist forced to live in a world of attractive male love interests. — Do you really think the target demographic for this was young males? Dude, Romantic Killer is literally an adaptation of a Shounen Jump manga! Sure it may be one which appeals to girls, but it's still a shounen It's like saying Banana Fish isn't shoujo 'cause it's not the typical girly romance but instead has a crap tone of action which typically appeals to guys |
| What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
| Nobody said, that we don't need. I would totally dig some romance from female POV. |
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| I think we should stop pretending that anime is getting better day by day |
You all have to undrestand that Chainsaw man is impossible to adapt without CG. |
reginald11 said: Apparently it is, eight titles this season and probably more. The exact number doesn't matter, fact is it's dominating the anime shoujo market. reginald11 said: I sincerely doubt these titles cost less to produce than many others. And I disagree. reginald11 said: I've seen the trailers and the animation looks as good as many others But of course they will put the best looking parts in the trailer. reginald11 said: especially The Raven of the Inner Palace looks to have very high quality animation. You mean that exact title I listed as "only one of those","a genuine attempt at writing a story which makes sense". It's a rare exception. But I will disappoint you - the animation is quite limited. Its strengths are period accurate character designs, frame composition, dramatic lighting and some nice backgrounds...which works since it's mostly supernatural detective investigation. reginald11 said: So you believe they are throwing money away at nothing? Similarly to the adaptions of generic isekai. It's more of a publicity for the catalogue of the publisher, not the title itself. By the way there's a very similar thing going on in donghua too - but there it's about the webpages were are the source web novels are published at. |
alshuOct 13, 2022 5:31 AM
| Idc if there will be more shoujo or not, romance is my least favourite genre after all and the majority of shoujo anime is romance and mahou shoujo which is really not my thing but one day I try Cardcaptor Sakura and Princess Tutu |
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reginald11 said: And what of it? That magazine has been running many titles aimed at young girls for a very long time. And so have other shounen magazines, but guess what, things like Noragami wich have a majority female audience, are in a shounen magazines 'cause they were originally meant as shounen but happened to appeal more to girls, and good for the magazine 'cause that means more people will buy it reginald11 said: So a title whose primary demographic is young girls is “stil a shounen” because it runs in “shounen jump”?, a magazine with 51% female readers? Yes, 'cause girls are allowed to like shounen you know |
| What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
| We need better shoujo anime. Its golden age was the late 90s and early 00s. Kodocha, Utena, KareKano, CCS, Furuba, Princess Tutu. All amongst the best anime ever made. But in the last 20 years, there's been nothing to compare. "Shoujo" nowadays seems to be synonymous with milquetoast romances and the occasional remake. The whole thing seems to have lost any confidence to even try to make the new best anime ever. Even stuff from that past era I don't think is quite as successful like Fushigi Yuugi or 12 Kingdoms, it is at least trying, aiming for that big scope. Shoujo anime nowadays is just timid. And it's unhealthy for the medium. One of the strengths of anime as a medium used to be that you got the deepest, darkest hopes and fears of both boys and girls in the same area, coming together and intermingling and producing alchemy. You don't get that any more. |
| I mean is it common to say such things lol? This post really just feels like please anime industry make more what I like and I get that but objectively if shojo manga did sell to the same degree shonen and seinen manga did we would see more. I think last year we had maybe 3 shojo/josei manga in the top 50 sellers the other 47 were shonen/seinen. Granted some like Moriaty the Patriot obviously are also catering to women (the branch of shonen manga going for both demographics may account too as shonen at times feels less like aimed at teen boys and more mass appeal). There hasn't been any big shojo sellers like in the 2000s where manga like Nana where in competition with battle shonen in sales. I have heard that generally women while buy manga at the same rate as men don't watch anime to the same degree. Don't know how true that is but I have seen a few notable shojo manga go to drama adaptions so it may have truth. Ultimately I am all for more demographic and genre variety but the market needs to be there. Women who watch anime tend to now either read/watch shonen/seinen that have wide appeal (Spy x Family) or get pretty borderline in just being shojo (Ancient Magus Bride), otome adaptions/female led modern isekai which we are getting or BL or BL bait. You still need to actually have a few hit titles. If the money is there it will get made. Chole_Bhature said: I think we should stop pretending that anime is getting better day by day Along with people pretending it's getting worse that would be nice. |
BilboBaggins365Oct 13, 2022 5:38 AM
| Its worth mentioning that overall trends would still apply in the same way in this setting. We absolutely will be seeing more (trashy?) isekai Shoujo titles in production and I suspect that this will ramp up massively over the coming years. The anime community has odd blinders when it comes to content produced in, for example, manwha/Ln settings, but the fact that we are seeing even the most appalling and tasteless isekai trope basher garbage being picked up implies to me that the bloated backlog of 'Villianess' titled works will see numerous adaptions, and many of those titles saw plenty of success in their own markets. Its also worth mentioning that overall watching habits across almost all demographics are diversifying, mostly i feel due to lack of content. Many people I know who would never have considered anime at all have several titles under their belts, and typically they are watching the extremely accessible shounen titles, which actually do a pretty good job of catering to a wide audience. Whether you agree with this or not, I personally am looking forward to the mass adaption of the villianess titles because, at the very least, they are not the shallow debased predatory fantasies being pedaled relentlessly to market at the moment. |
| The current demand in the anime industry is related with genres such as Isekai, Rom-com and Nekketsu. Unfortunately, as long most people demand stuff with those genres, the creation of more shoujo anime will be less probable. |
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RomanceEnjoyer48 said: The current demand in the anime industry is related with genres such as Isekai, Rom-com and Nekketsu. Unfortunately, as long most people demand stuff with those genres, the creation of more shoujo anime will be less probable. The reason for the startling number of isekai titles is not just because of the appeal of the setting. Its shorthand for what to expect from the story. The exact same exists for isekai shoujo titles as well, they just aren't getting the same quantities of adaptions.. yet. Or rather, they are getting produced, less often but increasingly, and I expect this trend to escalate meaningfully into the future. Also, a lot of the titles being released are not popular at all, they are just watched most reliably by the fan base. |
| I'm loving the shoujo and shoujo-adjacent anime we've got this season in Raven in the Inner Palace, Villainess Tames Final Boss and Bibliophile Princess. Hope we get many more. |
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| Well, if they decide to put out more shoujo... I would want a second season of Akatsuki no Yona. 8 years after the anime ended and there is sooooo much manga content, but it still hasn't happened despite it's popularity! Why?! That goes for a lot of shoujo series, but honestly, I just can't get passed the fact that they have yet to make another season of Akatsuki no Yona! T^T |
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reginald11 said: DigiCat said: They are not “meant as shounen". This title was blatantly and obviously from the start meant to appeal to a target audience of young females.And so have other shounen magazines, but guess what, things like Noragami wich have a majority female audience, are in a shounen magazines 'cause they were originally meant as shounen but happened to appeal more to girls, and good for the magazine 'cause that means more people will buy it Yes, 'cause girls are allowed to like shounen you know Do you actually think that an “otome harem” title was ever trying to appeal to males? You're hung up on some name of a magazine that carried that name for 40 years. This isn't the 1980s any more; the name simply stuck and W.S.J. has stopped being what you call a “shounen magazine” two decades ago; they simply never changed the name. You do know there are romance anime targeted to guys right? Shounen romance have different humor, different filming angles, and different storytelling styles that distinguish them from shoujo romance Yes they can be cute, yes girls can like them, but don't go calling them shoujo to then complain about them when a panty shot comes on screen, seriosly the amount of girls/women i've seen complain on this site saying stuff like "why does my shoujo anime have panties and boobs and fanservice made for the male gaze REEEEEEEEEE!!!" it's because you're not watching fucking shoujo All you have to do is look at a few manga panels of Romantic Killer to figure out it's drawn to be a shounen, regardless of if in the end the story might appeal more to girls |
| What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
| ehh probably because not all shoujos/shoujo titles appeal to most 'average anime watchers' and animation studios have to actually make money?? think about it. also, nowadays a lot of girls (the 'target demographic' of shoujo) actually watch and prefer shounen or seinen. don't get me wrong tho, there are some very good shoujo shows out there. |
| I am getting a ton of great recommendations from this post! I agree with you soo much, shojo is so underrated. Still waiting for an anime adaptation of High School Debut after a decade. :( Beauty Pop, Cat Street, Kingyosou, Rec:Kimi ga Naita Hi, Hitsuji no Namida, Dengeki Daisy, Hana to Akuma, Aozora Yell.. However it is just unfortunate that the majority of girls now support yaoi anime more than shojo. Not necessarily yaoi but sports/action with bishonen who they can ship. |
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| I would like more shoujo anime in general but there aren't many shoujo manga I read that I would love an anime adaptation nowadays for immediately besides like Ohayou, Ibarahime or more Ouran High School Host Club (whether a continuation or remake/full adaptation). |
| Yes, but not “otome harems”. Shojo Beat anounced it as “shoujo”, even W.S.J.'s own web-page calls it one, so does Japanese Wikipedia and if you one go look at cmoa.jp and look at the “people that bought this also bought” segment it's clear what it is. [quote]Shounen romance have different humor, different filming angles, and different storytelling styles that distinguish them from shoujo romance Yes they can be cute, yes girls can like them, but don't go calling them shoujo to then complain about them when a panty shot comes on screen, And this doesn't have any of that, did you even watch the trailer? Go look it up on youtube and view the profiles of all the people that say they like it in the comments; they're all female when their gender can be determined from the profile. seriosly the amount of girls/women i've seen complain on this site saying stuff like "why does my shoujo anime have panties and boobs and fanservice made for the male gaze REEEEEEEEEE!!!" it's because you're not watching fucking shoujo Quite so, the kind that read nothing more than titles with female protagonists and male love interests and were very angry at Citrus and Netuzou TRap, for they were titles with female love interests that sexualized female characters, this could not be, because only male characters are allowed to be sexualized in “shoujo” of course.All you have to do is look at a few manga panels of Romantic Killer to figure out it's drawn to be a shounen Or maybe you simply have an outdated understanding of art styles. I think I know the type of art style you refer to but it's been a long while since all art targeting teenage girls looked like that. This is publiished in a magazine, B's Log that claims to have over 99% female readership. Art these days is more varied. The complaint isn't “not having a lot of shoujo anime”; the complaint is not having the type o.p. and you like, which is a different matter. regardless of if in the end the story might appeal more to girls It's not “in the end” but “at the start”; you speak as though this be an accident. The title was from the start written to appeal to young girls; it's marketing campaign targets young girls; and almost all of the readers are young girls. — It's simply not the genre you like, but that doesn't mean the demographic is any different. You've simply lost track of how broad the demographic is nowadays. — Again, consider B's Log, it's a 99% female readership magazine that focuses primarily on video game themed content. |
| I’d love to see more family life shoujo anime, rest I don’t care about. |
| It would be great to see a big resurgence of shoujo, but I'm not sure what can be realistically expected. Still, I'm very pleased to see several shoujo airing this fall. |
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BilboBaggins365 said: no way we are pretending that . Even if it is not actually true we actually think that and we are not pretendingI mean is it common to say such things lol? This post really just feels like please anime industry make more what I like and I get that but objectively if shojo manga did sell to the same degree shonen and seinen manga did we would see more. I think last year we had maybe 3 shojo/josei manga in the top 50 sellers the other 47 were shonen/seinen. Granted some like Moriaty the Patriot obviously are also catering to women (the branch of shonen manga going for both demographics may account too as shonen at times feels less like aimed at teen boys and more mass appeal). There hasn't been any big shojo sellers like in the 2000s where manga like Nana where in competition with battle shonen in sales. I have heard that generally women while buy manga at the same rate as men don't watch anime to the same degree. Don't know how true that is but I have seen a few notable shojo manga go to drama adaptions so it may have truth. Ultimately I am all for more demographic and genre variety but the market needs to be there. Women who watch anime tend to now either read/watch shonen/seinen that have wide appeal (Spy x Family) or get pretty borderline in just being shojo (Ancient Magus Bride), otome adaptions/female led modern isekai which we are getting or BL or BL bait. You still need to actually have a few hit titles. If the money is there it will get made. Chole_Bhature said: I think we should stop pretending that anime is getting better day by day Along with people pretending it's getting worse that would be nice. |
You all have to undrestand that Chainsaw man is impossible to adapt without CG. |
| the latest shoujo is about a 26 year old male grooming a 15 year old girl. |
doilyOct 13, 2022 10:11 AM
reginald11 said: Yes, but not “otome harems”. Shojo Beat anounced it as “shoujo”, even W.S.J.'s own web-page calls it one, so does Japanese Wikipedia and if you one go look at cmoa.jp and look at the “people that bought this also bought” segment it's clear what it is. Shounen romance have different humor, different filming angles, and different storytelling styles that distinguish them from shoujo romance Yes they can be cute, yes girls can like them, but don't go calling them shoujo to then complain about them when a panty shot comes on screen, And this doesn't have any of that, did you even watch the trailer? Go look it up on youtube and view the profiles of all the people that say they like it in the comments; they're all female when their gender can be determined from the profile. Quite so, the kind that read nothing more than titles with female protagonists and male love interests and were very angry at Citrus and Netuzou TRap, for they were titles with female love interests that sexualized female characters, this could not be, because only male characters are allowed to be sexualized in “shoujo” of course. Or maybe you simply have an outdated understanding of art styles. I think I know the type of art style you refer to but it's been a long while since all art targeting teenage girls looked like that. This is publiished in a magazine, B's Log that claims to have over 99% female readership. Art these days is more varied. The complaint isn't “not having a lot of shoujo anime”; the complaint is not having the type o.p. and you like, which is a different matter. It's not “in the end” but “at the start”; you speak as though this be an accident. The title was from the start written to appeal to young girls; it's marketing campaign targets young girls; and almost all of the readers are young girls. — It's simply not the genre you like, but that doesn't mean the demographic is any different. You've simply lost track of how broad the demographic is nowadays. — Again, consider B's Log, it's a 99% female readership magazine that focuses primarily on video game themed content. I'm not talking about the artstyle, but about certain angles things are drawn in a way to appeal to guys Of course Women are allowed to be sexy in shoujo, but it's gonna be drawn from a woman's perspective It's 100% normal that shounen, target audience male, is gonna draw women in a way that's desireble, and shoujo, target audience female, is gonna draw men in a way that's desireble And there's many other things which are done differently with shounen and shoujo Take battle shounen for example and compare it to something like Precure, which could be considered a battle shoujo, both are action genre, but there gonna be distinc differences between the way battles look in something like MHA (shounen) vs how they look in Precure (shoujo) And that's just a general idea, there's also gonna be exeptions, experiments, which don't follow similar paterns we usually see And where the hell did you come up with the idea that i'm complaining about not getting the shoujo i like?? I don't even like most typical shoujo anime |
| What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
| OP I am afraid we are entering an era where most of the shoujo you will get is generic villainess crap which female version of male generic power fantasy :V However i agree with everyone of your points love your posts as always Edit -also once again someone in comments tried to justified why a trashy female villainess shit is better than trashy generic male isekai bro they both trash catered for differnet audience to enoy just admit. |
AnimeFA78NOct 13, 2022 10:56 AM
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