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Jan 16, 2017 9:29 AM
#1
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Jan 16, 2017 9:19 PM
#2
I feel this episode was terribly written. Bad dialogues and too predictable. Worse than last one, but similar modus operandi. Not good at all so far. |
Jan 16, 2017 10:53 PM
#3
Damn this episode was so bitter sweet....I felt bad for Afusa, Heizou and his friend :( |
Jan 16, 2017 11:30 PM
#4
Unfortunate of Ofusa to be caught between the siblings' dispute over inheritance though her late husband's younger brother could've married her instead of kicking her out. Not surprised things ended this way. |
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Jan 17, 2017 1:21 AM
#5
Wasn't as good as the first episode, honestly. Felt bad for Heizou's friend, though. Poor dude. |
Jan 17, 2017 4:07 AM
#6
I liked the first episode better. The emotional impact of this episode was also lacking, considering how the themes of friendship and love and the general conflict between hopeful youth and disillusioned adulthood were highlighted~ Although the OST doesn't sound like any new or special, I still enjoyed listening to it a lot- Also was that Megumi Hayashibara as Ofusa? I can't acess the ANN servers right now Edit: It was her |
JacksnappJan 17, 2017 4:22 AM
Jan 17, 2017 6:00 AM
#7
Meh, I wasn't really feeling anything with this episode. It's still early though so there's still time for improvement. |
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Jan 17, 2017 7:17 AM
#8
Jan 17, 2017 7:27 AM
#9
It's so hard to tell apart the characters, since the way they were drawn doesn't give them any special features, like hair and stuff. It's a plus in a way looks more realistic, but not when all of the characters look really similar. |
Jan 17, 2017 7:39 AM
#10
Hirugiku said: joker game's characters are harder to distinguish than this though, I guess all we could do is bear with it.It's so hard to tell apart the characters, since the way they were drawn doesn't give them any special features, like hair and stuff. It's a plus in a way looks more realistic, but not when all of the characters look really similar. |
Jan 17, 2017 7:46 AM
#11
Certainly not as good as the first episode, but I still enjoyed watching. The final dialogue makes me think something is coming... Also, that classical japanese jazz ending song is pretty good! |
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Jan 17, 2017 9:22 AM
#12
The first episode was better imo. This was still a good episode though. It's pretty sad how Ofusa's life turned out after her husband died. The abuse from her late husband's brother was too much for her. |
Jan 17, 2017 11:25 AM
#13
Jan 17, 2017 12:22 PM
#14
Jacksnapp said: I liked the first episode better. The emotional impact of this episode was also lacking, considering how the themes of friendship and love and the general conflict between hopeful youth and disillusioned adulthood were highlighted~ Although the OST doesn't sound like any new or special, I still enjoyed listening to it a lot- Also was that Megumi Hayashibara as Ofusa? I can't acess the ANN servers right now Edit: It was her Yeah, her jaded and tired woman voice is hard to miss. No one does it better. I actually liked this episode more than most. While I think we will get a villain of the week format, there will be bits an pieces of background here and there that will hopefully lead to some overarching narrative. |
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Jan 17, 2017 12:34 PM
#15
EGOIST said: Hirugiku said: joker game's characters are harder to distinguish than this though, I guess all we could do is bear with it.It's so hard to tell apart the characters, since the way they were drawn doesn't give them any special features, like hair and stuff. It's a plus in a way looks more realistic, but not when all of the characters look really similar. This lol. Had to look up characters for Joker Game all the time, but at least in Onihei the main character has wavy hair. |
Jan 17, 2017 12:40 PM
#16
Hirugiku said: It's so hard to tell apart the characters, since the way they were drawn doesn't give them any special features, like hair and stuff. It's a plus in a way looks more realistic, but not when all of the characters look really similar. I found the two women in this episode really hard to distinguish. At first during the flashback I thought that young Ofusa was Hasegawa's wife... Therefore I assumed the reason for why those two best friends hadn't seen each other in 15 years must've been that Hasegawa ermeged as the winner of their love rivalry |
Jan 17, 2017 12:42 PM
#17
Jacksnapp said: Hirugiku said: It's so hard to tell apart the characters, since the way they were drawn doesn't give them any special features, like hair and stuff. It's a plus in a way looks more realistic, but not when all of the characters look really similar. I found the two women in this episode really hard to distinguish. At first during the flashback I thought that young Ofusa was Hasegawa's wife... Therefore I assumed the reason for why those two best friends hadn't seen each other in 15 years must've been that Hasegawa ermeged as the winner of their love rivalry Good to know I'm not the only one :P |
Jan 17, 2017 1:15 PM
#18
Jan 17, 2017 2:06 PM
#19
"We only have ourselves in the present", eh? Cutting, but pretty darn true. I liked this episode more so than the last,- probably bc of the themes...I thought the Sakura metaphor was neat and how it showed that Samanosuke was living for a time (and a woman) that was long gone. Also loving the music and scenery in particular. Now I feel kinda stupid for thinking the guy from last episode was actually gonna be the MC...seems like this one is pretty episodic so episodes will either be a hit or a miss. It's a shame that this has slipped under the radar so much; I think it's actually one of the better ones from this season, along with Kuzu no Honkai but ah well, what can ya do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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Jan 17, 2017 4:43 PM
#20
Strawberrycake48 said: "We only have ourselves in the present", eh? Cutting, but pretty darn true. I liked this episode more so than the last,- probably bc of the themes...I thought the Sakura metaphor was neat and how it showed that Samanosuke was living for a time (and a woman) that was long gone. Also loving the music and scenery in particular. Now I feel kinda stupid for thinking the guy from last episode was actually gonna be the MC...seems like this one is pretty episodic so episodes will either be a hit or a miss. It's a shame that this has slipped under the radar so much; I think it's actually one of the better ones from this season, along with Kuzu no Honkai but ah well, what can ya do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I agree with what you wrote about being under the radar. It's a shame people will not give serious period pieces a chance, like so many ecchi seem to receive (seemingly just for being ecchi...). Question @Strawberrycake48: As someone only picking up four new shows this season, could you make a case for Kuzu no Honkai? ANNCast made it sound more interesting than the MAL description, but they did not speak favorably of Onihei, or the other shows I started (ACCA, Youjo Senki, and Chain Chronicle ). |
Jan 17, 2017 5:24 PM
#21
Jan 17, 2017 6:13 PM
#22
Well that was depressing as fuck. But as always, Megumi Hayashibara is a goddess. |
PanaruJan 17, 2017 6:23 PM
Jan 17, 2017 6:57 PM
#23
Saeba_D_Guyver said: Strawberrycake48 said: "We only have ourselves in the present", eh? Cutting, but pretty darn true. I liked this episode more so than the last,- probably bc of the themes...I thought the Sakura metaphor was neat and how it showed that Samanosuke was living for a time (and a woman) that was long gone. Also loving the music and scenery in particular. Now I feel kinda stupid for thinking the guy from last episode was actually gonna be the MC...seems like this one is pretty episodic so episodes will either be a hit or a miss. It's a shame that this has slipped under the radar so much; I think it's actually one of the better ones from this season, along with Kuzu no Honkai but ah well, what can ya do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I agree with what you wrote about being under the radar. It's a shame people will not give serious period pieces a chance, like so many ecchi seem to receive (seemingly just for being ecchi...). Question @Strawberrycake48: As someone only picking up four new shows this season, could you make a case for Kuzu no Honkai? ANNCast made it sound more interesting than the MAL description, but they did not speak favorably of Onihei, or the other shows I started (ACCA, Youjo Senki, and Chain Chronicle ). I can try to make a case! Spoiler tagged for you so it doesn't clog the thread~ *Just to get this outta the way first- Kuzu no Honkai has great art direction thus far- a lot of the frames consist of panels that look like they've been pulled straight from the manga...only the characters actually move within said panels. This works really well for a lot of the more intimate and quiet moments. The art is almost lucid and dream-like in appearance which is definitely easy on the eyes. *Depending on how important it is to you, I also wanna note that the sound is really great- what I've heard of the OST is wonderful & will definitely work in any future emotional scenes later in the series. Whilst I personally didn't find the opening song to be anything eye-popping or eargasmic (?) by anime standards, it was pretty catchy. The ending song "Parallel Line" is a winner though...the illustrations and (definitely sexual) symbolism paired with Sayuri's penetrating (no pun intended) voice give me goosebumps. *The plot itself sounds pretty basic in terms of romance/drama anime and I suppose it really is. Person A in love with person B who's in love with person C, who's secretly admired by person D. Person A and person D team up to help each other get the lover of their dreams and comfort and blah blah blah kiss kiss fall in love along the way. It sounds like every Shoujo manga from the 90's or a Korean drama. But it doesn't come off that way at all, and one reason for that (aside from the fact that it's a Seinen) is because of the realism (so far anyway) within the two main characters, Mugi and Hana. Yes, they're in a faux relationsjip, but it is an active one. They kiss, they hold hands, they make-out, they aren't "saving themselves" for the princess in the top of the tower or the knight atop his noble steed. It's abundantly clear they have no romantic feelings- they have bonded over their similar situations, and it's comforting for them knowing they don't have to feel guilty for taking advantage of each other. Their motives aren't idealized and they're clearly selfish people. But that's great bc it's interesting to watch! In fact, I have no doubt in my mind that they'd happily throw one another under the bus of a better offer presented itself. What happens in most romance manga anime? The MC tries to date another person who expresses romantic interest in them, only to back out and scream something along the lines of "I can't betray my feelings!" and runs back to crush A who suddenly realize their own feelings. Anime has this habit of sensationalizing romantic relationships more than any other and "saving yourself for the one."..but we don't have that in Kuzu no Honkai at all. It feels similar to Nana or Paradise Kiss in that respect- characters, like many people, do things or stay in relationships that benefit them personally, and sex is used either as a weapon or a pacifier as opposed to an expression of love. *The smut itself feels right as well, bc let's face it...we all know teens that are dating are usually experimenting sexually. [s) c'mon Japan, we know your high schoolers are doing more than holding hands[/s] *Another point to add is that the characters feel and act their ages- they are teenagers, so ofc they aren't going to act in the most reasonable and conventionally mature ways to confront their issues. I imagine there will be times where i'll be hella frustrated with their actions. *I also have no idea what to expect or who (if anyone) are actually gonna be the end game pair...which deserves praise bc there are so many predictable romance series;. I'm not saying predictable=bad and unpredictable=good, but it gives me some hope at least. I'd go as far as to say this might not even be considered a romance series at all, but A Study of the Consequences of being a Scumbag. I'd explain it as more of a yearning to attain love without taking the time to understand what that word really even means. I just can't believe that Hana is in love with her "Oniichan" when all she thinks about is her own obsession with him cue psychological analysis rant. So if you like that sorta stuff, I'd recommend it whole heartedly! *Only one episode out so far- idk if it's gonna go down the gutter since we're early in. However, my point is that it's something different and intruiging that doesn't sugar coat its character motives.Although if you like fidelity, fluffy romance and are expecting something like ToraDora outta this, I'd give Kuzu no Honkai a pass. |
Strawberrycake48Jan 17, 2017 7:05 PM
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Jan 17, 2017 7:16 PM
#24
Episode 1 was better imo. I still don't fully recognize who is who. |
Jan 17, 2017 9:44 PM
#25
Omg megumi yes Whst a tragic past for her |
Jan 17, 2017 10:22 PM
#26
Well... the soundtrack is great. |
Jan 18, 2017 2:04 AM
#27
I got a feeling of Aoi Bungaku from this one. Though the visual is quite weak. |
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Jan 18, 2017 2:39 AM
#28
this anime has the best VA casts. old stories are still interesting. i would like to learn more about Japan's samuraifolktales |
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Jan 18, 2017 5:02 AM
#29
Jacksnapp said: Hirugiku said: It's so hard to tell apart the characters, since the way they were drawn doesn't give them any special features, like hair and stuff. It's a plus in a way looks more realistic, but not when all of the characters look really similar. I found the two women in this episode really hard to distinguish. At first during the flashback I thought that young Ofusa was Hasegawa's wife... Therefore I assumed the reason for why those two best friends hadn't seen each other in 15 years must've been that Hasegawa ermeged as the winner of their love rivalry I also thought this at first. |
Jan 18, 2017 5:12 AM
#30
This isn't getting me as good as the first episode made me think. It was pretty bland overall. They're going for a sort of character of the week thing with the main police whatever dude. If they get some interesting characters in these weekly outings then maybe it could be better, better. But then again, they're only here for an episode so there's not much interest to be had for me. And they're also struggling visually. The first episode had a cool fight, but then we got this underwhelming episode. The backgrounds and the colors in general are pretty cool, but the animation is really struggling. Probably because the studio was born just yesterday. I'll give it another episode but I'm not expecting much after this outing. |
Jan 18, 2017 9:39 AM
#31
Man his daughter's face is still creepy as shit. Always fun to watch a beautiful woman fall from grace. Nice to see some plain old period drama animated, even if there's nothing to take advantage of the medium. |
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Jan 18, 2017 11:05 AM
#32
Strawberrycake48 said: Saeba_D_Guyver said: I agree with what you wrote about being under the radar. It's a shame people will not give serious period pieces a chance, like so many ecchi seem to receive (seemingly just for being ecchi...). Question @Strawberrycake48: As someone only picking up four new shows this season, could you make a case for Kuzu no Honkai? ANNCast made it sound more interesting than the MAL description, but they did not speak favorably of Onihei, or the other shows I started (ACCA, Youjo Senki, and Chain Chronicle ). I can try to make a case! Spoiler tagged for you so it doesn't clog the thread~ *Just to get this outta the way first- Kuzu no Honkai has great art direction thus far- a lot of the frames consist of panels that look like they've been pulled straight from the manga...only the characters actually move within said panels. This works really well for a lot of the more intimate and quiet moments. The art is almost lucid and dream-like in appearance which is definitely easy on the eyes. *Depending on how important it is to you, I also wanna note that the sound is really great- what I've heard of the OST is wonderful & will definitely work in any future emotional scenes later in the series. Whilst I personally didn't find the opening song to be anything eye-popping or eargasmic (?) by anime standards, it was pretty catchy. The ending song "Parallel Line" is a winner though...the illustrations and (definitely sexual) symbolism paired with Sayuri's penetrating (no pun intended) voice give me goosebumps. *The plot itself sounds pretty basic in terms of romance/drama anime and I suppose it really is. Person A in love with person B who's in love with person C, who's secretly admired by person D. Person A and person D team up to help each other get the lover of their dreams and comfort and blah blah blah kiss kiss fall in love along the way. It sounds like every Shoujo manga from the 90's or a Korean drama. But it doesn't come off that way at all, and one reason for that (aside from the fact that it's a Seinen) is because of the realism (so far anyway) within the two main characters, Mugi and Hana. Yes, they're in a faux relationsjip, but it is an active one. They kiss, they hold hands, they make-out, they aren't "saving themselves" for the princess in the top of the tower or the knight atop his noble steed. It's abundantly clear they have no romantic feelings- they have bonded over their similar situations, and it's comforting for them knowing they don't have to feel guilty for taking advantage of each other. Their motives aren't idealized and they're clearly selfish people. But that's great bc it's interesting to watch! In fact, I have no doubt in my mind that they'd happily throw one another under the bus of a better offer presented itself. What happens in most romance manga anime? The MC tries to date another person who expresses romantic interest in them, only to back out and scream something along the lines of "I can't betray my feelings!" and runs back to crush A who suddenly realize their own feelings. Anime has this habit of sensationalizing romantic relationships more than any other and "saving yourself for the one."..but we don't have that in Kuzu no Honkai at all. It feels similar to Nana or Paradise Kiss in that respect- characters, like many people, do things or stay in relationships that benefit them personally, and sex is used either as a weapon or a pacifier as opposed to an expression of love. *The smut itself feels right as well, bc let's face it...we all know teens that are dating are usually experimenting sexually. [s) c'mon Japan, we know your high schoolers are doing more than holding hands[/s] *Another point to add is that the characters feel and act their ages- they are teenagers, so ofc they aren't going to act in the most reasonable and conventionally mature ways to confront their issues. I imagine there will be times where i'll be hella frustrated with their actions. *I also have no idea what to expect or who (if anyone) are actually gonna be the end game pair...which deserves praise bc there are so many predictable romance series;. I'm not saying predictable=bad and unpredictable=good, but it gives me some hope at least. I'd go as far as to say this might not even be considered a romance series at all, but A Study of the Consequences of being a Scumbag. I'd explain it as more of a yearning to attain love without taking the time to understand what that word really even means. I just can't believe that Hana is in love with her "Oniichan" when all she thinks about is her own obsession with him cue psychological analysis rant. So if you like that sorta stuff, I'd recommend it whole heartedly! *Only one episode out so far- idk if it's gonna go down the gutter since we're early in. However, my point is that it's something different and intruiging that doesn't sugar coat its character motives.Although if you like fidelity, fluffy romance and are expecting something like ToraDora outta this, I'd give Kuzu no Honkai a pass. You have convinced me to give Kuzu no Honkai a chance, with credit to how you described the characters. I think that interesting character dynamic will also play into Onihei. As seen in this episode and episode one, characters do not frantically defend their actions and foibles, rather they are quite blunt and unapologetic about their decisions. They are not crassly arrogant in their faults like so many ecchi heroes and rom-com characters. I find this kind of storytelling refreshing. Like Ofusa said, (to paraphrase): "Yeah, I wanted him dead; he turned my life to hell, and he deserved to pay. As far as the family legacy? What do I care, it still exists while he will not." |
Jan 18, 2017 1:40 PM
#33
I am disappointed more people aren't picking this up. Honestly, not as good as the first episode but still enjoyable overall. |
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Jan 19, 2017 12:14 AM
#34
I totally forgot this came out on Tuesdays. Anyway, I thought this was a pretty good episode. Surprised a lot of people aren't liking it all that much. Felt sad for Ofusa at the end, she was just a girl who caught up in family issue and ended up losing everything. Was really sad to see the circumstances change her from the pure maiden she was to who she is now. She never really asked for any of that. :( The ending felt very poignant to me, in the entire ordeal no one really had any satisfaction. Ofusa is a completely changed character, The MC and his friend gave up on the woman they liked, MC's friend says that he doesn't really have anything in his life. Perhaps the only good thing that came out of the whole thing was that the MC and his friend rekindled their friendship. |
Jan 19, 2017 4:23 AM
#35
The story and themes were good but it was executed in a lackluster way. Also, each story needs a bit more time, how many drama episodes did it took per scenario? And 3DCGI streets are a bad idea (worse than room interiors): it makes the walking characters impressively flat. 4/5 Agreeably surprised by Hayashibara's guest-starring. People expecting something more than an episodic costumed thieves show should revise their hopes: this will probably be nothing more than a "best-of" of the novels / drama stories. PS: after reading a thread full of "I don't know her", it's refreshing to see the opposite here, people noticing her through her (adult) voice. |
Rei_IIIJan 19, 2017 4:42 AM
Jan 19, 2017 8:34 AM
#36
I liked the previous one a lot more. Depends on the 3rd ep, I'll decide if to continue or not. |
Jan 20, 2017 4:56 AM
#37
2nd eps was just ok. I like the time period and the overall feel of the show, but I'm not much of a fan of "case of the week" episodic nature this show has so far exhibited. I don't need there to be a big evil that needs to be overcome by the end of the cour, I'd just like to see some stories that take longer than 1 episode to build and develop. Maybe they are foreshadowing something with the MC's son -- perhaps he will get mixed up some less than savory individuals and that will be a building theme. Or maybe it can return to the side characters from the first eps and continue that story line... or maybe not..... hmmmm :( |
Jan 21, 2017 6:19 AM
#39
Perhaps it was less reflective and contemplative in the narrative, but I think it was intended to provide a basic message, rather than dwell with a fairly canonical history. Drawings and animations, average, but definitely better than those of Konosuba. Catchy and evocative, the soundtrack. I would say that as a pastime, though not gay in content, can fit this anime series. |
Jan 22, 2017 7:02 AM
#40
This story was less interesting than the first one. I hope Kumehachi will be back to the next episode. |
Jan 28, 2017 2:59 PM
#42
Jan 31, 2017 5:49 PM
#43
I start seeing patern here now. Bad guys doing bad things, Hasegawa go, hire rat who infiltrate bad guys, tell where they'are hiding, shinsengumi come in and masacre everybody. What a lovely shinsengumi police story collection. |
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Feb 6, 2017 10:45 AM
#44
Who know the name of background music started from 17:10 in Episode 2?THANKS. |
Feb 18, 2017 10:40 AM
#45
Roy_Focker said: Man, talk about people changing trough circumstances...MC friends was devastated by this ordeal. It was pretty obvious from the beginning that his friend, also being the more mature one at the time, was more serious about it, even 15 years ago. MC made a mistake there, and should have allowed his friend a chance. |
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Feb 18, 2017 2:22 PM
#46
@Laionidas Yeah, that is why I said that he was devastated in the sense that he not only lose the chance to reunited with the person that he loved (he obviously did but she wasn’t the same person any more)… he must be second guessing himself in all of his decision and actions, heck I would even be surprise if the next time they saw each other (I’m assuming by mistake you are refereeing as MC interfering between the two as a teenagers not because he incarcerated her) as enemy by some kind of twisted mentality but I doubt it. He seems like he is going to pounder/meditate trough a journey (Rōnin) and maybe he is going to join MC to prevent others people from going through all the suffering he has had because of criminals, he would be a great addition to the Arson Theft Control squad. |
Jun 12, 2017 11:01 PM
#47
Ooh I'm loving the drama in this one |
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Nov 5, 2017 9:58 AM
#48
Hirugiku said: Jacksnapp said: Hirugiku said: It's so hard to tell apart the characters, since the way they were drawn doesn't give them any special features, like hair and stuff. It's a plus in a way looks more realistic, but not when all of the characters look really similar. I found the two women in this episode really hard to distinguish. At first during the flashback I thought that young Ofusa was Hasegawa's wife... Therefore I assumed the reason for why those two best friends hadn't seen each other in 15 years must've been that Hasegawa ermeged as the winner of their love rivalry Good to know I'm not the only one :P I had the same problem and thought just as you did, it was Hasegawa's wife. |
Apr 24, 2019 2:22 PM
#49
So every episode, Hasegawa will catch wind of a criminal operation through a rat and then bust them and then their backstory and reason for why they did what they did will come to the fold. There also will be a different character added that had/has a relationship with Hasegawa to help support this. Why the hell did the Hattoru guy not have a contingency plan or have any sense of precaution? He just told his whole fucking plan to some old guy? What?! I feel the storytelling is kinda lazy. The show's not bad but it's not good either. 2.5/5 |
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Oct 19, 2019 6:08 AM
#50
Some backstory on Hasegawa,sad to see Ofusa having straying off onto the bad path because her husband died, makes you wonder if she would have found happiness if she married with that friend instead I must say for some shady business, that fat guy laid out his plan easily to an old guy who could have easily lied about his former occupation |
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