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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I must say, this was an interesting aftermath of the recent events. More importantly we got see some background storytelling about Bai Yin and Francine. Anyways, I thought the episode itself was important but still had goofy moments. Not to mention, the puppeters in this show continues to prove their mysterious ways in relations to the main story and character connections. The character designs of those two really look similar to Shirogane and Narumi lol (not too surprising considering the ancestor history) |
Stark700Dec 6, 2018 8:40 AM
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| Finally we've reached the point where Shirogane and Guy get their teacher-student backstory! Albeit for a quick glimpse... Back to Narumi's case...it's quite fascinating to see Shirogane and Francine's design look damn similar...and then Bai Yin and Narumi's aesthetics, it felt like this episode we travel back in time to understand the plight. And then, the humor moments were exactly just like how the current Shirogane X Narumi were established so at least there's a good sense of relief. Stark700 said: The character designs of those two really look similar to Shirogane and Narumi lol (not too surprising considering the ancestor history) Looks like a history lesson learnt, from as long as how we started learning about both of them, from their grievous past. In the end, the brotherhood of Jin and Yin fell apart, and I'm gonna assume that's what formed the present day shirogane vs. automata battle. |
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| Great episode with ample amount of backstory and storytelling at a very hasty but well-directed pace! On one side, Masaru and Eleonore(Shirogane) have moved forward from the short and eventful reunion with Narumi. It was nice to see Shirogane and Masaru’s little conversation there dwelling on this matter, and it looks like little Masaru has also figured out Shirogane’s true feelings for Narumi! Lol, the following “I like you, too” part was also nice and very sweet! Way to go, lil Masaru! Seems like Guy has washed up ashore to Japan now too and the revelation of him being Shirogane’s teacher was foreshadowed earlier so not too much of a surprise there. It was nice to hear that he was around and very kind to her during those harsh training sessions. Seems very Guy like, though. I’m glad he’s joined the Circus now, too, I can’t wait to see what he has in store for us! Masaru setting off on a journey there at the end sure was a hasty decision to make to say the least but we can safely assume Shirogane and Guy will follow him since Guy spotted him leaving. On the other hand, Narumi and Lucille travelled to China to meet Narumi’s old teacher only to hear the shocking revelations that he’s been infected with the ZONAPHA Syndrome. Shocking, indeed! On another note, I have a feeling Narumi and his teacher’s daughter never got along well given how their character interactions were shown. Intriguing details thrown in here too regarding the Aqua Vitae, or the ‘Water of Life’. Narumi is still mentally confused about everything at hand and it’s no wonder why. Fast forward and suddenly we ended up two hundred years ago where we meet the Bai brothers and Francine, Shirogane's doppelgänger(?). The whole transition, rather change in direction, was pretty well done although it felt a little odd of sorts. Perhaps it was due to the really fast pace. Yin and Jin’s interactions initially were very pleasing to watch! Moving to Prague to learn Alchemy in relevance to Puppeteering really gives off a bad feeling in this show and the finale there just proved why. Yin is definitely not happy with Jin’s course of actions here, some extreme facial expressions I must say though. I’m guessing this is what caused the automata v shirogane rivalry that we see that’s going on currently. Jin realising Francine’s dark secret and just the buildup to that scene was depressing and pitiful. Francine really is an angel, who would’ve thought she was a slave previously though. It sure took me by surprise! That thief mark looks really terrible, but that’s what happens when you’re too kind and have a wide heart, as Jin pointed out. I really hope she finds some true happiness now! All in all, a very eventful(perhaps a touch too many, but this episode didn’t feel as unsatisfying as the last) episode and I’m highly looking forward to seeing what next this show has in store for us! It’s been 1/4 of the whole show now and things are looking really great! Bad news is, though, that the pacing of the show is really starting to accelerate, especially in the last few episodes. It was already fast from the get-go but it’s just in the recent episodes that the episodes feel a little too eventful of sorts. Please, I really hope they don’t mess this up! |
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| so even the kid left for his own journey and we get to see the past...nice to see alternative version or elene and Narumi... she looks so different when she smiles |
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| Well, what to say? Is that the beginning? The beginning of what leads to the suffering of many people? Jealousy and envy over a woman? Hasn't a few wars started in our world because of the same thing or many suffer? |
| What's wrong with that flashback???? If you're Chinese during the renaissance, you've be discriminated upon and be mad fun of. Alchemy was considered heretic and those who practices it would have been burned at the Stakes. Chinese have their own alchemy and even more precise than in Europe. Chinese wouldn't be able to learn how to speak slav that fast. |
| Really interesting episode with loads of backstory. |
| An interesting episode with a lot of backstory. |
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| Another awkwardly convoluted episode filled to the brim with exposition. Still better, and more interesting than the one in the hospital though. Since Shirogane was the one to rescue Guy it is only a matter of time before he tells her that Narumi is alive, right? And I don't know how a kid as smart as Masaru thought that going somewhere alone to 'face his past' was a good idea, when he knows that there are still people out there trying to kill him, and that he would make Shirogane worry. And it seems that Narumi, Shirogane, and, I don't know, half of the cast came from the same ancestors, if that Yin, and Francine ever had kids because they are pretty much carbon copies of them. And I got the impression that Narumi remembered his master who has a 'gaze' as creepy as Lucille. Isn't he supposed to have amnesia right now? Anyways, those two seemed like really close brothers too, I guess that 'love' can do something like that, but it was so abrupt, it was like he became another person from one frame to another. Was his relationship with his brother this fragile? It just feels weird. |
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| Beautiful episode. The end was even better, when we see that the brother was also in the church. After so many good episodes, it makes me wonder why he is not more popular than now. 5/5 |
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| Damn, good episode, that backstory of the Ancestors tho. Francine was so damn cute <3. I need more of this 4/5 |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| The yin/Jin story was really interesting. Jin sure was really pissed the way he showcased that ugly face, but I don't really blame Yin for betraying his brother like that Francine is an angel. She's beautiful inside and outside, a true perfection of a true woman that any man would be lucky to have. I wonder where this is going and I bet it will be interesting? Great great episode, |
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| Hands down my favorite episode of the series yet! It seems to have found its feet since the episodes since Narumi's 'death' have been a bit all over the place. Also, if Francine and Yin aren't reincarnations (or at least ancestors of) Shirogane and Narumi I WILL EAT MY SHOES. |
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| oh lawd, some shit about to go down |
| Don't believe the hype. |
| That transition for Narumi felt like they skipped a whole bunch of material, he was there by the plane and then he's suddenly in China with some new girl, felt a bit awkward. Other than that, great episode. Seems we now know what was the root of all this evil with puppets. |
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| I'm so weak to episodes where genuinely good hearted characters are given the middle finger from life. p.s that other brother is an asshole. |
| the whole younger brother gets girl and older brother goes berserk, doesnt appeal. 1/5 yin is some brother, even though he knew jin loved francine he was a dog and shit on jins feelings. now because of his selfish thinking theres gonna be some shit backstory to either aqua vitae or zonapha syndrome. |
| This episode was adorable, but holy fuck was that ending ominous |
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Nembu said: the whole younger brother gets girl and older brother goes berserk, doesnt appeal. 1/5 yin is some brother, even though he knew jin loved francine he was a dog and shit on jins feelings. now because of his selfish thinking theres gonna be some shit backstory to either aqua vitae or zonapha syndrome. Anyone who goes berserk over not getting the girl is mentally inept. Jin doesn't deserve her. Also there is no way Jin has the heart to take care of the people she cares about. Not with that mentality. |
| Very interesting backstory episode. |
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| Oh Gawd - the Curse of Shonen Action Stories... Melodramatic Flashbacks... |
Killuan said: Nembu said: the whole younger brother gets girl and older brother goes berserk, doesnt appeal. 1/5 yin is some brother, even though he knew jin loved francine he was a dog and shit on jins feelings. now because of his selfish thinking theres gonna be some shit backstory to either aqua vitae or zonapha syndrome. Anyone who goes berserk over not getting the girl is mentally inept. Jin doesn't deserve her. Also there is no way Jin has the heart to take care of the people she cares about. Not with that mentality. that's the point, this whole cliche younger brother vs older is annoying. the fact that they make jin go berserk because of something so simple is retarded. Honestly there could've been a better way that jin went berserk. Also jin seemed like a good older brother? He could've taken care of francine properly if he got her. |
Nembu said: Also jin seemed like a good older brother? He could've taken care of francine properly if he got her. He seemed like it, but the fact that he went retarded over something so stupid kind of proves that he's not, doesn't it? I think Yin had more faith in his brother than that. And didn't realize he would go berserk over not getting the girl. I mean if they both love Francine, shouldn't she be together with the one she wants to be with the most? I'm not arguing that it was a stupid reason to go berserk, only that Jin is incredibly selfish and it's only evident when he doesn't get his way. And I don't particularly think Yin did anything wrong because they both met Francine at the same time and Yin saw a side to Francine that made him love her for more than just superficial reasons. |
KilluanDec 7, 2018 10:10 PM
Killuan said: He seemed like it, but the fact that he went retarded over something so stupid kind of proves that he's not, doesn't it? I think Yin had more faith in his brother than that. And didn't realize he would go berserk over not getting the girl. I mean if they both love Francine, shouldn't she be together with the one she wants to be with the most? I'm not arguing that it was a stupid reason to go berserk, only that Jin is incredibly selfish and it's only evident when he doesn't get his way. And I don't particularly think Yin did anything wrong because they both met Francine at the same time and Yin saw a side to Francine that made him love her for more than just superficial reasons. jin starts off as a good brother but if he didn't go berserk over francine and something more logical i would've been much more understanding. the fact that he goes insane over something that can be easily solved is what i'm arguing about. i don't have anything against yin and francine. i just think things would've turned out better if that wasn't the cause so that yin wouldn't have to think his brother is mentally challenged and have to fight with him for some dumb reason? i know the point is that jin is supposed to look selfish and yin is supposed to be the good guy, but the whole reasoning for everything makes me feel so shit. |
TheFreycook said: This episode was adorable, but holy fuck was that ending ominous True, I'm getting an NTR vibes lol that little brother was crazy, and he looks like Guy (Elenore's sensei) |
Nembu said: Killuan said: He seemed like it, but the fact that he went retarded over something so stupid kind of proves that he's not, doesn't it? I think Yin had more faith in his brother than that. And didn't realize he would go berserk over not getting the girl. I mean if they both love Francine, shouldn't she be together with the one she wants to be with the most? I'm not arguing that it was a stupid reason to go berserk, only that Jin is incredibly selfish and it's only evident when he doesn't get his way. And I don't particularly think Yin did anything wrong because they both met Francine at the same time and Yin saw a side to Francine that made him love her for more than just superficial reasons. jin starts off as a good brother but if he didn't go berserk over francine and something more logical i would've been much more understanding. the fact that he goes insane over something that can be easily solved is what i'm arguing about. i don't have anything against yin and francine. i just think things would've turned out better if that wasn't the cause so that yin wouldn't have to think his brother is mentally challenged and have to fight with him for some dumb reason? i know the point is that jin is supposed to look selfish and yin is supposed to be the good guy, but the whole reasoning for everything makes me feel so shit. Well in the end, the only part I disagree with and why I commented is this: "yin is some brother, even though he knew jin loved francine he was a dog and shit on jins feelings." It sortof paints Yin as the bad younger brother for falling in love with Francine and not giving her to the older brother. |
prudislav said: JiangHaoyi1979 said: What's wrong with that flashback???? If you're Chinese during the renaissance, you've be discriminated upon and be mad fun of. Alchemy was considered heretic and those who practices it would have been burned at the Stakes. not during the rule of Rudolf II known exccentric king who made Prague to centre of alchemy and similar practices during that time and invited ton of Interesting stuff: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_II%2C_Holy_Roman_Emperor?wprov=sfla1 I'm sure Narumi's sensei said the brothers lived 200 years ago though which would be 200 years after his reign, but it seems his legacy continued after he died. JiangHaoyi1979 said: Chinese wouldn't be able to learn how to speak slav that fast. It not realistic, but it's poetic license to skip boring stuff. Otherwise you'd need an episode of them learning to speak the lingo. I find it more weird that you have French, Czechs and Chinese all speaking Japanese, but you have to switch that part of the brain off otherwise it would drive you crazy. Although it gets even weirder in cases like Banana Fish where the Japanese character is trying to teach the American character Japanese when he's been fluent in it all along! |
| Holy shit, Francine was a maximum cutie. Too bad it's obviously all gonna go to hell next ep. |
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| A bit of a letdown lately. This series keeps making the contrast between angelic characters (let it be this girl or just little kids laughing) and suffering in such a blatant and reiterative way. It can work a few times but it already comes as an unsavory resource. The neck breaking pace and overall lack of focus isn't helping either. |
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| This episode has too much storytelling about the Ancestor Alchemist! It got me sleepy because of sleep deprivation! 4/5. |
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| This episode was so crowded with the most classic melodrama that for a minute I had the impression that I was reading Hugo or Dumas. |
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| All this take about Qing and alchemy is giving me FMAB flashbacks. Anyway, poor Jin, I feel like nobody is at fault here. His brother, Yin, did know about his feelings but he couldn't help himself. Anyway, if Francine didn't feel the same way, she wouldn't have accepted his marriage proposal. It was pretty sad seeing those impoverished people happy with the moldy bread that Francine gave them. They probably haven't eaten for days maybe even a week or more and that was all they got but they were still thankful. Francine is so kind to others despite people being so shitty towards her. |
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| Hated this episode for some reason. I don't know what's wrong with this anime but it just doesn't click with me, it has a lot of things that indicate it's a good show but just as much it has things that irritate me. I'm confused. |
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Francys said: Ten said: Hated this episode for some reason. I don't know what's wrong with this anime but it just doesn't click with me, it has a lot of things that indicate it's a good show but just as much it has things that irritate me. I'm confused. Same. This episode felt forced in so many ways that i almost considered dropping it. Well, I did drop after 11th episode. It might be not bad in general but personally, it's like something is wrong with this anime and I don't feel like forcing myself through this. |
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| Francine was a true saint! |
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| Bai Yin and Francine look very similar to Narumi and Shirogane, almost like ancestors. Francine cares more about others, similar to Narumi. Yin's brother also loved Francine, and he doesn't appear to be feeling too great about losing her to his brother. He appears to be cracking up. |
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| This episode really felt like a lot has been skipped over after the last episode Feels a bit weird to see the character designs being reused for an old story, but pretty interesting to see it unfold like that |
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| Jin went crazy for Francine before he even squeezed the grapes and drank the wine. Imagine just how far off the deep end he'd be if he'd actually done that. |
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