| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Ash..the man that has been battling his own personal demons is now recovering. He seems rather popular with the ladies, which isn't that much of a surprise to me. He has the bad boy vibe lol A somewhat slower episode but I'm ok with it. It's a nice breather episode from all the action and drama. Plus, it's nice to see Ash reflecting on his life up to this point but he still has to be careful of assassins. That cliffhanger... |
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| I really liked this episode's adaptation except for one small detail. My only gripe is the IQ score they gave Ash. They kept it at 180 when it should be 200+ at this point in time. It was after this IQ test at the hospital that Ash's IQ was discovered to be at least 200 and not the 180 that was the previous police estimation. The previous estimate was completely cut out of the anime since they cut out the parts where Charlie, Jenkins and other cops put out an APB on Ash to arrest him and labeled him as very dangerous despite his pretty face. So this means that they dumbed Ash down for the anime. I'm not please by this development, MAPPA. |
| Great episode. Looking forward to what will happen in this arc. The OP and ED are beautiful and poignant, but they remind me of what will generally happen ugh |
| I loved the visuals of the new OP. Solid episode. |
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| Oh my XD Ash is very smart when he smells danger aproaching, even if his IQ is too low. Nice one Ash! Golzine's watchdogs doesn't know when to give up, do they? Cowards, they took the oportunity to attack Ash when he's very weak :( "I wonder if he (Golzine) found a good taxidermist" lol that was a good one XD the joke is very good! ... no... don't tell me FBI are sided to Golzine o_o" that's a huge problem! A big big problem!! Nice episode :D can't wait for more! |
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| this doesn't seem to be wrapping up in 10 episodes, they didn't fully adapt vol.9 .. how will the rest of the show go? both new op and ed were great, specially the ed.. the ed makes me thing eiji dies and ash dies right after him. i wonder what'll happen in the hospital |
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The episode ended exactly where volume 9 did. So now we've got 10 more episodes to cover 9-10 volumes. |
hirahira said: The episode ended exactly where volume 9 did. So now we've got 10 more episodes to cover 9-10 volumes. then i made a mistake, i thought it only covered half of it.. thanks. |
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| i loved the ep alot but compered too the manga it is very rushed (=like the tear in the op where the doctors say even soo he killed over 30 people he has still human emotion. or when Max said she didnt knew her patiant too well, and soo on)... the deepnes of a few scenes where lost cause of the rush anyways Banana Fish still best currently best season airing + new op/ (ed is nice).... still liked the old ones way better |
| Oh dang, I wasn't expecting a cliffhanger like that, now everyone thinks Ash is dead. We also got new OP/ED in this episode although I have to say I liked the old ones better. |
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hirahira said: No, Salamak is partially right. They left out a pissed off Max confronting Charlie towards the end of the chapter for letting Ash get taken somewhere else with no safety net. I was looking forward to that scene but figured it would get cut.The episode ended exactly where volume 9 did. So now we've got 10 more episodes to cover 9-10 volumes. |
MetaKite said: hirahira said: No, Salamak is partially right. They left out a pissed off Max confronting Charlie towards the end of the chapter for letting Ash get taken somewhere else with no safety net. I was looking forward to that scene but figured it would get cut.The episode ended exactly where volume 9 did. So now we've got 10 more episodes to cover 9-10 volumes. I wanted to see that scene too but I'm not surprised it was cut. Charlie has had so much of his screentime cut, I almost feel bad for him. I wonder if the anime will ever mention the Charlie/Nadia relationship or if we'll even see Nadia again. |
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| Thinking of reading it because I'm really enjoying it so far. Has it been pretty much the same as the manga so far? Or should I just start from chapter 1 o: |
hirahira said: Very doubtful. I don't even consider them characters in the anime since so much of them has been left out. Same for Jenkins. Charlie being really close to the Chinatown gangs and Nadia's boyfriend gave him some personality and motivation for wanting to get involved with the case. Here they're just cops that occasionally show up as if to be the only NYC detectives in existence. Nadia might as well not exist but she was only mentioned as a motivation for Shorter's betrayal. I can see feminist type groups upset about the lack of female presence in the anime which is so much worse than the manga.I wanted to see that scene too but I'm not surprised it was cut. Charlie has had so much of his screentime cut, I almost feel bad for him. I wonder if the anime will ever mention the Charlie/Nadia relationship or if we'll even see Nadia again. Civori said: Start at chapter 1. The anime cut a ton of stuff in previous episodes including lots of light hearted and funny moments to counteract all of the suffering.Thinking of reading it because I'm really enjoying it so far. Has it been pretty much the same as the manga so far? Or should I just start from chapter 1 o: |
| I think the previous OP and ED were better, but the new OP and ED aren't too bad. I didn't expect for Ash to be pronounced dead, that's a pretty interesting development. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
| Ra-ra-rasputin! Gotta say I'm also camp Old OP/ED. I like the visuals of the new OP but SSTP are just so good my dudes. So good. |
| It was good. The ending was a nice cliffhanger of sorts. The new OP and ED were good but the old ones were phenomenal and so much better. |
| So Yut-Lung's revenge already started, he used the Banana Fish on one of his brothers, and now it seems he has more power, and freedom to act, and that's really cool. And he's also keeping Eiji captured for now, but even though he seems to be irritated by his purity or something, I still dare say that he is in a safe place. I mean, Dino is coming back, and his allies are already moving against Ash. Talking about Ash, he was recovering well, even though he was sexually harassed even in the hospital, he's really a genius, and he has a sharp eye, he never ceases to impress me, but to have to fight on that condition, no wonder death felt so peaceful. But well, Max is trying to expose the truth, but I'm skeptical, I don't know, I think this will only put him, and maybe his family, in danger again, but it's not like they are 100% safe or anything, and he has to do something, so this is also good, I'm just afraid. He wanted to help Ash too, because he realized that he was going to be killed if he remained on that hospital, but now he's declared dead, and he fell in the hands of some crazy, and most certainly perverted, doctor. And now since he is "dead" no one can help him legally like Max wanted to do. And poor Eiji doesn't know anything, and will take it to the heart, but just as Yut-Lung told him that the surgery went well, I'm hoping he will tell him when he finds out that Ash is alive too, I mean, he has to be. And also the OP was awesome, and the new ED is simply GORGEOUS! |
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| Lel, where were nurses like that when I was hospitalized. |
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| Didn't like the new OP neither the new ED, they should have never changed them :( (They are visually stunning tho) Welp, things are looking really bad for Ash right now... I wonder how will he get away from this one. |
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| Damn, what a cliffhanger that was. Solid episode, meanwhile. Ash getting assaulted by one of the assassins of the higher-ups is to be expected, but I must say the way he managed to fight back was valiant. Looks like the higher-ups are up to something mischievous now, let’s see how Ash and company deals with the shocking news! Looking forward to the next epsiode. Nice visuals of the Op and the soothing ED, this time. |
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| This episode felt really densely packed to me. Not in a bad way tho. Anyway new Op and ED are alright. Don't think I'll end up liking them better than the previous, especially not the ED. I'm a bit concerned with how they are gonna wrap this up in 10 episodes. I haven't read the manga but from what people are saying, we've covered 9 volumes in 14 episodes. That is pretty quick, and apparently stuff has been left out, but for the most part the pacing has felt pretty good. it hasn't seemed to negatively impact the anime anyway. But with another 10 volumes left it starts to get pretty sketchy. I'd hate to get another Kids on the Slope where we cut basically the entire last volume and a half out completely for a slightly original ending. |
| The new Opening is really good and the ending is alright. Ash being presumed dead has to do with those fake FBIs and maybe it's Golzine since he's the one that wants him alive to torture to death. I wonder why Yut Lung has kidnapped Eiji for?? He is one cunning bastard and a bit drastic to drug his brother like that. I wonder what will be Eiji's move since Ash was presumed dead. |
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| Some people in the government want Ash dead. I want to know what Yut-Lung wants to do with the drug and Eiji. Everyone thinks Ash is dead, mmmm. |
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Civori said: Thinking of reading it because I'm really enjoying it so far. Has it been pretty much the same as the manga so far? Or should I just start from chapter 1 o: Yeah, except few scenes it is the same. But I recommend you to start from the beginning either way, the manga was splendid. |
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| What a great episode. New OP is just feels, no other way to describe it. ED has beatiful visuals but I think I will get used to the song eventually. Ah, I want next week episode already :( |
| “You are not alone, Ash. I am with you. My soul is with you.” - Eiji Okumura. |
Tsukizono said: ProofByColor said: This episode felt really densely packed to me. Not in a bad way tho. Anyway new Op and ED are alright. Don't think I'll end up liking them better than the previous, especially not the ED. I'm a bit concerned with how they are gonna wrap this up in 10 episodes. I haven't read the manga but from what people are saying, we've covered 9 volumes in 14 episodes. That is pretty quick, and apparently stuff has been left out, but for the most part the pacing has felt pretty good. it hasn't seemed to negatively impact the anime anyway. But with another 10 volumes left it starts to get pretty sketchy. I'd hate to get another Kids on the Slope where we cut basically the entire last volume and a half out completely for a slightly original ending. I haven't read the manga too, but from what I've heard apparently the original manga ending was really "wtf" and made no sense in terms of narrative, so many manga readers want MAPPA to change the ending and cut the last 1-2 volumes. Eh... If people thought the manga's ending is "wtf," I feel like they didn't understand or try to understand Ash's character. In my opinion, the ending makes a lot of sense, though some circumstances around it were a little unnatural (which is something I hope MAPPA fixes). It's also pretty much confirmed that it's not going to change, the new OP kind of spoils it. I know a lot of manga readers really dislike the last arc (last 4 volumes) and I used to dislike it as well, but after going back to it, I do realize why it was written in the way that it was. Regardless, I'm pretty sure the last arc is going to get an overhaul. Volume 16 dragged and in my opinion, is also quite pointless (just a bunch of action), so if MAPPA is going to change events up minimally, I suspect this volume will get cut or trimmed significantly. However, there is a also chance that MAPPA will cut an entire antagonist since he did not appear in the OP. If this is the case, then the last arc will get quite a major re-write but going by the OP, key events will probably remain the same. Volume 19 is also an interesting case because it's actually just a few pages long. The rest of it is populated by two side stories, Angel Eyes and Garden of Light (an epilogue). Angel Eyes is already confirmed to be a Drama CD. Garden of Light is still up in the air and it's also too early to tell if it will be part of this 24 episodes or a separate OVA. But if MAPPA doesn't adapt Garden of Light, then there will be more breathing space for the anime. |
| Is it just me or Ash´s hair is getting longer? His hairstyle was changing in manga as well over a time so I am glad they decided to include it also here. |
| “You are not alone, Ash. I am with you. My soul is with you.” - Eiji Okumura. |
Tsukizono said: I haven't read the manga too, but from what I've heard apparently the original manga ending was really "wtf" and made no sense in terms of narrative, so many manga readers want MAPPA to change the ending and cut the last 1-2 volumes. Lunallae said: I agree. Everyone that hates the end and says it's nonsensical clearly didn't understand Ash as a character and the reasons behind the choices he made. We don't have to like it but it did make sense.Eh... If people thought the manga's ending is "wtf," I feel like they didn't understand or try to understand Ash's character. In my opinion, the ending makes a lot of sense, though some circumstances around it were a little unnatural (which is something I hope MAPPA fixes). It's also pretty much confirmed that it's not going to change, the new OP kind of spoils it. I know a lot of manga readers really dislike the last arc (last 4 volumes) and I used to dislike it as well, but after going back to it, I do realize why it was written in the way that it was. Regardless, I'm pretty sure the last arc is going to get an overhaul. Volume 16 dragged and in my opinion, is also quite pointless (just a bunch of action), so if MAPPA is going to change events up minimally, I suspect this volume will get cut or trimmed significantly. However, there is a also chance that MAPPA will cut an entire antagonist since he did not appear in the OP. If this is the case, then the last arc will get quite a major re-write but going by the OP, key events will probably remain the same. Volume 19 is also an interesting case because it's actually just a few pages long. The rest of it is populated by two side stories, Angel Eyes and Garden of Light (an epilogue). Angel Eyes is already confirmed to be a Drama CD. Garden of Light is still up in the air and it's also too early to tell if it will be part of this 24 episodes or a separate OVA. But if MAPPA doesn't adapt Garden of Light, then there will be more breathing space for the anime. I agree that volume 16 is going to be significantly shorter but I don't think that final antagonist is going to be cut for not being in the new OP. That villain is what brings certain characters together and why someone switches sides. This villain's involvement also determines the ultimate fate of the drug Banana Fish. It would too drastically change the story (and the ending) if that final villain is cut so I don't think that will be the case at all. I'm also very positive that Garden of Holy Light will be an OVA release for when the final anime volume is released on blu-ray. Would have been better if this was a 25 episode series and that would be the final episode. |
| The OP and ED feel much more liberating. As far as the plot is heading, it seems we will get a mad doc lab next. FMmatron said: Lel, where were nurses like that when I was hospitalized. Maybe you weren't hot enough for em? |
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dasprn said: The OP and ED feel much more liberating. As far as the plot is heading, it seems we will get a mad doc lab next. FMmatron said: Lel, where were nurses like that when I was hospitalized. Maybe you weren't hot enough for em? Guess you're right....;_; |
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| Loved this episode. I liked how once again they showed how good Ash is with understanding the environment. |
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MetaKite said: I really liked this episode's adaptation except for one small detail. My only gripe is the IQ score they gave Ash. They kept it at 180 when it should be 200+ at this point in time. It was after this IQ test at the hospital that Ash's IQ was discovered to be at least 200 and not the 180 that was the previous police estimation. The previous estimate was completely cut out of the anime since they cut out the parts where Charlie, Jenkins and other cops put out an APB on Ash to arrest him and labeled him as very dangerous despite his pretty face. So this means that they dumbed Ash down for the anime. I'm not please by this development, MAPPA. I don't know whether you are familiar with the results of IQ-scores but in my opinion, the difference between 180-200 is not that important (also in real life, most test results are presented with a similar degree of variation, for example when I personally was tested, the result was not one clear cut number but two numbers that represented the "level" into which my IQ can be categorized, there was a difference of 10 points) Also I would agree that Ash's IQ must be over 160 but personally I also can't quite shake the feeling that the higher the number, the more unrealistic it seems for a character like Ash to exist. Not to say, that his characterization doesn't fit the profile of 200+ but I already find it hard to suspend my disbelief when I compare the many other qualities his character has, that make him "special" and stand out (e.g. his ethereal beauty and fragile appearance paired with unbelievably good stamina and a superstrong body that is not only equipped with the finest shooting and draftman skills but also has unnatural healing powers/ resilience, coupled with supernatural sixth senses, a keen sense of smell etc. etc. etc.) and adding even more onto that (even if it is "only" a difference of 20 points) just makes it harder to accept (at least for me personally) (I hope I didn't sound too rude/ presumptous) |
Jacksnapp said: MetaKite said: I really liked this episode's adaptation except for one small detail. My only gripe is the IQ score they gave Ash. They kept it at 180 when it should be 200+ at this point in time. It was after this IQ test at the hospital that Ash's IQ was discovered to be at least 200 and not the 180 that was the previous police estimation. The previous estimate was completely cut out of the anime since they cut out the parts where Charlie, Jenkins and other cops put out an APB on Ash to arrest him and labeled him as very dangerous despite his pretty face. So this means that they dumbed Ash down for the anime. I'm not please by this development, MAPPA. I don't know whether you are familiar with the results of IQ-scores but in my opinion, the difference between 180-200 is not that important (also in real life, most test results are presented with a similar degree of variation, for example when I personally was tested, the result was not one clear cut number but two numbers that represented the "level" into which my IQ can be categorized, there was a difference of 10 points) Also I would agree that Ash's IQ must be over 160 but personally I also can't quite shake the feeling that the higher the number, the more unrealistic it seems for a character like Ash to exist. No, I knew someone would point that out. That a score of that high makes little difference and that standards and scoring for those tests have changed in 30 years. It's just that it's brought up as plot point later as being a convenience that for how unlikely that would be to have someone like Ash in the first place. It could use more work but I guess we'll see how they progress the story with the change?. MAPPA hasn't really done great with certain aspects of the plot to help the suspension of disbelief with this update. Audiences just aren't the same and I felt like there is more they could have done to flesh somethings out more. Like giving Ash actual time to heal? Not possible when the story is literally being rushed through. It's been 8 months since Eiji and Ash met but it really doesn't seem like that. Jacksnapp said: See a lot of that has to do with the 80s action movie cliches the manga was rife with. Ash is straight up Rambo when the plot calls for it. His training and skill set is better elaborated on in the manga. In fact, cut from the anime's dialogue is Ash explaining how Golzine was the one to teach him the rules of assassinations. I felt like these little touches helped to explain his almost supernatural gifts but the anime doesn't bother with these little things. Part of why I feel like MAPPA has done a bad job of updating the series. Should have kept it set in the 80s but then they couldn't do cell phone shorts cuts and keep it at 24 episodes...Not to say, that his characterization doesn't fit the profile of 200+ but I already find it hard to suspend my disbelief when I compare the many other qualities his character has, that make him "special" and stand out (e.g. his ethereal beauty and fragile appearance paired with unbelievably good stamina and a superstrong body that is not only equipped with the finest shooting and draftman skills but also has unnatural healing powers/ resilience, coupled with supernatural sixth senses, a keen sense of smell etc. etc. etc.) and adding even more onto that (even if it is "only" a difference of 20 points) just makes it harder to accept (at least for me personally) (I hope I didn't sound too rude/ presumptous) |
| I must say I like new OP and ED a lot (though we all know found & lost and Prayer X are the best no matter what). Both are full of symbols but I'm not going to go into details because all of you manga readers know it's going to kill me with pain. But I must say one thing: Anyway! I loved this episode. I knew Ash is going to wake up after operation so I focused on comedy aspects. And on Ash's fabulousness. And on how much I love Max (which I don't really express. Which is a pity, Max is my favorite character). And we're seeing development in Sing and Yut-Lung's relationship! Have you heard this epic laugh of Jun Fukuyama? I loved it. At this point Sing doesn't really know who Eiji is... *cries in Garden of Light-ish* Oh, by the way, is it me or looking at Arthur's bloody corpse, knowing we will never see him again, is extremely satisfying? |
MetaKite said: I agree. Everyone that hates the end and says it's nonsensical clearly didn't understand Ash as a character and the reasons behind the choices he made. We don't have to like it but it did make sense. I agree that volume 16 is going to be significantly shorter but I don't think that final antagonist is going to be cut for not being in the new OP. That villain is what brings certain characters together and why someone switches sides. This villain's involvement also determines the ultimate fate of the drug Banana Fish. It would too drastically change the story (and the ending) if that final villain is cut so I don't think that will be the case at all. I'm also very positive that Garden of Holy Light will be an OVA release for when the final anime volume is released on blu-ray. Would have been better if this was a 25 episode series and that would be the final episode. I mean, I think each person is definitely entitled to their own opinion of the ending, especially since it, like many things in Banana Fish, is open to all sorts of interpretations. There's a lot reasons to hate it and I imagine there's going to be a lot of discourse about it when the last episode airs. However, I find it incredibly narrow-minded when people disregard the ending by saying it doesn't make sense because it does if one understands Ash's character. I won't go into more detail since now's not really the time to talk about the ending. I don't think so either because the last arc will need a huge overhaul if that's the case. But just speculating a possibility. Yeah... I feel like Garden of Light really finalizes everything. I am hoping it'll be part of the 24 episodes, but it's not very probable at this point. If it isn't part of the main story, I'm fairly certain it'll be an OVA. It's too important to omit completely. |
MetaKite said: I really liked this episode's adaptation except for one small detail. My only gripe is the IQ score they gave Ash. They kept it at 180 when it should be 200+ at this point in time. It was after this IQ test at the hospital that Ash's IQ was discovered to be at least 200 and not the 180 that was the previous police estimation. The previous estimate was completely cut out of the anime since they cut out the parts where Charlie, Jenkins and other cops put out an APB on Ash to arrest him and labeled him as very dangerous despite his pretty face. So this means that they dumbed Ash down for the anime. I'm not please by this development, MAPPA. Thank you! I thought his IQ had been higher than that. I was questioning my memory- couldn't figure out why'd they only lower it to that (I was starting to wonder if I'd imagined the 200+ score). I was afraid they'd dumb him down when he didn't forcefully hack that computer, like he did in the manga. Guess that's what they are trying to do.... |
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FMmatron said: dasprn said: The OP and ED feel much more liberating. As far as the plot is heading, it seems we will get a mad doc lab next. Maybe you weren't hot enough for em? Guess you're right....;_; baby you're hot enuf tho ;_; you jsut have nurses with shite taste |
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