| Pretty much all Japanese live action stuff is shit. Including J-Drama. This probably has to do with the fact that the dramatic and theatrical conventions haven't evolved as much as it has in the east, or their conventions have evolved differently. Probably the latter, we're just not used to it. |
Gesu-Jul 3, 2016 8:23 PM
Thank god somebody said it! My god, I thought American soaps were horrible....try sitting through the cringe fest that is J-Drama! On Topic: Unlike Hollywood that has an insane amount of money and an arsenal of insanely talented actors....Japan has neither and instead of trying to reach a WORLD WIDE audience, they stay local and very niche. The end result is what we see....very low quality. Animation is easier to pull off....less money, and I'm sorry but voice acting is a LOT easier than real life acting....so yeah... |
| They don't have a big budget and the special effects are bad as fuck.. |
| Things: 1. Perfect Blue has a live action version. It adapts the original novel in a different way (apparently more close to the text). Not very good, though, but worth as a curiosity I guess. 2. If you mean only anime/manga/VN adaptations then ok, because the film industry of Japan is far wider than this, and far more prestigious than you are taking into account here. 3. Obligatory "Usagi Drop by Sabu is actually great" reminder. |
| Because it's difficult to transfer some animestuff into RL? Anime follows its own rules and physics. So don't expect them to fit into a realistic environment. Especially when it comes to sci-fi, fantasy, mecha and stuff like that. It becomes automatically cringeworthy/bad/terrible. |
| They're not necessarily "bad" at live action It depends a lot on what kinds of movies/TV series you're watching (e.g. if you compare the acting caliber in a movie like Departures to the one in the Shitneki no Kyojin movies then you'll probably notice there's a pretty big difference between the two) With that being said there are people who think the Japanese movie industry has fallen behind so maybe that statement does contain a grain of truth I personally prefer South Korean cinema but that's just me |
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kamisama751 said: Haven't seen any Kurosawa movies yet so I can't comment on thatI prefer Kurosawa Akira over anything regarding live action. :3 By the way, do you want the special tag over the avatar too? xD What tag? |
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| 1. You claim live-action movies made in Japan are bad but you illustrate your sayings with comics adaptations? 2. Battle Royal was not an adaptation of a manga, but of a novel. The Twilight Samurai / Tasogare Seibe was a great japanese costumed movie I saw a few years ago. The Kurosawa adaptations of Shakespeare are interesting. Another well regarded japanese director is Ôshima, he made Ai no Corida and Ai no Borei (the first tone triggered reactions from offensed people in the world). Furyô is one of my favourite WW2 "camp" movies. Have you ever see any film of Kitano Takeshi? (I mean, the ones he directed like Hanabi) Of course, there are also other great movies (japanese cinema has been influenced but has in return influenced western cinema). edit: Shurayuki-hime / Lady Snowblood could interest you. It is bloody but has a bit more than that. I am talking about the 1973 movie. |
Rei_IIIJul 3, 2016 12:49 PM
kamisama751 said: Sure fam, next time I change my avatar I'll let you knowThe VIP Elitist tag. I recommend you to check some of his movies out. For example: NoiceSeven Samurais Ran Rashomon I recommend Park-Chan wook's vengeance triology |
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| They probably should just stick with adapting sol anime |
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| Well, there is Takashi Miike, he does movies as weird or even weirder than you'll find in weird anime. He did an adaptation of Ichi the Killer, for example. |
| because anime are too out of ordinary to be adapted in RL dimension? (effects, reactions and so on...) Some things only looks good as 2D. Beside, people already cringe at CGI animes so... Then again, the producers will get harsh critics if the live action dont stay faithfull to the original material And before live action trash, look back at hollywood's dragon ball. Speaking of Death note, they're planning to make their own live action. Let's see which one is better: japan's death note 2016 (new plot: 10 years after X's death (idk how to put spoiler) with a good actor line up. Only the teaser is out) and hollywood's version of death note |
| @longshot100 To be fair, you should compare Dragon Ball Evolution with Dragon Ball. Hollywood adapted the manga, it never used the later part of it who became Z. |
| Sorry dude but I think you're watching the wrong movies. Some of the best films I have ever seen are from the land of the rising sun. Check out Confessions, which is probably the best film of the current decade thus far and Kurosawa's movies, which are among the all time greats. Oldboy was amazeballz. |
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| Maybe if you stop glorifying manga and anime that much as the greatest form of japanese storytelling expression and try to watch some original films you may find out how wrong you are. What they lack in special effects they make up for in plot and characterization. Two of the greatest movies I saw in my life, Shinji Aoyama's Eureka and Tetsuya Nakashima's Confessions, were japanese live action. They both have some of the strongest acting I've seen in any film, and Eureka is in fact my all-time second favorite movie. |
GnkJul 3, 2016 1:14 PM
| Well that might be because Mangas are not Adapt friendly when it goes about movies. But the same can also be said about the western ones, I mean just look at The Last airbender and Dragonball evolution............... Plus Video games have it even worse and the best ones are just not bad (like The Warcraft movie for example) |
razortongue said: Well there IS a reason why some people call him "Park-Chan God"Oldboy was amazeballz. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| I had to laugh at the mention of jdramas. I don't know whether their dialogic awkwardness is derived from cultural influences or an evolutionary stagnant acting tradition that worships at the altar of exaggeration, but I do know that no one communicates like that lol. Many of the classic films I've seen, which feature actors and directors of notoriety, aren't nearly as egregious in this area. IMO anime has a way of dampening some of the quirky idiosyncrasies and melodrama of live action. I loved Hana Yori Dango's anime adaption, but my GOD the jdrama....The only good jdramas I've seen usually feature Takuya Kimura - Pride, Beautiful Life, Long Vacation, etc. Much more organic than most Asian drama. |
| Because Japanese actors (not voice actors) lack real experience compared to Keanu Reeves, Jackie Chan or even Sandra Bullock. It's a shame that Japanese live-action movies so far are going still the way of Batman Forever in terms of bad acting and cheesiness. I thought the Lupin live-action movie was gonna rock somewhat and somehow, but it's just typical, live-action trash and an insult to Lupin fans. |
kamisama751 said: Comic_Sans said: Haven't seen any Kurosawa movies yet so I can't comment on thatWhat tag? The VIP Elitist tag. @Comic_Sans please don't go to the dark side! |
| The thing is Japan likes to adapt something that would only work in anime/manga. when they do, it become a cringefest story with a bunch of cosplayers as actors. There are good live action though, -crow zero -Rurouni Kenshin -confession -Hanzawa Naoki -etc- |
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| Maybe because they try to make it too anime-ish. I mean, live action films are a different media and you can't pretend to do it the same way as anime. That's why a lot of faces or acting look really cringey. That's what it looks like to me though. Also I think 20th Century Boys LA wasn't THAT bad. I really liked Kanna Endou for example. The guy that played Kenji did a decent performance too. They are not great films but at least they are kinda watchable. |
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| they exagerate when acting, like with facial expressions and such, there are some good actors but they're few, I hate to admit it but they fail to translate anime into live actions, not even in J-drama, the expressions and reactions look just so fake, sorry to say that -_- I'm only talking about a part of it but not all, there are some good actors but too nad we don't see them that much! |
| Why are Americans so good at live action and shit at anime? |
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ExTemplar said: Why are Americans so good at live action and shit at anime? Huh, Americans are good at anime too! Pls watch Cory in the House. |
| Most anime are unrealistic and over the top and when become live action, it just didn't do well and feel cringe. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Zapredon said: Most anime are unrealistic and over the top and when become live action, it just didn't do well and feel cringe. Do anime voice actors even do live action films often. if ever? |
| Because they don't need to make their own live action entertainment when they can just import ours. And also this: Zapredon said: Most anime are unrealistic and over the top and when become live action, it just didn't do well and feel cringe. Aime set the bar too high and live action can't jump it. Anyhow, I disagree with the assertion that that 20th Century Boys, Gantz, Death Note, and Rurouni Kenshin live action movies are bad/meh. I enjoyed them. In Gantz's case I actually hate the anime and found the live-action version to be surprisingly watchable. |
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| Seems to me, most of the items you are complaining are the live-action adaptation of anime and that will be automatically bound to be a sub par. They are originally anime and we fully aware of this, so a certain degree of bias will therefore be formed if it get adapted into another medium—moreover if we really like this original one—it's just inevitable. But taking that part aside, they are anime and sometimes, there is something that can only or exclusively be done well in animation form and hard to recreate them in live-action with all its limitation. Adapting them into live action is just counter-productive, just my opinion. |
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| Always thought one of it is the milk problem. Mostly, japanese production comitte can't hold themselves for not fappin' their own shit without realized they can't/have capability for producing a fine one, that can match the original. bet their west counterpart just share the same story. But u can still broaden ur by watch non LA movies, assuming not all of their released stuff are anime-based to begin with |
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| Prison School live action is good, i think... Hana was beautiful, also Chiyo.... Mari looks constipated, everytime i see her... :( |
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| Depends. I haven't seen any anime adaptations yet but Audition by Takashi Miike is my all time favorite movie. I guess their movie industry is good unless they adapt a manga or anime. |
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| Cause you are used to see them as anime. Try take story which didn't start his way as anime or manga, amd see if you like it. Unfortunately the only anime which isn't kodomo i can think of whwhich fits this is les miserables |
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| I agree that the Japanese have made a few rather disappointing live action adaptions of anime, but I disagree that Japanese film making in general is "shit." It's like saying American film makers are shit because they've made a few god awful video game adaptions. If you don't mind looking back in time a bit, the golden age of Japanese film making was probably from the early 1950's to the early 1960's. Pretty much no film created by the likes of Kurosawa, Ozu, Mizoguchi, Kinoshita, or Kobayashi (I'd even throw Ishiro Honda in there) can be considered a bad film. Jump forward to the late 60's and 70's were a combination of the rise of TV popularity and economic crisis led to a lot less money for movie production. As a fan of Godzilla movies, its interesting to look at Godzilla movies from 1954 through 2004. You can really see the tangible evolution of both Japanese film making and Godzilla himself as the years roll on. In fact it may be a perfect example to show this evolution as there was usually a new release every year or every other year. As others have also stated, the Japanese frankly don't give a damn about producing media that outsiders enjoy. They are all about pleasing the domestic audience. Honestly, I enjoy that about the Japanese. If I want something different and honest to its roots, I know where to look. Western media on the other hand has become so bland and washed out in recent years in an effort to become palatable to every person on the planet, that in some instances, they can't catch my interest. So Japan, just keep being Japan and do what you do best. |
| "More than the cherry blossoms, Inviting a wind to blow them away, I am wondering what to do, With the remaining springtime." -Asano Naganori |
| For the same reason Americans are good with movies but most of the cartoons suck |
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| You listed a bunch of anime adaptations (except for Jin Roh, which was a live action turned into anime). Your statement of Japanese live action films being shit is, quite frankly, stupid. While I understand how many films that require SFX look terrible because of generally much lower budgets than Hollywood/Hong Kong/etc cinema. I watched many Godzilla films as a kid (and still rewatch some today) and yeah, the special effects are pretty dumb. Another issue lies the the acting abilities of the cast. Not many quite have the expertise of highly regarded pros like Judi Dench, Morgan Freeman, etc. So a lot of films get pretty campy. But you ignore many great films. Kurosawa is regarded as one of the greatest filmmakers of all time, period. He has an excellent filmography (Seven Samurai, Ran, Yojimbo, Throne of Blood among others). Takashi Miike also has some really good flicks under his belt, like Ichi the Killer, 13 Assassins and Audition. And isn't J-Horror generally regarded as being far better than a lot of Hollywood competition? |
| Dunno. Why don't you go ask 'em? Maybe give them some advice since you know so much. |
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DerpCat said: You listed a bunch of anime adaptations (except for Jin Roh, which was a live action turned into anime). Your statement of Japanese live action films being shit is, quite frankly, stupid. While I understand how many films that require SFX look terrible because of generally much lower budgets than Hollywood/Hong Kong/etc cinema. I watched many Godzilla films as a kid (and still rewatch some today) and yeah, the special effects are pretty dumb. Another issue lies the the acting abilities of the cast. Not many quite have the expertise of highly regarded pros like Judi Dench, Morgan Freeman, etc. So a lot of films get pretty campy. But you ignore many great films. Kurosawa is regarded as one of the greatest filmmakers of all time, period. He has an excellent filmography (Seven Samurai, Ran, Yojimbo, Throne of Blood among others). Takashi Miike also has some really good flicks under his belt, like Ichi the Killer, 13 Assassins and Audition. And isn't J-Horror generally regarded as being far better than a lot of Hollywood competition? Yes! I forgot about Miike. He is a master of many genres. He can do period movies like 13 Assassins or Harakiri (a remake of a Kobayashi film), or horror like Audition and Ichi the Killer, and the HILARIOUS Happiness of the Katakuris. You are also correct about J-Horror, they are usually superb and often emulated and copied. Oh, in regarding film adaptions of anime series, I didn't dislike Space Battleship Yamato. I thought it was decent. |
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| Best japanese drama I've watched: Ties of Shooting Stars (流星の絆) |
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| The production value is certainly low, they don't put a lot of money in movies like USA or Sk does. Now even with that you can find live action series that are damn fine, like that adaptation of Tantei no Tantei for example, I liked that one. |
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| Anime/manga has a lot of things that are harder to translate into live action. Plus japanese actors tend to exaggerate/overly imitate the character they play from the material. I think it would work if they make the films less anime/manga-like and let the actors act naturally. |
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