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Apr 25, 2009 4:46 AM

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A really strange episode. I can't wait to see what happens next.

Aug 29, 2009 9:28 AM

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I own the Black Rose Saga on DVD so I get to watch the next episodes on the big screen. I remember the first time I watched the series, I liked Kanae, but I didn't like or dislike her this time. Now I'm just lost in wondering if Anthy is a good guy or a bad guy - or if she's still trying to figure that out herself.
Sep 21, 2009 3:13 AM

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ExquisiteDefect said:
Now I'm just lost in wondering if Anthy is a good guy or a bad guy - or if she's still trying to figure that out herself.

I certainly hope she doesn't pull a Touga, short fight this time but meaningful non the less as an introduction to the black rose.

But I cant help but think that Utena is getting quite angry at climbing ALL THOSE STAIRS EVERY TIME. :D

Nov 12, 2010 6:35 AM

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Zettai Unmei Mokushiroku~

Love the new version of that song. Still, seeing the same scene over and over is a little tedious
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Mar 15, 2011 9:11 PM

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Very intriguing episode. I don't personally like Anthy, but I am definitely getting really excited about where this series is going.
Mar 16, 2011 3:20 PM
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A lot of disturbing stuff in this episode. Utena's friend was hinted to be in those shadow plays, and thus in on the duels. The gay guys, one of whom looks like the Prince, have a graveyard of duelists and freaky rose-possession magic. To top it off, Anthy's brother was incredibly creepy at the end.

New rule of thumb for this show: there is no sanity here except in Utena herself
Jul 2, 2011 11:06 AM

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Jul 4, 2011 9:57 PM

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I think incest was strongly hinted at the end of this episode as well as those two new guys apparently being in a...well you know. Anthy is looking for suspicious and Utena's best friend is implied to be one of, or maybe both, of the shadows (but, I had a idea that that was the case before, It sounds like the same seiyuu for instance.)

All in al, I'm intrigued about where this is going. And, yeah, apparently the gender bending Utena is the most normal of the cast. You think that means something?
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Aug 1, 2011 9:51 AM

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wow at the ending part, they are brothers and sisters but yet...
Aug 10, 2011 3:22 PM

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Anthy is sometimes genuinely creepy. I don't blame Kanae, honestly. Maybe Akio and Anthy actually planned to bring her to that state.
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Sep 12, 2011 5:36 AM
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Himemiya is incredibly creepy. And I don't really get the whole 100 dead duelists thing, but i suppose that will sort itself out.

I also guess that Akio (Himemiya's brother) is Utena's prince.
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Nov 1, 2011 1:04 PM

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Whoa, new character dump.

Anthy and Akio are planning something, aren't they. Yeah, I'm definitely getting those incest vibes.
I don't really get the 100 dead duelists thing either. More details would be nice!

The shadow girl's silhouette really was distinctly Wakaba-ish! Could just be Ikuhara trolling us though :P

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Nov 1, 2011 1:32 PM

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The track that plays at th end of the episode is called 'The Fruit of Sin"

Dun, dun, dun O_o
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May 13, 2012 1:34 PM

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This episode gave the series such a dark and somber twist. I loved it.
Jul 5, 2012 5:09 AM

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The first episode I really liked till now.
I think I'll like the upcoming episodes a lot more than the first ~12
Aug 23, 2012 6:59 PM

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Am I the only one who couldn't tell between the character genders? lol

Also I liked the old duel entrance music :/
Aug 23, 2012 8:33 PM

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Pheefa said:
Zettai Unmei Mokushiroku~

Lol I noticed that too. I have no idea what happened in this episode lol
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Sep 5, 2012 8:11 PM

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A lot of interesting stuff this episode to start off the new arc; but overall the tone that is being set is darker than that of the first part of the series.

Also, with that implied incest at the end, the clear takeaway from this episode is that Anthy and her family are pretty messed up.
Sep 13, 2012 4:19 PM

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Marzan said:
Himemiya is incredibly creepy. And I don't really get the whole 100 dead duelists thing, but i suppose that will sort itself out.

I also guess that Akio (Himemiya's brother) is Utena's prince.

I dunno... what about the guy that Akio was talking to last episode?

Anthy is becoming one of those characters I hate and love, and for that, I love her even more. Characters like that just seem so much more real than others.
Feb 5, 2013 3:53 PM

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Good episode. A lot of different things going on here. Looking forward to what they do with their new slew of characters.
Feb 10, 2013 12:37 AM

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I love the start of this new arc... It's going to start digging deeper and getting more complex! That's my type of show!
Mar 30, 2013 12:59 AM
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Weird episode. Anthy was creepy as usual and her brother is even creepier. I wonder what is the deal with the 100 dead duelists.

And lol, incest.
Jul 17, 2013 10:16 PM
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i'm confused, did they literally burn her body at the end? pretty fucked up. i think that's the first on-screen death we've had so far in this anime. things have def taken a turn for the dark.
Nov 15, 2013 8:50 AM

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@MaxVdub, they didn't burn Kanae's body but they sure did burn a coffin (of one of the dead duelists I guess) or maybe symbolically melted her frozen heart in order to revive her hidden-previous self...

@Di-Dorval, the rose bride is not dumb, she just makes us think she's dumb, at least imo. She's certainly extremely weird and strange but that's all the more intriguing to me. Bitchy? Nah, I don't think so.

I'm sure there's so much hidden symbolism, but I just can't grasp it all with my first viewing...I'm soooo gonna enjoy re-watching this series!

On to the Black Rose Saga then!!! Woot*
Jul 16, 2014 1:57 PM
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There's definitely some strange things going on here. Akio was talking to the "prince" about the duels last episode, and yet here Anthy claims that she's keeping the duels secret from him.

Anthy and Akio are already shown to be very (ahem) close in this episode so I think there's already a hint at them working together on things.
Aug 22, 2014 6:16 PM

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I kind of suspect that Anthy and Akio is not related. I mean, that girly-dark-skin-guy looks just like them, if so, he should be somehow related to them too. This is getting complicated.

I like this new chapter, looks more interesting.
Aug 25, 2014 4:27 PM

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Just finished watching the episode, I have to say that I'm shocked!
One thing is printed in my mind: the guy who looks like Utena's prince is forced to pretend to be a girl, while Utena pretends to be a Prince...
Sounds suspicious!

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Dec 14, 2014 11:18 PM

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That "interview" was very Evangelion-ish, love it.

Ohhhh man that incest....
Jan 1, 2015 11:40 AM

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I had no idea why there were desks on the battleground, probably some symbolic meaning but I can't really bother to think

Otherwise, a nice episode. The room with the dead duelists was pretty cool, and Anthy is starting to seem more and more like the antagonist. Or maybe the writer just wants it to seem that way...
Jan 9, 2015 3:18 PM

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Wow, this anime sure is taking a dark twist.

Anthy's personality is starting to creep me out though, and that scene at the end... I sense a brother-sister complex emerging. >_<
Feb 14, 2015 8:27 AM

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What an episode. That elevator scene was so disturbing. I noticed that during the scene, there was a painting or something on the wall that showed a butterfly "de-metamorphosizing" into a chrysalis, a caterpillar, and then... a leaf? I guess this symbolized Kanae having layers of herself removed until her deepest fear was revealed.
Mar 14, 2015 9:47 AM

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again, I'm baffled by the number of people who dislike Anthy. I really think if she's having an incest relationship with her brother, it might be against her will/or she doesn't care since she's a Rose Bride (who apparently have no will of their own). I can't wait until we find out how Rose Brides work and what the deal with Anthy is
Sep 14, 2015 9:27 AM

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Why is revolutionizing the world supposed to be the answer to all of their problems?

Feb 13, 2016 6:10 PM

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Can we please get a normal sibling relationship for once in this show? lol

So Mamiya is also male huh? Makes since since him and Mikage are pretty much the male counterparts of Utena and Himemiya.

The scene with Wakaba in the shadow girl's sillouhette really caught me by surprise.
Apr 3, 2016 2:57 PM
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"I really hate my fiancées sister, whatever should I do?!"
"Revolutionise the world."
That logic though.

So many new characters! This show is definitely getting more and more complex.
May 21, 2016 3:28 AM

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RebmaTheReklats said:
"I really hate my fiancées sister, whatever should I do?!"
"Revolutionise the world."
That logic though.

I was laughing hard at that part. Besides that it's an interesting start for the new arc.
Jun 22, 2016 6:14 PM
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owlpoop said:
again, I'm baffled by the number of people who dislike Anthy. I really think if she's having an incest relationship with her brother, it might be against her will/or she doesn't care since she's a Rose Bride (who apparently have no will of their own). I can't wait until we find out how Rose Brides work and what the deal with Anthy is

I have nothing against incest if it is consensual and both are at least 16. Everyone has to find their own way in life.

I just think Anthy isn't entirely forthright with Utena. In this anime everyone seems to have hidden agendas and are manipulating each other. Everyone except our heroine?
Jul 31, 2016 12:01 PM

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The arena seemed to symbolize the 100 dead duelists. I just don't know what's that about them yet.
Dec 26, 2016 10:32 AM

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I have no idea what's going on; brings back Evangelion memories. WHAT DOES IT ALL MEANNNN

So Black Roses huh...

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Feb 27, 2017 3:08 PM

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a very disturbing episode. literal bodies in coffins, all these shoes
and why this mount of incest

i think if you are determined to find symbolism, you will, anywhere
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May 31, 2017 10:05 PM

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I have no intention to overinterpret anything. If the show gives me a reason to interpret something a certain way, then I will, but otherwise I will probably just write it off as atmosphere.

That being said, some pragmatic observations and thoughts:

The building where 100 duelists died was likely set up by Mikage. That is, I believe he intentionally kill all those duelists in order to gain the power of the black rose crest. As someone who has the power of 100 duelists at his disposal, it is likely Mikage himself that gains the Power of Dios (directly or indirectly) should any of his puppets succeed.

The question here is concerning the nature and purpose of the Power of Dios. Although Dios himself seems to be helping Utena in her duels, the power otherwise seems somewhat dark. The Sword of Dios being pulled from the Rose Brides body, the additional power that the sword gains from her kiss(?), and now the Black Rose Crests... it all seems rather morbid. To what end is the purpose of this power? Why does Utena's world need to he "revolutionized" in the first place? Will the world literally die without the Power of Dios?

The other question and observation concerns Anthy's brother. We know he was the one talking to Dios/the prince in the previous episode, but is he really Anthy's brother? Is Anthy related to Dios himself? Anthy has kept many things hidden from Utena and at times seems somewhat manipulative, so I'm not sure if we should take their word for it that their siblings. Either way the final scene in this episode was very suggestive, though it's hard to guess at the nature of the situation when we don't know the true nature of either characer involved.

Finally, it was nice to finally find out where the shadow figures came from-- Wakaba.
Jun 16, 2017 10:08 PM

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They're really adding a lot of new things to the mix with this next part of the show. I hope it doesn't lose out on any quality.
Aug 10, 2017 11:21 AM

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Well, this arc's definitely going to have a darker tone to it. So, er...Anthy's brother's fiancée was possessed by the Black Rose in order to get another duelist? That didn't seem to work out for them.

That scene at the end with Anthy and her brother, his legs spread on the couch, that "come hither" look...tell me they aren't banging.
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Aug 11, 2017 3:39 PM
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Did not see the incest ending coming and Anthy is fairly creepy, so can't hold it against Kanae, but I do wonder why she was even there showing her dark thoughts to him.

So you can bring your own rose to the duel and you can just steal a ring from a dead body and it'll still work.
Jan 3, 2018 12:50 PM

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First of all, it was a surprise to know Anthy had a brother; i thought her brother (or someone blood related) was Dios, and that explains why she's the bride. But, is she the bride on her own will? Why is she the bride? Can anyone become the bride by killing the current one? Another thing, does he truly not know anything about her as the bride and the duels?

So this Souji character is going to be our new antagonist i see; basically he took over after the Council in the will of bringing the End of the World and making his friend (who happens to look very similar to Anthy) the new bride. This whole thing about the 100 killed students is interesting; is Utena gonna fight 100 dudes!?!? I bet Souji is gonna have to fight her since the other duelist won suffice.

Souji seems like a very powerful and influential character. The bodies being burned after their ring was lost on the duel is fairly creepy.

I feel sorry for Kanae; after watching that ending now i know why she feels Anthy doesn't like her, MAN, WHAT A SHOCKER. Like, incest!?!?!? Wooow Anthy, you sure are full of surprises.

Oh another thing; so was Anthy's brother the one that was talking to Dios during the previous episode uh?
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Mar 7, 2018 12:04 PM

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Incest is wincest (?)

Things are getting weird. And next episode is about Miki's sister, please don't go in the same direction.
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Apr 14, 2018 3:08 PM

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Wakaba as shadow girl..that's the biggest surprise of the episode for me.
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Dec 26, 2018 5:11 PM

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So much new stuff going on, apparent gay couple, incest at the end involving one of two main characters O_O I feel bad for Utena now lol.
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Wtf is Archer doing in my 1990's anime
Apr 29, 11:17 AM

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This feels like the turning point of the show, intriguing.
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