| Yes, there's definitely not enough shoujo out there anymore. Shoujo is my favorite demographic. We need more magical girl anime, and more period dramas, like "Candy Candy." |
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| There's not only a severe lack of shoujo, but josei as well, which is a crime. Seinen is my favorite genre, but I'd like for its counterpart see its time in the sun for once |
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_-_Sally_-_ said: Yes, there's definitely not enough shoujo out there anymore. Shoujo is my favorite demographic. We need more magical girl anime, and more period dramas, like "Candy Candy." I've been watching Candy Candy lately! im not too far into it yet as its very long, but i enjoy watching old anime like that, it does give a perspective as to how different anime is now |
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| 2021 was one of the best years for shoujo in a long time. https://myanimelist.net/anime/42938/Fruits_Basket__The_Final https://myanimelist.net/anime/42894/Natsume_Yuujinchou__Ishi_Okoshi_to_Ayashiki_Raihousha https://myanimelist.net/anime/43691/Kageki_Shoujo 'nuff said. |
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garlicdreab said: _-_Sally_-_ said: Yes, there's definitely not enough shoujo out there anymore. Shoujo is my favorite demographic. We need more magical girl anime, and more period dramas, like "Candy Candy." I've been watching Candy Candy lately! im not too far into it yet as its very long, but i enjoy watching old anime like that, it does give a perspective as to how different anime is now I grew up with a lot of older anime, so I really enjoy that stuff. Wakakusa no Charlotte is another great one, which is similar to Candy Candy, and was only recently fansubbed. inim said: 2021 was one of the best years for shoujo in a long time. https://myanimelist.net/anime/42938/Fruits_Basket__The_Final https://myanimelist.net/anime/42894/Natsume_Yuujinchou__Ishi_Okoshi_to_Ayashiki_Raihousha https://myanimelist.net/anime/43691/Kageki_Shoujo 'nuff said. This is a joke, right? Kageki Shoujo isn't even shoujo. It's seinen. The sequel manga is shoujo ironically, but it started in a seinen magazine, so it doesn't really count. |
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_-_Sally_-_ said: Not really a joke, the show cites and homages tons of classic shoujo. Oniisama e... light with Rose of Versailles as core part of the story may be published in a seinen magazine, but certainly written by somebody well aware of the history of the shoujo genre. I usually use your argument myself, only the magazine decides. But here I am tempted to make an exception, for me it's more shoujo than many magical girl shows. it's "deep shoujo", lol.https://myanimelist.net/anime/43691/Kageki_Shoujo This is a joke, right? Kageki Shoujo isn't even shoujo. It's seinen. The sequel manga is shoujo ironically, but it started in a seinen magazine, so it doesn't really count. |
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| Shoujo is not a type of anime I've really watched much of at all but after watching Fruits Basket I'd love to try to get into it a bit more, just don't really know with what. |
| I've been grieving the fall of shoujo anime for a long time. Around of the turn of the century, about half of all great anime was shoujo; Kodocha, Utena, KareKano, CCS, Furuba, Princess Tutu. But since then, there's just been nothing new on that sort of level. And anime has lost something from its absence, without a strong shoujo influence, storytelling standards are slipping across the board in a few aspects. |
| We get one shoujo manga + one reboot of a classic show per year. sometimes even one josei anime look at how #diverse they are!!! |
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Satyr_icon said: Has there been any big breakthrough shoujo manga in the last few years? It's hard for old stuff to get adapted, that might be one of the reasons. Perhaps Kieta Hatsukoi? I don't know how well it's doing sales-wise, but it has been adapted into TV, it's an award winner and it's made by the same artist as Ore Monogatari, which was one of the few non-reboot shoujo anime that had some popularity. |
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 RicePounder said: One of my favorites is Moretsu Pirates (the OP song is a banger too!). It's slice-of-life, but with the nice sci-fi twist and whole Power of Friendship thing going on. A very positive show that centers on space travel and stuff. ----------- Edit: Lucifrost yo, check out Moretsu Pirates. I thought it was pretty good w/o all the corny romance stuff. RioAl said: okay okayYup... i loved Mouretsu Pirates too. Shoujo stuffs from Satelight are never dissapointed me. The theme was also quite good and refreshing in my opinion. And lastly OP from Momoiro Clover Z was blast I've been curious about this anime for a while, you guys have sold me... Just bought DVDs, hope they're worth the ~$33 USD I spent on it... ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ NG_Chloe said: Well that's a manga I was not expecting to see mentioned here at all... literally reading the first 5 vols of that rn lolI would prefer if there were more series that were aimed at a female demographic, all I have is Precure. Would be nice if there was another season of snow white with the red hair or Yona of the Dawn, or an adaptation of Prince Freya  ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Stargazingx said: Nice taste! Any other shoujo manga you have in mind? c:Fario-P said: Agreed! What are some manga that you have in mind if you don't mind sharing? I would definitely like A Sign of Affection to get adapted, it's one of my favorite Shoujo manga right now. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ NekoZamurai said: Try taking a look at these Recommendation threads of yore (don't bump some of these if they're over a month old, mods might kill you but it's fine to just read them)What are some good shoujo anime that one should try? https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2002677 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1967105 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1903757 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2002718 ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ garlicdreab said: You did fine with BBCode, no worries! ^_^Fario-P said: Which is so odd when Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor Sakura, and Puella Magi Madoka Magica are still so insanely popular... but still, right?!?! Speaking of which, I'm assuming CCS is your favorite too? Any other favorites?  yes!! and yeah, i like sailor moon and madoka magica as well. the former i haven't watched in a long long time though, but i do remember loving it when i watched it. I still need to finish CCS though ! I've seen half of it but i absolutely love it. I've also seen and enjoyed princess tutu, its not the most typical magical girl show but i really liked it. there's some others I've also watched, (shugo chara was something i also watched quite long ago but really liked) but I've recently gotten around to watching mahou no tenshi creamy mami, its not as modern as some newer magical girl shows, it came out in like 1983 i think, but the artwork is gorgeous! especially the fluffy hair.  (hope this is formatted correctly)I love Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor Sakura, Princess Tutu, and Madoka Magica too! Read Shugo Chara long ago and I've been meaning to watch Creamy Mami as well!!! |
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alshu said: I should probably read more of it and start the anime before saying this, but yeah so far I'm not feeling the hype for Fruits Basket atm either."is anyone else sad at how there isnt as much shoujo anime now?" Yeah, josei too. Also it's kind of cringe that the most mediocre and unremarkable shoujo of all time is number 9 in Top Anime. This is proof how trashy anime taste is nowadays. The highest decent josei is at 38-th place and the highest decent shoujo is at 63-th place. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ TheRailTracerMAL said: Haven't finished reading that manga, but I did feel the same way while watching Princess Tutu :'(Sure. I'd definitely love it if shoujo/josei is treated the same way as shounen/seinen is nowadays. It's sad to think that I probably won't be watching something modern that is as magical and brilliant as, say...Honey & Clover is anytime soon. Oh well, good thing there's a lot of classics out there. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ColourWheel said: Okay, this isn't the best way since there's always stuff that needs to be added to the DB, but let's take a quick cursory look at MAL statistics:Shoujo Anime hasn't really decreased that much over the years. It only seems there is a lack of Shoujo because of the sheer volume of Anime being produced today compared to over a decade ago. The industry has always produced more Shounen than Shoujo. In the mid 2000s there was one peak year for Shoujo of over 20 releases, but every year before and after has been pretty consistent. If any genre that is really dying it's Ecchi. These days Ecchi is only being produced to make either borderline Hentai titles or simply used as a subtle theme just enough to classify it as Ecchi only because the viewers get to see actual animated nipples or the panty shots are provocative enough to get a horny teen excited.
say what you will about these probably flimsy results, but there was even at least 10 listed more consistently in the past we don't even at least 10 anymore, if anything it's pretty rare... but really, the numbers everyone should be looking at here are actually the percentages and these are all counting the PreCure entries, so remove those ones and we have even less i'm not gonna even bother listing the ecchi ones cuz i'm tired and need to get off the computer soon, someone else feel free to do so for me >.<;; but yeah, sorry horny dude, but I think I'm siding with Lucifrost on this one Lucifrost said: How many shoujo anime will we be getting this year? How many did we get last year? It's a fact that more shoujo anime aired in the 90s. 1995 gave us Sailor Moon, Rayearth, Wedding Peach, Nurse Angel Ririka, Fushigi Yuugi, Saint Tail, Gokinjo Monogatari, and Whisper of the Heart. The year before and the year after had almost as many titles, and that's only counting the names I recognize. regardless of what stance anyone's on, basically the gist you should get out of all this time i wasted is we have always needed more shoujo anime the fact that none of these have even reached 15% much less 33% is so zetta disappointing i will keep whining and complaining and ranting about this until some producers finally realize that and wake the hell up |
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Fario-P said: ColourWheel said: Okay, this isn't the best way since there's always stuff that needs to be added to the DB, but let's take a quick cursory look at MAL statistics:Shoujo Anime hasn't really decreased that much over the years. It only seems there is a lack of Shoujo because of the sheer volume of Anime being produced today compared to over a decade ago. The industry has always produced more Shounen than Shoujo. In the mid 2000s there was one peak year for Shoujo of over 20 releases, but every year before and after has been pretty consistent. If any genre that is really dying it's Ecchi. These days Ecchi is only being produced to make either borderline Hentai titles or simply used as a subtle theme just enough to classify it as Ecchi only because the viewers get to see actual animated nipples or the panty shots are provocative enough to get a horny teen excited.
say what you will about these probably flimsy results, but there was even at least 10 listed more consistently in the past we don't even at least 10 anymore, if anything it's pretty rare... but really, the numbers everyone should be looking at here are actually the percentages and these are all counting the PreCure entries, so remove those ones and we have even less i'm not gonna even bother listing the ecchi ones cuz i'm tired and need to get off the computer soon, someone else feel free to do so for me >.<;; I wasn't aware before the way MAL was tagging things based on demographics. literally all "shoujo" means is "young woman" in Japanese. I had no idea before that the reason why titles were tagged as "shoujo" was specifically because they were adopted from "shojo manga". @Lucifrost made this clear to me how MAL tags things by demographics more clearly. I just figured before that being tagged as a "shoujo" meant it was specifically just targeting young woman. I know you probably went way beyond the effort to try to make a point but these statistics are pretty skewed when you are not taking into account the actual inflation of Anime releases today compared to yesterday. Of course the percentage of "shojo manga" Anime titles are decreasing when an exponential amount of Anime is increasing every year. But over all broadly the amount of "shoujo" titles or titles that would likely target more of a female audience hasn't changed that much. It's just more Anime is being released these days with a broader appeal or strictly targeting a male audience instead of titles just strictly targeting a female audience. The amount of titles specifically targeting a female audience just hasn't kept up with the inflation so it just looks as if there is less being made than before. Not including shorts or short OVAs only about 6 Ecchi titles were released in 2021. The year before this 13 Ecchi titles were released in 2020. In 2019 only 11 where released in 2018. 22 where released in 2017, even if 2017 was an outlier. The Ecchi genre is pretty much dying in comparison to Anime targeting a female audience. At least that how it looks for the past few years. |
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ColourWheel said: Fario-P said: Okay, this isn't the best way since there's always stuff that needs to be added to the DB, but let's take a quick cursory look at MAL statistics:
say what you will about these probably flimsy results, but there was even at least 10 listed more consistently in the past we don't even at least 10 anymore, if anything it's pretty rare... but really, the numbers everyone should be looking at here are actually the percentages and these are all counting the PreCure entries, so remove those ones and we have even less i'm not gonna even bother listing the ecchi ones cuz i'm tired and need to get off the computer soon, someone else feel free to do so for me >.<;; I wasn't aware before the way MAL was tagging things based on demographics. literally all "shoujo" means is "young woman" in Japanese. I had no idea before that the reason why titles were tagged as "shoujo" was specifically because they were adopted from "shojo manga". @Lucifrost made this clear to me how MAL tags things by demographics more clearly. I just figured before that being tagged as a "shoujo" meant it was specifically just targeting young woman. I know you probably went way beyond the effort to try to make a point but these statistics are pretty skewed when you are not taking into account the actual inflation of Anime releases today compared to yesterday. Of course the percentage of "shojo manga" Anime titles are decreasing when an exponential amount of Anime is increasing every year. But over all broadly the amount of "shoujo" titles or titles that would likely target more of a female audience hasn't changed that much. It's just more Anime is being released these days with a broader appeal or strictly targeting a male audience instead of titles just strictly targeting a female audience. The amount of titles specifically targeting a female audience just hasn't kept up with the inflation so it just looks as if there is less being made than before. Not including shorts or short OVAs only about 6 Ecchi titles were released in 2021. The year before this 13 Ecchi titles were released in 2020. In 2019 only 11 where released in 2018. 22 where released in 2017, even if 2017 was an outlier. The Ecchi genre is pretty much dying in comparison to Anime targeting a female audience. At least that how it looks for the past few years. I feel like bringing ecchi into this for no reason is a little silly lol. Shoujo anime IS decreasing in overall prevalence, while yeah, more anime is being made now, its still going down. if it was a simple inflation thing we would be having less shounen too, right? i really don't see your point. like you just said, more anime is being targetted to either a broad audience or male audience now, which is.... quite literally the entire topic of the thread |
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garlicdreab said: Shoujo anime IS decreasing in overall prevalence, while yeah, more anime is being made now, its still going down. if it was a simple inflation thing we would be having less shounen too, right? i really don't see your point. The point was simple, Anime targeting specifically a female audience isn't going down since the number of releases have been relatively consistent despite inflation or the increase of Anime targeting other demographics. Maybe Anime being adopted from "shojo manga" might be declining but does it really matter if it's something that is adopted from a light novel, manga, or even an original concept? As the topic stated, I thought "Shoujo" was specifically spelled this way to not be confused with the spelling of "shojo" which is a style of anime and manga aimed for young women. There is an obvious distinct difference between "Shoujo" and "Shojo". |
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ColourWheel said: garlicdreab said: Shoujo anime IS decreasing in overall prevalence, while yeah, more anime is being made now, its still going down. if it was a simple inflation thing we would be having less shounen too, right? i really don't see your point. The point was simple, Anime targeting specifically a female audience isn't going down since the number of releases have been relatively consistent. Maybe Anime being adopted from "shojo manga" might be declining but does it really matter if it's something that is adopted from a light novel, manga, or even an original concept? As the topic stated, I thought "Shoujo" was specifically spelled this way to not be confused with the spelling of "shojo" which is a style of anime and manga aimed for young women. There is an obvious distinct difference between "Shoujo" and "Shojo". according to wikipedia, Shoujo / Shojo are both the correct romanizations of the "少女" when it comes to the *demographic (*small edit, said genre at first) of anime and manga. it can also be shōjo, i guess that gets rid of some of the confusion with the two spellings? i only saw one site saying there's a difference between the two, and its written so strangely that im not sure i trust it lol. (why does one of them just not have a definition at all lol) Apparently, if you spell shojo as "処女" in Japanese though it means virgin, but that's not used for shojo manga. |
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garlicdreab said: ColourWheel said: The point was simple, Anime targeting specifically a female audience isn't going down since the number of releases have been relatively consistent. Maybe Anime being adopted from "shojo manga" might be declining but does it really matter if it's something that is adopted from a light novel, manga, or even an original concept? As the topic stated, I thought "Shoujo" was specifically spelled this way to not be confused with the spelling of "shojo" which is a style of anime and manga aimed for young women. There is an obvious distinct difference between "Shoujo" and "Shojo". according to wikipedia, Shoujo / Shojo are both the correct romanizations of the "少女" when it comes to the genre of anime and manga. it can also be shōjo, i guess that gets rid of some of the confusion with the two spellings? i only saw one site saying there's a difference between the two, and its written so strangely that im not sure i trust it lol. (why does one of them just not have a definition at all lol) Apparently, if you spell shojo as "処女" in Japanese though it means virgin, but that's not used for shojo manga. Regardless what you might think or might have read online, there is a difference. I have been married to a Japanese woman for pretty much two decades now and she even tells me the reason why there is specifically a transcripted difference for an English translation is not to confuse a style of anime or manga aimed at young women to simply just expressing the meaning of a "young woman" or "girl" or what ever you want to identify as a female who is not mature. |
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ColourWheel said: garlicdreab said: according to wikipedia, Shoujo / Shojo are both the correct romanizations of the "少女" when it comes to the genre of anime and manga. it can also be shōjo, i guess that gets rid of some of the confusion with the two spellings? i only saw one site saying there's a difference between the two, and its written so strangely that im not sure i trust it lol. (why does one of them just not have a definition at all lol) Apparently, if you spell shojo as "処女" in Japanese though it means virgin, but that's not used for shojo manga. Regardless what you might think or might have read online, there is a difference. I have been married to a Japanese woman for pretty much two decades now and she even tells me the reason why there is specifically a transcripted difference for an English translation is not to confuse a style of anime or manga aimed at young women to simply just expressing the meaning of a "young woman" or "girl" or what ever you want to identify as a female who is not mature. Okay, but im still confused on what exactly your point is? Whichever one you say is right to describe the demographic, still a bit fuzzy on that, how does this mean there hasn't been less of it? are you saying that because there's anime with young women and girls being produced now, its wrong to say that the general demographic is going down in production? im sure there's a lot of shows that *technically* have a lot in common with the demographic but arent tagged as such, but MAL is basically the closest thing there is to a database for anime, so whats wrong with quoting it? genuinely confused |
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garlicdreab said: ColourWheel said: Regardless what you might think or might have read online, there is a difference. I have been married to a Japanese woman for pretty much two decades now and she even tells me the reason why there is specifically a transcripted difference for an English translation is not to confuse a style of anime or manga aimed at young women to simply just expressing the meaning of a "young woman" or "girl" or what ever you want to identify as a female who is not mature. Okay, but im still confused on what exactly your point is? Whichever one you say is right to describe the demographic, still a bit fuzzy on that, how does this mean there hasn't been less of it? are you saying that because there's anime with young women and girls being produced now, its wrong to say that the general demographic is going down in production? im sure there's a lot of shows that *technically* have a lot in common with the demographic but arent tagged as such, but MAL is basically the closest thing there is to a database for anime, so whats wrong with quoting it? genuinely confused Say you are on average staying the same weight every year but everyone else around you is gaining more weight. Does that mean your weight is decreasing? No, just everyone else around you is gaining more weight. This analogy is what is happening to Anime that specifically targets a female demographic. On average it's remained consisted regardless how one might feel. Going back to the word "Shoujo" and Shojo" since it's use of a noun it's simply spelled different for English translation purposes or convenience since it's basically a double entendre. |
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Fario-P said: i will keep whining and complaining and ranting about this until some producers finally realize that and wake the hell up Maybe instead of Fruits Basket and Natsume's Book of Friends, we can actually get something good. iunne said: I also feel like anime really enhances the cringy parts. Those parts can be entertaining too. |
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ColourWheel said: garlicdreab said: Okay, but im still confused on what exactly your point is? Whichever one you say is right to describe the demographic, still a bit fuzzy on that, how does this mean there hasn't been less of it? are you saying that because there's anime with young women and girls being produced now, its wrong to say that the general demographic is going down in production? im sure there's a lot of shows that *technically* have a lot in common with the demographic but arent tagged as such, but MAL is basically the closest thing there is to a database for anime, so whats wrong with quoting it? genuinely confused Say you are on average staying the same weight every year but everyone else around you is gaining more weight. Does that mean your weight is decreasing? No, just everyone else around you is gaining more weight. This analogy is what is happening to Anime that specifically targets a female demographic. On average it's remained consisted regardless how one might feel. Going back to the word "Shoujo" and Shojo" since it's use of a noun it's simply spelled different for English translation purposes or convenience since it's basically a double entendre. and yet, compare 4 shoujo shows in a season to 10.... how is that literally not less? |
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garlicdreab said: and yet, compare 4 shoujo shows in a season to 10.... how is that literally not less? You are looking at this way too narrowly. Sure on the surface you might only see 4 titles adopted from "Shojo Manga" one season but over all Anime targeting a female audience still remains consistent despite it being adopted from a light novel, manga, or original work. The way MAL has the database currently set up, they might need to re-think how they segregate Demographic tags. Because right now it's not in ones favor if they are searching for anime that is strictly targeting a female audience. |
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logopolis said: I agree with this statement so much that I honestly don't think I have anything further to say...I've been grieving the fall of shoujo anime for a long time. Around of the turn of the century, about half of all great anime was shoujo; Kodocha, Utena, KareKano, CCS, Furuba, Princess Tutu. But since then, there's just been nothing new on that sort of level. And anime has lost something from its absence, without a strong shoujo influence, storytelling standards are slipping across the board in a few aspects. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Fernehem said: sadly you and I both know that the majority of humanity are sheeple and therefore will not listenAfter seeing a series like Demon Slayer which has some of the most shitty, unoriginal and overused concepts, some amateur writers get a boner at the idea and thus, all line up one after the other and make copies after copies of such series and will pollute the anime medium with toxic waste. Like an arrangement of dominoes in which each domino falls one after the other when a single one is disturbed, such kind of stories inspire all those lazy ass "writers" across Japan that always got an F on their essays to make copies and also since any shounen instantly become the talk of the town, they will not have any problems in getting their series running for years If you want some shoujo or any anime with an original concept and decent execution, stop giving series like Demon Slayer and most modern shounen popularity ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ glamazon said: oooh yeah look see we finally listened to you kids and gave you not one, not two, but zero, ZERO new mahou shoujo anime! ah ah ah!We get one shoujo manga + one reboot of a classic show per year. sometimes even one josei anime look at how #diverse they are!!! heeelllll yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Lucifrost said: lol i sure hope so, what shoujo do you have in mind when you say that? c:Fario-P said: i will keep whining and complaining and ranting about this until some producers finally realize that and wake the hell up Maybe instead of Fruits Basket and Natsume's Book of Friends, we can actually get something good. |
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Fario-P said: Lucifrost said: lol i sure hope so, what shoujo do you have in mind when you say that? c:Maybe instead of Fruits Basket and Natsume's Book of Friends, we can actually get something good. Well like I said before, I haven't been paying attention to any recent shoujo manga. But a LOT of the older ones have bad or incomplete adaptations that I wouldn't mind seeing revisited. Kaze to Ki no Uta RG Veda Please Save My Earth Gakuen Alice Pygmalio (This anime has no English translation.) I'm also thinking of a few classics that have been rebooted already, but not recently. Sally the Witch, Akko-chan, and Vampire Miyu. Then there's that 52 episode Full Moon fan-fiction. I don't like the manga as much as you do, but I'd still watch a reboot of that or Jeanne if they ever make one. The existing Jeanne anime isn't any better than Full Moon's. |
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neco-nyan34 said: If KareKano somehow gets a reboot, I'll be satisfied. I have mixed feelings on that one. On one hand, I believe Gainax is the only reason it got so much exposure. On the other hand, I'm told the anime has no ending. |
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| Lucky for us! Situtation is probably going to change soon. Crunchyroll has finally noticed it: Crunchyroll: Shojo Anime Genre Has Strong Growth Potential https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2022-03-31/crunchyroll-shojo-anime-genre-has-strong-growth-potential/.184215 Crunchyroll held a business seminar on Tuesday aimed at Japanese businesses. Part of the presentation centered on explaining current consumer trends in the west based on the service's viewership numbers. Chief Customer Officer Asa Suehira explained that while shonen battle anime and "isekai" fantasy series continue to dominate, anime aimed at a female audience have strong growth potential. He stated that these titles tend to over-perform due to unmet demand from low supply, citing Fruits Basket as an example. "In the west, where female anime fans were underserved with relevant content historically, shojo, josei, and even some BL titles are showing stronger performances than expected," he said. Fans of idol anime shouldn't get their hopes up, however, as female-targeted idol anime were singled out as the exception to this trend. We are probably going to get soon a tons of villainess/otome game isekais. |
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Lucifrost said: neco-nyan34 said: If KareKano somehow gets a reboot, I'll be satisfied. I have mixed feelings on that one. On one hand, I believe Gainax is the only reason it got so much exposure. On the other hand, I'm told the anime has no ending. Yes the ending to Karekano anime was really awful, plus the direction was really atrocious halfway that I almost gave up on the anime and continue reading from the manga instead. |
RavenWolf1 said: We are probably going to get soon a tons of villainess/otome game isekais. I fully expect this. I'd much rather get adaptations of actual games, like Hatoful Boyfriend or something. |
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Lucifrost said: like Hatoful Boyfriend In they adapt the mode where the boys are pigeons 100% of the time it would be epic. |
ColourWheel said: Yes. You're right that there is a lot more anime being produced nowadays in general.I know you probably went way beyond the effort to try to make a point but these statistics are pretty skewed when you are not taking into account the actual inflation of Anime releases today compared to yesterday. Of course the percentage of "shojo manga" Anime titles are decreasing when an exponential amount of Anime is increasing every year. But over all broadly the amount of "shoujo" titles or titles that would likely target more of a female audience hasn't changed that much. It's just more Anime is being released these days with a broader appeal or strictly targeting a male audience instead of titles just strictly targeting a female audience. The amount of titles specifically targeting a female audience just hasn't kept up with the inflation so it just looks as if there is less being made than before. But that's also why I didn't just list numbers... I also listed percentages. Take a look again, I'll even remove most of the other numbers for you: Fario-P said:
Now, in your past posts in this thread, you have stated that "the industry has always produced more Shounen than Shoujo". I agree with you on that. You have also noted that "an exponential amount of Anime is increasing every year". This I also agree, and these seasonal pages easily prove that. But the way you typed "Shoujo Anime hasn't really decreased that much over the years. It only seems there is a lack of Shoujo because of the sheer volume of Anime being produced today compared to over a decade ago" and "the amount of 'shoujo' titles or titles that would likely target more of a female audience hasn't changed that much" makes me think your overall stance on this sub-topic is the amount of shoujo anime being made nowadays is the same amount of shoujo anime being made decades ago. If this is indeed your stance, then I must tell you that this is something I do not agree with you on, and these seasonal page stats also proves this. Yes, indeed, there were numbers as 5 or so of shoujo anime being made back then as there are today. And yes, there is indeed a large inflation of anime productions these days. But here is where these percentage numbers come in. To prove that the amount of shoujo anime being made nowadays is the same amount of shoujo anime being made decades ago, the percentage of these anime being listed as shoujo should stay relatively consistent over time—in other words, these percentages should be around the same all throughout time. And this list of (cursory, mind you) stats are CLEARLY NOT CONSISTENT! If the amount of shoujo anime made these days are indeed the same as back in the 2000s or even the 1990s, then they should still have around the same percentages in stuff like the maximum number and average/mean. But that is obviously not the case here. The highest percentage of shoujo anime made within the past 5 years (Spring 2019 with 4.58%) doesn't come anywhere near close to the highest percentage of shoujo anime from 10 to 15 years ago (Summer 2008 with 9.40%) or even from the 90s! And check out these averages! If you check the mean scores of these three specific time periods, you'll find that they are 2.76%, 5.29%, and 9.26% respectively. Do you see these huge differences in mean percentages? The mean percentage of shoujo anime from the past 5 years is just BARELY OVER half of the mean percentage of shoujo anime from the past 10-15 years!!! Yes, once again, you're right that there's a lot more anime being made now. Which means that to make up for it that there should be a lot more shoujo being produced! To make your statement of "Shoujo Anime hasn't really decreased that much over the years" true, we should have these percentages be more consistent. Once again, the mean percentage of shoujo anime from the past 10-15 years is 5.29%. So if the amount of shoujo anime being produced is the same as from that time period, that means the mean percentage of shoujo anime being made in this day and age must also be around 5.29%. Based on the total amount of anime I wrote down in the earlier version of the above stat list, the total amount of anime listed from the past 5 years on MAL is 5,251. The mean from that from the 21 seasons I listed from the past 5 years would be roughly 250. Let's take this mean number of 250 anime and do some more quick maths with it. Once again, the mean of shoujo anime from the past 5 years was 2.76%. Applying this to 250 (2.56% times 250) gives us 6.4. But how much should this mean number of shoujo anime be if the percentage of shoujo anime produced hasn't decreased from 10-15 years ago? Applying 5.29% to 250 would give us 13.225... meaning that if the amount of shoujo anime being produced hasn't changed, then the result of roughly 6 SHOULD HAVE BEEN ROUGHLY 13 instead. But it isn't. Because shoujo just doesn't get produced anymore. ...should I even go on with comparing this to 25-30 years ago? 2.56% times 250 gives us roughly 6 anime... but 9.26% (the mean percentage of shoujo anime from 25-30 years ago) times 250 should give us roughly 23 anime. Really, I don't even know if doing that would even be necessary, fruitful, or really even accurate for this post. Because reality is often disappointing. The amount of titles specifically targeting a female audience just hasn't kept up with the inflation so it just looks as if there is less being made than before. It looks like that's the case because there ARE less shoujo anime being made than before. Wake up and smell the coffee, dude. forgive me if some of this text or the math doesn't make too much sense, sorry it's late night and i need to eat so i might be too tired lol |
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Fario-P said: But here is where these percentage numbers come in. To prove that the amount of shoujo anime being made nowadays is the same amount of shoujo anime being made decades ago, the percentage of these anime being listed as shoujo should stay relatively consistent over time—in other words, these percentages should be around the same all throughout time. No, he is saying the opposite. The claim is that 5 (or so) shoujo anime have been made every year over the past 40 years. New shoujo only go unnoticed because they are drowned out by hundreds of shounen. |
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Lucifrost said: Fario-P said: But here is where these percentage numbers come in. To prove that the amount of shoujo anime being made nowadays is the same amount of shoujo anime being made decades ago, the percentage of these anime being listed as shoujo should stay relatively consistent over time—in other words, these percentages should be around the same all throughout time. No, he is saying the opposite. The claim is that 5 (or so) shoujo anime have been made every year over the past 40 years. New shoujo only go unnoticed because they are drowned out by hundreds of shounen. More over is that @Fario-P statistics are irrelevant when MAL is only tagging Anime as "Shoujo" if it's specifically adopted from "Shojo manga". If you are simply just wanting Anime that is produced to target a female audience, users would be limiting themselves if all they are looking for is that specific tag. If I was limiting myself to only looking for titles tagged with "Seinen" I would only find maybe 2 to 3 titles I would like a year. You have to remember MAL is far from being some site that acts in any sort of official capacity and the site is completely run by volunteers. Some times it takes years for Anime to be tagged correctly at all. As I have pointed out before as examples that "Ore Monogatari!!" was only tagged as a "Shoujo" title just last year even when it was released in 2015. "The Saint's Magic Power is Omnipotent" is not adopted from a "Shojo manga" so it's not tagged as a "Shoujo" even when it's obvious that it's produced to target a young female audience. As @Lucifrost has pointed out new Anime that is trying to target a female audience probably "only go unnoticed because they are drowned out by hundreds of shounen". |
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ColourWheel said: More over is that @Fario-P statistics are irrelevant when MAL is only tagging Anime as "Shoujo" if it's specifically adopted from "Shojo manga". That information is not irrelevant at all. Shounen anime are tagged the same way. As I have pointed out before as examples that "Ore Monogatari!!" was only tagged as a "Shoujo" title just last year even when it was released in 2015. Yes, there are several mistakes in the database. |
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Lucifrost said: ColourWheel said: More over is that @Fario-P statistics are irrelevant when MAL is only tagging Anime as "Shoujo" if it's specifically adopted from "Shojo manga". That information is not irrelevant at all. Shounen anime are tagged the same way. It's irrelevant when all you are wanting is Anime that is produced that targets a female audience. Does it really matter to you if an Anime is adopted from a "Shojo manga" or not? |
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| @ColourWheel Manga, novels, and games tend to feature different tropes, even when they're all aimed at the same demographic. If you're going to tell shoujo manga fans to watch something else, you might as well tell them to watch shounen; there are so many good ones these days. |
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