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Apr 7, 2019 11:53 PM
#101
Oh wow I loved this a lot. Basically Ash from Banana Fish is now a Koto player tbh. Really loving Uchida Yuuma's voice and him getting more roles. Also loving Hosoya Yoshimasa. This anime seems suuuuper promising and I'll be looking forward to more. |
Apr 8, 2019 1:41 AM
#102
3sjd said: tottobennington said: Am i the only one that felt like they tried to cram too much in one episode? It felt rushed AF They definitely rushed it way too much that I felt they didn't leave a space for the viewers to get emotionally invested in the characters. Ch.1 has 70 pages and they just tried to fit it all in one episode. As a result, they left out some small details,silent moments and expressions, which made everything feels forced. I went 🤦 many times and I was worried how will the anime-only perceive the episode, but I'm seeing a lot of positive comments so I'm relieved. All the first 4 chapters are around 60-70 pages long, so we can expect the next 3 episodes to be rushed,too. Anyway, I hope everyone still enjoy the anime and the beautiful relationships between the characters. And if anyone feels like dropping the anime, please go and give the manga a shot. What you want they do ? 1ch per 1 episode is so rational |
Apr 8, 2019 2:23 AM
#103
Digitalexile said: jal90 said: Digitalexile said: jal90 said: Digitalexile said: jal90 said: Digitalexile said: jal90 said: Digitalexile said: jal90 said: Digitalexile said: jal90 said: Digitalexile said: jal90 said: Now please tell me why does it have to go this far. Why do the bullies have to heavy hit Takezou with a bat only to set a trap for Chika. Why are people not just mean, but plain evil and sadistic for no reason or motivation, doing things that go beyond the scope of what students can do and instead make them look like criminals with one or two screws loose. Why are the adults, particularly the guy who keeps accusing Chika, so lacking in any sort of diplomatic skills to deal with an obviously heavy issue. Go read up on Japan's "ijime" culture, that will explain all your questions why bullies are "so mean", "going too far". Trust me, you will find much more instances narrating how "they beyond the scope of what students can do and instead make them look like criminals with one or two screws loose without any specific reason", or how some some adults ignore such problems. There is a manga called 17-sai which highlights the problem based on a real life incident, maybe you should try reading more articles and stuff on such a subject since you are clearly unfamiliar with it. Lol calm down you shithead, I know enough about bullying, perhaps more than you, to know that people don't go around hitting others with a bat in the head, which could have killed the victim, just to make a scene and set a trap for another guy. Perhaps because there is a difference between bullying, heavy as it may be, and bordering murder attempt. I know very well how some adults choose to ignore these problems thanks, this show didn't try this, they weren't ignoring shit, they were accusing and cornering another student with zero evidence for it, all while going the "if you don't say anything it means you are guilty" overdone shit. So no, don't go lecture me about this, and much less try to appear superior just because you know a couple tragic cases in Japan. 17-sai is based on a case of extreme bullying that became murder, it became notorious because of that, that is different from the kind of shit this show tries to make me swallow as regular scheming regular high school bullies do. >starts off with an insult Thank you, reported. >much less try to appear superior just because you know a couple tragic cases in Japan "Couple of tragic cases", thank you again, that tells me about how you are ignorant about it, yet again, sadly. Here is a short article about the whole topic, but given how you are ignorant about the whole subject, doubt thousands of article I would provide would be helpful. Anyway you lost all your credibility when you started with an insult, please don't quote me, thanks. ~ "Ignorant about it" do you think Japan is the only place like this where this shit can happen? >I know that bullying in Japan is particularly bad and fucked up because there are not enough resources to fight against it, show tried to sell it as something almost anecdotal just like another regular act bullies do because they are bullies. Because it is indeed a common social issue today, there. The problem here is that the show is about a light hearted topic like koto, which seems odd like a dark subject casually placed here, but nowhere it invalidates impossibility of such a subject. I have read worse cases of "casual" bullying(there are some examples in that article but it only shows a very minor part of it) and I know few people who are actually familiar with the subject in Japan, so yeah this is not unusual for me, unlike you. The thing is, related to bullying, what's uncommon for westerns isn't really the same in Japan. Harsh reality, but one has to accept it. Okay, thanks for changing the tone in the answer. Much better this way. I'll do better research, promised, in how common the sort of extreme this episode showed is. Again I am not denying that heavy bullying exists and is common, particularly knowing how bad the Japanese educational system does in trying to avoid or solve these problems before they escalate to something greater, but the bat scene is really something else. It is an extreme, and the kind of extreme that could very easily make the news. >It is an extreme, and the kind of extreme that could very easily make the news. It only makes the news only when there are suicide cases, or actual cases of death. This is another good article about it, most relevant part is "Bullying in Japan". Honestly it makes me feel sad when so many MAL reviews try to underplay the vicious cycle of bullying present there. Seen that about Koe no katachi, 3 gatsu, and will again probably see some reviews about how such bullying is "unrealistic" for this show. No, no, I'm not saying that the bullying is unrealistic in this show, like of course it can happen, a bunch of kids heavy beating another for whatever petty reason. If anything I'm complaining about the surrounding circumstances and how tame and casual it tries to make it look for something that could very well have killed Takezou. 3-gatsu's bullying arc was fantastic and quite a gold standard in the way it deals with the topic. I don't think this episode has come close to its level of nuance, regardless of how realistic or common something like that is. I already said that, the manga's main strength is how it focuses on teamwork and atmosphere for koto performances with lighhearted tone(along with backstory/development of other characters), so yes such a dark incident may seem like an odd event here(this is also because of anime's presentation, which is more casual compared to the manga). However, by no means "it's terrible in the way it corresponds to a very real and resonating problem", since that's actually a very real problem there. Talking about the show's stance here and how it presents it, though. Not about how common it is of a problem. It's one thing that the Japanese society doesn't find it alarming enough, another one is that this show, apparently, doesn't either. And that was really my point. It's not in the event, it's in the tone and the framing of the event. It is in the interpretation of the event the show seems to make. So my apologies for the confusion and for the tone but I didn't feel that you were actually answering to what I was saying there, and perhaps it's my fault for not expressing myself adequately enough. Your original point and first two replies with insult were about how can bullies do this and that as if it's common there(why are bullies so mean and sadistic, how can it go so far etc etc), so this is again a complete different stance on a technical point about the anime rather than about the incident itself, for whatever reason. Okay then. Anyway yes, the "framing" could have been indeed presented better in the anime(this is more of studio's fault I think), to make the tone seem more natural, I can agree with that at least. Writing wise, it's fine as it is. Yeah, that's my fault since I got caught up in that debate and I have to apologize for leading to mistake here, but my overall point was rather in how little the show seemed to care about the overall gravity of the event. That's why I was talking about "cheap shock effect", like all it tried to do with that is create a sudden emotional outburst to strengthen the bonds of Takeyou and Chika and make the former accept the latter in the club. That this thing came out of Takezou being brutally beaten (and in a way that could have killed him) rubs me the wrong way because I consider that the show doesn't take it seriously enough, that it did that just to give the two MC their moment. And that has really nothing to do with how common these acts are. They don't even need to be common to be portrayed in the series. They just need to be acknowledged in their seriousness. That's why I was initially perplexed that you were trying to lecture me on this, and that's why the first posts in this discussion focused on this particular aspect, with you bringing articles and talking about ijime tropes and me not knowing in what part of my post did I exactly say that my problem was in how uncommon these practices were. Like even if they plain stabbed Takezou, as long as the episode showed any sign of acknowledging how serious and life threatening that act is I would of course accept it and find it valid. Being dark is not the problem, it's being dark and not having a proper emotional payoff for that. So your initial post and criticisms are totally different(reason why I had to give a proper lecture) and now there is backtracking with you having a different stance saying how there wasn't proper emotional payoff(basically what another user said about the tone, and I was talking about that too in another post). "Me not knowing how uncommon these are" not that, but second paragraph of your original post was totally different about "please tell me why they can go this far", " why are they so mean", etc etc about the incident itself when I showed yes it's a common instance of going so far. I am not going to argue any further, thanks for wasting time. Funny how viewers complain about structure of a show when the arguments itself have a shoddy structure. Look, I've been nice enough explaining and apologizing for the confusion my initial wording may have leaded to you, when I have made very clear later that I refer to the way the episode frames the events. Take it or leave it, but don't bother me further with this and don't try to pick a fight again. Stop thinking that I owe you something. |
jal90Apr 8, 2019 2:34 AM
Apr 8, 2019 3:17 AM
#104
ziad1419 said: 3sjd said: tottobennington said: Am i the only one that felt like they tried to cram too much in one episode? It felt rushed AF They definitely rushed it way too much that I felt they didn't leave a space for the viewers to get emotionally invested in the characters. Ch.1 has 70 pages and they just tried to fit it all in one episode. As a result, they left out some small details,silent moments and expressions, which made everything feels forced. I went 🤦 many times and I was worried how will the anime-only perceive the episode, but I'm seeing a lot of positive comments so I'm relieved. All the first 4 chapters are around 60-70 pages long, so we can expect the next 3 episodes to be rushed,too. Anyway, I hope everyone still enjoy the anime and the beautiful relationships between the characters. And if anyone feels like dropping the anime, please go and give the manga a shot. What you want they do ? 1ch per 1 episode is so rational One chapter per episode is pretty good. Once the chapters are 40ish page long. |
3sjdApr 8, 2019 7:17 AM
Apr 8, 2019 7:53 AM
#105
I feel bad for Kudo :( It was a nice start though. Looking forward for more :) |
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Apr 8, 2019 9:29 AM
#106
It was ultra generic boring first episode of anime spokonu. Hinomaru zumo's ep 1 was even better. |
Apr 8, 2019 10:12 AM
#107
Meh this is actually disappointing.. So many clichés thrown at once.. and what's wrong with the "main" character? Irritating and annoying from ep1.. But I'll give it until ep 4 to 3 and see if it gets better.. |
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Apr 8, 2019 3:49 PM
#108
Apr 8, 2019 6:45 PM
#109
Does anyone know if this anime will heavily feature the instrument/music? Kind of like Piano no Mori. I'd rather not watch it if isn't music-focused. |
Apr 9, 2019 2:01 AM
#110
Senpai5 said: Does anyone know if this anime will heavily feature the instrument/music? Kind of like Piano no Mori. I'd rather not watch it if isn't music-focused. Didn't see Piano no Mori, but yes it heavily focuses on music. |
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Apr 9, 2019 2:47 AM
#111
A solid first episode, even if it is rather typical of school anime. Nothing to complain about here though. I see people are calling melodramatic for the scenes where the bullies are involved. Melodramatic and unrealistic are not the words to describe this. In fact, the people who are calling it such are reminding me of those who called Mahou Shoujo Site the exact same - at least at the beginning. This does, sadly, happen. It might be exaggerated slightly in the show, sure, it's anime after all, but it's definitely not unrealistic. Back onto the show, though, I'm getting Your Lie in April vibes from the MC, which isn't really a bad thing. Not to mention the sad story that introduced why the delinquent wanted to join such a club. I suppose we'll see how this fares, especially if the first few chapters of the manga are quite long. This episode did feel quite rushed, so hopefully, they manage to get the pacing right soon. Overall, though, a decent episode. I'll certainly keep watching. |
Apr 9, 2019 5:33 AM
#112
Great episode, I think PlatVis has done well even though the art is inferior to the manga and they skipped some details but they had to fit the first chapter to one episode. I'm looking forward to the next episode. I was hyped for this anime of this season other than anything and they didn't disappoint me. |
Apr 9, 2019 1:48 PM
#113
I have been waiting for this for a while now, since people told me it was similar to Chihayafuru (I intended to read the manga, but...) I believe the adaptation is poor made? Animation and character design falls a bit flat. If only a studio like Madhouse had picked this up... Anyway. Aside from that, I think this has a lot of premise. Story-wise, I think the deliquent-thing is a bit way too much (I'm tired of it), but I'll hope that it was only a set up for the story and all that. The megane-guy scene where he hesitates about telling the principal that Kudo isn't the culprit made me very mad. But overall I think I just came into this with excessively high expectations since I knew it would be similar to Chihayafuru. I'll be waiting for more~ |
Apr 9, 2019 2:18 PM
#114
ED and OP are quite nice Animation has its problmes if the anime is enjoyable despite it i will 100% read the Manga So far so basic but from what ive heard and seen from the Manga it will get pretty good....so i have quite some hopes and i hope it wont got the Tate no Yusha way for me with a quite basic but ok 1. episode and than gets worse despite a high rating of the original work |
Apr 9, 2019 3:34 PM
#115
I haven't read the manga. Although I live in the USA, I _have_ seen the koto played in person; one of my high school classmates mother was Japanese, and did a koto presentation that I attended while in college. Yes, lot's of stereotypes here. Unfortunately, these are ones that really do reflect reality. Once you get a bad rep, doesn't matter if you try to reform, far too many people will never believe it. So it's easy to frame someone like that, if you take care that no one sees you do it. Those who are slamming the one kid, saying he "needs to man up", that "he deserved to be bullied". It's attitudes like that which keep this type of thing happening. What good is "manning up" when it's three on one, and every one of those three are larger and stronger than the one, and have shown that they will use force? Also, he _did_ try to stand up to them. The result? They beat him up even worse than before. "Deserved to be bullied"? Excuse me? Next you're going to tell me that "Might makes Right," that "the weak deserve to be ruled by the strong", and that "she had it coming". The ability to dominate by force has no relationship to whether you are right or wrong. |
Apr 9, 2019 4:45 PM
#116
"It has cliches" "it's generic", people still keep repeating this terms everytime they don't like stuff in order to seem smart and cultured. These words will stay empty unless you explain the TRUE criticism of the show. Stop obsessively looking for "originality" because it doesn't exist anymore. Everything has been done yet. Accept it. The first episode was okay. |
Apr 9, 2019 10:14 PM
#117
TinselSparkles said: I see people are calling melodramatic for the scenes where the bullies are involved. Melodramatic and unrealistic are not the words to describe this. In fact, the people who are calling it such are reminding me of those who called Mahou Shoujo Site the exact same - at least at the beginning. This does, sadly, happen. It might be exaggerated slightly in the show, sure, it's anime after all, but it's definitely not unrealistic. There's literally only one post that used the word "melodramatic", so it's not people (plural) calling it that, but just one person. And to be fair calling it melodramatic would be a praise to this bullshit of a script. You're comparing this title to Mahou Shoujo Site in terms of how the audience received it, and if you're trying to set up some sort of defense with a title like Mahou Shoujo Site as a good example of wrong percepction by the audience, you're doing it wrong. Because calling Mahou Shoujo Site melodramatic and unrealistic is like giving it a compliment. It's the most farfetched asspull I've seen in quite a while. The characters are not characters, they are caricatures of the worst of human nature, from the Pyschopath Onichan, to his doormat sister to the sadistic big boobed Rina. And for the record I did complete it out of pure morbid curiosity just to reinforce that this was nothing more than an edgefest to fill out the needs for very special audience in search for torture porn and justice porn. Now back to the Koto anime. The events are all very hamfisted in order to reach the pseudo satisfactory friendship of Kudou & Takezo at the end of the episode after their bitter trip thru the bully lane. The double framing events on Kudou just reinforces the bad overused cliche that adults are useless or narrowminded in order to make the younger cast shine. Real adults aren't that careless or obtuse as the author tries to portray in this work of bad fiction. |
Apr 10, 2019 2:45 AM
#118
Apr 10, 2019 2:24 PM
#119
the main chracter should man up ........ he is just a ghost for now |
Apr 10, 2019 6:21 PM
#120
Aww man this was better then expected. I enjoyed episode one and I am looking forward to the rest of this series. |
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Apr 10, 2019 11:03 PM
#121
I'm always down for a good school drama, and knowing that there's already a second season confirmed makes it all the better especially if I end up really enjoying this |
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Apr 11, 2019 2:07 PM
#122
Apr 11, 2019 8:28 PM
#123
I've been desperate for a new anime about unlikely friendship <3 |
Apr 12, 2019 2:32 AM
#124
the first episeode was very interesting episode,, there some dark past between two character,, and these character was very different each other,, but thats make the anime is interesting,, the one is weak character who always fail doing anything what he want,, and the other was the boy who doing what he want but end hated by everyone arround him and dont have anyone to believe,, this really touching show when kudo crying in last scene,, and this so valueable to have someone who believe in you, help and support you from back.. and the anime has a comedy make this not boring to watch,, i love this episode |
Apr 12, 2019 5:06 PM
#125
I wanted to just talk about the instrument about I just saw people arguing about who knows about bullying in a foreign country more |
Apr 13, 2019 12:07 AM
#126
Apr 14, 2019 5:51 AM
#127
Definitely a bit on the melodramatic side, but nice start nonetheless. |
Apr 15, 2019 1:10 PM
#128
MORE YELLING IN THIS EPISODE THAN IN YOUR TYPICAL BATTLE SHOUNEN. That being said this looks ultra cheap. |
Apr 17, 2019 7:16 AM
#129
Apr 17, 2019 1:48 PM
#130
It's bound to feel disappointing for those who read the manga before. It's decent but doesn't leave as much impressions. I'll watch it anyway. Wanna hear real Koto playing. Ending theme was nice. |
Apr 24, 2019 7:28 PM
#131
Bad start. First, I fucking hate Takezou. He is starting to piss me off, "violence is bad" my ass Also, I was pretty annoyed by how they treated Kudou. The show tries too hard in that aspect. |
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May 3, 2019 6:16 AM
#133
I think I know why this anime rated so low compared to it's manga.. Although it's cliche, I think this start is quite good storywise.. But this episode has many things wrong, like framing and character dialogues.. Yes, maybe it could be better if they slowed it down a bit, but I think it would be also fine if they cut unnecessary parts and dialogues ... |
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May 4, 2019 11:16 AM
#134
I remember that there was something annoying about manga but everything else was kinda making up for it... and the first anime episode? just utterly annoying. the only hope is the koto playing parts it seems. just so generic, wow. it's 2019 come on @Kimurah your posts revitalized my brain cells thank you. |
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May 14, 2019 6:48 AM
#135
wolfshade09 said: Not sure if people who read the manga just knew what they were getting into but the first episode was kind of a disappointment to me. Was hoping to come into a show that revolved around some interesting characters and a musical instrument i wasn't familiar with, but it started out like an unoriginal soap opera-esque anime that throws so many tropes at you that 4 min in i could guess the exact plot of the episode. Not sure if everything gets more unique and dynamic later on but i felt the show played off its title to be something kinda different and instead just used its unique point (the koto) as an interchangeable maguffin to move the very stereotypical story along with its cookie cutter characters. All in all was just a middle ground show to me with nothing very compelling or standoutish in the first episode to drive me to keep watching, and i was just really hoping for something more. Maybe it gets better down the line, will hang around for another episode or two to see I'd have to agree with this. I also kind of felt that they tried to cram too much backstory into one episode, and overall it just didn't come together for me. Maybe it gets better, but I have other priorities for now. |
May 27, 2019 12:14 AM
#136
Man, talking about being overdramatic and unrealistic regarding that much violence happening inside of what it seems to be a "decent" high school. Not to mention that the way the teachers and officers, as authorities, acted was very incompetent to say the least. I also didn't expect that much comedy. It's not a bad point but its contrast with the serious aspect of the episode made it felt a bit dissonant for moments. Overall, it was a pretty bad start. I just hope the next episode are less exaggerated or at least, I hope they can handle the drama in a more decent way. |
Jun 9, 2019 8:43 AM
#137
Great first episode. Good thing I decided to start despite the kind of low rating on MAL. |
Jun 17, 2019 3:06 AM
#138
Jun 21, 2019 12:50 PM
#139
Aug 11, 2019 7:42 AM
#140
This was generic as fuck, but let's see where this is going. Can't wait for some girls to enter this sausage fest. |
Oct 14, 2019 4:33 PM
#141
Pretty strong first episode, managed to paint two characters and their forming relationship in a single stroke. Was quick but I wouldn't even call it rushed. Let's aim for nationals yo. |
Feb 6, 2020 3:26 AM
#142
Mar 30, 2020 4:27 PM
#143
Beautiful! I like it a lot so far, even if it's a little cliche. Love how we're presented with both Takezo and Kudo's story in this one episode, and tied it together at the end. The music is nice too, can't wait to know the theme song of this series, it's probably going to be that song that's passed down for generations for that Koto club. |
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May 12, 2020 5:49 PM
#144
Nice first episode, good characters good background, it seems interesting |
Aug 22, 2020 6:53 PM
#145
I probably wouldn't have given a show like this a chance 6 months ago. I'm glad I'm not a "brat" like that any longer. Because after just reading the description on MAL, I actually thought to myself, "I'm sure I'll like this." And I did. The story with Kudo and his grandfather was rough. Those thugs essentially killed his grandfather. That's really hard to get over. But I'm going to like these koto guys growing as friends, hiding their true feelings from each other in embarrassment, and constantly butting heads. I do hope Kudo tones it down a little, though. That might be a bit too much for me after a while. But 7 or 8/10 for me so far. |
Sep 26, 2020 2:57 PM
#146
Oct 12, 2020 2:50 AM
#147
The drama they tried to put into Chika’s life feels unrealistic. Maybe because of that framing incident was so stupid. I don’t know but the first episode feels like there’s a lot happened but nothing were told in a very good manner. |
Jan 10, 2021 1:32 AM
#148
I feel like they crammed a lot in this first episode that I felt no sympathy or empathy for Chika and Takezou in the end. And Chika is a tsundere. LOL |
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Oct 27, 2021 4:44 AM
#149
Lot of things in the first episode itself, haven't read the manga so don't know whether it was actually like that there too or not. Chika's a bit annoying but looks like he really wants to learn koto. |
Jan 3, 2022 8:41 AM
#150
Cute first ep. The grandfather tho ;A; |
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