Revolutionary Girl Utena Episode 39 Discussion
Jan 23, 2009 1:23 PM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
After 39 eps I still don't know what this was all about..
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Mar 26, 2009 6:47 PM
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I think that last episode tells of how in the earlier episodes they were talking about 10 years later theyll meet again or something of that sort right. Well when she vanished Anthy went in search of her to be together again though i do wish for a more describing ending.
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I thought that ending was heartbreaking and touching at the same time. Watching Utena struggle to open the door to Eternity was so emotional, although why Anthy was in the coffin at the end lost me (symbolism again??). I thought it was heartbreaking that Utena ignored Anthy's warning to get away from the Castle and she got stabbed by a million swords of hatred at the end... So did she die? Vanish? Or simply go to another world? Hmmm... The touching hands got me, it was so emotion-strained
Aug 8, 2009 5:58 AM
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Best ending I've ever seen. If you feel confused about it then you'd probably need to watch it again. I didn't get it at all when I first saw it but after watching it several times over and reading about what everything means (there's A LOT of symbolism), it all made sense. It certainly was worth delving into all the info and discussions about it. It's beautiful and touching, and I've never seen anything quite like this.
Also, to answer the above question, no, Utena did not die. The central theme of the series is that of childhood and adolescence,and the perception of reality/illusions. Utena's desperate attempt to save Anthy and still failing at the end made her realise that she couldn't become a prince. But it wasn't because she didn't qualify but because she realised that she was pursuing and illusion. Princes and princesses are nothing more than fairy tales. Anthy, coming to the same realisation was able to walk away (she could have left any time if only she had realised).
Coffins are an existential motif in this series (here's my semi-philosophical take on it). They don't mean death but rather non-existence. You see Utena as a kid in the coffin because she didn't want to continue living. Or, to put it into more philosophical terms, she had no reason or motive for her existence because she realised everyone would die anyway. The reason you see Anthy in the coffin (and that's where she's been all along) is because she could not see past the life she had been living (as the Rose Bride) up to that point. Utena's efforts to open the coffin is where Anthy realises that she's just a person like any other, and that she CAN do something to change her life. The reason Utena was not able to save her was because no one else can choose how someone lives their life (or if they can make such a choice, then it probably won't have positive results).
Hopefully that clears some things up.
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Jul 11, 2010 11:08 PM
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I feel sorry for the remainder of the characters, but they seem to be continuing with their lives and that's a good thing.
Why feel sorry for them? What episode 37 clearly showed was that all the characters had come a long way to get to the point where they were by the end. What we see of the other characters at the very end doesn't really matter since we could have deduced all that based on episode 37, for example.
I'm referring to the badminton scene, specifically. You see Juri jokingly asking Utena if she could have Utena's photo to put into her new locket. No way in hell would Juri say something like that if she hadn't changed. Then Miki jokes about liking Utena instead of Anthy, like he used to. And then Nanami appears and has no malicious intents. LOL The whole point of that scene was to show how these characters were able to move on with their lives and change. And by that time there was only Anthy (and Utena) left to take the same path.
The last duel is called "Revolution" and all it means is change. The duel begins in episode 38 (we don't actually see the bells tolling that otherwise usually tell us the start of a duel, but we can hear them right before the duel theme starts playing) when Utena decides to stick to her ideals and fight for Anthy. However, the significance of this duel becomes apparent in the last episode, right when Anthy steps out of Ohtori and leaves to search for Utena. This is when, finally, the bells toll again declaring the end of the duel called "Revolution". Guess who wins? :P
As for seeing the other characters at the end, it looks like they left out Kanae. I wonder what became of her. The others seemed to be way more relaxed about whatever they were doing. And forgetting who is Utena? Is it even important who she was in the end? Everyone can only change their own lives, that was the whole point. And as for Utena and Anthy, if you want to believe the official art is canon, then here: http://ohtori.nu/galerie/v/series/artwork/uandatogether/UandA_Together_37.png.html They get reunited.
P.S. Feel free to disagree with what I wrote, this is just my interpretation of what I saw in Utena. I know other people have other versions of what things mean (or don't mean), and that's fine.
Aug 5, 2010 5:13 PM
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Kokihatu said:Quoted for truth.
The build-up through the last 10 episodes or so was amazing. I really appreciate how touching and refreshing the ending was as well.
It's a shame series don't seem to do stuff like this anymore.
10/10, it was a beautiful show and I am glad I decided to watch it.
@Kotori: maybe if you stopped watching so much dumbing down ecchi, you might get something someday.
@maarika: that's a nice pic, I wonder how the ending of the movie will be.
Aug 5, 2010 7:04 PM
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The ending of Utena left me wondering what had happened to Utena. It kind of left some things unclear for me as well. What happened to Dios? Did Anthy ever find her? Why would everyone forget about Utena at the end? Did they forget about Anthy too? That's one that I need to rewatch for sure!
@Maarika: that's an awesome picture! That would be wonderful if that did happen!
@werr-y: I've seen the movie. Not going to give away anything.
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Everything was set for a happy ending - Utena grabs Hinemiya's hand, and everyone lives happily ever after, in a fulfilling and amazing climax.
Then Utena gets impaled by thousands of swords and dies by Diabolus Ex Machina.
I absolutely detest such endings - if you're going to have an unhappy ending, at least put some effort into it instead of just having some cosmic force come in and ruin everything.
I was planning on buying the DVDs in 2011, but after this ending, there is not a chance in the world of that.
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I love how all things fall into the place in these last eps - and you possibly cannot spot it at once cause first time you are too focused on the story itself. Then you take your time to rewatch and... all conversation, weird habits and such finds closure in the final scene.
@maarika, thanks for verbalizing my thoughts - it was really helpful to dig deeper.
And I have this feeling that Anthy may actually know where Utena is - physically. She has to find her mentally, as Utena found her in this coffin. Cause this kind of painful discovery, this kind of painful growing-up may make you want to crawl in some dark place. And now it is Anthy's turn to free her and give her back this childlike joy.
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that was really beautiful. i wish all anime could be as meaningful as this. an anime hasn't made me feel this way in a long time. utena and anthy were really amazing characters and the student council was the best student council ive ever seen in an anime haha. i loved having an anime that had symbolism this profound but didnt leave me with a sour mind fucked kind of feeling (the kind where im like - yea this writer was on crack *cough madoka cough*)
i loved the retro feel of the anime and the music was AMAZING!
10/10 - this is the first ten ive given in a very long time. im glad penguindrum inspired me to watch this :) ikuhara is awesome!
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Aug 11, 2011 9:32 PM
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The best part about this series was that build up song lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBMBbf6mLJs
LOL I missed it in the last episode, im like where is my awesome build up moment?
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heh... decided to watch this after finishing Mawaru Penguindrum... tbh i got pretty bored because in the beginning and middle it was so repetitive with the duels, totally reminded me of star driver.. near the end it got way more interesting.. but couldn't bring myself to enjoy it as much as others just because of my preferences.. nonetheless, this was a good anime, but personally not my type to watch.. especially with the main protagonist being too easy in being woo'd. the last episode i guess has to be the best for me.. especially the last few seconds where Anthy decides to search for Utena..
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i like how they changed the name of this show to its japanese title. it reminded me that i need to rewatch this series.
i hate it when people call this show nonsense and that people are overly looking into it/creating meaning when it doesnt exist. utena is genius story telling and animation. i hate when i hear that elfen lied is really deep because of its lessons about humanity and tolerance. there were so many better ways to make a show with profound hidden meaning. utena is deeper than elfen lied will ever be.
just wanted to get that off my chest.
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Well I don't understand it entirely but I think people are overreacting slightly about the ending, it wasn't THAT hard to understand I think I understood it OK although not completely, but even if I don't all I can say is TVtropes answers all questions.
I could be completely wrong but I think the show isn't all that complicated, I don't understand most fo the symbolysm but the plot in my opinion wasn't all that hard to decifer and I had difficulty with inception.
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This is when, finally, the bells toll again declaring the end of the duel called "Revolution". Guess who wins? :P
Holy shit. The ending was a happy one for me, and reading this little detail makes it even more satisfying. Goddamn.
I really enjoyed this series: a lot more than I thought I would. A lot, lot more than I thought I would.
I especially enjoy how a character previously said that everyone who remains in school is not an adult, and at the end Utena is no longer in the academy, and thus no longer within the Chairman's "world." That Anthy heads out to find Utena is very indicative of how much she's grown in self-introspection, and is no longer trapped in her coffin. Ah, man, this was amazing.
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Hmmmm... I really don't know what the say about this anime... the ending was OK. I get that Utena is the "saviour" for Himemiya in the same way Akio/Dios was for Utena as a child (i.e. taking them out of their coffins).
I get that the "Revolution" is just changing people (like how Juri/Miki/Nanami all became better people), but I was hoping that the Power to revolutionize the world might actually be an actual God-mode which Utena would only use for "saving" Anthy and then not abuse it because of her nobility or something.
Anyway. I didn't like the SYMBOLISM OVERLOAD in this anime. I don't mind it, and its nice to have.. but in small amounts. In this, it was pretty much everywhere all the time.
I didn't understand how Utena stayed alive in the end, but whatever...
Overall, I'd give this a 7.5, for the characters and funny moments, and the intriguing storyline. Loses points for the Black Rose arc which was too long and the confusing symbolism/storyline.
8/10 rounded up. But I have to say, I expected A LOT more from this considering this is rated as one of the classics...
Dec 27, 2012 11:55 AM