Deknijff said: I haven't read anywhere about movie fans causing a boost in comic sales.DrGeroCreation said: hmmmm No I don't believe they made any change in business approach. thats interesting Perhaps it could be the movie fans that are now starting to buy the comics more and more I can picture that at least being the case |
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| Well i think these so called SJWs can only affect netflix original animes which are only available on netflix. |
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xShinigami3125 said: I see I see Deknijff said: so the fear of Outsiders changing the medium is unjustified as long as everyone does 10 seconds of ResearchI didn't say it invalidates their opinion if they're right they're right But when it comes to talking about an entire medium and what it offers experience and knowledge is needed so that we don't have a bunch of people who know next to nothing spouting nonsense yes indeed 10 seconds is all it takes  |
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| Oh, more fear-mongering "the evil SJW are invading anime" threads. We totally don't have one every week since as far as I can remember. It still didn't happen. Off-topic, one does not drop NGE at ep13. At least watch ep 14 for the lulz (^: |
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| I don't know if I can believe those articles because let's face it, Japan is a very conservative country. Sure they might listen to them but it will probably be this ear in other ear out thing even with the likes of Netflix and Sony (who already own parts of Toei btw). If it does happen I'd be sad though because, as a sex positive feminist myself, I do not see anything wrong with the perversion in anime as long as it's not pure objectivication. The ones complaining are usually the ones who stumbled upon one sexist anime and base their conclusion on that while it's hardly a good representation. I don't know what happened at gamergate since I'm not a gamer and I've only heard about it last year but from what I heard it wasn't pretty and I think I can still see the remains of it on this forum. |
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| i dont know about SJW stuff, but every country has it’s censorship laws, and Japanese anime industry is bounded by, you know, Japanese censorhip laws. but yeah, to be able to be aired overseas, the anime has to meet the criteria of the censorship law in the respective country, but there’s always a certain western audience that demand too much censor. it’ll ruin the western industries for sure, but whatever they do, it only make it harder for themselves, especially anime fans from what i see, there’s only one rule of Japanese censorship law, not showing any genital and pubic hair, with the use of mosaic, that’s it. outside of that, it will not breaking any law whatever kind of anime they will make. it can piss people off for sure, it maybe can create ruckus like RapeLay in 2009, but it’s perfectly legal and not against the law as for games, isn’t there are already a rating organizations for game such as ESRB for USA, PEGI for Europe, and CERI and CESA for Japan that supervise and controls what and which should be appropriate?. this is suppose to be a very standard procedure before releasing a game isn’t it, how can a minority voice has so much power against an already established organization |
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AdolChri said: xShinigami3125 said: Basically right wings assholes harassing people under the guise of "game journalism"Wtf is Gamergate and what is this supposed to be ? The kind of people who cry SJW when there are gay characters in videogames. I knew xd I just wanted one of them to justify that bs |
| Even though Japanese do not even care about western opinions, producer would listen if the oversea market overtook the industry, and if that happen self-censorship would be taken to please its new targeted audience and anime would never be the same. Just from how people attacking Eromanga Sensei and Citrus on the Internet for reasons of political incorrectness, and how money from other countries getting into the industry, it is a legit concern. |
| I don't think animegate is going to be a thing....too many syllables. It just doesn't roll off the tongue well like gamergate did. |
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Deknijff said: jal90 said: As I said above the worries of fans are that an outside source will interfere with the market and not actual fans who do buy the product So do the so-called "SJWs" as consumers of the anime, so... is there a point in this debate? xShinigami3125 said: In most cases those people aren't fans and won't be fans even after the change so they actually have very small rights of complaint unlike real fans They do but so do the "Evil leftists SJW" or whatever the current fans of a medium claiming ownership of it is just childish and shows a serious case of reality loss Sounds to me like you're the one who wants to censor people. You wanna censor the so called sjws from criticizing your precious animes. |
AdolChri said: nbyung09 said: Even though Japanese do not even care about western opinions, producer would listen if the oversea market overtook the industry, and if that happen self-censorship would be taken to please its new targeted audience and anime would never be the same. Just from how people attacking Eromanga Sensei and Citrus on the Internet for reasons of political incorrectness, and how money from other countries getting into the industry, it is a legit concern. I'm pretty sure eromanga gets attacked for being shit. From animation, character designs, stories, comedies to musics. Which part of it is bad? Most criticism towards Eromanga Sensei ultimately would come down to it's identity as an incest harem comedy. |
simonephone said: Last I checked though I wasn't going to companies and demanding them to stop catering towards that group of fans as they've always done Deknijff said: Sounds to me like you're the one who wants to censor people. You wanna censor the so called sjws from criticizing your precious animes.As I said above the worries of fans are that an outside source will interfere with the market and not actual fans who do buy the product In most cases those people aren't fans and won't be fans even after the change so they actually have very small rights of complaint unlike real fans Im simply saying they don't know what they're talking about or lack the necessary experience to talk about the subject like an actual fan who watches the medium Is disproving nonsense considered censorship now or something? |
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| They can change nothing in the anime from nippon itself, what they can change are subs and of course dubs. So in the end they will change nothing at all. |
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Deknijff said: simonephone said: Last I checked though I wasn't going to companies and demanding them to stop catering towards that group of fans as they've always done Sounds to me like you're the one who wants to censor people. You wanna censor the so called sjws from criticizing your precious animes. Im simply saying they don't know what they're talking about or lack the necessary experience to talk about the subject like an actual fan who watches the medium Is disproving nonsense considered censorship now or something? So you're fine with people expressing whatever criticisms they have, even if you don't agree with it, as long as they're not directing those complaints directly at the company? Cause it seemed like you were implying in your previous posts that they didn't have a right to complain in the first place as they're not "true fans". |
simonephone said: I have no problem with them going to companies even. I have a problem with them demanding companies to stop making things fans want when they're outsiders Deknijff said: So you're fine with people expressing whatever criticisms they have, even if you don't agree with it, as long as they're not directing those complaints directly at the company? Cause it seemed like you were implying in your previous posts that they didn't have a right to complain in the first place as they're not "true fans". Last I checked though I wasn't going to companies and demanding them to stop catering towards that group of fans as they've always done Im simply saying they don't know what they're talking about or lack the necessary experience to talk about the subject like an actual fan who watches the medium Is disproving nonsense considered censorship now or something? |
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Deknijff said: simonephone said: I have no problem with them going to companies even. I have a problem with them demanding companies to stop making things fans want when they're outsiders So you're fine with people expressing whatever criticisms they have, even if you don't agree with it, as long as they're not directing those complaints directly at the company? Cause it seemed like you were implying in your previous posts that they didn't have a right to complain in the first place as they're not "true fans". What you're talking about seems really specific, is this happening with anime at all? Are you talking about like a specific company? |
| Yes, more or less that's where we stand right now. |
| If “real fans” continue to not buy anime and more people who you see as sjw watch anime and buy anime... who should be catered to? The person who buys or the person who steals? |
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simonephone said: I am unaware of it happening as of right now at least Deknijff said: What you're talking about seems really specific, is this happening with anime at all? Are you talking about like a specific company?I have no problem with them going to companies even. I have a problem with them demanding companies to stop making things fans want when they're outsiders what current fans are afraid of is it happening in the near future. I don't know of anyone at least saying its currently happening as of right now. |
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Energetic-Nova said: If “real fans” continue to not buy anime and more people who you see as sjw watch anime and buy anime... who should be catered to? The person who buys or the person who steals? You know what? I actually agree with this sentiment. If the only people paying for horrid "localizations" are social justice advocates and the people in charge of said localizations openly encourage people not to use or purchase their services then there is no reason for people to use said services. |
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Deknijff said: simonephone said: I am unaware of it happening as of right now at least What you're talking about seems really specific, is this happening with anime at all? Are you talking about like a specific company? what current fans are afraid of is it happening in the near future. I don't know of anyone at least saying its currently happening as of right now. Why are you afraid of and complaining about all the outsiders demanding companies stop making things fans want if you don't know of anybody doing this? |
| no not again with the fucking gates what is with you people? call it something else pls |
Guilion said: if you do not buy the product, your opinion does not matter. If another group of people buys the product, their opinion does matter. Energetic-Nova said: If “real fans” continue to not buy anime and more people who you see as sjw watch anime and buy anime... who should be catered to? The person who buys or the person who steals? You know what? I actually agree with this sentiment. If the only people paying for horrid "localizations" are social justice advocates and the people in charge of said localizations openly encourage people not to use or purchase their services then there is no reason for people to use said services. Since I purchased products, my opinion matters. I do have a price tag by which I will buy it. There is a such thing as an anime that is too expensive for me. I am a consumer who is worth winning over because I will buy anime provided it is for a price I find acceptable. And I have so many anime that I want to watch, I usually do not have to resort to pirating. If it is available, and the price is low, I will not pirate . |
| The anime community in a nutshell. |
| None of this seems particularly worrisome with perhaps the exception of big companies like netflix trying to buy the studios. Even that, netflix seems to be taking the path of "why buy a studio when we can make our own." The rest of the stuff boils down to what we support with our money. If you don't want anime to become a political soap box, don't support the shows that do that. If you like a show, find a way to support it financially (which can be as simple as not pirating it). Money talks - all of the content in the articles won't be a problem if we say "I'm going to support this content that I like and I'm not going to support this content that I don't like." Even if anime does become mainstream (which I doubt) it will allow a niche within it to remain. |
holysauron said: If it does happen I'd be sad though because, as a sex positive feminist myself, I do not see anything wrong with the perversion in anime... Most people don't. Most feminists either. Honestly, the problem has never been feminism as some people believe, it's 4th wave feminism that's the issue and I don't think most women even support 4th wave. Case in point, girls in schools in Canada have been protesting the liberal dress code because they're tired of being told what to wear and are starting to see the same slut-shaming from the left they used to see from the right. It's also worth mentioning that as female-aimed anime start to be more prevalent, "perversion"/fanservice is being targeted both ways nowadays. |
MartinAcademia said: Except that was basically a large and loud sideshow while the rest of us just kept on playing our games anyway.Gator said: I don't get it, what is the thing you fear exactly? Mass SJW campaign against anime and its fans. Its what happened with video games. Gamergate was real ugly and now games are politicized and many get censored. You people are way too paranoid about "SJW"s. |
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| Gamer gate wasn’t as black and white as most seem to think. The extremists were the only ones anyone paid attention to. Let’s not forget, the anti sjws in the situation often threatend or harassed the sjws? Sjw types only have the power you give them. Stop paying attention to them, they start to get less ‘powerful’ |
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HotPocketRocket said: Sjw types only have the power you give them. Stop paying attention to them, they start to get less ‘powerful’ That's what they told us when gamergate started. Ignore them and they'll go away. But that doesn't work. They pressure companies into self-censorship, they blacklist developers who don't play the PC game, they push tropes and narratives into entertainment, they force censorship in localisations, they force gender and race stereotypes to replace good writing and presentation... If we ignore these people, they essentially get everything their way with no one to stop them. Ignoring political and social pressure group when corporations and government listens to them is very dangerous. |
Gabriel_P_Forest said: HotPocketRocket said: Sjw types only have the power you give them. Stop paying attention to them, they start to get less ‘powerful’ That's what they told us when gamergate started. Ignore them and they'll go away. But that doesn't work. They pressure companies into self-censorship, they blacklist developers who don't play the PC game, they push tropes and narratives into entertainment, they force censorship in localisations, they force gender and race stereotypes to replace good writing and presentation... If we ignore these people, they essentially get everything their way with no one to stop them. Ignoring political and social pressure group when corporations and government listens to them is very dangerous. Have you considered maybe? No one ever ignored them? Because they didn’t? They fed into the toxicity with their own brand of toxicity. No one forced censorship anywhere. What censorship are you referring to anyways? What is any of this that you’re referring to? What are the SJWs doing to change games other than sometimes getting mad at DoA tiddies (which does nothing) or yelling at game devs to put more representation in games/make their own (which never effects already existing games) |
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| Censorship of foreign games is stricter now that gamergate is over, games like Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball didn't even make it here. They pressure companies so that new games now have a lot of feminist/socialist stereotypes pertaining to race and gender that advances their political agenda. Also, they use the media to control people and content. Just recently, they tried to have a game developer blacklisted just because of game antics. Its because of them and their agenda-pushing that platforms like Steam are now severely censored (Games and free speech). Heck, they even try to start boycotts of companies who don't play the PC game. This is just the tip of the iceberg really. They've been wrecking the comic book industry too. They are very active and very dangerous to freedom of speech and choice. |
Gabriel_P_Forest said: Censorship of foreign games is stricter now that gamergate is over, games like Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball didn't even make it here. They pressure companies so that new games now have a lot of feminist/socialist stereotypes pertaining to race and gender that advances their political agenda. Also, they use the media to control people and content. Just recently, they tried to have a game developer blacklisted just because of game antics. Its because of them and their agenda-pushing that platforms like Steam are now severely censored (Games and free speech). Heck, they even try to start boycotts of companies who don't play the PC game. This is just the tip of the iceberg really. They've been wrecking the comic book industry too. They are very active and very dangerous to freedom of speech and choice. That's a lot of "they". Makes you sound paranoid, tbh. All that bullcrap about "they"re invading video games" is ignorant af. Imported games and cartoons being changed and sometimes murdered "to accomodate the target audience's taste" is nothing new. If you're too young to remember it, nothing prevents you from informing yourself. |
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Clebardman said: That's a lot of "they". Makes you sound paranoid, tbh. I know the conversation can get difficult to follow for some, but if you read the post I'm clearly talking about SJWs and their political and social lobbies. |
| @Gabriel_P_Forest I remember when all these "SJW" "censored" the beach or corrida episodes of the first season of Pokemon. Really nothing new, except the fear-mongering surrounding it (^% |
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Clebardman said: @Gabriel_P_Forest I remember when all these "SJW" "censored" the beach or corrida episodes of the first season of Pokemon. Really nothing new, except the fear-mongering surrounding it (^% It was a problem back then as well. That's sort of the point. We fought for so long to liberate art from conservative and Christian censorship that we are not willing to allow this to happen again. We were getting better for a while, but then liberal censorship took over where the conservatives left off. Those of us who've experienced both the censorship of old and the modern lessening of said censorship are not willing to hand over entertainment to any more of these groups just because a new political ideology is in town. |
xShinigami3125 said: Wtf is Gamergate and what is this supposed to be ? I have the same question. Seems unnecessary trash. |
Energetic-Nova said: Guilion said: if you do not buy the product, your opinion does not matter. If another group of people buys the product, their opinion does matter. You know what? I actually agree with this sentiment. If the only people paying for horrid "localizations" are social justice advocates and the people in charge of said localizations openly encourage people not to use or purchase their services then there is no reason for people to use said services. Since I purchased products, my opinion matters. I do have a price tag by which I will buy it. There is a such thing as an anime that is too expensive for me. I am a consumer who is worth winning over because I will buy anime provided it is for a price I find acceptable. And I have so many anime that I want to watch, I usually do not have to resort to pirating. If it is available, and the price is low, I will not pirate . Well Bocott doesn't help indeed. Negative feedback on the other hand does because that can prevent ppl from getting interested into the product and cause ppl to leave the product. The Gamergate line in Prison school DUB got removed due to negative feadback. Plus supporting and creating products that you like will make them listen. Although things might change if Westerncompanies take it over from the "I pay you poorly" japanese committees. |
| please no no more neckbeards blaming esjaydoubleus for everything bad happening in the industry. Also, what SJWs? Japan is one of the most counterprogressive countries in the first world lol |
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| Anime gate? Gamer gate? lolololol. |
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| Unless its done by Japanese media which is unlikely i doubt it will become a thing. 90% of the worlds anime is produced in Japan and their studios have plenty of freedom to create what they want without interference from the government. Western media may bark all they want but there's little they can do to affect anime. |
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Xaelath said: xShinigami3125 said: Wtf is Gamergate and what is this supposed to be ? I have the same question. Seems unnecessary trash. Yea it is (what a surprise xd)....... |
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