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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Gods, this is so stupid, what does the right eye have to do with anything. And Oscar suddenly becoming all helpless once her arms were grabbed was even more stupid.
 
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Dec 20, 2010 9:19 AM

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There are some parts that could be called "stupid", but in reality this a great anime, really, I enjoyed and loved all the episodes so far.

 
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RAGE.
stfu Fersen. Oscar's best friend is Andre!

oh Andre, the painful silent love while going blind ahhh

and Oscar suddenly became helpless because he was showing her the difference between a man and a woman.
he didn't just grab her hands. she was trying to escape! and realized she couldn't break free
his overpowering her is what brought it home that "a rose can only be a rose"
pity her clothes ripped (he rly did look shocked at that)
OH ANDRE. I feel your pain.
keep wishing Oscar will notice him but now she wont look at him.
 
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I didn't like how Andre's other eye started going blind either... but all in all this was a pretty powerful episode... maybe finally Oscar will realize some things...
 
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Not too smooth there, Andre, even if Oscar was being an idiot (and a bit of a coward too).

And man, things really aren't going too well for him, are they? First his left eye, then the other one going too, and now Oscar's furious at him. And just think, if all that er... subtle foreshadowing from episode 9 or so means anything, Andre's not exactly going to get a happy ending after all this. I feel like he's meant to be the next source of melodrama now that Marie Antoinette's being phased out...

It was a powerful episode, though, and I hope the rest will stay like that, especially once the revolution really gets going.
 
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Jul 28, 2011 2:30 PM

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I can't exactly pity you at this point, Andre. The second you go into forcing yourself on a woman territory, your "love" is bullshit.
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Lol at the beginning, Andre staring directly towards the sun and then wondering why his eye is blurry.

But this episode is probably my new favorite so far. Very dramatic and tragic, with Oscar facing Fersen, Andre facing Oscar and losing his second eye too. The scene at the end was very strong, especially the epic slap. I guess Andre wanted to see her tits even once before he went blind, lol.

Andre is such a pitiful character :( I feel his pain.
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Higashi_no_Kaze said:
Lol at the beginning, Andre staring directly towards the sun and then wondering why his eye is blurry.


I was like wtf why is he looking directly into the sun? You're damaging whats left of your eyes son.

Seriously poor guy this was foreshadowed in the ending from the very start "Soon I will never be able to gaze upon you...Oh Oscar, OSCAR!" I thought that meant he was going to die, but I guess that meant he would go blind and that he would never be able to gaze at her beauty again.
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I agree what the hell was andre staring at the sun for? lmao

I feel really bad for Fersen too "the only love is agony" part :(
 
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To bring up two points that need to be adressed:

1) People who are blind in one eye have a higher chance of going blind altogether due to the strain it has performing both eyes duties essentially.

2) Andre was showing Oscar the truth by restraining her, she is not a man and doesn't have the physical strength to break free.

I felt Oscar took Andre's saying wrong though. I thought of it more: "Either Man or Woman you are the same person on the inside, you cannot change that". Oscar took it as "You are a woman, deal with it". Hopefully this will be addressed in the next episode.
 
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"Oscar: I've found out there are two kinds of love in this world... The love joy... and the love of agony...
Fersen: You're wrong Oscar, there's only one kind of love.
The love of agony."

That was so powerful to me, and it really rang true to the production (and in life as well).
He was in the room when Antoinette exclaimed "I will never see Fersen again", it's his love of agony.

What a great episode, and after watching a series (the Munto Series) that wasn't very good, it helps you in knowing what true great productions are.

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Do people not realize that Andre has been sparring with Oscar since she was young? He's not a weak man. Just because the main character of this series is a strong women doesn't mean she's ridiculously powerful like how most productions tend to make their main characters.
Also, if you're best friend did what Andre did to Oscar at the end, you wouldn't immediately get away at first like if a stranger did the same thing. First, you wonder what's happening.

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Aug 6, 2013 7:31 PM

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That was an intense episode, especially those last few minutes. Hopefully this pace and tone does not relent, because things are getting real interesting.
 
Sep 26, 2013 4:32 PM

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Andre...the fuck are you doing to Oscar?!

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I was like wtf why is he looking directly into the sun? You're damaging whats left of your eyes son.

I lol'd for real.
 
Oct 20, 2013 12:25 PM

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Higashi_no_Kaze said:

But this episode is probably my new favorite so far. Very dramatic and tragic, with Oscar facing Fersen, Andre facing Oscar and losing his second eye too. The scene at the end was very strong, especially the epic slap. I guess Andre wanted to see her tits even once before he went blind, lol.


Seconding this, an amazing episode full of emotions.
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Oct 23, 2013 11:06 PM

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Well Andre finally told Oscar, but in the worst way possible. Oscar needed a wake up call but that was too much.
 
Nov 3, 2013 9:39 PM

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Worst confession ever.
 
Jan 2, 2014 6:49 PM

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That was a painfull episode to watch.
 
Apr 2, 2014 3:01 PM

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Holy crap can't believe Andre ripped her clothes off. I was glad he confessed to her but he went about it the wrong way. Such a sad episode

 
Jul 20, 2014 7:01 PM

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I cringed when Andre ripped off Oscar's clothes like that. That honestly pissed me off.

Love is no excuse for using force like that. Ugh.
 
Oct 6, 2014 5:01 PM

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Screw you Fersen, now that you can't have Marie you go and make some moves on Oscar? GTFO permanently please.

All the feels for André. Poor fella is going blind, the chick he loves is into another guy, and now she's planning on moving out.

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2) Andre was showing Oscar the truth by restraining her, she is not a man and doesn't have the physical strength to break free.

People were too busy raging to see that lol. He was proving a point the hard way which is the only way Oscar would've gotten across that recently thick skull of hers. He wasn't doing it because he was driving by his love for her, it wasn't an attempt to do what some of you thought it was >_>

Now about the confession, I'm guessing he's not planning on coming back after what happened in the end which is why he confessed to her before leaving.
 
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That was a really good episode. Though still dramatic (that slap... open palm slap, lololol).

I was surprised her clothing ripped, but yes, Andre was trying to prove a point that she is still a woman, and that he (being a man) is stronger. He's a little desperate at the moment, so I'll give him some slack. His eye's really causing him problems. I feel sad when he calls out to Oscar when he's in pain. >__<
 
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Powerful.
 
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That was one of the most powerful and emotionally complex scenes I have ever seen in an anime. Holy crap.

So, people who are attacking Andre need to understand something - the last scene is not meant to make you empathize with him. Much like Shinji refusing to get in the robot, the scene uses Andre's unsolvable conundrum to give a new dimension to, while forcing the viewer to re-assess, his character. Here is a woman who he has loved for twenty years, who now claims to reject her womanhood and by extension, his love (all in a heteronormative context, sure, but still). On top of that, he's about to lose his eyesight, and knows that in a short time he won't even be able to physically see her. His desperate "solution" is terrible and ridiculously misguided, but this is why he's a good character. Particularly since he's been portrayed as sort of a "white knight" for most of the show - always being there for Oscar while never burdening her with his feelings, and generally never getting into a situation that challenges the viewer to make an alternate assessment on his character - this scene is amazing because he is made fully, completely human by it.

And that's speaking only of Andre's viewpoint. Oscar, for the first time in the show, is forced to come to terms with the physical limitations imposed on her gender identity. Actually, this is the first time in the show where she's had to confront her gender identity in any significant manner; usually her gender ambiguity was played for laughs (with the noblewomen who fawned after her), or as semi-serious but still pretty light exploration of her relationships with people around her (her father, Fersen, etc.).

So yea, great episode. Really, really great last scene.
 
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hmmmmm....there goes the tiny chance of Oscar ending up with Andre. in fact, I'm glad there's no chance anymore

I think Andre might become one of those pitiful angsty characters. good at first but later on becomes corrupt. I'm not saying Andre is a terrible character, I actually think he became more interesting rather than two dimensional
 
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This is Rose of Versailles in a nutshell.

Reaching out towards a light that's just in front of you, yet you're surrounded by darkness all around, and with your sight obscured, the light slips further and further away, even though it has not moved an inch in reality. Everything is self-contained within the individual, all of their struggles and misfortunes are the direct result of their own desires manifesting as thoughts and actions. Is it wrong to have desires? Of course not, but at least within the context of this show, these desires turn into obsessions, which leads to ruin.

The last scene was painful to watch, but it happened as a result of everything that has occurred thus far. It would be fun to dig deeper into this episode as a whole actually, but I doubt that there's any complex or intricate meaning to it all. Through analysis, something could be cooked up, but for now, it's a story of people losing themselves in trying so hard to reach towards what they want the most.
 
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those last few minutes with andre made me so damn uncomfortable and upset. :| like wtf are you trying to accomplish
 
Nov 12, 2015 8:34 PM
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That got really... rape-y... Andre... WTF...
 
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Damn son, things got real there. Where can their relationship go from here?
 
Jan 9, 2016 10:37 AM

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Wtf happen lol ? Andre went from a badass into a depressed, emo guy/rapist in one fecking episode. Insane development.
 
Feb 25, 2016 8:40 PM

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This is what happens when you keep your penis sealed off for too long. It's not development, it's human.
 
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Again with the Oscar-Fersen thing, it just feels really forced and unfitting.

And speaking of forced, what was with that last scene. It's so unlike Andre to try raping Oscar. That felt so out of place, but I guess they're just trying too highlight the fact that he's losing it.
 
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The best episode in the series so far.
Though I've already said this about a couple of times before so it wouldn't be a surprise if the remaining episodes are even better.

That scene with Oscar and Andre was simply stunning. I've had a lot of complains about RoV, but boy when it does get stuff right its absolute top notch.

Wonder what'll happen to Andre now that he's going to be blind pretty soon.
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I sense a culture confussion here. First of all, I didn't see it as rape attempt. Yes, he kissed her forcefully at first but when he pinned her, it was meant for her to listen. So he wanted to silence her and force her to listen. I don't understand the shirt ripping thing, but the man's almost blind and the room was black since Oscar didn't want to light candle so I bet he didn't see anything either.
His action was far more explainable in the manga. It was supposed to show his anguish which later altered his initial characterization also to show 'male possession'. RoV was full of metaphors.

I also agree when he said 'rose is a rose and can never be a lilac' he meant that 'oscar is oscar and can never be anyone else, either it's man or woman'. Her gender ambiguity was what made her Oscar, and he didn't see why she had to sacrifice one for another.
 
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Well gosh. Things got worse after all.

This has to be a breaking point between Andre and Oscar, as both are at their wits end given the circumstances eating away at them. I can't imagine they'll be on good terms after that...

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That was definitely a tempestuous episode - but with such a strange title! Andre, A Green Lemon? What is that supposed to mean?
 
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An unforgettable episode with some of the most powerful and moving dialogues from the two male characters, Fersen and Andre.

Fersen's "there's only one kind of love, the love of agony", hit me in the recondite corners of my heart. This sole dialogue summed up the love lives of all 4 main characters, Oscar, Antoinette, Andre and Fersen. And perhaps half of the human population in real life, too.

But it was Andre who stole the show in this episode. This was the second instance of him making a long lasting impact on me, the first being when he ran to save Oscar from the dungeon in Palais Royale in the most selfless, ardent and heroic act of impulse. I won't look down on him for losing his wits in the last scenes of this episode for that alone was the most human depiction of his predicament - an all-consuming unrequited love that he has held on to for the sole reason that he can, in the very least, be next to his love and see her from his little corner in the back coming to a standstill with no point of return. It's rather heartless to overlook the chain of events; of him realising that he is slowly losing his eyesight; witnessing Oscar's moment of weakness in front of Fersen and of Oscar's ill-timed advice asking him not to accompany her anymore and do as he wished, as if he had wished for anything more than being by her side.

"A rose will be a rose, whether it blooms in red or white"
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Arachnophobic said:
That was definitely a tempestuous episode - but with such a strange title! Andre, A Green Lemon? What is that supposed to mean?


My mind is going crazy with all sorts of ideas. But the most obvious answer, i guess, would be that a green lemon is one that has not ripened yet. In terms of people, it could symbolise a lack of maturity, perhaps referring to Andre's momentary break down in the last scenes.

It could also mean a lemon that has not had proper care, such as lack of exposure or even over exposure to sunlight, water, nutrients, etc. If latter, it may be a case of a normal lemon turning bad. Now think of that in terms of a man and substitute the above necessities for a lemon's growth with that of a human, perhaps things such as love and empathy, and you might get a decent idea about the significance of the episode's title.


 
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AhChoo said:
Arachnophobic said:
That was definitely a tempestuous episode - but with such a strange title! Andre, A Green Lemon? What is that supposed to mean?


My mind is going crazy with all sorts of ideas. But the most obvious answer, i guess, would be that a green lemon is one that has not ripened yet. In terms of people, it could symbolise a lack of maturity, perhaps referring to Andre's momentary break down in the last scenes.

It could also mean a lemon that has not had proper care, such as lack of exposure or even over exposure to sunlight, water, nutrients, etc. If latter, it may be a case of a normal lemon turning bad. Now think of that in terms of a man and substitute the above necessities for a lemon's growth with that of a human, perhaps things such as love and empathy, and you might get a decent idea about the significance of the episode's title.




Or maybe it's because what Andre did leaves a sour taste in the mouths of many viewers? :) At the same time, there are a few who appreciate the acerbity of a lemon - it's hard-hitting, yet novel and refreshing.

For a show that doesn't bank very often on being subtle, it surprised me with such an ambiguous episode title.
 
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Arachnophobic said:
AhChoo said:


My mind is going crazy with all sorts of ideas. But the most obvious answer, i guess, would be that a green lemon is one that has not ripened yet. In terms of people, it could symbolise a lack of maturity, perhaps referring to Andre's momentary break down in the last scenes.

It could also mean a lemon that has not had proper care, such as lack of exposure or even over exposure to sunlight, water, nutrients, etc. If latter, it may be a case of a normal lemon turning bad. Now think of that in terms of a man and substitute the above necessities for a lemon's growth with that of a human, perhaps things such as love and empathy, and you might get a decent idea about the significance of the episode's title.




Or maybe it's because what Andre did leaves a sour taste in the mouths of many viewers? :) At the same time, there are a few who appreciate the acerbity of a lemon - it's hard-hitting, yet novel and refreshing.

For a show that doesn't bank very often on being subtle, it surprised me with such an ambiguous episode title.

A plausible deduction, but if sourness is of any significance, it's common to all lemons, not just of the green variety. Perhaps bitter would be the right expression in this context.
 
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Better keep looking at the sun, it will definitely be helpful for your eye!

That confession... well, I can understand Andre considering the situation he's in, but wow, especially when he ripped her clothes.
 
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This episode really shocked me. However Andre's despair is depicted beautifully. He 's desperate because he's going blind and won't see his love again. Oscar is in love with another man. On top of it, she wants to become a man and tells Andre; she doesn't need him anymore. It was indeed, the last straw. Ripping Oscar' s shirt was a passionate crime.
 
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oh man, this episode was great. i loved it. i can really understand andre. all these pent up emotion, he finally unleashed it. he's panicking because of his right eye, i mean, i would too.
best episode!
 
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Another great episode, the drama is on point and the characters feel alive, that's how it should be done.
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Wtf Andre!! Que tipo de confissão foi essa?!!! Deixou Oscar traumatizada.
 
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It was about time Andre called out Oscar on her delusions. Too bad it took him twenty years to do it.

I wonder how Nanna feels about all this, with her (pretty much) children leaving the house for an uncertain future. She'll be all alone.
 
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That was one of the most powerful and emotionally complex scenes I have ever seen in an anime. Holy crap.

So, people who are attacking Andre need to understand something - the last scene is not meant to make you empathize with him. Much like Shinji refusing to get in the robot, the scene uses Andre's unsolvable conundrum to give a new dimension to, while forcing the viewer to re-assess, his character. Here is a woman who he has loved for twenty years, who now claims to reject her womanhood and by extension, his love (all in a heteronormative context, sure, but still). On top of that, he's about to lose his eyesight, and knows that in a short time he won't even be able to physically see her. His desperate "solution" is terrible and ridiculously misguided, but this is why he's a good character. Particularly since he's been portrayed as sort of a "white knight" for most of the show - always being there for Oscar while never burdening her with his feelings, and generally never getting into a situation that challenges the viewer to make an alternate assessment on his character - this scene is amazing because he is made fully, completely human by it.

And that's speaking only of Andre's viewpoint. Oscar, for the first time in the show, is forced to come to terms with the physical limitations imposed on her gender identity. Actually, this is the first time in the show where she's had to confront her gender identity in any significant manner; usually her gender ambiguity was played for laughs (with the noblewomen who fawned after her), or as semi-serious but still pretty light exploration of her relationships with people around her (her father, Fersen, etc.).

So yea, great episode. Really, really great last scene.


Yes yes yes !! I know you made this years ago but it's currently almost 12am in my time and I just finished this episode. I couldn't agree more with you! This is by far one of my favorite episodes so far! I didn't take it as pinning her down and ripping her shirt off as an instigator of sexual prowess tbh. I took as it an example of why she'll always be a rose and not a lilac. Andre is honestly one of my favorite characters. I've been waiting for his confession since the beginning and I'm not in the least bit disappointed! So to bother you with this reply I just loved the way you drew comparisons and articulated your response :)
Oscar and Andre deserved better
 
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André wanted to see them before he became completely blind.
 
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yeah, you know , my boy Andre has great taste
 
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Don't deny your nature, Oscar.
You don't realize that it is a gift? Being born as you truly are, a woman, is still a wonderful thing.
 
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