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Jul 4, 2009 9:06 AM
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Such a pointless episode... and a bad one too.
Mar 23, 2010 7:45 AM
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It wasn't all bad. Just kind of dull. Plus I am pretty sure the second pilot never died.

I did like Doan okay though.
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Mar 23, 2010 6:26 PM
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They never really answered why those 2 dying guys were tied down inside their plane. Tying them up and leaving them to die kind of goes against the whole soldier turned nice guy thing they had going for Doan.

So the alternative is that they were flying and decided to try out some bondage and then one of them accidentally knocked the lever and brought them crashing.
Jul 9, 2010 3:15 AM
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Lawl, WTF @ this episode.

I enjoyed it though- and I totally know where Eureka 7 stole certain ideas xD

Amuro got bitch-slapped yet again, ya~y!

And it's quite amusing how Amuro seems to have no problem walking around in his underwear.
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Jul 9, 2010 9:35 PM
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these Ep never gub to english
-_____-; i wander why
Jul 10, 2010 1:21 PM
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almozayaf said:
these Ep never gub to english
-_____-; i wander why


You mean this particular episode?
Th director was not happy with the episode and specifically asked for it not to be dubbed and released in the US, which is silly, coz it's no worse than any of the other episodes. In fact, I really enjoyed it =o I can't see what was wrong with it...
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Jul 28, 2010 12:38 PM
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Amuro got bitch-slapped yet again, ya~y!

And it's quite amusing how Amuro seems to have no problem walking around in his underwear.
Yeah, I absolutely thought that too~ xD
Pointless episode, still I enjoyed it~
Aug 22, 2010 8:15 AM
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Pheefa said:

I enjoyed it though- and I totally know where Eureka 7 stole certain ideas xD


That's what I was thinking when I watched this episode.

It wasn't too bad despite some things not making sense and it fit with the themes of the series. I don't see why Tomino removed it from the English release.
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Dec 14, 2010 12:28 AM
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I think the reason it was removed it because of all the recycled footage.

From the core fighter docking to the gundam landing was not a single new piece of animation.
Not to mention some of the odd moments. Like the scene through scene when the core fighter took off.

Also...the Zakus looked terrible.
Jul 7, 2011 6:13 AM

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The amount of dullness in this show...

Someone give me a good explanation why I should continue anymore?
Sep 8, 2011 4:39 PM

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What a terrible filler episode, they even forgot about the 2 hurt soldiers. This series was improving and now there's this pointless ep, it better redeem itself in the next eps.
Sep 8, 2011 4:45 PM
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ocsidering this was surpose to be only 1/4 tought the show is a good epiosde


yes this show was cut from 60 epiosdes but lack of money cut this
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Oct 2, 2012 6:27 PM
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Arcanus said:
Such a pointless episode... and a bad one too.

Character development. Have you heard of that term?

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What a terrible filler episode, they even forgot about the 2 hurt soldiers. This series was improving and now there's this pointless ep, it better redeem itself in the next eps.

Ah...if you were paying attention, it was clearly shown that they died after Amuro treated them.

Confucius said:
The amount of dullness in this show...
Someone give me a good explanation why I should continue anymore?

Stop hijacking this thread. If you watched the very first episode and you did not liked it, stop watching it now. For somebody who calls herself/himself Confucius you truly are impatient and whiny.

Pheefa said:

Th director was not happy with the episode and specifically asked for it not to be dubbed and released in the US, which is silly, coz it's no worse than any of the other episodes. In fact, I really enjoyed it =o I can't see what was wrong with it...

Exactly. In fact, I thought it was a pretty good character development for Amuro.
Dec 22, 2012 7:10 PM

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Oh, is this that episode that was cut out of the English dub? I didn't realize that. Well, it was okay, I certainly wouldn't describe it as "terrible" or anything like that. Really, the only real problem I have is why the hell the pilots were tied up.
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Mar 27, 2013 1:53 PM

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Amuro gets slapped a lot, doesn't he. It's almost like a running gag now.
Jul 12, 2013 7:17 AM

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Why those soldiers were tied down and left to starve to their death? If they would have explained that it would have been medicore filler episode but now it was just weird.
Mar 1, 2014 11:50 AM

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Such a pointless episode. I hope Ramba Ral and Char come back soon, we need them.
Mar 19, 2014 2:33 PM

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yeah this episode was really bad, why were the soldiers just tied down, why did the guy go almost die when amuro had a fucking gun, what use was getting rid of their only means of defending themselves from zakus that clearly wont stop coming

yeah this was the first episode where i just have to say, this was dogshit

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Jun 4, 2014 1:36 AM

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Interesting episode :)

But yeah i really want to see the story move forward, but it's not bad to have some filler once in awhile.

At least we get to see some hand to hand Zaku combat!

Doan sure kicked Amuro's ass though.

Rollan seems like a nice lady, then she bright slapped Amuro just like that XD

I don't even know why Amuro is assuming a lot of things. Then again he is young.

Lol Amuro body slammed that Zaku!!

So Doan killed the kids parents, but the guilt was too much to bear so he shoulder the responsibility for this kids.

Next episode is gonna be ace!!! Can't wait!!
Dec 7, 2014 4:02 PM

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How come everybody's so down on this episode?
I thought it was a nice, heartfelt tale.

It also does a good job of re-enforcing that not all of the Zeon soldiers are horrible people, and some have more compassion... such as Doan, here.
On top of that, this episode develops Amuro's character further.

I really enjoyed it, and you people are crazy.
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Jan 26, 2015 3:57 PM

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... we were so close to having a that's-so-Sunrise-island-romance episode... guess they didn't invent that yet...
Sep 15, 2015 6:16 AM

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This episode was....yeah.

Man, I fucking hate kids.
Nov 17, 2015 11:11 PM

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What the fuck are you talking about. This show has constantly shown us that Zeons are human's too and i would go far as saying that the Zeons have been shown on way more positive light than the earth government.

This episode actually had the opposite effect because it showed Zeon's having some stupid crusade against Doan and showing Zeon soldier attacking children. Doan was also apparently ordered to kill children so no.

I see people hating this episode here and i think it's dumb too (for several reason) but i think the real reason why so many hate this episode because they learned that the director hated it so they automatically hate it too. The episode 14 was really fucking dumb too but i didn't see people really shitting on it.
Apr 24, 2016 6:32 AM

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No shortage of clashes in this soul, the thing that can be seen right away is that Amuro, is as good as Nuvolari, whatever you drive brings out the best there is. Another consideration that can be drawn from the episode, is that there is a link between Sayla and Char, there's no doubt. The episode as a whole is quite addictive.
Apr 24, 2016 4:41 PM

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Yeah, this did fall under the filler category. Lot of plot holes about the two pilots.

Besides the usual complaints, I don't see why Amuro and White Base not just take the Zaku and use it for either parts or to study it. Seems a waste to throw it in the ocean.
What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about?

Jul 14, 2016 6:01 PM

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A more generic episode, not too bad but yea it's pretty much a filler :/
Oct 1, 2016 7:49 AM

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So this is the infamous episode 15 eh?
Imean, it wasnt the best episode and it was just filler, but i liked it.
May 27, 2017 8:52 PM

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It wasn't bad, just doesn't have much impact on the story.
Jun 2, 2017 12:37 AM
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Well that was defiantly meh. I really don't see what was so bad about it that they didn't want it dubbed, quite honestly?

Hell out of the weaker episodes it one of the better one. (yeah, not the strongest complement I now.) as it centres on Amuro stumbling across a deserted Zeon, who went into hiding on an island with a group of children. Who’s parents he killed and was ordered to kill them as well. As suck he takes out any out sider who might lead Zeon to them.

Neat concept, flatly executed. Not much to say about this episode, part from how I found it weird that after Amuro was taken out by Doan Zaku. It took White base so long to find him? Even if Amuro turned off the S.O.S, they must have known his last location and easily find him from there? That and I love how they seemingly forgot about the two injured enemy pilots and left them for dead.

Honestly studied nick picks on the writers’ part aside. I watched the episode after this one first as I’m watching the dub. (Yes, yes come at me puritans.) And I thought that episode was much worse, padded, stupidly written and worst of all, just plain boring.

So yeah, episode 15. You’re the best of the worst so far, good for you. Here your participation ribbon. Slow clap.
Jun 2, 2017 6:54 AM

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@FT_anime_fan Despite it being stroke out of the "One Year War" history both by the movies and the later manga revision (by the chara-designer), this character has received his own manga (as a spin-off the previously mentioned one) recently. So, it had probably a certain popularity.
Maybe the reason why it was rejected from DVDs and BrD sets was that the director or animation director weren't happy with some technical aspects.

@FT_anime_fan The manga retelling by Yasuhiko Yoshikazu (character-designer and animation director of a chunk of the series and the theatrical trilogy) is named Kidô Senshi Gundam The Origin (or Mobile Suit Gundam The Origin, for the superb english edition by Vertical). Probably the best way to follow this story because it both takes the "fixed" version of the movies without the ridiculousness of the TV version and the few good things who were only in the TV show, plus the art is flawless (so is the layout/direction).
But if you mean the spin-off, it started less than a year ago and since it is publishe din a monthly magazin, I'm not sure it is very far. Its name is Kidô Senshi Gundam The Origin MSD ~ Cucuruz Doan no shima (Cucuruz Doan's island). This series has yet to be approved on this website.
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@FT_anime_fan Despite it being stroke out of the "One Year War" history both by the movies and the later manga revision (by the chara-designer), this character has received his own manga (as a spin-off the previously mentioned one) recently. So, it had probably a certain popularity.
Maybe the reason why it was rejected from DVDs and BrD sets was that the director or animation director weren't happy with some technical aspects.


Hmm neat. Any idea what the manga called?
Aug 22, 2017 5:50 AM
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Next episode please. Animation, sound, and music just didn't fit. Meh.
Dec 14, 2017 11:01 PM
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This episode was full of weird inconsistencies. What happened to the two pilots that started the whole plot of the show? And Doan's Zaku suffered an injury by its head - the tube that wraps around it was severed - but it seemingly recovered on its own by the next scene. The inability of the White Base to locate Amuro was strange (doesn't his ship have some sort of tracking mechanism?) but excusable. And I don't think they ever actually explained why Rolland was present, at all.

Aside from the annoying yet overlookable problems, it just wasn't very interesting. The kid characters were loud and obnoxious (they always are on this show, it seems) and Doan was rather dull.

I can see why the director wanted this episode cut.
Mar 17, 2018 6:50 AM

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Wasn't as terrible as people make it out to be.

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Mar 22, 2018 2:50 PM

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It wasn't that bad, I mean it's not like if we weren't used to this kind of stupid shit at this point of the show, so if you have made it this far you should not be bothered by it. Im really hooked and enjoying it so far. Plus I get great laughs sometimes. But the show has really managed to surprise me in a positive way in multiple occasions since I started watching.
May 22, 2018 6:47 PM

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Amuro was a major dick in this episode, but in the end he matured and this was another great episode showing that just because something's old doesn't mean it's bad/boring. Also why is there no dub for this episode?
May 27, 2018 6:49 PM

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So, this is the episode that never aired in North America. Tomino thought that this episode was the weakest in the series, and thus it was never dubbed into English, because he didn't want it to be shown over here.

It's not a bad episode by any means, but I guess that one would refer to it as "filler."

Jan 16, 2019 10:35 PM
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I'm amazed at all the comments trying to pretend this episode isn't straight gutter trash. even the creator himself is embarrassed about how terrible this turned out.

The two fighter pilots from the opening of the episode were never explained. throwing a rocket at a missile? com'on. The kids were extremely irritating and Doan's facial animations were hilariously awful.

We watch our main man adventure around an island in his underwear and, yet again, allow someone to bitchslap him.
Mar 8, 2019 3:31 PM

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I agree with Ryu. The Gundam looks...awkward...after the core module detaches like that.
Feb 19, 2020 2:11 PM

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Really enjoyed this episode.

Haters gonna hate xD
Mar 1, 2020 11:41 AM

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what a strange episode. Is Char back from vacation yet xD
Sep 11, 2020 7:21 PM

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Doan was an interesting character, but this episode did feel stilted and awkward. I'm not sure what happened to the two pilots at the beginning. Amuro was off the rails at the start, too battle-hungry after experiencing trauma and victory. It was inspiring to see Doan take on the enemy Zaku at the end without a weapon.
Oct 1, 2020 9:09 AM
-Did Doan just left those 2 guys to die? Why they were tied up? But the episode made it clear to us that he is a good soldier by raising those children whose parents were killed by him. So whyyy? If they tried to show how human Zeon's soldiers are again, they must explain this important plot point cuz it made Doan looks like a hypocrite.
-How is Rolland related to Doan? We never know.
-Why the White Base took a long time to locate Amuro?
-WTF Amuro throwing the other Zaku into the water and they never explained how Zeon can follow Doan. Did he eliminated Doan only means of defending themselves from Zeon's forces that won't stop coming? I'd be content if they said they can detect him because of Deon's Zaku but they didn't explain anything.
-Kinda funny that Amuro was in underwear almost all the time on this island and nobody cares lol

So many questions. The episode has good build up but terrible execution and ending, pd: the kids were annoying harassing Amuro for no -at least at first- reason so I have no sympathy for them.

This episode is like ep. 14 but with bad intentions lmao. I'm going to pretend I didn't see anything. Next.
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I thought some of the ideas were additive to the story. A Zeon deserter atoning for his sins and teaming up with a Federation soldier. A Zaku and the Gundam standing side by side. It was weird for sure with the tied up soldiers and throwing out the Zaku due to the scent of battle, but I liked those general ideas. It also had some super pretty imagery with the sunset- Amuro's line about not being able to pay attention to that stuff was nice, and the Gundam standing in the water at the end.

I was confused why the site I was watching dubbed forced me to watch sub until I saw the answer in this thread. Thanks!!

Edit: I forgot to add, but another idea I found additive was Amuro accidentally shooting at children. It reminded me of Char shooting at refugees. It fits with the idea of Doan's accidental killing too.
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kinda wish doan was a more important character.
having an ex-zeon soldier on their side would have helped infiltrate the zeon operations because having a zaku would be more inconspicuous than the federation mobile suits. plus an ex-zeon that hates his old faction? would have been great plot armor...
i was really hoping this wouldnt be a one off tbh i quite enjoyed it as far as filler goes.

and as for the budget cuts, this ep could have easily been cut and replaced with something more important, in a series like this filler isnt important, not sure where the companies priorities were tbh
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Jul 27, 2021 5:32 PM

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I was getting very confused about the comments on this episode until I realized this one's missing from Crunchyroll. I suppose I'll just skip this one if it's really that pointless. The description doesn't make it sound great anyway. But damn, now the order is all fucked up for me...
Jan 25, 2022 7:28 PM

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Mobile Suit Gundam is a series of mecha battles and Amuro getting smacked around, isn't it?
Sep 9, 2022 7:57 PM
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No Char this episode!? What were the dude's doing tied up at the beginning? Did Doan beat them up and then tie them up exposed to the elements to die? Did the show writers ever learn that small children are annoying? Why am I watching a 40 year old anime?? SO MANY QUESTIONS.
Oct 29, 2022 12:43 AM

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Sure it's a bit of a filler episode but also exemplifies that there's compassion on the Zeon side and also that some people don't want to fight and want to just live in peace after experiencing the atrocities of war. Kind of a chill break from things in my opinion. From my understanding this episode was removed from the dvd set and streaming services because the creators hated it (and maybe the fans too). It still adds a bit of dimension regarding humanization in the grand scheme of things.
Jan 16, 2023 3:42 PM

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This seems like the same island in which Nadia landed on with Jean from another Anime series.

Boy, these island episodes are so pointless. :P 
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