| for me the actual plot gets subverted at bad times for fanservice which annoys me sometimes |
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RedPlaty said: for me the actual plot gets subverted at bad times for fanservice which annoys me sometimes I dislike when FANSERVICE gets subverted at bad times for plot. |
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| it's because Most of the harem Anime is bad, For me, If harem is all the anime has going for it, I really despise it. But if characters or good plot make up for it then I can overlook some of the harem aspects. |
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| say this show has 12 episode, and supposedly there's 4 girls in this harem. That's an average of 3 episode per girl. Flushing out a story with only one female character is already hard enough with even 24 episode, so the harem genre tends to suck, at least imo, because of so much uncovered ground |
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| Populafity and acclaim are two very different things. In your ttile you're referring to popularity and in your post you're talking about rating, which is acclaim. You're probably more asking about why they're rated so low, so I'll give my opinion on that. In a nutshell, I think that harem anime generally aren't that good. From what I've seen, harem generally aren't made with acclaim as the aim or passion for the project, rather a quick buck, and as a result the quality of such are rather poor. Another factor that may play a part is harems demographic being almost exclusively young boys. |
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| 1. The focus is on the men/women in the harem, not the actual protagonist. Because of that, the main character is often bland and passive. It gets boring when all these characters with different personalities are falling in love with a doormat because he/she is "nice". 2. Sometimes, the men/women in the harem also lack character. I feel like harems prioritize quantity and aesthetic over quality; they'll have a harem full of beautiful guys/girls, but only have 2 that with decent characterization. |
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| harem usually undermines plot and characterization and most often than not harem anime have badly written stories to begin with so there isn't much to seen beside female protagonists interacting with the male protagonist |
| Harem Anime = No plot or characterization due to budget. If your read something like DxD instead of watch it, the LN has a lot more depth to it. |
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| Because people don't understand true greatness it's too complex for their small, casual minds to comprehend |
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| “Not Popular” >Monogatari Series >To Love ru Series >High School DXD Series ^All “Not Popular”. BTW...almost all of these have decent to high ratings....especially Monogatari anime. |
| There was a time when harems were as popular and commonplace as isekais today...and not surprisingly as poorly written. Theoretically nothing obliges harems/reverse harems to be horrible so there are some good exceptions like Tenchi Muyo OVA 1-3, Tenchi Muyo GXP (it's about Seina not Tenchi), Baka to Test to Shoukanjuu (only the first season), Hyakka Ryouran: Samurai Girls (only the first season) and the manga of Mahou Sensein Negima + the manga of UQ Holder... Since harems are mostly otaku pandering and power fantasies 99% of the productions tended to be fast and cheap thus being mostly trash but again similarly to the isekais their popularity was not bound to their quality. Eventually at some point of the time people just had enough of them. |
alshuJun 24, 2019 1:54 AM
| There are plenty of popular harem anime, though they're not highly rated because almost all of them never take themselves seriously and are made for just dumb fun.... |
Because, most of them were episodic and full of nonesense. |
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| I made this topic about it here a while back but essentially whilst in some harems it works in others it seems to just dilute the things one care about for no other reason than to provide a power phantasy. A lot of harems have one primary member that every viewer already knows is going to win which has a well developed personality and interaction and a bunch of add-ons most of whom being uninteresting. Apart from that Harem shows like no other do the "faceless perspective character" thing where the perspective character is purposefully bland and undefined to allow the viewer to insert himself into that character to service the power phantasy; this leads to the main character of a story being uninteresting. There are some harem comedies which play on the absurdity of the concept and are actually legitimately funny but in most the harem detracts and it could easily work without the harem. Fuchsia said: Populafity and acclaim are two very different things. In your ttile you're referring to popularity and in your post you're talking about rating, which is acclaim. You're probably more asking about why they're rated so low, so I'll give my opinion on that. In a nutshell, I think that harem anime generally aren't that good. From what I've seen, harem generally aren't made with acclaim as the aim or passion for the project, rather a quick buck, and as a result the quality of such are rather poor. Another factor that may play a part is harems demographic being almost exclusively young boys. Indeed — be one to look at say Transformers: Dark of the Moon on Rotten Tomatoes it has a very low critical and audience rating but nevertheless was highly profitable; it seems like popularity and acclaim are very much two different things indeed. |
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| The only reason I have a lot of harem anime on my list is, because it's a genre often paired with ecchi. Overall there are only a few really good harem anime, most just use every clichee available and have the same personalities over and over again. Just a quick moneygrab using tropes which are popular. |
| Isn't it popular? DxD, TLR, Monogatari are all some of the most popular series around. They get a lot of hate, sure. In the most silly of ways, because they are mostly blamed for being exactly what they set out to be, but whatever. They definitely are popular, even if there's disagreement when it comes to quality. |
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| Because most of them are writting by hacks who can write for shit, and to have easy success they write harem, which is a genre in which the bar is pretty low. |
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| It is popular If it wasn't they wouldn't be making them in this amount. |
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| There was a point of over-saturation. Lot of overlapping tropes that some find annoying. |
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| I've not seem much harem, but I'd imagine what happened to them is a byproduct of what happens now with isekai as well: oversaturation leads to some people feeling more 'bored' while watching because 'they've seen that done hundred times before'. Even so, both genres are clearly popular and profitable, aside from eventually overlaping. |
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| really? i thought there is too much harem anime few years back before isekai taken over this days |
| They would be better if the main character would actually have to work to get the girls' attention. I hate when they just fall for a dude that did nothing to deserve their love. One girl falls in love with the MC and then her friends fall for him too and the girls around do the same. Why? Because harem. They just look at him and boom! Madly in love. Also, why is the MC always so dumb? The writers usually put an obvious best girl in the story, but the MC never gets with her and makes a bunch of terrible decision instead so he ends up with nobody. That's another thing I don't like about harem animes, often the MC ends up alone like nothing happened. What's the point then? That being said I did enjoy a few harems like To Love-Ru. If the MC is dumb and nobody gets it, at least make a funny show to compensate. |
| I don't like it because I simply prefer a focus on the relationship between two characters. I don't find it enjoyable to watch a bunch of people fighting over one person, I want to see an actual developing relationship. I don't even like watching anime with love triangles as its the same concept. Sadly a large amount of romance anime have at least one love rival so I'm out of luck most of the time. Not to mention that the MCs in harems are often some of the most stale pieces of bread you'll ever see. |
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OliverAnime said: Lotte's Toy did this in an interesting way that never became a true harem show but four of the main characters are succubi and apparently it's a racial trait of them that pretty much anyone wants to offer "coïtal services" to them and to be fair all of them are also really good looking so one can sort of see why.They would be better if the main character would actually have to work to get the girls' attention. I hate when they just fall for a dude that did nothing to deserve their love. One girl falls in love with the MC and then her friends fall for him too and the girls around do the same. Why? Because harem. They just look at him and boom! Madly in love. The problem with most Harem shows is that to offer the illusion of the power phantasy of "average Joe failing at everything can still get a huge harem" is that they indeed make the character an average Joe that did nothing to deserve that. In Lotte, Mercelida is the literal king of the land with a 3000-man harem loved by all who is legitimately gorgeous and Naoya is similarly gorgeous, well-versed in martial arts and apparently has a "monster cock" with both on top of that secreting succubus-pheromones or some other magic, so it makes sense how desired both are. Also, why is the MC always so dumb? The writers usually put an obvious best girl in the story, but the MC never gets with her and makes a bunch of terrible decision instead so he ends up with nobody. That's another thing I don't like about harem animes, often the MC ends up alone like nothing happened. What's the point then? The point is to get an average m.c. as to offer the illusion to the viewer who probably considers himself average that he too can do that; it's purely living in dream world power phantasy. |
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| I dunno, probably because they're all just the exact same borderline pornography and some people who are looking for a recent romance/comedy series often stumble onto another generic I AM A LOSER BUT SOMEHOW THESE 27 GIRLS WANT MY NUT anime? |
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| It's hit-or-miss for me, more miss than hit probably. Harem series (specifically defined as guy with several girls) tend to: * be a vehicle for fanservice, much of which isn't my thing (and boob size jokes are even worse, particularly since I tend to prefer more reasonably-sized body shapes, which means smaller boobs) * involve various awkward romantic rivalry scenes, particularly scenes where characters do glaringly stupid/dangerous/unwise things, often for comedy; and sometimes there are female characters who are doing things that basically constitute sexual harassment of the male lead * have some sort of very contrived setup to get an improbably female cast -- for example, all-girls or formerly all-girls school where one boy is admitted for reasons All of these things are aspects that I don't like. I can still enjoy an anime series with a harem premise, but it's pretty much always because I like something else about it. For example, specifically regards to the romantic relationships in Absolute Duo and to a lesser extent Asterisk War, I like seeing how they become functional partnerships where the two characters in the couple grow to understand, trust, and cooperate with each other. |
GlennMagusHarveyJun 24, 2019 10:47 AM
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| It's not as unpopular or reviled as people make it out to be. I think a lot of it just stems from a lot of the fanbase getting pissed off at having to deal with dumb bullshit in trying to discuss the genre frequently whenever it comes to non-fans, and so they retreat and organize amongst themselves much more prominently than other types of fans, which in turn means that people on public spaces like this don't interact with people who tend to really like them as frequently as they could be doing. Hence, three of the ten largest clubs on this site are themed around harem and ecchi. (I even am the head admin of the biggest one because I'm that fucking cool!) People who are active here like me and Mamster and Dekn meet most of the other fans we know, either through clubs or because they sought us out after seeing us post somewhere. Bumbling into them on a place like AD is exceptionally rare. It's an insular environment for the most part, basically. Me and the very few others who actually have the balls to venture out onto a public forum are (often unfortunately) the primary means of communication you people have ended up with when it comes to this audience and people who vehemently support this type of series as a result. I mean, I get *why* too, it's fucking exhausting getting called a neckbeard virgin incel basement dweller or being told that you hate women just for liking a certain type of anime, which happens more often than I feel like people like to admit. It's stressful and exhausting and feels pointless and stupid, but y'know, I get by talking about how much I hate the rest of you if you ever have kept up with my posts <3 I could repress myself for politesse's sake if I don't want to feel like such an unwanted pariah amongst the rest of you, but unfortunately I am not a pussy, or I don't consider myself to be at least. I like spending time collecting personal anecdotes from other fans whenever the topic of dealing with non-fans comes up, just to remind myself just how fucked this fandom can be. It's like stamp collecting almost. I also do think that because this niche definitely exists, and is probably one of the - if not the - largest "niche" in the anime fandom, and the way that anime is very heavily word-of-mouth oriented with the west still, that combo causes people to pay attention to these types of series specifically a lot more. That, and the amount of discussion they tend to generate in general. Threads like this make people aware of them. These threads pop up all of the time. And people who go into "anime fan" areas and not just "ecchi fan" areas tend to be idiots like me who are really, really ready to argue and defend this type of content, prolonging discussions and making them even more prominent and visible in the process. In turn, this can make people think "Oh I really maybe should see if I'm into this type of content," and when they're not, bada-bing-bada-boom, they rate it lowly. Because it isn't made to appeal to the largest possible audience, stuff that pronounces these things to heavily still tend to be niche with a few major breakthroughs here and there for whatever god-given reason. I don't think harems (or ecchi) would be nearly as advertised or talked about if the western anime community wasn't so reliant on word of mouth, honestly. If you've ever looked up things like BD sales then you'd know they are extremely far from a cash cow type of series and I don't think a business would benefit by making these types of series ultra-prominent except in cases that are exceptional. |
ManabanJun 24, 2019 11:00 AM
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| its still more popular than it should be , but hopefully this garbage trash genre will die out quick |
| The idea of havin to choose doesn't sit well with most of people. The fact is that rarely harem show doesn't let you have to choose since the only presentable option is harem itself not just single girl. The best of harem is when harem route is the natural outcome. |
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| For how trash the whole genre is, I'd say harem anime is rated too high. |
| Being a huge Romance fanatic, I really support the idea of just a single couple over a guy having 3 to 4 girls behind him.... I tend to feel more emotion with just one boy and girl basically..... I have seen some good harem anime too, but i don't feel the same level of romance or emotion. |
| If harem anime was as bad as many people say it is then anime studios wouldn't make it. These anime studios aren't making it for free. They do it to make money.So obviously people do like it. People complaining about harem anime is just more bitching about shows they don't watch. I love harem anime. |
| For me, I rather have one couple ahead rather than living in the unknown... I don't mind himher having more than one suiter, but I love when I know who she'she's going to end with. Examples (And no, the question is not about if the animes are good in general or not) 1) Ouran High Schook Host Club is labeled as a harem, but though everyone is fond of her in some way... there's not much question which guy she will choose. 2) Gakusen Toshi Asterisk looks like Harem... but he seems interested in one more than the other (I don't know what happens later in the manga, but still) 3) Tears to Tiara is actually one of the weirdest harems... I don't it is labeled as a harem, but it talks about... actual harem when few are married to the same man. And they totally don't mind from one another. But still, if you had to choose a girl from him, that's quite an obvious choice (though he doesn't look at either of them romantically, and let's be real... the girs aren't as well). 4) Ranma 1\2 is harem and reverse harem, but again, there's no much question That's why I didn't mind the "harem" in neither. For example, in Masamune-kun's revenge it started to feel like "what...?" in Uta no prince-sama it felt pathetic... Dance with Devils... well, it was easy to guess who's she's end with... but those guys were so pathetic... So yeah |
EfiChanJun 24, 2019 2:12 PM
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| Guessing because it has ridiculous amounts of fanservice and is pretty predictable |
| For me it's mostly that most of them are very generic, thus there isn't much of a point in watching them. I don't like the harem element either. I like it when MC picks one girl. And in harems 5 bitches usually fight over the most generic guy imaginable. It's not so hard for them to see that he has no interest in 4 of them anyway, so the whole thing about them sabotaging each other and letting MC grope them at usually inappropriate times annoys the hell out of me. I also dislike that most of them have very little or no romance progression between the one that's clearly the girl of choice for the MC. And if they have any progression they usually end with open ending just so they don't piss fanboys of other girls (and this unfortunately applies to fair share of anime romance besides harem too). Really pointless endeavour. The only reason why I would watch harem is either story (and 90% of harems are generic so it's rare to get that element out of it) or fan service (for which there are plenty of good shows with no harem to piss me off). Which disqualifies most of them. The only harems I can generally handle are those where MC picks girl early on and rest of them stop bothering him. Soft harems like Monogatari et al. Besides that I usually either don't even pick them up or I drop them fast. I used to kinda enjoy them before, so maybe it comes with age too. |
MrZawaJun 24, 2019 2:36 PM
| Because the only purpose of this genre is self-insertion for pitiful otaku jerks. That's why this muck always has extremely low quality |
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| Harem animes and your tittle have 1 thing in common. They are both terrible. A proper tittle would have been "Why is the harem genre underrated?" |
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| personally, I don't hate harem but there is just A LOT of bad harem anime imo that just don't have that great of a story and are more focused on giving fanservice etc but rarely you see an anime where it's implemented well. |
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Sphinxter said: The point is to get an average m.c. as to offer the illusion to the viewer who probably considers himself average that he too can do that; it's purely living in dream world power phantasy. Thanks Sphinxter for the reply. It makes sense and I never thought of it that way actually. Although let's be honest here it's not like your average Joe can get a harem as crazy as what we see in anime so like you said, it's pure fantasy. At that point though we could talk about the advantages and disadvantages of that genre. What good does it do to fantasize about having a harem when it's so far out of reach? Dreaming about a relationship is one thing, but dreaming about having many at the same time is another. Anyway, let's not get too in-depth you get what I mean haha. Thanks again for the reply, great thoughts in there. |
OliverAnime said: Quite: I noticed two things recently:Sphinxter said: The point is to get an average m.c. as to offer the illusion to the viewer who probably considers himself average that he too can do that; it's purely living in dream world power phantasy. Thanks Sphinxter for the reply. It makes sense and I never thought of it that way actually. Although let's be honest here it's not like your average Joe can get a harem as crazy as what we see in anime so like you said, it's pure fantasy. At that point though we could talk about the advantages and disadvantages of that genre. What good does it do to fantasize about having a harem when it's so far out of reach? Dreaming about a relationship is one thing, but dreaming about having many at the same time is another. Anyway, let's not get too in-depth you get what I mean haha. Thanks again for the reply, great thoughts in there. I read Teacher's Pet which is a comic targeted at a female demographic; in this particular case it's from the perspective of a female schoolteacher that gets repeatedly violently raped by two desirable males. In this particular case the female schoolteacher looks very average but the males both look very good to again serve the phantasy to the at this point female reader with a rape kink that though he be average-looking he too can one day get raped by attractive males. I also first watched the t.v.-adaptation of Lotte's Toy and after that the source material and I immediately noticed upon reading the latter that various elements were altered to make it more accessible to a mainstream male audience. The more extreme lolicon elements were removed; all the boy-love and incest elements were completely removed from it; male-centred fan-service was completely toned down but interestingly enough the main male protagonist was simply made to not look as attractive for whatever reason. In the original source material the main male character is not a "perspective character" but just a character that is depicted as and noted to be highly attractive. They seemed to have toned that down and also seemingly omitted all references to his very large penis. I feel they did this to again better create this phantasy as well as removing multiple personality quirks to make the character more faceless and bland to better serve the goal of having the (expectedly male) viewer place himself into the character's shoes. |
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| I think that most of the harem animes either have an uninteresting story or characters. Although there are good ones like Zero no Tsukaima or Yamada-kun to 7-nin where the focus isnt set on the harem aspect. |
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