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Cratex said: nDroae said: My father pretty much 'disappeared' about three years ago (though the path there was far less pleasant than Iro's 'aunt' was traveling). So, yes, my attention on the episode shifted immediately when Cocona found the makeup kit on the table for her. I wouldn't say the sequence of the scenes being different might have changed my enjoyment of the episode, so much as it just added an unexpected dimension to my thinking of the story as a whole.At the same time, I am absolutely certain that the episode would have been less enjoyable to me if the aunt's request of Iro had been shown first. I'd be interested to read others' thoughts on that. Interesting :) In my own case, although I knew the aunt had Alzheimer's from the makeup kit scene, I assumed Iro had been given no proper warning before the scene in the personal care center. I like how the revelation that she had been warned carried with it the awareness that she'd temporarily forgotten it. If the scenes had been shown in order, I would have judged her harshly because I wouldn't have guessed that she'd temporarily forgotten the warning and promise. Being diagnosed with Alzheimer's is terrifying, so seeing someone tell a child about it while wearing a brave smile for the child's benefit is very moving to me. Especially *after* seeing that the child would initially break the promise. |
| This is without a doubt the sleeper hit this season. Still flushing out my impressions of the show as far as story goes. Not a straight forward tale and needs each week to develop because unlike a lot of shows I can't think of where this is actually going or trying to achieve. Enjoyed it as always, even if this week had a couple extra doses of confusion. |
| My favorite episode so far. I've liked this anime, but haven't thought much of it other than the amazing animation and art. Plus the fun two main characters and cool battles. This was definitely a good episode. I liked how dim and bright colors was used this episode, and it was very feelsy and heartwarming :) |
| Well, that was one good episode. Some force emotional, but oh well. What was really special is : -This Iro's past was in Japan. But before that, all place in the anime, even the real world, were all fiction. Why is the past of Iro is in Japan ? Is the normal world of Flip Flappers, where Cocona sleeps and goes to school, is a Pure Illusion as Well ? - Why do the scene with Iro's parents is in orange ? The orange was showing the tenderness and love. But this scene is nothing like these. Is this supposed to mean that the parents of Iro were nice with her, but she saw them like distant ? She creat her own blue. - Seems legit that Cocona is Ego, Papika is Id and Yayaka is Super Ego. It's also intersting to see the sister/brother like the rules (moral and law) that make Super Ego trying to protect Ego. What if all this anime is really pure fiction ? Like, these jewels are to give he possibility to one person to accept or change his own way of seeing the reality. If we take again the Umwelt, well, this anime seems to show that the Umwelt of human is note the reality, but the fiction/imagination. |
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| Still a little confused but that was so good....is all I can really say. XD the shippers are gonna cry so hard if Papi and Coco are split personalities of one girl lol nDroae said: ]In my own case, although I knew the aunt had Alzheimer's from the makeup kit scene I DID TOO!! My mum works with elderly folk that suffer from this so yep, I called it. :( |
ChiibiNov 10, 2016 8:36 PM
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| very good ep. Also a good horror ending right there. If they change her memory, that's still fine. If that gate actually alter her past, that's some horror shit right there. Judging by that tunnel they went through, they probably changed her past as well. |
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| Yeah alright, well I cried tbh |
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 So that's what the Episode is about. I'm kinda late to realize it until the Auntie said the name. A bit doubt about the name, and then remember about the nail polish present. So it really is about their senpai, Iroha |
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| Great episode! I think what I like best about this series so far is the consistency of its style combined with the individuality of each episode. We had a bunny episode, a horror episode, now this... whatever you call it, time-bending, personality-switching episode. It's pretty cool. |
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Cratex said: Rin: Wait! How can you all of a sudden just fly? Magical Ruby: You're amazing, Miss Illya! Flying is so advanced, yet you're doing it easily! Illya: It's not really that amazing, is it? Magical Sapphire: Simply elevating requires very strong visualization. How are you...? Illya: Um, are you really asking me? Magical Girls are supposed to fly, right? --Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya, episode 4 Not sure why you are linking that. And you DO realize that the WHY was explained literally episode or two after? |
AhenshihaelNov 10, 2016 10:11 PM
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| The battle in the beginning was great. It was so colorful. Other half was so sad :( Iroha's past was very touching. |
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| whoa iroha's past is sad .. to be honest I am a little confused in the first bcoz it's cocona and papika who's playing the role of iroha, I did not think that, that's iroha's memories but demn it was sad that I almost cry .. |
Sumeragi_YuitoNov 10, 2016 10:45 PM
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Morpice said: whoa iroha's past is sad .. to be honest I am a little confused in the first bcoz it's cocona and papika who's playing the role of iroha, I did not think that, that's iroha's memories but demn it was sad that I almost cry .. I think the episode's goal was to make us understand that, even if we are gay, lesbian or bisixual it's still you. It was aimed at the ones who didn't who they really are, and confused about their sexual identity, but it's just you "Iro is Iro" I mean, the drawing is another hint. Her drawings are particular because she is different, a not everyone like it |
XenocrisiNov 10, 2016 10:58 PM
| Watching the heroines visiting someone else's "world" was a surprise. Now, I suppose we will soon get Yayaka's version. I wonder why the gate was judged dangerous (by the robot and Yayaka¨) 5/5 About the "auntie": I believed that "big brother/sister" and uncle/aunt were equivalents of Mr/Mrs and (young)man/woman (used accoording to the age). Since when is it literally translated ? |
Rei_IIINov 11, 2016 12:38 AM
| Another anime where alzheimer is mencioned? I think it s the only disease that the victims suffers less than their important persons |
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nDroae said: This is what I experienced as far as memory loss or disorientation, so I'm not too sure why Cocona-Iro predictably running away after not being recognized is revelatory. It connects with something at the heart of the narrative. We differ in that I would find knowing about more moving because people can understand pure emotion overwhelming a sense of judgment, are aware of and had the emotional immaturity of a kid, accentuates the effect and basically gives the scene an additional dimension without being too heavy handed while also keeping the notion of just plain forgetting it. In my own case, although I knew the aunt had Alzheimer's from the makeup kit scene, The lady was associated with acceptance and happiness in contrast to a perceived unwantedness and coldness in her home life to the point of not wanting to go bacm. Why judge such a kid so harshly here? What about the potential sympathy built by previous scenes and empathy? Saying that, it opens another side of the conflict as it's happening rather than as a remembrance of forewarning that comes across as an easy psychological fix. Well, whatever, starting to sound like harping. 15poundfish said: If you interpret it like that, it speaks a little about the goals of "world domination" and liberating PI. Wouldn't it be different since Iroha essentially blamed herself, took responsibility, and in that way was able to move past previous feelings? Doesn't that conflict with denial?I don't think that is closure for Iroha because its basically denial of what actually happened in her past. Its closure to the viewer, which is why I call it fan service. |
| This episode was kinda confusing at first, but the ending made things a little more clear. Episode was full of quality and feels, though.... |
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| Another magical episode. 10/10 |
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| @Ajunkie I mean, when she's directly addressed to. (argh, it might not be english... "when someone talks to her") I actually noticed it in many official subtitles those last years, like it was some sort of new trend (the other way was the most common one used among my 2000s DVD series) @Ajunky I'm like you most of the time, unless it's supposed to be a talk between non-japanese people. ^^ @rsc-pl It is larger than that in Japan: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1565879&show=0#msg48530366 |
Rei_IIINov 11, 2016 1:11 PM
| Wow. This anime won't stop amaze me. It's getting better and better. About the 'auntie'. Is it a way that American children are addressing to older people which they know (much older friends of their parents etc)? I don't know how it works in USA, but If they don't, then we have a huge tl error here. But if they are, then I would still prefer untranslated version, because it's much more clear, but in this case auntie would be perfectly fine. @Ajunky, @Rei366 hmm? :> In Poland it works in that way actually, kids are often calling 'aunt' and 'uncle' people which are not really their family, but they are 'connected' in some way with their family. Edit @Rei366 Actually I know how it works in Japan, but I don't know how it works in USA, and official subs are usually intended for USA market. If situation is identical or very similar, then using 'auntie' instead Mrs. is perfectly fine (and generally way better than Mrs) in this case. The only difference is that Japanese kids are using it for calling in that way complete strangers too, but we don't know how this 'pure illusion' worked, that older woman could be a friend of her family. Their memories were clearly altered in this world, so I would argue that using 'Mrs' would be better. The best option would be using untranslated word, because the meaning is clear for almost everyone. |
rsc-plNov 11, 2016 1:31 PM
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
| [quote=Chiibi message=48526489]Still a little confused but that was so good....is all I can really say. XD the shippers are gonna cry so hard if Papi and Coco are split personalities of one girl lol this still could be possible no? Also, **** alzheimers. Like such a terrible disease. One of the worst in my opinion. This episode really hit home. So many feels :'( |
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| I really enjoyed this episode of Flip Flappers. I do like how in this episode was going into Iro's POV and seeing how she loved being with her Auntie as she drew those wonderful pictures of hers. But at the same time, she also had issues with her parents that showed the other side of how things aren't always what they seem to be. I do know that Cocona and Papika can enter into someone's dream like for instance from episode 2 about Ueskill. So that would mean it's very possible that they can enter into Pure Illusion which the two can invert themselves from one to the other like with Papika being golden and Cocona as blue representing different emotional states of mind. I almost cried about Iro's aunt about how she didn't know her and that was really sad. Anyway, Cocona and Papika were able to save her but I think she developed Alzheimer's which is really painful to watch someone close to you suffers from such a terrible disease. Well, so far, I'm really liking Flip Flappers very much and we've yet to see the major conflict at some point. I'm looking forward to watching more! |
Fai said: You're reading far to much into my post (and I am very aware of what Illya is). My only intent was in response to your comment as to why Yayaka couldn't transform - and it immediately reminded me of the contrast between Illya and Miyu regarding flying - to Miyu it was obvious that people can't fly, were as to Illya it wasn't even a matter of thought - it just was something she did, as natural as breathing. (I thought it meshed well with your comment. Sorry if I caused an issue.)Not sure why you are linking that. And you DO realize that the WHY was explained literally episode or two after? |
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| Ok, so I'm pretty sure this theory is wrong, but I want to throw it out there just because so many people are making positive connections with Papika and Cocona going into Iroha's past/memories. But that eerie door really makes me think that messing around with people's pasts is not a good thing. What do you think about the possibility that Papika and Cocona actually 'erased' that part of Iroha's past, or at least that part of her memories? Since at the end she paints her nails again like it's no longer a big deal... of course, she could have reconciled the memories to herself (possibly with Papika & Cocona's help). But maybe it's possible that they actually lived those memories for her, or they took them on... and now Iroha no longer has them as a part of herself? Thoughts? |
| I absolutely loved Episode 6! It is my favorite so far (but Episode 5 was pretty close too). The writing in this episode was amazing. I did an analysis of this episode and explained who the two different "Iros" were. It's on my blog if anyone wants to check it out. https://raianimeblog.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/who-was-iro-in-flip-flappers-episode-6-an-analysis-and-explanation/ |
It's true, I do judge kids harshly. Well, this was one of the more thought-provoking conversations I've had in a while. :D Chiibi said: nDroae said: ]In my own case, although I knew the aunt had Alzheimer's from the makeup kit scene I DID TOO!! My mum works with elderly folk that suffer from this so yep, I called it. :( Mine does too. :) Apparently Alzheimer's is increasingly common in the aging Baby Boomer generation, so there's a surging need for caregivers. Nightwish's Imaginaerum movie is another fantasy take on it, set largely in the dream worlds of a dying man's mind, where he's a child. It's not a great film, but I think it's worth a watch. Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tn_ZgUmUTU I guess my favorite ending would still be The Notebook, but stories about Alzheimer's are always more bitter than sweet unless they end in an afterlife. |
| why does that shady glasses dude always act so high and mighty |
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| Potential anime of the year imo. |
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| Imagine watching the entire episode without realizing or identifying who Iro was. .. I mean for the entire episode I was not aware or remembered that the Painter's name was Iro I just went on with the episode...only at the end when she showed her nail's being polished I was able to understand this episode to my full potential the satisfaction was like what the monks say..Approaching Nirvana! |
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| lol, i thought that was cocona's auntie. now i'm suspecting Iroha. who the hell is she ? why her memories appeared in that place. im so fucking curious that it gave me chills m8. this episode is one of my favorite. there was no battle but the story was really great imo. looking foward to the next episode. Janeel said: Imagine watching the entire episode without realizing or identifying who Iro was. I mean for the entire episode I was not aware or remembered that the Painter's name was Iro I just went on with the episode...only at the end when she showed her nail's being polished I was able to understand this episode to my full potential the satisfaction was like what the monks say..Approaching Nirvana! agreed. i completely don't know who's the painter name too. clearly i thought that was cocona's auntie and that was her flashback. but wtf that was actually iroha's past and damn that was a pretty god damn big of a plot twist. |
YizelTroNov 13, 2016 2:42 AM
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Tevens said: lol, i thought that was cocona's auntie. now i'm suspecting Iroha. who the hell is she ? why her memories appeared in that place. im so fucking curious that it gave me chills m8. this episode is one of my favorite. there was no battle but the story was really great imo. looking foward to the next episode. agreed. i completely don't know who's the painter name too. clearly i thought that was cocona's auntie and that was her flashback. but wtf that was actually iroha's past and damn that was a pretty god damn big of a plot twist. hehe...I also went on thinking the old lady as coco's present aunt...the misleading was great indeed..or may b i was not well prepared before watching the episode. Even though it happened earlier too from other shows but actually never cared to remember all the character names along with their faces... |
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| A bit of information for people interested in the creative minds behind their fictions: Honeyfeed said: Flip Flappers Scriptwriter Leaves After 6 Episodes |
| This episode was pretty baller tbh. It took me a while to figure out what was going on but I was really floored by the conclusion. Lots of art and painting-related symbolism too that I really appreciated. More of this please! Rei366 said: That's pretty bad news, not gonna lie. She did a tremendous job on this week's episode and I'm not sure anyone other than herself could top it. I really hope whoever takes her place will be careful not to stray too far from the main thematics of the show and maintain the subtlety that makes each episode so enjoyable and rewatchable.A bit of information for people interested in the creative minds behind their fictions: Honeyfeed said: Flip Flappers Scriptwriter Leaves After 6 Episodes |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
Rei366 said: A bit of information for people interested in the creative minds behind their fictions: Honeyfeed said: Flip Flappers Scriptwriter Leaves After 6 Episodes That is the only page I could find this news. Is it trustworthy? According to animenewsnetwork and MAL she does series composition (and script for ep 1-3). After some searching I found, what I believe is the original, mentioned tweet. Unfortunately I don't understand anything and google translate isn't very good. https://twitter.com/unicococ/status/797071053650468864 Maybe there is someone here, who can confirm/translate? I hope this is just a misinterpretation or something like that. |
slomo said: There's a link to the source at the end of the article, it's on Yaraon: http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/94973 . The tweet in question is even cited there.That is the only page I could find this news. Is it trustworthy? According to animenewsnetwork and MAL she does series composition (and script for ep 1-3). After some searching I found, what I believe is the original, mentioned tweet. Unfortunately I don't understand anything and google translate isn't very good. https://twitter.com/unicococ/status/797071053650468864 Maybe there is someone here, who can confirm/translate? I hope this is just a misinterpretation or something like that. I can confirm the tweet was accurately interpreted. She says that as the staff for episode 7 was about to be revealed to the public, she used the occasion to tweet about the end of her involvement with FliFla starting from episode 6. She was able to watch over the finalisation of the manuscript for this episode, but she really doesn't know how things will turn out from episode 7 onwards. She will nonetheless continue to enjoy the show as a viewer. |
SapewlothNov 15, 2016 1:15 PM
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Interesting to hear the writer has left the project. A shame but I suppose ideally any new writer(s) will still have the series story outline to continue working off of from here on out, barring any rewrites that may happen in the course of scripting. |
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| wow this was a good episode, i'm impressed. i didn't remember the painter's name in the beginning so i only realized it's her in the end, but it was impactful nontheless~ |
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| I'll have you know I only cried three separate times this episode. |
| My god this was an amazing episode. I loved how Cocona and Papika both played the part of Iro. |
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| Brilliant episode. And again, this show does such a good job of not spelling things out for the audience; instead, it lets you figure out things for yourself. Cool theories in this thread, too. Iroha's family life as a child hit a little too close to home. I'm glad she had a wonderful person like Auntie in her life. Sad what happened to Auntie in the end, though. :( |
| I'm a bit confused on what happened this episode...I'll try reading comments of posted here to get an idea...hahah! This show is literally simple if you just watch it but it also has a deeper symbolism meaning inside. (simple yet complex) So Pure Illusion reaches to the subconscious of someone particularly to Iroha. But we've yet to see the main conflict of this show. 4/5. |
matias067Nov 16, 2016 9:30 PM
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| I can's really think of much to comment here... This episode was nice and self-contained, as well as self-explanatory. |
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| I absolutely loved this episode. Best one yet. Perfect mix of fun absurd action, and emotional beats. I am also totally buying into the idea that Pure Illusion is the world of people's dreams, and that gate took them from dreams to memories. Basically, Pure Illusion really is the subconscious of people. This and Yuri On Ice are my fave shows of the season. |
| Interesting episode, but I'm a sucker for mind-games like this. Touching story, with a wonderful painted-nails ending. |
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