| "When asked what [Yoshiyuki Tomino] thought of Kyoto Animation and Shinkai anime, he said, "I see them as my rivals. From my generation's perspective, you don't have to go out of your way to make an anime that feels like an introspective novel ('I novel')." He then went on to describe Shinkai's works as "stories about a boy and a girl who are always stretching out their hands towards each other," and said, "And yet the boy's hand never reaches the girl's crotch." Now Tomino is probably fucking around when he said it, but let's suppose he's serious. Is his critiques about KyoAni and Shinkai substantial? Is Japan's purity laws hurting anime? Is Tomino's still salty that nobody liked Gundam Reconguista in G? Watcha think. Source: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-10-31/gundam-creator-yoshiyuki-tomino-criticizes-makoto-shinkai-works-for-lack-of-sexual-intimacy/.152531 |
| Good God, I really hope he's just trolling. Is Japan's purity laws hurting anime? No. Their purity laws about idols are hurting the idols...but anime should remain chaste. |
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| The Chad Tomino and the virgin Kyotoani and Shinkai |
| related discussion https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1808995 and i agree with some users there on that related thread when they say at least LET THEM KISS if they cannot LET THEM FUCK |
| Sounds legit to me. In fact I suggest we start inserting sexual intimacy into every single anime from now on effective immediately, regardless of genre or the intended demographic. |
Setsuei said: Sounds legit to me. In fact I suggest we start inserting sexual intimacy into every single anime from now on effective immediately, regardless of genre or the intended demographic. There should be no age restrictions on viewing sexual content. |
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IpreferEcchi said: Setsuei said: Sounds legit to me. In fact I suggest we start inserting sexual intimacy into every single anime from now on effective immediately, regardless of genre or the intended demographic. There should be no age restrictions on viewing sexual content. Right? I've never understood why so many people view sexual content as worse than violence. |
| What do you expect from Shinkai Makoto when he publicly admits how Kyoto Animation is capable of creating anime that can never be replicated? Both are really disgrace in the industry. We need more initimacy in anime. |
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| I honestly thought Tomino was high again when I read the article. Memes aside, I dunno anything about his newest projects and maybe it's just me since I recently finished Araburu but I somewhat agree with him that anime can express more mature themes though his slights towards Shinkai and Kyoani are strange. Not unwarranted, just strange. |
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| im dying of laughter holy shit he has a point |
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| Tomino is cut from a completely different cloth and generation of creators. It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't care for Shinkai and KyoAni's modern methods and outlook. That said, their works are largely family friendly and simple, so I'm not sure what he's expecting. Whenever Tomino criticizes others within the medium, all I can think of is the fact that he created, directed, wrote, and storyboarded Garzey's Wing. |
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| Well, KyoAni and Shinkai do have a lot of flaws in their shows and there are many people who dislike them (rightfully btw). But blaming them for the lack of sexuality is a nonsense. Probably gramps forgot to take his pills |
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| Mr. Tomino is based. Also probably slightly salty because voices of a distant star includes a macross reference. |
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Is his critiques about KyoAni and Shinkai substantial? Yes, kinda and I think it connects with Miyazaki's point from which was born the meme "anime was a mistake". "If you don't spend time watching real people, you can't do this, because you've never seen it. Some people spend their lives interested only in themselves. Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know. It's produced by humans who can't stand looking at other humans. And that's why the industry is full of otaku!" Shinkai's and KyoAni's anime are so up their head they lack realism in their characters and are just some idealistic portrayal of their fantasy. And in this fantasy as Tomino said there's no sexual attraction despite its importance in normal human lives. If you pay attention in "Your Name" you'd notice that the initial characterization of the main couple is thrown away when the body swaps happen and they become the embodiment of their gender stereotypes. The characters personality changes as required by the movie to have those comedy bits. |
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| This is the best description of any shinkai work ever. lmao |
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| To be fair the romance in Yoshiyuki Tomino's shows it totally weird, absurd and on some occasions creepy, even sexist...but the guy at least can direct spectacular action scenes and mecha porn (and I like his humour and self irony). The best Shinkai can do is to make the interruptions (aka plot) of his scenery porn not that annoying. Atetotion said: Is Tomino's still salty that nobody liked Gundam Reconguista in G? Apparently some people (including me) liked Reco G. There are even new recap movies. NakolHira said: the reasons for Shinkai's works' worldwide success. You mean that one overpowered by hype movie? PS Wow, Tomino said that in an interview for the Weekly Playboy magazine...that explains a lot. |
alshuNov 2, 2019 4:58 AM
| Tomino-san is pretty much right here. They at least need to kiss each other like they did in 5cm. |
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| it's sad that anime always represent sex as something dirty (ex : domestic na bitches / Scum's Wish ...) yeah sex can be disgusting and dirty but it also can be pure and heartwarming the lack of intimacy make romance anime so dull , i watch romance to see kisses and huges and not some bullshit love triangles/misunderstandings ... a lot of Vns have pure love stories with some cute sex scenes , so i'm satisfied |
tragedydesuNov 2, 2019 9:04 AM
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PunkRocker2001 said: I think Tomino is just a fucking pervert Agreed. At the very least, he could express himself with more tact instead of talking like a horny teenager. |
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| He has a point, but the way he worded it is highly susceptible to spinning/misinterpretation, as it already seems to be happening in this thread. I just think he's pissed off about the populational decline in Japan and how pop culture over there seems to be somewhat contributing to that phenomenon. tragedydesu said: a lot of Vns have pure love stories with some cute sex scenes , so i'm satisfied One of the H-scenes in Koi to senkyo to Chocolate actually made me tear up |
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Atetotion said: "When asked what [Yoshiyuki Tomino] thought of Kyoto Animation and Shinkai anime, he said, "I see them as my rivals. From my generation's perspective, you don't have to go out of your way to make an anime that feels like an introspective novel ('I novel')." He then went on to describe Shinkai's works as "stories about a boy and a girl who are always stretching out their hands towards each other," and said, "And yet the boy's hand never reaches the girl's crotch." Now Tomino is probably fucking around when he said it, but let's suppose he's serious. Is his critiques about KyoAni and Shinkai substantial? Is Japan's purity laws hurting anime? Is Tomino's still salty that nobody liked Gundam Reconguista in G? Watcha think. Source: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-10-31/gundam-creator-yoshiyuki-tomino-criticizes-makoto-shinkai-works-for-lack-of-sexual-intimacy/.152531 only people with trash taste didnt like G reco on a more serious note though, I think he's totally right about this, and it doesn't only apply to Shinkai himself there's plenty of this 'romance' stuff that has AT BEST characters going for one single kiss, often limiting it to even less than that hardly feels like romance and not some weird platonic ideal love (which is boring as fuck tbh) and very unrealistic not like tomino is the best person to criticize romance of other authors but whatever, truth is truth |
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Atetotion said: jesus he sounds like the kind of person that would probably say the girl's a slut for doing the same thing to the guy lol"When asked what [Yoshiyuki Tomino] thought of Kyoto Animation and Shinkai anime, he said, "I see them as my rivals. From my generation's perspective, you don't have to go out of your way to make an anime that feels like an introspective novel ('I novel')." He then went on to describe Shinkai's works as "stories about a boy and a girl who are always stretching out their hands towards each other," and said, "And yet the boy's hand never reaches the girl's crotch." Now Tomino is probably fucking around when he said it, but let's suppose he's serious. Is his critiques about KyoAni and Shinkai substantial? Is Japan's purity laws hurting anime? Is Tomino's still salty that nobody liked Gundam Reconguista in G? Watcha think. Source: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-10-31/gundam-creator-yoshiyuki-tomino-criticizes-makoto-shinkai-works-for-lack-of-sexual-intimacy/.152531 |
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
Aure0lin said: he sounds like the kind of person that would probably say the girl's a slut for doing the same thing to the guy lol And considering the fact that this is from an interview for Playboy...also he likes them that way? |
alshuNov 2, 2019 5:46 PM
| I responded to this already on CE, so I'll just copy and paste it: Is he completely wrong though? Yeah, a bit overboard with wanting explicit sex (if I understood correctly) on shows/movies trying to be as 'family-friendly' as possible, but even kisses are avoided like the plague. How does one tell a story about a romantic development without the physical aspect? 'Romance' isn't merely a platonic thing one feels for another, it's normal for there to be physical attraction as well and physical attraction leads to physical interaction. It feels like leaving all romantic interest purely platonic, what makes it incomplete. Even worse, even when there is physical tension between characters (looking at you Kyoani), it's merely and completely normal friendship behavior, while romance itself sticks to characters blushing at handholding. |
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tragedydesu said: it's sad that anime always represent sex as something dirty (ex : domestic na bitches / Scum's Wish ...) yeah sex can be disgusting and dirty but it also can be pure and heartwarming the lack of intimacy make romance anime so dull , i watch romance to see kisses and huges and not some bullshit love triangles/misunderstandings ... a lot of Vns have pure love stories with some cute sex scenes , so i'm satisfied I think you'd like Kiss X Sis a lot. Its very light-hearted with a lot of sex in it. I agree with Tomino, I see this in some animes where a guy "dates" a girl for months on end without kissing. Meanwhile, my thought is what guy would date a girl for months on end without so much as asking why the fuck aren't we even hugging? Even in middle school I would not have put up with the relationships we see in a few animes where it takes the characters' months to start holding hands. Now I will say, I believe this phenomenon is exaggerated. Most romance animes I've seen do have kissing and relationship development. I don't think these sort of hyper-innocent relationships with no apparent physical attraction are the typical portrayal in anime. I've seen hyper-innocent relationships as well as hyper-lustful ones with the majority falling somewhere in the middle. I am in agreement, however, that its difficult to suspend your disbelief in animes where the characters don't find it odd at all that they've been dating for many months and aren't even comfortable hugging each other yet. |
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| In Shinkai's movies you are supposed to jerk off at the scenery, not at any reasonable expectations of a realistic romance. Kosmonaut said: The sheer amount of salt. Even worse, even when there is physical tension between characters (looking at you Kyoani), it's merely and completely normal friendship behavior, while romance itself sticks to characters blushing at handholding.[/i] |
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| @Ryuk9428 Kiss X Sis is just a garbage harem (that's just my opinion , if you like it then good for you) read Taishou Otome Otogibanashi if you want to know what kind of romance i was talking about |
tragedydesuNov 3, 2019 2:13 AM
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| Tomino gets that those works have no substance whatsoever except looking pretty so might as well add some wank material |
| Tomino is a funny guy. He made others laugh because of the Reconguita Gundam: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-10-22/toshio-okada-rips-apart-gundam-reconguista/.80151 Now I don't know about the other guys and Kyoto Animation. I have barely watched any stuff from KyoAni and only 1 older anime that is listed for Shinkai here in MAL. (Most stuff seems not interesting.) The better Gundam were Seed and 00 and Sunrise had a lot of other non-gundam mecha that were nice. |
| knowing Tomino, he is definitely not trolling. |
| Sexual intimacy in anime/or any other medium is often unnecessary , dont get me wrong , what I mean to say is that for me anime without sexual intimacy has nothing to lose, I wouldn't give it a lower score just coz it doesnt have those scenes. However I dont mind them. For me, If an anime/manga has intimate scenes, good. If an anime/manga doesnt have intimate scenes, still good. |
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| I think that he is worrying about Japan's depopulation problem, and he's probably fed up when he sees that many popular romantic anime with no "that kind" of conclusion. |
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| It is also a criticism of introspection, "From my generation's perspective, you don't have to go out of your way to make an anime that feels like an introspective novel ('I novel')" This is one of my main criticism of modern anime, why do modern anime have to be so focused on the delusions of the protagonist, why can't they act like people? |
| @xiwanep848 lol , my fav romance manga both of them don't have any kind of fanservice intimacy != fanservice love triangles and misunderstandings are not romance , they are just drama also there is no romance in hentai , its just lust |
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| I mean I'm always in favor of criticizing Shinkai and "stories about a boy and a girl who are always stretching out their hands towards each other" is literally what every shinkai movie ever is. He has one story that he tells. I don't really agree or care about the lack of sexual intimacy being an issue, or at least not the main issue, but otherwise Tomino nailed it. Unlike G Reco, unfortunately. Idk what KyoAni has to do with it tho. KyoAni actually makes more varied and frequently much better anime than Shinkai ever will. Throwing the two together in one put seems questionable. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| At least now I know not to watch anything made by Tomino since I dislike seeing sexual intimacy. |
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| He looking at Shinkai and his characters, going "no balls" lol |
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Big ass bruh moment here. Feels like a ruboff from the infamous Darling in the FranXX, tbh. |
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| Damn did I laugh to that comment. But honestly, one of the things that keeps me out of drama and all those is the fact that characters act like fucking androids most of the time. I don´t know if it´s only Japan or maybe they like to keep things "pure" (while being complete hypocrites then because hentai exists) but holy shit is so fucking neuron-breaker seen two characters being complete morons when trying to express their feelings. I dont necessarily say all characters should fuck or something (most of them are underage anyways) but definitively being less moronic about social or intimate relationships. |
Pyro said: You say that like it's a bad thing. ;)Tomino is cut from a completely different cloth and generation of creators. It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't care for Shinkai and KyoAni's modern methods and outlook. That said, their works are largely family friendly and simple, so I'm not sure what he's expecting. Whenever Tomino criticizes others within the medium, all I can think of is the fact that he created, directed, wrote, and storyboarded Garzey's Wing. |
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| It definitely isn't the first thing to come to mind when I think about criticisms I have for Shinkai. Most anime (not just Shinkai) does lack when it comes to showing the natural progression of a romantic relationship though. Personally I find anime that do have meaningful love scenes between the main couple to be a bit more satisfying. |
KruszerNov 8, 2019 1:34 PM
| "Laws exist only for those who cannot live without clinging onto them." -Souske Aizen "Bleach"  |
| Yeah agreed with him and others have mentioned, a kiss wouldn't hurt. |
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