| Fairy Tail's moral which is "Friends will always give you strength" I mean should have made it that you need to count on yourself and abilities and not other people yah. |
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| Chuu2 Koi for letting character bound to the past instead of letting them move on and grow. |
 Kickstarter for Rokujouma is fully funded. Good work everyone. Lets wait for the result of our hard work together. |
| Almost every shounen anime ever that speaks "being a hero is cool". I've been subverted enough with heroism theme by stuffs like Fate series, SukaSuka, etc that I can't see it as being cool. Macross Do You Remember Love: That women should obey men, even when they're on higher ranks. I'm no misogynist. Texhnolyze: That life is meaningless. To live is to life. |
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| When Male MC didn't even both doing with with the waifus in his harem I facepalm everytime. |
| I honestly can't think of anything where the moral of the anime made me even consider disagreeing I either agree or most likely ignore and don't care |
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| Nisekoi this piece of shit glorify abusive/forced relationships |
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| Accel world's moral which is " It's okay to be a fat fucking loser as long as you're good at video games and can impress hot chicks with that shit" |
| Himouto! Umaru-chan: "It's okay to not develop as a person at all, remain a little shit for the rest of your life because it's funny." |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
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Lord_Sithis said: The anime is good enough. It's the ln that you shouldn't touch.Pizzagun said: Well that's pretty retarded. Thanks for cleaning up a show from my PTW list.For example, Sakurasou's moral was that if you try hard enough you can write a shitty time skip that cures autism |
| I pay so little attention to those sorts of elements I'm pretty sure that even if I were to say the impression I got of one, it'd miss the mark. So I don't really care. |
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| Shigatsu presents abuse and denial as the solution to trauma from abuse. Hunter x Hunter (2011)'s Chimera Ant arc portrays humans as being evil for subduing the animal world. The difference between the two is that in the former case it was directly connected to the core of the story, which made it virtually impossible for me to ignore, unlike in the latter case. |
| Kuma Miko was the only time it ever happened. |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
| Arjuna. Screw you, humans are omnivores, and meat is delicious. The stuff about humans being a plague upon nature and causing harmful pollution that destroys the planet is true though. |
KruszerSep 13, 2017 1:40 PM
| "Laws exist only for those who cannot live without clinging onto them." -Souske Aizen "Bleach"  |
PO1SON said: Fairy Tail's moral which is "Friends will always give you strength" I mean should have made it that you need to count on yourself and abilities and not other people yah. Have you heard about social capital? I mean I don't mean to defend Fairy tail, but I hate when people look down on relationships. |
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| I'm not sure if it was a moral or not, but Griffith did nothing wrong. Yeah, the Band of the Hawk had issues of being over-dependent on him, and should have followed Guts instead (Go your own way, make your own --more simple-- dream), but I still hate Griffith, even if I think he's a well written character. I just dont like his vague ambition, which parallels to real life royalty and nationalism. Everything about his moral supports egoism, opportunism, imperialism, and other stuff I hate. I wish he could just enjoy the simple things in life like close friendship. |
| Death note is based on the premise that, at least for a while, Kira's approach to justice can be considered valid for discussion. I would have got him in jail from minute one. Hunter x Hunter has tons of morals I'd disagree with, but to be honest a lot of those stem from the characters and the series does not necessarily support their morality. Gon's attitude is beyond toxic. Parasyte has good intentions but its pro-vegan morals are terribly inserted, to the point I can't take them seriously. It also suffers from confirmation bias in this regard, not even setting a proper debate. |
| Looks like people see morals even in stories who didn't look like they ever intended to show you the right way. I would nominate Chirin no Suzu but it's either because I'm not japanese or because I misunderstood its aim. Rei366 said: Great tale about trying to break away from its condition. "Try to fight your fate/condition/origin and it will set you apart from the others", ouch. To stay in society, conformity is the key? Written like that, it makes sense this originated from Japan. It's not that I consider it entirely false, but I xould be against promoting this kind of ideas to (very) young persons. |
Rei_IIISep 13, 2017 2:20 PM
| I mean, ReLife is pretty dubious. I don't care what the experiment is, it's a bit morally ambiguous to secretly insert a random fully grown man into the lives of high schoolers. Also, Itazura Na Kiss. It seems cool with the idea of having to literally beg for a scrap of affection before you're worthy of it. |
| 'I love you because you're you. I'm happy that you're whole. I don't care if there are sides of you that I don't know, or don't like. If that's who you are, that's fine. As long as you're whole, that's enough for me.'-Kouko Kaga |
| Toradora - If you beat him hard enough, he will fall in love with you _Ako_ said: When Male MC didn't even both doing with with the waifus in his harem I facepalm everytime.  |
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| Elfen Lied: Humans are the true monsters. Killing tons of people is okay if someone killed your dog when you were a kid. |
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| School Days, I know the average harem isn't realistic, but the way the anime attempts to subvert rom-com tropes is toxic and sends even more sexist messages about both men and women. |
| Mostly every morals about "Never give up!" and "Believe in yourself" because the main protagonist tend to have the "plot ressource" (something like plot armor but defined in the beginning.) The main hero, as weak and miserable as you want, always has or find something (a legacy, a power, a weapon, a prophecy) he will makes him "unique" and stronger than most of people. He won't be strong or special by himself but because by luck or destiny. For instance : Naruto, Boku No Hero, TTGL... And I can't help myself rolling my eyes everytime I got "humanity is hopeful" moral. It mostly show how much humans are such a great race by our ability to beat the crap out of anything standing in our ways than finding compromises and doing compassionate acts... |
ThatCynicalOtaku said: Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works. "Becoming a hero out of guilt makes you fake!" Bullshit. There are plenty of people in real life who decide to save other people out of guilt. That doesn't make them any less of a hero. Fate/Stay Night is always up its own ass. I'm pretty sure one of the messages of the Fate VN is: "Fake or real, it doesn't matter, I will continue on my path because it's beautiful." |
ThatCynicalOtaku said: Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works. "Becoming a hero out of guilt makes you fake!" Bullshit. There are plenty of people in real life who decide to save other people out of guilt. That doesn't make them any less of a hero. Fate/Stay Night is always up its own ass. Prett sure the anime was supporting Shirou when he tried to "prove" that his ideal was still real even if he started following it out of guilt. |
Any anime that advances any of the following variations of the same essential idea:
Seriously, what kind of tripe is this? There's no reason to torment oneself for the rest of one's life over something that can no longer be changed. It helps nobody: not the person suffering, and certainly not the dead. The dead are out of your reach. You can't do anything for them. When you make a mistake, even a grave mistake, you learn from it and do your best to do better in the future. You don't torture yourself with regret and misery; you don't "live for the dead;" you just try do the same thing you should be doing even if you didn't make the mistake: keep trying to be a better person. That may involve trying to clean up after your mistake, or it may not. Oh, and then there's the infernal "killing is always evil" bit. Utter nonsense. What is truly evil is allowing a monstrous individual to massacre others just because of such a ludicrous ideal. As you can imagine, I had quite a bone to pick with SAO's Phantom Bullet arc. ThatCynicalOtaku said: If you kill someone...you kill them. So I guess what you're saying is...  |
| Important Note: I no longer - in any way, shape, or form - consider myself a moral nihilist (even in my old, convoluted definition of the term). I very much do believe there is such a thing as objective good and evil. In addition, I apologize for any of the posts I've made that are rude, aggressive, or otherwise unbecoming. I've always striven to walk a path befitting a follower of Christ, and now recognize some of my old comments here as misguided if not outright wrong. If you happen upon them, pray do not let them darken your view of the God I serve. He is kind, even if I, at times, have not been. |
ThatCynicalOtaku said: SuperRed said: I'm pretty sure one of the messages of the Fate VN is: "Fake or real, it doesn't matter, I will continue on my path because it's beautiful." But...that's the thing. Nothing about Shirou, is fake, to begin with. He was the sole survivor of a big-ass fire. So he decides, "Ya know what? I don't want this to happen to anyone else". So he dedicated his life helping people with even dumb things like cleaning. And he enjoys it. He loves it. So he's a true hero. That simple. Well in UBW Archer argues that Shirou is fake because he didn't really come to that specific ideal on his own, he basically saw that Kiritsugu had ideals of what a hero should be and because he just happened to be the one who saved him from the fire he decided to fulfill Kiritsugu's dream in his place after he left him. Also, he doesn't mean Shirou is not a hero at all, he was talking about his ultimate ideal hero that can save everyone, which is very idealistic and not possible for someone who isn't a god. |
Pizzagun said: Just what the title says, when have you disagreed with the moral of the story? For example, Sakurasou's moral was that if you try hard enough you can write a shitty time skip that cures autism Like another person said, the anime was fine enough and I'm assuming you're talking about the LN anyway. I just wanna clarify, though, that the biggest themes that Sakurasou seemed to convey were those of failure. The message or moral of the story was basically, "Hard work doesn't always pay off" or "Just because you don't give up doesn't mean you will succeed." Now, I don't want this to turn into whether or not the anime was good, I just wanted to say that the moral of Sakurasou is by far the most interesting part and something I really appreciated for taking a more realistic approach, opposed to the overly idealistic conclusions of other shows. |
CatSoul said: Himouto! Umaru-chan: "It's okay to not develop as a person at all, remain a little shit for the rest of your life because it's funny." except it's wrong... umaru redeeming herself a lot after anime... it's not about being a brat, but honest and accepting yourself, also trust... ladamesansmerci said: I mean, ReLife is pretty dubious. I don't care what the experiment is, it's a bit morally ambiguous to secretly insert a random fully grown man into the lives of high schoolers. to searching what an adult lost that make them fail as an adult so feflecting their youth to get it back... OT: too many times, but i prefer to ignore it TBH... morality is socialy inter-subjective anyways... |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
ThatCynicalOtaku said: Just want to give a little correction on what shirou ideal meant to himself.SuperRed said: Well in UBW Archer argues that Shirou is fake because he didn't really come to that specific ideal on his own, he basically saw that Kiritsugu had ideals of what a hero should be and because he just happened to be the one who saved him from the fire he decided to fulfill Kiritsugu's dream in his place after he left him. Also, he doesn't mean Shirou is not a hero at all, he was talking about his ultimate ideal hero that can save everyone, which is very idealistic and not possible for someone who isn't a god. That's how many people, in real life, develop a heroic ideal. They learn it from their parents, so they decide to follow in their footsteps. That's doesn't make them any less of a hero. Of course Shirou's ideal, "Save every person" is impossible. But that's how actual people are. We all have an impossible dream. We all dream of a world where everyone's happy. But it's not possible. But does that mean actual people give up on it? A rational person in real life would not say, "it's futile trying to make people happy, because not everybody can be happy". Ghandhi knew this. But did he mope? No. He moved, he started a protest movement, he got jailed, he worked endlessly to free India from British control. He did everything he could to ensure as many people could be happy. Guilt, copying, none of that shit matters in real life. What matters in real life, is wanting to help people, and actually doing it. If that happens, there's no such thing as a, "pointless ideal". All of this is something everybody knows by the time they're 10. Hell, Shirou's 18, and he knew all this from the start. So Archer's lecture, their conflict, is pointless, and so is them message, because everybody knows the message. I'll need to talk about Shirou character now. So you see, Shirou ideal is not inherited in a normal sense like other people but just a fake-illusion to fill his hollow self (or at least that's how it starts out). That's why archer calls it fake. |
CactiiSep 13, 2017 7:36 PM
| There are certain morals and ideals which I disagree but I can see why people would agree. Often the point in which I start to find it going extreme is where the anime loses it for me, it becomes a form of perversion of the ideal. Anime tend to do that with ideals of friendship and justice, but I can see why they choose to do it because it paints characters with a very strong sense of direction in a series. |
| I'm not a lolicon, you're just projecting your tendency to lewd 2D characters. If your favourite character is Tsutsukakushi Tsukiko, you are my soul mate. Been a long time since I've been here, I'll continue expressing myself freely and believe everyone should too. My MAL Interview |
| Tales of Zestiria the X, how killing is wrong, no matter what and even if the person deserves it or not. I understand why that's the case in the world of Zestiria, because of malevolence, however I generally can't agree to that. |
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| I think things like questionable and ambiguous morality are the crux of a series like Death Note |
Immahnoob said: They say Jesus walked on water. People are made out of 79% water. I can walk on people. So I am 79% Jesus. Sourire said: I once fucked an apple pie. |
| i disagree with nakama power but its still entertaining anyway im conflicted with the end justify the means morals like Madara from Naruto is doing but i do think in reality necessary evil needs to happen until humanity comes up with better solutions with the help of science and technology for example |
ThatCynicalOtaku said: The thing is, he's not pursuing a dream to be whole again, but just find "something" to fill the hole. This make the rest of your reply become irrelevant.Cactii said: Just want to give a little correction on what shirou ideal meant to himself. I'll need to talk about Shirou character now. So you see, Shirou ideal is not inherited in a normal sense like other people but just a fake-illusion to fill his hollow self (or at least that's how it starts out). That's why archer calls it fake. Okay...why does that matter? Shiriou still wants to actually save people. He doesn't get brainwashed, or anything. There are plenty of people who lost everything they held dear, who went through hell, lost all their sense-of-self, and so they decide to pursue a dream to be whole again. That's great. That's the reason Archer call his idea to be fake. Secondly, you're are confusing between Archer's provocation or maybe his ideology and the message of the route as whole. what you're proposing, A hallow unclear ideal is a fake ideal, is Archer's argument to Shirou, a provocation or his personal ideology at worst for argument sake. It's not the message of the route. And then we need to discuss if Archer really feel that way. Archer is actually just wanted Shirou to show him that pursuing his ideal never wrong in the first place. That's why he forge shirou rather than killing him instantly. So claiming that "Becoming a hero out of guilt makes you fake!" is merely you failing in giving a distinguish in what is theme, what is message, what is character ideology and what is provoking statement. What Shirou show us is actually the opposite of what you claim. |
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