| Or that series are much better than movies? Maybe it's just me, but I find two hours to be plenty. I'm watching Summer Wars right now. It's okay. I don't know why I would want this to be longer than it already is. Do I really need to see more of these bland characters in a longer story with more unimportant stuff spaced out? |
| I guess it's about time being important in making you relate with characters.... For some people, that's pretty important. |
| Usually it depends, but if there's a good amount of material to cover, the TV series is often better. In my opinion, the Clannad movie and Fate:UBW movie doesn't compare to the TV counterparts because the movies felt too rushed to try and fit all the vital information. Though those might not be good examples since movies vs TV series were handled by different studios |
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| I think it is that they are wrong about series' being objectively better, but that it is actually just their preference. Anime movies and series are two different ball games, as far as I'm concerned. Of course it is impossible to fit the character development in a movie that you can in even a 12-episode anime, but there are qualities of movies that compensate for this. You can still create characters that are relatable and have depth. The trade-off, to me, seems to be that movies are, firstly, more time efficient. Secondly, a movie can be weighed more SOLELY for its value as an abstract art piece. While this isn't to say that movies aren't judged for the details of character and plot development, I think that they are judged in a different way from how a series would be. A lot more can happen in less time in a movie, for example. In a show, however, this may be perceived as moving TOO quickly. I personally enjoy both movies and shows for what they have to offer, but for anyone to claim that either is objectively superior is silly. They are simply different. |
| That's stupid. Most movies are 90-120 mins. long. That's already the equivalent of an arc or two of an anime. Who says they're too short to tell a great story? |
| It is not to get a "longer" story or the story elongated but because those people are the same ones who will crucify anything, series included, for its lack of so-called "character development". They were never after a story (made of facts, actions and events) but either: - after a way to observe a character's behavior, and changes in behaviour (through interactions among other things), what is supposedly mandatory to a fiction and impossible for a film to achieve, - and/or after characters that will seduce them (an approach on a long term) or "talk" to them (and this is easier when you can observe this character's live in a regular way). I'm writing based on people commentaries you can found on this website. (I never heard about those supposed problems before coming here on the Internet) And based on such uninformed reactions, you don't wonder anymore how they can lack cinematographic art culture. MechKingKillbot said: Usually it depends, but if there's a good amount of material to cover, the TV series is often better. But this is talking about adaptations while the asker gave the example of Summer Wars. PS: God answering to Ezekiel. ^^ edit @Darek You might want the original show first if you're easily impressionable. To watch the movie before engaging the story will only help you to notice the often less than average visual aspect of the TV series, the few poor designs, etc. On the other hand, the film is an excellent stand-alone movie. And watching it after the series, while noticing everything that was made better, you might suffer from the " @CodeBlazeFate " syndrom who pushes you to find the supporting cast or some sub-intrigues of the series underdevelopped/absent (something normally perfectly fine for a movie, since this is no choir story but a 3 characters fiction with a scifi background). Officially, the movie is in-universe some romanticized historical film made years after the TV series incidents to tell the story to the people. |
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| Again that's depend. There somekind of story that will properly told/covered in long scenery rather than condensed into into 2 hours movie and so did there story with not much material , effectively I suppose is made into movie one - but again it how them creatively take the material, like oshii did with GiTS. But really this series watcher u said, I never really meet ppl with that kind of committed opinion. |
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| A movie isn't too short to tell a great story. But it's too short that they can't afford to fumble around with bullshits. It's when they drag around their feet, try to cram as many storylines as possible, or pull the rag under your feet halfway through the runtime that it gets messy. Keep the KISS principle in mind. Take a point, take a stance, take a story and structure the entire film around effectively getting that across. And yes, character development is practically core to effective storytelling. Plenty of movies out there that had character development even with the runtime limitation. |
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| There's no problem at all with anime original movies. In fact, in some aspects they might be better than anime original series. Movies used as a adaptions doesn't work quite as well, though, since unless the source is short the movie won't be long enough to adapt it. |
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| Because those plebs haven't seen "Macross: Do You Remember Love?". |
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| but moom you dont get it it's about spending time with the characters |
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| I never hear anyone said movie can't tell great story because it's short. |
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| Kokoro ga Sakebitagatterunda is an example for me. I think it should have been fleshed out more and that it should have been a series instead of just a movie. |
| If it's like 1hr 30min, then I yeah I agree. I just don't think that's enough time to convey a story with zero loose ends. 2hrs tends to get the job done most of the time. |
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| It is true when the story demands time. In a movie, a lot of cuts are clearly cut to shorten the movie, and you don't get many long drawn out scenes of the small stuff; which makes a tv series special in a way. But in a lot of cases this is false, and there is more than enough time to do a story justice. |
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| As some have said, it's not that they're too short to tell a story, it's they they're too short (for me at least) to become significantly and emotionally invested in the characters. So many times I've noticed just how thinly developed characters are in anime films. Just to pick the sacred cow, Your Name, while a pretty good and entertaining movie, never develops its characters past one being a really stereotypical boy and one being a really stereotypical girl. It's hard for me to get invested in big dramatic moments--as well executed as they may be--when the extent of a character's depth is so shallow. And that's not to suggest that every series succeeds just by default for being longer. Tons have shitty characters and fail at inspiring emotion. But I will ALWAYS get more out of a good series than a good movie. |
Darek said: Both have ups and downs but probably the movie first. It's not even a recap, it's alternate timeline hit it does represent the franchise well.That HEAVILY depends on the story, personally I prefer series to movies since that allows me to relate and stay with the characters I like a little more. But you can definitely make good use of this amount of time. CodeBlazeFate said: Because those plebs haven't seen "Macross: Do You Remember Love?". Should I watch Macross or Macross: Do you remember love? first? |
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Ezekiel said: Why do series watchers keep saying a movie is too short to tell a great story? Or that series are much better than movies? Maybe it's just me, but I find two hours to be plenty. I'm watching Summer Wars right now. It's okay. I don't know why I would want this to be longer than it already is. Do I really need to see more of these bland characters in a longer story with more unimportant stuff spaced out? I think you're missing the subtle point... it's not that a movie is too short to tell a great story, it's that a movie is too short to tell the story of their favorite series and be great. As you know, most anime are an adaptation of a source, and many times you hear from people that have read/played the source that the adaptation left out too much. A 1 cour show gives you about 3.5 hours of content not including OP/ED. If 3.5 hours isn't enough to tell a "great story" for these people, then an anime movie lasting 45 mins - 2 hours certainly won't. |
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Older_than_dirt said: I think you're missing the subtle point... it's not that a movie is too short to tell a great story, it's that a movie is too short to tell the story of their favorite series and be great. Exactly. A long-running manga or anime series might get a movie, but people will always feel like it's too short. And they're probably right. For those stories, which are already written as long-form entertainment, a 90-120 minute film is not enough. However, good stories can be told through film. In fact, I feel like the best stories are told through film... it's just that it has to be created with that length in mind, and it has to play to the strengths of the shorter duration. This typically doesn't happen with adaptations, but especially not with adaptations of longer works. |
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LoneWolf said: I've watched many movies that I considered better than series. Movies also have bigger budgets and more production time than series. Budget size and production time play just a small role, when you're talking about being able to tell a great story within the length of a typical movie. Deciding what details to include vs what to leave out is what makes the biggest difference. Budget and production time may allow for much better animation, which can increase the over-all greatness, but if the story content is crap then you'll just have pretty looking crap. If the story content is amazing, you could make an amazing movie with just slide-show animation, or stick figures. Many great movies have been made over the years, and all the highly successful ones apparently made good choices for what story details to include. |
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| I dunno... Why don't you ask them? In some ways, I wouldn't waste my time on that, the only movies I really like are DC Movies.. |
Zelev said: Loose ends? That depends on how many story threads you write into the 90 minutes. A movie also doesn't have to explain everything. If it's like 1hr 30min, then I yeah I agree. I just don't think that's enough time to convey a story with zero loose ends. 2hrs tends to get the job done most of the time. Plenty of great movies are that short. |
EzekielMar 26, 2017 9:39 AM
| I agree and disagree at the same time on this. Yes, there are obvious movies that can outshine a lot of TV series, but there are those that just cannot make it work in a tightly compressed lot of time. Full TV series can run (if they are 12 or 13 episodes) between 4 to 5 hours long, whereas movies rarely go over 2 hours long. So the difference is pretty clear and understandable, but as I said before, some can make it work quite well. |
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| Seeing so many bad recap movies and rushed movie-format adaptations kinda gives the impression that a movie is not enough to tell a good story, though the truth it that everything depends on what the movie is trying to do and/or how much material it covers. |
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| It kind of is, since movies have to keep it short and sweet. Any more and they run the risk of rushing the story, development, etc.. which will ruin the movie. A series, on the other hand, can take the time to flesh out things a bit more, allowing for better developed stories and characters. Then again, there are some stories that just aren't long, making them unfit for series and better fit to a movie. |
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| Because most characters in a movie don't get enough screen time to really make them memorable. Some movies do it great though... |
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Ezekiel said: Zelev said: Loose ends? That depends on how many story threads you write into the 90 minutes. A movie also doesn't have to explain everything. If it's like 1hr 30min, then I yeah I agree. I just don't think that's enough time to convey a story with zero loose ends. 2hrs tends to get the job done most of the time. Plenty of great movies are that short. Not really. If a story has no loose ends in 1hr 30min, then it probably just wasn't that good/elaborate of a story to begin with. |
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| Personally I agree, though some movies did just fine... But I think have multiple movies is great so the story can progress slower... I think also the fact that most anime movies are around 1 hour to 1.5 hours ... So that's not much time... |
| Is this that common of a statement? Most of what I've seen is people saying that some films just felt short and that they needed a bit more. Like for example Marvel movies having really bad villiains that could be interesting with a bit more of development, but this is an argument I see even in people who watch a lot of films too, so... yeah. It's not a criticism I see that much. |
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MohitVermillion said: Yes. I don't have any quotes for you, though. Is this that common of a statement? Because I have too much time on my hands, I counted up all the favorites of the users in this thread. I didn't count really short OVAs. There are approximately 241 series and 30 movies. The numbers kind of speak for themselves. Zelev said: Elaborate and complicated doesn't equal good. Someone here mentioned the KISS principle. There's truth to it.Ezekiel said: Loose ends? That depends on how many story threads you write into the 90 minutes. A movie also doesn't have to explain everything. Plenty of great movies are that short. Not really. If a story has no loose ends in 1hr 30min, then it probably just wasn't that good/elaborate of a story to begin with. |
| how big the story try to tell is far more more deciding factor then the length it self... |
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Ezekiel said: MohitVermillion said: Yes. I don't have any quotes for you, though. Is this that common of a statement? Because I have too much time on my hands, I counted up all the favorites of the users in this thread. I didn't count really short OVAs. There are approximately 241 series and 30 movies. The numbers kind of speak for themselves. Zelev said: Elaborate and complicated doesn't equal good. Someone here mentioned the KISS principle. There's truth to it.Not really. If a story has no loose ends in 1hr 30min, then it probably just wasn't that good/elaborate of a story to begin with. A simple story =/= good writing. It's just that... simple. |
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| Cause everyone wants more than two hours of story. It's true though. |
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| There's a very common misconception that more is really more. There's more said about a character in some rather short scenes of film than an entire series, in some cases. |
| It's possible to become more emotionally attached to the characters of the story |
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| @Darek Yes. It is visually/graphically not only because it is a movie, it looks better than at least half the japanese animations you have seen until now, all time periods considered. So for people who are too sensible to that, the series (who looks average and at times rather bad and failed at porting the chara-designer's style over the screen) will be 36 "ugly" episodes. (note: I like the TV show) As for the side plots, I didn't feel any loss in the movie. The supporting cast might be "underdeveloped" but in fact, they do their job as side characters of a movie. It will seem not enough only for someone expecting from the movie what the series gives: other things to watch/follow than the foundation triangle. |
Rei_IIIMar 26, 2017 11:55 PM
| You can narrate a full character arc in one minute if you want: So it's not a matter of time. The style of narration in movies and serialized formats is quite different, so unless they are adapting the same original source it's difficult to compare them and reach a conclusion. But both are perfectly standalone, and both can handle the right amount of info to make characters and situations memorable. |
| It's because some parts of the Material are missing on the Movies. I'm not saying i hate Movies but i don't want an Anime to end within 2 hours. So i prefer watching Series. |
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| Do people here watch things only for the characters or what? Am I missing something, because, as far my knowledge about cinema goes, characters are not the only ones that create the story, world building in itself can be a character, some inanimate object can be a character (Death Star, Herbie, Eye of Sauron et al.), directing, lighting, color palette and so forth. In my opinion, I think movies most of the time are far better than a show, as it doesn't have to deal with plot complications that show, much bigger budget, much longer process to create, better actors, directors and scriptwriters. On top of this, what an anime movie can do in one scene to develop a character, a tv show would take one episode or more. Movies can also explore themes or give social commentary more often than tv shows do and hold much higher artistic value than their serialized counterparts. However, I do also think that some shows can have the same quality, sometimes even better than that of a movie, if we are to compare the best of the best. |
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| The problem I see with this argument of memorable characters is that you don't need that much to have one, and you can tell a full story in a very little amount of time. I mentioned A gathering of cats before which I personally find to be a brilliant piece of narrative economy that keeps everything short and essential and still manages to give the audience a reasonably detailed view of the MCs routine, personality and goals (and how each affects the others). You can make memorable characters in a movie, you just need to know how to narrate and put in context. Sometimes you only need a scene to make a character that people will remember for decades (I'm thinking about the replicant's monologue of Blade Runner), sometimes just a catchphrase. But if the problem is development, Hitchcock is often praised for narrating everything that is necessary to our knowledge about the background, context, setting and psychology of the main character in Rear window, in just a single, two-minute, silent introductory scene. |
| It might be just my own preferences, for me whenever i watched movies, i always felt that it was kinda rush. Compared to some series where the story goes slow paced or stuff like that. |
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ouriel said: Do people here watch things only for the characters or what? Am I missing something, because, as far my knowledge about cinema goes, characters are not the only ones that create the story, world building in itself can be a character, some inanimate object can be a character (Death Star, Herbie, Eye of Sauron et al.), directing, lighting, color palette and so forth. In my opinion, I think movies most of the time are far better than a show, as it doesn't have to deal with plot complications that show, much bigger budget, much longer process to create, better actors, directors and scriptwriters. On top of this, what an anime movie can do in one scene to develop a character, a tv show would take one episode or more. Movies can also explore themes or give social commentary more often than tv shows do and hold much higher artistic value than their serialized counterparts. However, I do also think that some shows can have the same quality, sometimes even better than that of a movie, if we are to compare the best of the best. World building doesn't create story at all. You can have this awesome world, but unless the Death Star has people doing something with it it's pointless. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: ouriel said: Do people here watch things only for the characters or what? Am I missing something, because, as far my knowledge about cinema goes, characters are not the only ones that create the story, world building in itself can be a character, some inanimate object can be a character (Death Star, Herbie, Eye of Sauron et al.), directing, lighting, color palette and so forth. In my opinion, I think movies most of the time are far better than a show, as it doesn't have to deal with plot complications that show, much bigger budget, much longer process to create, better actors, directors and scriptwriters. On top of this, what an anime movie can do in one scene to develop a character, a tv show would take one episode or more. Movies can also explore themes or give social commentary more often than tv shows do and hold much higher artistic value than their serialized counterparts. However, I do also think that some shows can have the same quality, sometimes even better than that of a movie, if we are to compare the best of the best. World building doesn't create story at all. You can have this awesome world, but unless the Death Star has people doing something with it it's pointless. This is where Tolkien disagrees with you, as historicity in a world is a story about the world itself, the cultures, the people living, the places, all those tell a story, through excerpts that reveal information about the world and etc. What I also said, is that the world itself can be a character, i.e., Baltimore City from the Wire is a character itself, Kino's Journey places are characters themselves, Mass Effects' Normandy and Dead Spaces' Ishimura are both characters and all of these have symbolical meaning to them. Certain lighting techniques, directing techniques are also used to deliver a story or character development, as well as set the mood. |
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