Tsukeru-kun said: Shingster said: Unless its done by Japanese media which is unlikely i doubt it will become a thing. 90% of the worlds anime is produced in Japan and their studios have plenty of freedom to create what they want without interference from the government. Western media may bark all they want but there's little they can do to affect anime. Well... japanese media is very censorship heavy. :/ Everything with brutality or sexuality is censored in anime what is sad, but it doesn't mean you must politicize animes its jsut stupid. I guess we just have to see. Personally i think the anime industry is fine as it is |
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AdolChri said: Gabriel_P_Forest said: It was a problem back then as well. That's sort of the point. We fought for so long to liberate art from conservative and Christian censorship that we are not willing to allow this to happen again. We were getting better for a while, but then liberal censorship took over where the conservatives left off. Those of us who've experienced both the censorship of old and the modern lessening of said censorship are not willing to hand over entertainment to any more of these groups just because a new political ideology is in town. Anime and manga are still widely censored by conservatives in Japan and committees and producers that won't take risk, so instead of worrying about liberal "infesting" Japan maybe you should worry about those... oh wait, several of the people who use "SJW" are pretty content with conservative censorship. Probably because they don't see that as Censorship xd Hell they are probably even against Bigger corporations (who can give Studios more Resources) taking it over from the Japanese production Committees (who pay the studios poorly) without realizing that more Resources mostly result into better quality, in other words "They have accepted mediocrity" but to be honest, I rather have it uncensored. |
| Ehhh, I pretty much would like to know Japan's stance on tis one especially prominent studios. Will it be a thing? I has been. But will it eat the whole thing? I dunno. |
| lol no. This retarded "comicgate" shit is no where near the size of what gamergate was. There were numerous factors that caused gamergate besides muh SJWs and I see little to no reason to believe that any similar events would act as a catalyst for "animegate". Even then, gamergate was mostly just retarded incels barking at eachother about retarded shit 90% of the American public, hell, 90% of the gaming community couldn't give two shits about. |
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simonephone said: it happened with marvel comics, the new comics weren't selling so well though so most got the axe.... still a lot of damage done though (inside the comics and real life changes). Worry that a lot of their new hires while they were trying to be more "inclusive" may still be around and not really sure how many jobs were affected in general Deknijff said: I am unaware of it happening as of right now at least what current fans are afraid of is it happening in the near future. I don't know of anyone at least saying its currently happening as of right now. Why are you afraid of and complaining about all the outsiders demanding companies stop making things fans want if you don't know of anybody doing this? When it started going south marvel even attacked its fans for "not wanting diversity" (of course backpedaled there) Edit: @Deknijff you should read about "SJW marvel", it's kind of a good thing since it showed how it's not that easy to mess with a hobby you arent even in to buy the bad part was how easy it was for the ones that were to "infiltrate" the company and get jobs partly based on things like race and gender (and worrying to think how many sjws are still around there) |
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Killaclown said: simonephone said: it happened with marvel comics, the new comics weren't selling so well though so most got the axe.... still a lot of damage done though (inside the comics and real life changes). Worry that a lot of their new hires while they were trying to be more "inclusive" may still be around and not really sure how many jobs were affected in general Why are you afraid of and complaining about all the outsiders demanding companies stop making things fans want if you don't know of anybody doing this? When it started going south marcel even attacked its fans for "not wanting diversity" (of course backpedaled there) The problem is, I didn't even really hear about them being more "progressive" or anything. I bought a lot of new 52 nightwings so not like I wasn't hanging around a comic shop waiting for my next issue. Constantine Hellblazer was the other I bought for I got a lot of graphic novels lol. And got some Lucifer too. Because of course I do. :P but yeah those two were my first ones. Then Nightwing because ANGST. I heard about some things with those sooooooooo I went out and bought them. Clearly I lingered on the DC side of things. XD |
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Psyotic said: lol no. This retarded "comicgate" shit is no where near the size of what gamergate was. There were numerous factors that caused gamergate besides muh SJWs and I see little to no reason to believe that any similar events would act as a catalyst for "animegate". Even then, gamergate was mostly just retarded incels barking at eachother about retarded shit 90% of the American public, hell, 90% of the gaming community couldn't give two shits about. People tried to explain it to me, but I swear I just can't remember what the fuck Gamergate is or why I should care about it more than 5 minutes. Sure heard about it a lot here tho @_@ |
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| I get where you're coming from, but I'm not too worried about it. I'm more focused on why everything has to have a fucking "gate" after it now... Does anyone even remember what that's a reference to, or do they just do it because somehow adding "gate" makes even the stupidest problems sound important. Not taking a shot at you personally, just ..seriously, why can't people come up with something else. |
Energetic-Nova said: hahaha apparently, surprised you missed it, they made the "genius" idea to shelf some of their currently most famous heroes that were riding that Avengers fame to replace them with more "progressive" counterparts hoping to be able to use the fame to help sells for these new characters.Killaclown said: it happened with marvel comics, the new comics weren't selling so well though so most got the axe.... still a lot of damage done though (inside the comics and real life changes). Worry that a lot of their new hires while they were trying to be more "inclusive" may still be around and not really sure how many jobs were affected in general When it started going south marcel even attacked its fans for "not wanting diversity" (of course backpedaled there) The problem is, I didn't even really hear about them being more "progressive" or anything. I bought a lot of new 52 nightwings so not like I wasn't hanging around a comic shop waiting for my next issue. Constantine Hellblazer was the other I bought for I got a lot of graphic novels lol. And got some Lucifer too. Because of course I do. :P but yeah those two were my first ones. Then Nightwing because ANGST. I heard about some things with those sooooooooo I went out and bought them. Clearly I lingered on the DC side of things. XD Though they've been making bad decisions in general recently from what I hear so i guess it wasnt the biggest news in marvel maybe |
Killaclown said: Energetic-Nova said: hahaha apparently, surprised you missed it, they made the "genius" idea to shelf some of their currently most famous heroes that were riding that Avengers fame to replace them with more "progressive" counterparts hoping to be able to use the fame to help sells for these new characters.The problem is, I didn't even really hear about them being more "progressive" or anything. I bought a lot of new 52 nightwings so not like I wasn't hanging around a comic shop waiting for my next issue. Constantine Hellblazer was the other I bought for I got a lot of graphic novels lol. And got some Lucifer too. Because of course I do. :P but yeah those two were my first ones. Then Nightwing because ANGST. I heard about some things with those sooooooooo I went out and bought them. Clearly I lingered on the DC side of things. XD Though they've been making bad decisions in general recently from what I hear so i guess it wasnt the biggest news in marvel maybe It isn't as if New 52 was a "great" idea either. Maybe comic fans just don't like change. lol. Starfire has been trashed as a character for a long long time. |
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Killaclown said: Setsuei said: probably a reference to Watergate but could also be the idea that elitist fans are acting as gatekeepers to these "new fans"I get where you're coming from, but I'm not too worried about it. I'm more focused on why everything has to have a fucking "gate" after it now... Does anyone even remember what that's a reference to, or do they just do it because somehow adding "gate" makes even the stupidest problems sound important. Not taking a shot at you personally, just ..seriously, why can't people come up with something else. I was thinking Watergate also, but that would mean people find stuff like this ,deflategate and so on are of equal importance to what happened then. And honestly..I don't really think they are for the most part. Or like I said, they do it because it sounds catchy. I can see the "gatekeeper" angle too though. |
Energetic-Nova said: there will be more controversy over her soon, I know she's always been a little "tanned" but the actress playing her in the show looks like a female wesley snipes..... not that any of the other characters look any good thoughIt isn't as if New 52 was a "great" idea either. Maybe comic fans just don't like change. lol. Starfire has been trashed as a character for a long long time. |
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Setsuei said: at this point they are probably just referencing gamergate so I dont think watergate is a part anymoreKillaclown said: probably a reference to Watergate but could also be the idea that elitist fans are acting as gatekeepers to these "new fans" I was thinking Watergate also, but that would mean people find stuff like this ,deflategate and so on are of equal importance to what happened then. And honestly..I don't really think they are for the most part. Or like I said, they do it because it sounds catchy. I can see the "gatekeeper" angle too though. |
Energetic-Nova said: Clearly I lingered on the DC side of things. XD I'm more DC myself. I actually liked New 52 but I guess most of the fanbase didn't XD Still, I like what they're doing now now. On topic, DC actually managed to introduce more diversity in their comics without ruining the existing heroes so that makes them #1 in my book. Setsuei said: I get where you're coming from, but I'm not too worried about it. I'm more focused on why everything has to have a fucking "gate" after it now... Does anyone even remember what that's a reference to, or do they just do it because somehow adding "gate" makes even the stupidest problems sound important. Not taking a shot at you personally, just ..seriously, why can't people come up with something else. I dunno why the gate-everything. It used to annoy me but I guess now I just go with it. I'm assuming its related to watergate originally but in this case its probably more because of gamergate. Killaclown said: there will be more controversy over her soon, I know she's always been a little "tanned" but the actress playing her in the show looks like a female wesley snipes..... not that any of the other characters look any good though You're talking about Titans right? Aren't they going to paint the actress green so she looks like the actual Starfire? |
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MartinAcademia said: Gator said: I don't get it, what is the thing you fear exactly? Mass SJW campaign against anime and its fans. Its what happened with video games. Gamergate was real ugly and now games are politicized and many get censored. ...You seem a bit confused. Gamergate had nothing to do with (sigh) "SJW's attacking the video game industry". A lady made a game, someone mentioned it in passing a video-game article, then the lady's ex-boyfriend made up a nasty story about her and told it to a bunch of nerds, and the nerds believed it because nerds can be idiots where women are involved. Not that anime fans would know anything about that. *cough* A true animegate would be a feminist anime critic on, say, Youtube, talking about sexist trends she sees in anime before being constantly harassed by fanboys with no perspective for the crime of expressing her opinion on a medium of art. This may have happened already (I would not be surprised), but I've yet to see such a harassment campaign garner the same kind of media attention gamergate did. Is it because there are few feminist anime critics, or because outbursts like what we saw in gamergate have made them more cautious? Hard to say. Feminist anime critics exist, (like on this site right here), but anime remains a more niche genre than video games in the west. It's possible that media simply doesn't pay as much attention to the anime fandom. But don't worry. I'm sure our community will continue to grow, because it is clearly so incredibly welcoming towards newcomers and people who are different. :) /sarcasm |
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| This shouldn't affect Anime since Japan doesn't give a fuck about the West. Although Streaming sites like Crunchyroll and Dubs might get affect. I don't watch dubs or use streaming sites so it shouldn't affect me. |
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Fvlminatvs said: I've been anticipating this for a while, actually. Japanese anime is different from Japanese video games but still, there are similarities, such as how both have to get imported to non-Japanese regions. The distributors need only listen to the SJWs and suddenly, you get anti-gamergate messages in your dub (this has actually happened but I forget which show it was), "selective" translating and localizing in order to remove "offensive" and "problematic" material (which has already happened in games: https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/04/danmachi-memoria-freese-censored-english-gamers-localizers-say-not-censorship/55636/), certain "offensive" anime don't get licensed and localized, and Japan starts flat-out refusing to send certain shows overseas (such as that one Dead or Alive game). “Hi! Official DanMemo Community Team here. The “touching” feature was removed from the English version of the game, yes. Not as a matter of censorship or depriving non-Japanese audiences of anything, but due to what is appropriate and not appropriate for English audiences. Hope that answers your question!” --quote from DanMemo Team justifying censorship while denying it's censorship This is some amazing doublespeak right there. I mean, taking something out because it is deemed "inappropriate for an audience" falls under the definition of censorship. Yup. And Crunchyroll is involved with that. And with the pressure on (and virus-happy state of) many torrent and streaming pirate fansub sites, getting your anime uncut and untampered-with is going to become more and more difficult. I have noticed that almost all the English dubs of anime (that I have seen, at least) seem very shallow and much less intense that Japanize dubs with subtitles. For example, my sister talked my mom into watching part of My Hero Academia with us as long as we watched the English dub. The dub seemed very childish in comparison to the Japanize dub, and had removed many of the more mature puns and language from the episodes. The whole thing felt like one of today's cheesy Saturday morning cartoons aimed at ten-year-olds, rather than the TV-14 anime that it is. This is kind of a weird example, but several years ago, me and my brother got into Beyblade during Metal Fusion and the following series. As we were not yet aware of anime's existence, we had watched it in the English dub. A couple years later, I found the Japanize dub online, and watched a few episodes for old times' sake. I was quite surprised about how much more mature the Japanize dub was. There was some amount of swearing and name-calling that hadn't been present in the English version. |
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TeamBlackTalon said: Fvlminatvs said: I've been anticipating this for a while, actually. Japanese anime is different from Japanese video games but still, there are similarities, such as how both have to get imported to non-Japanese regions. The distributors need only listen to the SJWs and suddenly, you get anti-gamergate messages in your dub (this has actually happened but I forget which show it was), "selective" translating and localizing in order to remove "offensive" and "problematic" material (which has already happened in games: https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/04/danmachi-memoria-freese-censored-english-gamers-localizers-say-not-censorship/55636/), certain "offensive" anime don't get licensed and localized, and Japan starts flat-out refusing to send certain shows overseas (such as that one Dead or Alive game). This is some amazing doublespeak right there. I mean, taking something out because it is deemed "inappropriate for an audience" falls under the definition of censorship. Yup. And Crunchyroll is involved with that. And with the pressure on (and virus-happy state of) many torrent and streaming pirate fansub sites, getting your anime uncut and untampered-with is going to become more and more difficult. I have noticed that almost all the English dubs of anime (that I have seen, at least) seem very shallow and much less intense that Japanize dubs with subtitles. For example, my sister talked my mom into watching part of My Hero Academia with us as long as we watched the English dub. The dub seemed very childish in comparison to the Japanize dub, and had removed many of the more mature puns and language from the episodes. The whole thing felt like one of today's cheesy Saturday morning cartoons aimed at ten-year-olds, rather than the TV-14 anime that it is. This is kind of a weird example, but several years ago, me and my brother got into Beyblade during Metal Fusion and the following series. As we were not yet aware of anime's existence, we had watched it in the English dub. A couple years later, I found the Japanize dub online, and watched a few episodes for old times' sake. I was quite surprised about how much more mature the Japanize dub was. There was some amount of swearing and name-calling that hadn't been present in the English version. Japanese swears are different than English swears. Like Half-breed is a swear in Japanese. Calling someone "foreigner" is a swear. Implying someone has impure blood with other words is considered something worth censoring. The words translated to Fuck and Shit pretty much aren't a big deal. Kisama is a sarcastic swear that gets translated into Bastard a lot but really... it means the equivilent of calling someone Einstein. Meanwhile, If you watched say, Hetalia in Japanese and then in English, you would know just how much more racist Hetalia in English feels. So in otherwords, anime which deal in "half-breeds" and "impure blood" are more likely to be legitimately offensive. Such as Inuyasha, Devilman, or Evangelion. Or if you want it in a more realistic sense.... Kids on the Slope. |
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Killaclown said: LOL only Fem Thor ended and Falcon gave back the shield to the real Cap (the one that was Hydra was a fake) but still has his own comic line. Riri is still there, Kamala is still there, X23 is still Wolverine etc.it happened with marvel comics, the new comics weren't selling so well though so most got the axe.... Fem Thor actually did outsell OG Thor. https://www.polygon.com/2015/3/20/8267191/female-thor-outselling-thor-god-of-thunder |
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DrGeroCreation said: well supposedly it's hard to account for sales due to digital copies Killaclown said: LOL only Fem Thor ended and Falcon gave back the shield to the real Cap (the one that was Hydra was a fake) but still has his own comic line. Riri is still there, Kamala is still there, X23 is still Wolverine etc.it happened with marvel comics, the new comics weren't selling so well though so most got the axe.... Fem Thor actually did outsell OG Thor. https://www.polygon.com/2015/3/20/8267191/female-thor-outselling-thor-god-of-thunder Well enough of them got the axe for it to be news https://www.polygon.com/comics/2017/12/22/16810138/marvel-exec-insists-wave-of-cancellations-not-motivated-by-books-diversity Though the remaining ones are worrying since they'll just try to do it again. I hear DC did a better job at including diversity which probably didn't involve insulting fans.... at times even in the comics (and not in a lighthearted way) |
Killaclown said: I hear DC did a better job at including diversity which probably didn't involve insulting fans.... at times even in the comics (and not in a lighthearted way) It's true. DC introduced new characters instead of just gender/ethnic swapping existing heroes. What Marvel did was pretty insulting to women and minorities too; they essentially said "The only way female and non-white characters can be popular is if they're riding a white male heroes' popularity" What DC did introduces new heroes, makes their universe richer and more importantly, no one will remember the new heroes as "Hey look, its black Superman", they'll remember them as heroes in their own rights. With that said none of them have become that popular yet. But that's normal; if you remember, any new heroes that makes his/her debut takes a while to be fully established and this initiative is new. But that's the point though, making new heroes is risky and takes time and Marvel wasn't willing to put in the effort. |
Killaclown said: Digital sales are accounted for as well.That isn't the majority and in that same article it says Iceman, America and Luke Cage were selling well. DrGeroCreation said: well supposedly it's hard to account for sales due to digital copies LOL only Fem Thor ended and Falcon gave back the shield to the real Cap (the one that was Hydra was a fake) but still has his own comic line. Riri is still there, Kamala is still there, X23 is still Wolverine etc. Fem Thor actually did outsell OG Thor. https://www.polygon.com/2015/3/20/8267191/female-thor-outselling-thor-god-of-thunder Well enough of them got the axe for it to be news https://www.polygon.com/comics/2017/12/22/16810138/marvel-exec-insists-wave-of-cancellations-not-motivated-by-books-diversity Though the remaining ones are worrying since they'll just try to do it again. I hear DC did a better job at including diversity which probably didn't involve insulting fans.... at times even in the comics (and not in a lighthearted way) |
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DrGeroCreation said: Without the same transparency on digital and trade sales that fans have comic shop pre-orders, it’s impossible for them to know what other factors led into Marvel’s decisions. They just have to take Quesada’s word for it:"Killaclown said: "Digital sales are accounted for as well.That isn't the majority and in that same article it says Iceman, America and Luke Cage were selling well. well supposedly it's hard to account for sales due to digital copies Well enough of them got the axe for it to be news https://www.polygon.com/comics/2017/12/22/16810138/marvel-exec-insists-wave-of-cancellations-not-motivated-by-books-diversity Though the remaining ones are worrying since they'll just try to do it again. I hear DC did a better job at including diversity which probably didn't involve insulting fans.... at times even in the comics (and not in a lighthearted way) Why would it go through all this trouble and cancel if it wasnt about sells? (I guess the artists/writers could have been unbearable or something) |
| @Killaclown There could be conflict with the writers etc. If there isn't the same transparency with digital sales then there is no evidence that those comics had bad digital sales. Also to my knowledge digital sales aren't a major factor for determining the profitability of any comic. Psyotic said: Gamergate wouldn't have been such a shitshow if triggered idiots hadn't sent Sarkeesian and those other women death threats so that they could run to the media and claim gamers hate women. Those dumbfucks on 4chan easily played into Sarkeesian's hands.lol no. This retarded "comicgate" shit is no where near the size of what gamergate was. There were numerous factors that caused gamergate besides muh SJWs and I see little to no reason to believe that any similar events would act as a catalyst for "animegate". |
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DrGeroCreation said: never said there was evidence, just that marvel canceled them because (according to marvel) they weren't doing as well as hoped. Dont really see what marvel would have to gain other than if the writers sucked, but hey believe what you will@Killaclown There could be conflict with the writers etc. If there isn't the same transparency with digital sales then there is no evidence that those comics had bad digital sales. Also to my knowledge digital sales aren't a major factor for determining the profitability of any comic. |
Clebardman said: I just can't remember why I should care about it more than 5 minutes. Maybe because it looks futile compared to the events it borrown the name from. Gamergate seems like a big thing made of nothing, what a way to make a stupid poun around serious business. |
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Tsukeru-kun said: Bourmegar said: Probably because they don't see that as Censorship xd Hell they are probably even against Bigger corporations (who can give Studios more Resources) taking it over from the Japanese production Committees (who pay the studios poorly) without realizing that more Resources mostly result into better quality, in other words "They have accepted mediocrity" but to be honest, I rather have it uncensored. Hypocrisy at finest... if yo censor its bad if i do its great! and if we come to censorship, everyone knows trump doesnt have love for video games. Heh irresponsible Politicians who love Scapegoats don't have a love for Violent video games. same can be said about these "Feminists" "Feminists" (I use " for a reason) also end up being hypocrites tbh. |
| lmao, the panic mongers never stop. Tbh if people on MAL wouldn't constantly talk about, I'd never even have known what gamergate is or was. That's how 'big' it was. It had zero impact on anything I ever wanted to do, heard, said, played or consumed. So I guess in that sense animegate might already be happening and I'M just giving the same amounts of fucks as always, zero. You gotta have a certain 'mindset' to see certain things as 'censorship' or 'SJW propaganda', and that mindset involves a lot of terms like 'gay agenda' or maybe even 'jewish agenda' and other random 'agendas' while not caring about actual censorship but rather the mere presence of certain elements you dislike in media, and trying to paint it as 'censorship' that these elements are present at all. Because obviously noone in their right mind would ever want to see LGBT or or other minorities in meaningful roles in media, and the only way you can get artists to come up with stories like that is by forcing them to do it with SJW propaganda and forcing rewrites on their original works, which are most likely just full of white hetero males. Cause those are the only stories that are natural, anything else is forced by some 'agenda'. I don't have that mindset, so I never understood 90% of the complaints from people about that kind of stuff, be it in live action, comics or now anime. |
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| @Pullman That's some heavy bluepill here. Without getting into politics (Though 90% of it is about politics). It's almost dumb that i HAVE to say this, but no, it isn't because "we hate minorities". Most of it is that people like the general framework that anime is right now, and they don't want a radical transformation like many western media suffered (And that didn't end well). If you come to think of it, anime already had diverse casts, homossexuality and other taboo topics long before this "post-modernist west trend" even started and no one ever complained, which just makes your argument of "They don't think minorities are normal" dumber. |
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