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Ysad_Ziwezhan said: Actually she is not mature, that's precisely her problem. She doesn't take any responsability. When a friend writes you a message, you just don't ignore him. That's what she does. When a friend ask you a direct question, you give an answer. She doesn't. When a friend ask your opinion on her playing you just don't shove the question. Yet she did (first season) If she was not stupid, she would realise that many people in the band are worrying about her. Yet she does nothing to reassure them. She says, everything ok, there won't be any problem, yet the next day she is not there and don't even try to explain her situation and what she will do and how she will do it and THAT'S a problem. Nothing's clear, she just let almost everybody except Natsuki maybe out of the loop. She is not reliable at all and her main feature is her lack of sincerity. The way she dealt with Mizore-Nozomi was the wrong one and she was also at this occasion quite arrogant toward Kumiko and talking bullshit on top of that. I'm aware she has qualities (she can be very funny, I love this aspect of her personality) and she has it hard with her mother but ask me who has the greatest personality among the senpais, it's Natsuki all the way and Asuka won't even come in fourth place. On another hand, a good story needs good "bad" characters. Asuka does it well in my opinion, so not totally complaining. She is realisitic. You made some valid points. I agree she's making a mistake by not opening up to her fellow band mates. Although I myself can relate a few things for example, i also don't open up to other people much if there is something bothering me. Also if my close friend would ask me "who plays better me or that other girl" even if i think the other girl is better i probably wouldn't be able to tell it to her face. In any case, like we said, nothings clear. We have to wait and see. I don't think this anime has any "bad" characters, just people with different personalities and preferences. Thats why it's so good. Last season Yuuko "Ribbon-chan" looked like a bad character but she just loved her senpai too much. And now i might as well say she became a waifu. |
Gurush said: I don't think this anime has any "bad" characters, just people with different personalities and preferences. Thats why it's so good. Last season Yuuko "Ribbon-chan" looked like a bad character but she just loved her senpai too much. And now i might as well say she became a waifu. You're right, "bad" wasn't maybe the appropriate word. I should have said "not so easily likeable" maybe. I do think like you, outright honesty is not always the best behavior in every situation, but the way the story presented Asuka just doesn't do her favor. Depending on your own personality you will perceive her attitude as a flaw or a quality or something that's not so bothersome. I think it's a big flaw next to good qualities. |
| Finally some character development for Kumiko's sister. :) Good episode. |
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Ysad_Ziwezhan said: Actually she is not mature, that's precisely her problem. She doesn't take any responsability. When a friend writes you a message, you just don't ignore him. That's what she does. When a friend ask you a direct question, you give an answer. She doesn't. When a friend ask your opinion on her playing you just don't shove the question. Yet she did (first season) If she was not stupid, she would realise that many people in the band are worrying about her. Yet she does nothing to reassure them. She says, everything ok, there won't be any problem, yet the next day she is not there and don't even try to explain her situation and what she will do and how she will do it and THAT'S a problem. Nothing's clear, she just let almost everybody except Natsuki maybe out of the loop. She is not reliable at all and her main feature is her lack of sincerity. The way she dealt with Mizore-Nozomi was the wrong one and she was also at this occasion quite arrogant toward Kumiko and talking bullshit on top of that. I'm aware she has qualities (she can be very funny, I love this aspect of her personality) and she has it hard with her mother but ask me who has the greatest personality among the senpais, it's Natsuki all the way and Asuka won't even come in fourth place. On another hand, a good story needs good "bad" characters. Asuka does it well in my opinion, so not totally complaining. She is realisitic. Completely agree - I love Asuka, I really do, but the way she acts really irks me. Natsuki is such an awesome person, it really showed in the audition and Nozomi arcs. |
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| Can't stop wondering why they focused on that name on the CD's back cover. Could it be, by any chance, that Asuka's father is now dead or something, but used to be a professional eupho player... And then some kind of related accident happened and that is why Asuka's mother doesn't like her daugther's dedication to music, and hopes she would focus more on studying and drop her passion. I really suck at predicting these things so obvs I'm surely far from the truth rofl Everytime I think about Asuka I feel like I'm missing something aaaaah Like Kumiko said, I can't understand her; no matter how hard I try. That's why I'm looking forward to next episode. Shuichi always knows a lot of things lol This time he heard it from his mom. In S1 there were a lot of moments like this if I recall correctly, him showing up and then telling something to Kumiko about someone else. I can't really figure out his role in Kumiko's life, maybe that's because his relationship with her is a bit awkward now more than ever since she acts so distant. I really can't criticize Mamiko because I did something similar, even if it's just a year it's impossible to endure when you truly don't feel like it. I wonder if she will go to Nagoya or not, or even if she'll reconcile with music, but I suppose it's a positive thing that she asked Kumiko for a recording. |
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kamil88 said: Funny how Asuka say she won't cause any problems, yet she keeps doing that, by not saying anything, everyone is confused and it affect their performance. Wonder if Mamiko inspired Shuuichi to play instrument too? He is seen in opening with Mamiko , when he and Kumiko were kids. I suppose Shuuichi has known Mamiko since that time, but I don't think they will show anything more. Even if it would be a way for Shuuichi to make a comeback ;) In any case he must return. :) |
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| I enjoyed Reina visiting sick Kumiko,thank you. Anyway,Mamiko is quite a b*tch...what i can't stand the most is people who vent their anger on someone completely innocent and that's what she does. Asuka also...she should stop keeping everyone in the dark so they can take proper actions smh. |
gnodab said: shanimebib said: Why do you hate Shuuichi so much I wonder. What did he do to get this treatment I don't even understand. When Kumiko 'visibly' shows no interest and avoids Shuuichi, no one bats an eye; instead everyone remains supportive to Kumiko's actions. When Shuuichi does it just once after being ignored over and over again, he gets labeled as a f*g. If the reason why Kumiko is still indifferent and irate about Shuichi even though they sort of made-up by the end of season 1 is because he still haven't apologized for calling her ugly I would probably roll my eyes in disbelief. My god lets ignore all the developments in season 1 why don't we? This also means Kumiko can hold quite a grudge holy shit. I think she hates him as much as she hates her sister. Doubledog said: Shuichi always knows a lot of things lol This time he heard it from his mom. In S1 there were a lot of moments like this if I recall correctly, him showing up and then telling something to Kumiko about someone else. I can't really figure out his role in Kumiko's life, maybe that's because his relationship with her is a bit awkward now more than ever since she acts so distant. Shuuichi has a very good network. Rumours have it he has the same motto as Hanekawa Tsubasa: "I don't know everything, I just know what I know." (何でもは知らないわよ。知ってることだけ。, Nandemo wa shiranaiwa yo. Shitteru koto dake.) What are the odds that he would know where to find Kumiko in the rain, or where to find her after she ran like her life depended on it, or where to find her when she is in a festival full of people, or where to find her when she is in a haunted house all on her own. Let's not forget when everyone was worried sick about the upcoming Kyoto competition, let alone the Kansai one, he already started thinking about performing in the Nationals. Shuuichi is the true Overlord, more like the Maou in a disguise, the Final Boss. Haha. :D Jokes aside, did anyone feel any distance between Kumiko and Reina in the following part?  If you can understand Kumiko's sudden change in behavior towards Reina in this small segment that hardly lasted few seconds, you have successfully deciphered Kumiko's personality. I enjoyed Hanada's interview so much where he branded Kumiko's character to be the easiest to understand. I loved it how the whole interview was his way to divert the attentions away from the most complex parts of the story to keep it intriguing. |
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| That sister conflict hit me hard. I loved this episode. |
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| so, Mamiko's problem is about her college, and she didn't want to continue because she wanted to chase her dream? I think that's not a bad idea, because she will enjoy her life more, but her mother said it's about 1 year left before she graduated, is it because she stressed by her thesis? hmm... and when Mamiko remember Kumiko always clinging to her when they are still kid, and wanted her to play the trombone for Kumiko, it actually make me shed a tear :'( |
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| When it comes to sibling relationships(the natural kind, not the bullshit incest stuff) in anime, it usually connects with me quite strongly. This is a well-done and realistic sibling relationship. Kumiko's adoration for Mamiko was adorable. It's a shame they became so cold to each other as they grew up, but sadly, that can happen very often. Still, things might be looking up for the two at the end, thanks to Shuuichi. Speaking of, why doesn't Shuuchi just hook up with nee-san instead of Kumiko? She seemed interested... |
shanimebib said: Jokes aside, did anyone feel any distance between Kumiko and Reina in the following part? If you can understand Kumiko's sudden change in behavior towards Reina in this small segment that hardly lasted few seconds, you have successfully deciphered Kumiko's personality. I enjoyed Hanada's interview so much where he branded Kumiko's character to be the easiest to understand. I loved it how the whole interview was his way to divert the attentions away from the most complex parts of the story to keep it intriguing. I didn't get that sort of vibe but what interested me was Kumiko scrolling through her messages with Reina on her phone while her parents and sister were arguing (The red trumpet icon gives it away) so she was clearly thinking about her. The only other interaction she had with Reina was when she was going home and declined Reina's offer to walk with her. This is a steep drop in KumiRei moments in season 2. I saw Kyoani reeling in the last of the ship bait from 2 eps ago and this seems to be done to present Kumiko a new challenge- one in which she can't rely on Reina or doesn't want to drag her in. |
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shanimebib said: Jokes aside, did anyone feel any distance between Kumiko and Reina in the following part? If you can understand Kumiko's sudden change in behavior towards Reina in this small segment that hardly lasted few seconds, you have successfully deciphered Kumiko's personality. I enjoyed Hanada's interview so much where he branded Kumiko's character to be the easiest to understand. I loved it how the whole interview was his way to divert the attentions away from the most complex parts of the story to keep it intriguing. I didn't notice that, above all, afterwards the bond between them was still obvious (and beautiful) in my opinion, but maybe Kumiko is the "Nozomi-type", able to be interested in many people, not only in one person (that seems obvious with season two)? Maybe we could do a parallel with the Nozomi-Mizore pair? Yes, indeed, there are many similarities between Nozomi-Mizore and Kumiko-Reina. @Black_wind True, she is quite tyrannical with her sister. This happens more often when people are under stress and unhappy with their lives. It's not an excuse though. That's quite a realistic depiction once again. |
Ysad_ZiwezhanNov 25, 2016 8:19 AM
unheardperson said: shanimebib said: Jokes aside, did anyone feel any distance between Kumiko and Reina in the following part? If you can understand Kumiko's sudden change in behavior towards Reina in this small segment that hardly lasted few seconds, you have successfully deciphered Kumiko's personality. I enjoyed Hanada's interview so much where he branded Kumiko's character to be the easiest to understand. I loved it how the whole interview was his way to divert the attentions away from the most complex parts of the story to keep it intriguing. I didn't get that sort of vibe but what interested me was Kumiko scrolling through her messages with Reina on her phone while her parents and sister were arguing (The red trumpet icon gives it away) so she was clearly thinking about her. The only other interaction she had with Reina was when she was going home and declined Reina's offer to walk with her. This is a steep drop in KumiRei moments in season 2. I saw Kyoani reeling in the last of the ship bait from 2 eps ago and this seems to be done to present Kumiko a new challenge- one in which she can't rely on Reina or doesn't want to drag her in. In the first season, Kumiko and Reina's relationship was the way it was because Kumiko admired Reina. She admired her ability and strength, but it didn't make for a very healthy friendship. She kept working and around the end of the season got to the point where she wanted to stand on the same ground as her. No more idol worship, they're straight up friends. That's why S1 spent so much time trying to humanize Reina. Reina has crushes too. Reina has worries too. People's opinions of her don't completely pass by Reina unfazed. Of course there was physical intimacy but japanese society has a lot of leeway with how close girls are allowed to be with each other w/o looking weird. DarcyD said: i don't really get how shuichi mattered at all in this episode except to push the plot along. i'm over the whole romance thing, it's reina x kumiko or kumiko x noone, lol Doesn't sound like someone who's over it >> Either way. Shuuichi has is own life, and Kumiko hasn't really shown an interest in him, and he's happy where he is. That doesn't change the fact that he's very attentive and cares about her. It's just like the haunted house. Can the Shuuichi hate train stop now? There's literally nothing wrong with his character. |
| Shuuichi changed the situation with only one sentence. I don't want him to be with Kumiko, but he made a good thing. Once again, the characters are well developed. Kumiko and Mamiko relation is pretty sad and very realistic. I hope their relation will become better because it's always sad to be cold with her family. |
I realized it. but never thought it had a meaning LOL |
| way to go Shuichi!! I love Mamiko-Kumiko relationship from now on! and the little Kumiko was indeed cuteee x3 |
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| It was kinda funny seeing Kumiko just sitting around in the back while her family crumbles xD I guess she couldn't have done anything about it anyway. I'm curious why Asuka invited Kumiko to her home. That felt pretty random. The whole scene was hilarious though So much drama these past two episodes >.> Can't we like go back to them just making music as a group again? |
| As always when you're really feeling an anime it can be refreshing to have an episode you're not as crazy about. Which is too bad because a lot of this episode did work for me. I don't know the back and forth on Asuka's plot has gotten kind of tired already not just in that they haven't resolved it but they haven't really done anything with it. Also I thought Mamiko's revelation at the end was a little too quick and easy. Especially since they've been teasing it the whole time in the OP. Kumiko was great as always though, especially her major interaction with Asuka and Reina visiting her while she was sick. Can't wait for the next one. |
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| The end about letting Nakagawa play makes me think that Asuka will call it quits. Remember episode 6 where Asuka said she has something to talk about with Nagakawa? that could be it. |
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| another episode, another drama, this time is family drama disappointed, since i marathon'd season 1 yesterday and really liked it 8 episode, 1 episode for music, 7 episode for drama smh |
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| Pretty great family drama episode where we get to know motivations of both sisters. I just didn't like how obviously they made Shuuichi act as catalyst of current situation saying the right words in the right time. He basically felt like plot device, nothing else. But other than that, I really liked how they dealt with the thing. It's without say that her sister took duty of following goal of their father for both of them when going to university, ultimately saving Kumiko from such pressure. I bet she will understand it pretty soon too. |
| -Chibiko was adorable -Isn't it a little late to change majors/career paths -For some reason Goto's response to Asuka showing up at band practice again was hilarious to me -Some steamy, clandestine meeting planned between Asuka and Kumiko -Hashimoto's pep talk was pretty nice -That one Kumikough right after the scene transition sounded pretty juicy -The scene between Aoi and Kumiko echoed Haruka's speech to the ensemble in the last episode, kinda -Flashback to Kumiko's first day in band class was pretty endearing -After that altercation between Kumiko and Mamiko, I think Mamiko's the first character in the show that I actually don't like -Why did they put so much effort into animating Reina taking the jacket off of the back of the chair -Shuichi's surprisingly -Yeah there's no way I'm buying the "I forgot" excuse So like, pretty much all of the Kumiko flashbacks were pretty endearing, probably because of how she seemed to always be looking up to her sister and was pretty enthusiastic about following in her sister's footsteps. It's probably because of this that I actually don't like Mamiko now that I've seen this episode. Her run-in with Shuichi seems to have brought her to her senses, and she does seem to be working on making up for lost time, but her life decisions in general and forgetting about all the times Kumiko went to her is pretty inexcusable. Not sure yet if disliking Mamiko is a good or bad thing yet, though. On the other hand, the episode had some pretty nice moments in the form of Hashimoto's pep talk and Kumiko's run-in with Aoi because of how timely they were in the context of the narrative. Pretty much no development happened with the Asuka drama, though, which was kind of a tease. Episode was okay as a whole. |
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| Another fantastic episode :) |
| Kumiko's big sister is a bitch. She stops playing the music Kumiko and Reina was listening just because she doesn't like it. I wouldn't let her do that if I was Kumiko. |
| Some good drama this episode. |
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| oh, Kumiko, her flu, and hers home problems, with her sister, that she don´t wants to study, she wants to play in the band really!!! This is the life, when you are younger, you take your way, the problem, is that decission you take when you are younger is not always that decission that you want really :( |
| Gosh, I just hate Mamiko's attitude. Yeah yeah, I know, living under the pressure is not easy etc, but she really behaves like she has the worst life in the entire world, and blames her parents for everything. Just pull yourself together and start acting like adult, not some whining kid, sheesh. |
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| nice episode, i like the story of omae chan and her sis i think itll really boost her spirits if her sister came to one of her performances i also wanna see if omae goes to asukas place |
| Currently rewatching everything. I feel like, when Kumiko always has a conversation with Aoi, they do not seem to be that friendly. Atmosphere is thick, and I can't even notice the senpai-kouhai relationship anymore. It's like Aoi is always there to give Kumiko a reality check about what she doesn't want to believe. It happens again in this episode. To me, they seem to be very distant, even if they are childhood friends. Will edit this later. |
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| I always thought Kumiko's relationship with her sister is really interesting. It's not the all-happy-sisters-are-best-friends stuff that you usually see in anime. |
| Lovely ending I must say! Looking forward to see what's next! |
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| More family drama, older sister being unreasonable |
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| I wonder what happened with Mamiko in the university. It was cute seeing Kumiko's memories of her sister. |
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| too many idiots in one show... ugh... |
| I'll fade away and classify myself as obsolete! Obsolete!! |
| How rude, clashing horns when a guest is home |
| Little Kumiko is absolutely precious, oh my god! Stark700 said: Glad to see [Asuka is] doing a lot better after her own family drama from the other episode.. She is not doing better. This is exactly what she's been doing this whole time, pretending everything's okay. Ysad_Ziwezhan said: When a friend writes you a message, you just don't ignore him. That's what she does. When a friend ask you a direct question, you give an answer. She doesn't. When a friend ask your opinion on her playing you just don't shove the question. Yet she did (first season) Great points. Though I never found her way of dealing with things ideal, I haven't considered all that. She definitely avoids responsibility and confrontation to a fault, and she uses her humor as a facade to stall and distract people from the truth. On the other hand, I think she brings more to the table beyond being funny. So far at least, she had always been there as the symbol that "everything is okay". The other members rely on her spirit, so even though she'd never been useful when there was an actual conflict, she had always provided a sense of security, and a light hearted atmosphere. Whether this atmosphere and sense of security was ultimately good or bad, is of course, questionable. She definitely needs to start facing these things head-on, stop worrying the band and start seeking help, as she clearly hasn't had any success in dealing with her mother situation. |
| We get more family drama this episode. Kumiko’s sister goes on about how she was never really given the option to do what she wanted, that she never wanted to go to college in the first place and that her parents stressed her more because she was the older sibling. I can understand that feeling but she is still unnecessarily jerky. It was also her that inspired Kumiko to play music, which was nice to know. |
| Why do they avoid romance themes? why isn't there a scene Shuichi visits Kumiko? |
| Oh, quite the drama this episode. Kumiko’s sister lashing out on her parents there plus Kumiko’s admiration of her sister followed by Asuka-senpai’s condition must really have clouded Kumiko judgements and rightly so as during that scene of her arguing. Kind of had a feeling Kumiko was inspired by her sister to Concert Bands but it was nice to have that little intro right after the Op. Young Kumiko is so very adorable though and I really liked the tone and background music of the cute backstory. Good job Shoichi to rekindle those fond memories, took the man only a couple of minutes to get that across - impressive, lol. Damn, the detail with the water in the river scene though, 🤩. I hope to see her sister in Nagoya to witness the ultimate moment in a few episodes’ time though. Anyway, Kumiko is back to form but yet another bombshell from Taki-sensei this time. Asuka-senpai’s recruitment suggests that she might be willing to open up to Kumiko but I wonder how that’s going to go. On another note, some really nice Kumiko and Reina moments this episode too, this season is really focused on getting that across it seems and I’m completely on board with it lol. |
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| Typical Asian parents, I really feel her sister since I've been through the same so I can't really agree with Kumiko saying such things to her, she literally has no clue how it feels to let go of your dreams and follow a path someone else has set for you instead. |
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| Seems like the thing with Mamiko is already a bit sorted out, so Asuka will be the main focus next episode I assume. Natsuki replacing her is just a logical decision, after all you can't count on Asuka for practice anymore. |
| Everything aside, who's Nakagawa again? Edit: Oh right, it's Natsuki, cus I don't really memorize last names |
AriekoJan 6, 2020 7:58 AM
| A lot happened here. It seems the problems with Asuka-senpai have not been solved, as I expected. It seems she has a deadline to decide, otherwise she'll be replaced by Natsuki (yay for Natsuki, but we all know she's not as good as Asuka-senpai). But Asuka-senpai really has a weird but special bond with Kumiko. I wonder why Asuka-senpai invited her to her house, seeing as it seems that no one else even in her year have been there. And they're going to be alone. Will we find out what's happening? So Mamiko never wanted to abandon music or go to college at all, but felt pressured because of her position as the elder sister. It was sad and painful to see how the relationship between the sisters changed after Mamiko stopped playing music. She used to pamper Kumiko so much, but now they're almost hostile. It seems Mamiko either didn't know or forgot that Kumiko got into wind ensemble because of her. And I didn't realise that all the discussions about who you're playing for (Mizore for Nozomi, Reina for herself, Taki-sensei conducting for his late wife) was a question that Kumiko was pondering herself. And it seems she's still playing for her sister, with the hope that one day either her sister will see her play or they'll get to play together. I hope the relationship between the sisters can be mended. Looking forward to see that. And also, although it is indeed a waste to have spent so much money for expenses and tuition, if everything she said is true then I think both sides (her and her parents) need to calm down and realise that to force Mamiko to do something that she doesn't want to and yet allowing her younger sister to do what she wants is unfair. I hope everyone gets a happy ending. And points for Shuuichi this episode for being the bridge between the sisters and telling/reminding Mamiko of why Kumiko started playing in the first place. Also, Reina visiting Kumiko was cute! P.S. little Kumiko so innocent and adoring her sister is really really adorable! Can't wait to see more. |
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| Little Kumiko is too precious, ah my heart... While I think Mamiko is partially responsible for her decision to go to college, you can't deny she also had parental pressure on her forcing her to go. I don't really get the fathers point of 'you should've told us before going to college' while literally seconds before she said she always wanted to become a beautician but her mother said no to it. |
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| Damn, I thought kumiko was going to go to asuka’s place in this episode and have a real heart to heart talk. But focusing on mumiko was strong as well. Perhaps this is a set up for the conclusion with asuka? Just looking at the title of the next episode here, I should probably sleep but I’m not about to kill this momentum |
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