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| Barely even knew who he was, so who cares... |
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| Can someone kill this Jerid-bitch already? He's easily one of the worst characters I've ever seen... he shoots & kills Apollie and how does he justify it? "Its war", well then why the hell are you seeking revenge from Kamille for killing your friends in that same war? When you kill its war, when others kill its not? And you killed the boys mother too for fuck's sake... but then again why would you remember that, not even Kamille does... why oh why can't characters act a little bit more consistently in this goddamn series? The only consistent character is Basque and thats because he is more one-dimensional than a straight line... |
| Poor Apolly. At least he can finally join his buddy Roberto who died thirty five episodes back. |
| Apolyyyyyyyyyyy!! Nooo!! I so much hate Jerid now! |
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| Katsu = pain in the ass |
Alas86 said: Can someone kill this Jerid-bitch already? He's easily one of the worst characters I've ever seen... he shoots & kills Apollie and how does he justify it? "Its war", well then why the hell are you seeking revenge from Kamille for killing your friends in that same war? When you kill its war, when others kill its not? And you killed the boys mother too for fuck's sake... but then again why would you remember that, not even Kamille does... why oh why can't characters act a little bit more consistently in this goddamn series? Well, just look at it this way. They're using stuff like this for establishing the fact that Jerid is a hypocrite. It's not that they can't write decent characters, it's just that they wanted to portray one of the characters as a hypocrite. |
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| So unfair. Apolly dies and the enormously annoying Katz lives! |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| I don't get why Reccoa keeps saying she left because she was a woman. Is it because Scirocco gives her attention and Char didn't? Even though Scirocco is a kinniving a-hole... anyway, badass music at the end with Haman there. I love her despite her being evil and all. |
| Reccoa's excuse is as bad as her actions |
| Apolly TT_TT,,,, Man I wish Kamille would just merc Jerid's bitch-ass already! Now he's killed another good man! And, I'm getting sick of Reccoa! She used to be one of my fav characters, but now she's just another one of Scirocco's whores! I wish they would just turn her into a cyber newtype so she can experience real pain, and go insane! NEEDZ MOAR CHILD ROSSAMI!! I wish she would go back to the Argama, and play with Kinta and Shun! Urahara Out!! |
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| Somebody kill Katz, Reccoa and Jerid PLEASE! Reccoa is more of a hypocrite than Jedrid ever was.. |
inan said: God damn, this show is slipping hard. I thought the story last episode was convoluted: this is even more so, and the drama is incredibly forced and unengaging. Reccoa's actions made no sense. I never followed the 'there is politics but separate from that, there are men and women'-thing at all. All I'm missing is probably some misogynistic comment towards women anyways, so I guess I won't concern myself too badly. If you want to stereotype women, 'what woman would not join Char Aznable's side, regardless of his twisted morality' would be far more accurate. Err-- oh no, generic blond Gundam rival #007. I somehow missed Apolly as a guy name until now. Apolly? |
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| Good episode with the collision, poor Apolly though. I do hope that Jerid finally dies before this show is done, how the hell he has survived this far is beyond a joke considering every time he faces Kamille he comes out the end looking like the loser. |
| Reccoa needs to die already. |
| I love how Camille just goes into ragemode when Apolly died. You have been in war 45 episodes so friends dying should be normal thing now and not espicially rageworthy event... Katz is annoying. |
| If I had a dollar for every time Jerid says he'll "take care of Kamille" only to end up escaping with a damaged Mobile Suit, I'd have a LOT of dollars. |
parfaited said: FUCK YOU RECCOA. Why aren't you dead yet?!!?! omg all of these characters are making me rage and then they go and kill the sensible ones like Apolly... I'm only watching this for Char, Bright (he's still a boss even though he isn't slapping brats around like he used to), and Haman now. Oh and the little girl- Mineva because she's sassy despite her age. Everyone else is free to die as quickly as possible. Pretty much how I feel. Emma isn't too bad either, so I'll give her a chance. But, man, how far Katz has fallen. He's become such an annoying tit. When you're getting slapped by Kamille of all people you need to re-evaluate yourself. |
| I can't wait until Jerid dies. |
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| Amazing episode, but lots facepalming in some scenes. I don't mind Jerid since he's just out there for revenge. Even though some of the things he says are hypocritical, at least he's gotten past being a baby and actual would just go out and fight without any regret. What we need to kill is fucking Katz. Seriously why the fuck is this idiot in the space with Char and Kamille in the first place!?! We already have gotten past immature brats back with Kamill and Amuro. Why the hell do they keep adding another one in the last minute?? He piloting sucks, complains a lot that he doesn't understand anything, he wants to pilot mech early on, yet when it comes to actual real war he chickens out and refuses to help his comrades. I'm freaking glad Kamille bitch slap this stupid kid. I was hoping he would give a beating like what Char did with Kamille. I don't know how many times Sarah has managed to escape once again from the prison cell. Do they have not any guards or anything?? And what about the Mobile Suits?? Do seriously just let anyone go in and steal it out of the open like that?? Reccoa is just living what she think is right. Even though it is hypocritical and bastard of her to betray her friends just to get what she needs. Sarah is less annoying, but i can't forgive her for trying to distract Kamille in the middle of battle. Poor Apolly, getting killed like that. This wouldn't have happened if that stupid Katz weren't there. I did lol'd when Jerid says "This is War" while posing in the front of the camera. Damn those rocks are deadly as hell, glad they made it out alive. Looks like Char will be having another deal with Haman once more. I hope Char can take this humiliation once more. Please strap Katz with a time bomb and kick him out of the Radish. Someone just kill this stupid brat. Can't wait for the next episode! With only 5 episodes remaining, i hope they don't give any more screen time with that stupid brat. |
| I can't even remember what apolly looked like. Maybe they killed him off cause they were tired of forgetting he existed too. |
| Haman is a bitch, but goddamnit, she is efficient! She joined the war long after it started, yet managed to get full control over it. |
| Sarah sucks. (a bit less than average, but still) Jerid sucks. Katz sucks. Major. ASS. Don't even let me get started on this sorry excuse of a human being that is Reccoa. Phuc Dat Bich, seriously. Man, rarely in my life have I ever seen such a conglomerate of lame and unlikable characters in a single work of fiction. Can't believe Apolly died and somehow all of these failures are still alive and kicking. "I think she's living the life of a woman..." Are you by chance implying that latching onto the first asshole ready to give you the time of day and leading a pathetic existence completely devoid of purpose and filled with lies, hypocrisy, misplaced sense of entitlement and self-delusion is the kind of life a woman actually aspires to, Fa? What the holy fucking jesus christ on a mercedes benz were you thinking when you wrote this shit, Tomino? At this point the only thing that kept me from punching through my computer screen was the fact that Emma seemed to disagree. sevenay said: Well, yeah, I think that's exactly the reason why. She's trying to justify her terrible and selfish decisions by using some dumb gender essentialist argument: "Well, can't help myself, because that's how women are. All we really want is to get a strong man's attention." That way she doesn't have to take responsibility for her actions, even if said actions involve gasing an entire colony.I don't get why Reccoa keeps saying she left because she was a woman. Is it because Scirocco gives her attention and Char didn't? Even though Scirocco is a kinniving a-hole... That's just ridiculous. Haman and Char still give me hope that the following episodes won't be utterly ruined by the other terrible characters. |
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| I feel like 50 episodes is way too much for this series. Every now and then there are great episodes, and most of them aren't terrible, but the anime ends up reusing scenarios over and over and the characters develop at a dead snail's pace (take a drink every time someone betrays the A.E.U.G and Kamille/Katz/Fa are unable to kill them) |
| Hamaan is the only character who helps the series to progress toward a (semi?) conclusion. Like she had been added in at the last second because the creators realized nothing had really happened except characters stories and little useless battles. I thank her for that. I like the character but still dislikes the person: how she made a poor war orphan into her own little puppet queen, and her probably imperialist goals. Great to see the wise Bright in command: he wants to use the occasion to estimate the military power of the Axis. After all, Zeon is THE ennemy. But why is it impossible? -_- I wasn't expecting Appolly's death after so long. He survived until now, too bad. What is this excuse from Reccoa? She became a sect follower because she's a woman?! How to fulfil one's existence as a woman: to blindly do everything a guru asks and to discard any believing/opinion. That's a great way to live indeed! Fa's view was disappointing, at least Emma saved her sexe from stupidity. I absolutely disliked the vision who was exposed here. I hope it is something coming from the character because of her story (like some sect followers who justify their allegiance with the fact their family/friends/other persons were'nt able to understand and accept them), and not from the creator because of some twisted opinion of him. 4/5 June 21, 2020 Stupidly expressed, indeed, but I appreciated what it was willing to show (despite hating the fact it was put into female characters mouths). I guess Tomino's second attempt at developing ideas about females, V, won't sit well with you. |
Rei_IIIJun 21, 2020 12:58 AM
| In MSG, which was mostly devoid of war crimes and had two very ideological and honorable (although horrible) sides, the main character kills everyone indiscriminately. Kamille is fighting a war that is basically two sides throwing WMD's at each other, hoping to kill as many as possible and still refuses to degenerate into a mindless killer, despite the fact that his allies are urging him to do so. That is legitimately interesting. |
| "I will become his world and will make him my world" - You really should know who said this. "Firing at unarmed citizens is a feat that those without courage and a chivalrous spirit simply cannot accomplish." - Oskar von Reuenthal "No way Spirited Away is better than Akira. NO WAY." - Kanye West |
| Great episode! Only 5 episodes left. |
| Another great episode! Looking forward for the next episode! |
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| Really a battle to lick your fingers, intense and well-choreographed, even if the characters bore me a little, when they still see surprise for what happens, even considering the fact that they are still too young to be able to have a more detached behavior typical In adult people. RIP Apolly! |
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| Why did the titans not use nukes in that battle? It's clear that they don't care about breaking the now defunct Antartica treaty. |
| All you can hope for in your worldview is consistency |
| A good soldier indeed Capt. Bright. Man Apolly death is on Kamille, Fa & Katz, their focus was not in the skirmish (two of them trying to bring back a traitor & murderer [she helped in the killing of thousands {laser attack on a colony & gas attack on another} and the other thinking with his other head] you would expect them even if they are principal cast members to suffer the consequences of their behavior but nope a minor (but a good one) was the one because he was babysitting them. *Sigh* R.I.P. Apolly Bay... On a side note: It is a shame that Haman was introduced later in this show... she is far more interesting to the story (her plotting & she is smart) it would have been far better to see her trying to outdo Paptimus & vice versa earlier in this anime. |
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Temujin26S said: That’s a really interesting way to look at it. In retrospect I do believe I might have been particularly harsh on this episode due to how much I despise Reccoa as a character and as a person, but you're right in that Tomino definitely tried to bring to light different ways for women to cope with playing an active part in a war. It’s still infuriating to watch but it definitely is worth analysing.Sapewloth said: Sarah sucks. (a bit less than average, but still) Jerid sucks. Katz sucks. Major. ASS. Don't even let me get started on this sorry excuse of a human being that is Reccoa. Phuc Dat Bich, seriously. Man, rarely in my life have I ever seen such a conglomerate of lame and unlikable characters in a single work of fiction. Can't believe Apolly died and somehow all of these failures are still alive and kicking. "I think she's living the life of a woman..." Are you by chance implying that latching onto the first asshole ready to give you the time of day and leading a pathetic existence completely devoid of purpose and filled with lies, hypocrisy, misplaced sense of entitlement and self-delusion is the kind of life a woman actually aspires to, Fa? What the holy fucking jesus christ on a mercedes benz were you thinking when you wrote this shit, Tomino? At this point the only thing that kept me from punching through my computer screen was the fact that Emma seemed to disagree. You make good points but I like that about Zeta you see the difference and contrast between the female characters, at the end of episode Emma mention's she doesn't doesn't buy into Reccoa's way of thinking. Its a sort rivalry in show especially how gender focused it is, it really encompasses one of the lesser focused on rivalries in Zeta., one of those strict differences that really shows the ideas that Tomino is trying to present regarding the characterization of women in war narratives. Reccoa is someone seeking masculine safe spaces, willing to do anything and everything to assume a role of submissive carelessness and delegating all her faults out to the inability of others to look out for and nurture her. She believes its her duty as a woman to do right by a man who protects her though she will distance herself from her actions because it's not her doing the bad things, it's either Scirocco's fault or Quattro's This rings true with some females in society today. While Emma is someone who has her own ideals about the situation at hand and is willing to defect for the sake of others, not herself. She's always keeping her friends and even her commanders in line with a firm hand, providing a mentor-ship that doesn't have her depending on masculine approval or designating herself to function as someone else's mother, also accepting responsibilities for her actions. |
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| Apolly can now be reunited with his nakama Roberto in pilots heaven. RIP. How the fuck did Sarah get put of that cell anyway? |
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| What's the point of even having a brig if everyone put into just escapes. I'm trying to remember if this was the third or fourth time Sarah has escaped the Arguma. I can understand Kamille wanting to get revenge, but calling Jerid a murderer is pretty stupid. Jerid's right. It is war, and the victor is the one who lives. Kamille should know because he has already killed dozens of lives on his own. Kamille Bidan Kill Count: 2 Kill this episode 64 Kills total |
| Don't care for Appoly. But it was a nice episode. It's really a shame that the plot took so long to pick up and now we only have 5 episodes left. |
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| I hate how every time there is a battle prisoner somehow mangaes to escape. And poor Apolly. Katz or Reccoa should have died instead. |
| Nooo!! Not Appoly! Someone is always dying in Rick Dias team. I guess it was a matter of time. |
| ok so first off Katz the horny little brat like honestly he was watching sarah the whole time through the camera lol i wouldnt be surprised if he just started fapping if the other didnt show up when they did katz nees to just go he is so fucking annoying Reccoa she's also really annoying every time she fights someone she always calls out their name and then she always shows herself and she lives like wtf? with 5 eps left she better also die cause the shit she is pulling is really annoying and lastly the titan fool Jerid like this guy should have been dead long ago but nope he keeps coming back and getting free kills like come on.... i hate characters like him and funny enough because of him hes the one that started a trend of characters like him in a lot of other gundam series and i hate them all but like i said hopefully he meets the same fate and one last thing whats even the point in capturing sarah is the same shit keeps happening? she gets caught then a battle starts she gets out of the room shes looked in and then theres always a mobile suit for her to get into ... wtf zeta really like to repeat the same shit huh? anyway 5 eps left hopefully thing end good but will see |
| "one step at a time" |
| That still shot with Mineva playing violin ^_^ Beautiful, even if it was due to the inability of animators to properly animate the scene. Sarah magically escaped the confinement room (maybe the lock was damaged after the hit or something). "Reccoa, are you seriously fighting us?" - Kamille, after Reccoa had already participated in an act of genocide by gassing an entire colony. The talk about men and women in this episode was pretty ridiculous. Press F for Apolly. Never really cared about him, he was just your good-at-everything guy in the background. Still, Kamille seemed more angry about his death than about anybody else in the series. It was also a great artistic move to make 4 characters react to Apolly's death by consecutively placing them in 1/4th of the screen. RIP the Gate of Zedan (who/what is Zedan anyway?) Rei_III said: Stupidly expressed, indeed, but I appreciated what it was willing to show (despite hating the fact it was put into female characters mouths). I guess Tomino's second attempt at developing ideas about females, V, won't sit well with you. Nah, I think that it was just pretty stereotypical of women (though probably common in Japan), and I just dont think that revolving Reccoa's character arc around her (or actually Tomino's) idea of femininity was a great idea. Probably didn't age well too. I'd appreciate it if the cult dynamics were explored in more detail, you can have Reccoa defect and side with the bad guys for more interesting reasons than "I'm a woman and I need a strong man and Char is so inattentive". Though it's also true that cults partially work like that - they give a sense of community. But anyway, there was too little time devoted to this development in the show. |
St0rmbladeJun 21, 2020 6:21 AM
| I like how this anime kills characters I don't care lol. Reccoa is still alive smh. Phaetons_Folly said: What's the point of even having a brig if everyone put into just escapes. I'm trying to remember if this was the third or fourth time Sarah has escaped the Arguma. I can understand Kamille wanting to get revenge, but calling Jerid a murderer is pretty stupid. Jerid's right. It is war, and the victor is the one who lives. Kamille should know because he has already killed dozens of lives on his own. Kamille Bidan Kill Count: 2 Kill this episode 64 Kills total Its the third time Sarah escapes if im correct lol. |
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| Katz would have grown so much if he had killed Sarah there. But he's still a bitch, lol. |
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| This episode almost felt like a recap with all the recycled plots/scenes. Sarah taken prisoner again, Katz being an idiot about her again, Reccoa justifying her actions by spouting gender biased nonsense again... ugh. Haman is a well-written villain so far, but I can't bring myself to cheer for her because of what she's done to Mineva. |
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