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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Heh, the weather isn't good this episode. That Jamie girl should really be careful in those woods though since it's a battlezone. I almost thought Tokimune was a goner for a moment there. The episode felt slow again in the first half but quickly picked up pace. |
Stark700Aug 7, 2014 8:53 AM
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| Jamie faced the danger in the battlefield. Was expecting that bomb in the bridge but I didn't expect that Private Koshikawa survived that attack. Pretty tough guy. Jamie got the omega good job from Tokimune. They are in good terms now. Problem in flares huh. Samonji's unit was used as a decoy in the first place. Those bastard. So that's the reason why they let Tokimune use the Argevollen. |
MizeteoAug 7, 2014 9:15 AM
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| Good ep. More development for Jamie which I think she needs the most now. Main highlight to me was the end. It seems the army really does have connections to Argevollen and they are looking to get some real data as soon as possible. Sent with Mal Updater |
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| Pretty sure the flare "accident" was a set up to put Samonji in trouble. It became more obvious when the higher ups were surprised at Samonji's performance after visiting the aftermath of the battlefield and later in that conversation saying it was merely an "accident." Samonji is well aware of that though. Just how in the world the private (Koshikawa) survive that Canon hit? He was definitely supposed to be dead. :O Jamie reboots the Argevollen. For a moment when Tokimune turned back, I thought he was gonna ask her the same thing like he did before. XD . That would've been hilarious! Nice conversation between Jamie and Tokimune. Jamie now has a goal in mind. Good to see they made up once again. (^^) Good episode. I wished they'd show us how Tokimune owned those Ingelmian Tail Kriegers. That would've given him some solid development. |
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| Like others, I was pretty surprised by Koshikawa surviving that. The clunky writing is showing here, with Jamie, Tokimune, and really even the unscrupulous military brass all being rather more "outspoken" than is natural - telling rather than showing. That said, the developments are welcome, and it's interesting to see a more nuanced M/F main character relationship than is usual for these sorts of war dramas. On the downside, the action wasn't much to look at this ep, which could easily have done with some interspersed shots of artillery fire, impact, or just troop movements in general - so really, the lack of budget is the biggest handicap to the show at the moment. If one thing needs fleshing at the moment, it'd probably be the reasoning behind the allies blindsiding the independant force, and using them as sacrificial cannon fodder. Is it to do with the Captain(?)'s background, the nature of the his independant force, or is this meant to be a reflection of the whole army's rotten doctrine? Only time will tell, I suppose. With how "the company" is prioritising the aquiring of data, and topping that off with the involvement of a presumably high-ranking officer, we'll probably be seeing some derived models eventually. |
CkanAug 7, 2014 10:13 AM
| yay jamie and tokimune are getting along, but i wanted to see what she would say to him because of last's episode embarassement |
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| So Argevollen has shut down due to impact huh... gg Tokimune, it was a short and not nice experience getting know you... but you're probably going to die unless Jamie comes and reboots the mecha. Making it on foot through the forest... damn... Awwww, c'mon Jamie, don't give up just when Tokimune needs you the most. Don't fret Tokimune, Jamie's here!! So Tokimune can kick ass when he wants XD. Awww, Tokimune and Jamie made up and they're friends now :3 |
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| Seems Jamie just received a large amount of money the question is will she be able to use it judging her current position. Dangerous jobs pay well but they came with risks. About Tokimune's sister to it seems she served with the commender of the unit which is probably the reason who the commender goes easy on him. At least that's what it looks like to me. |
| So it turned out to be betrayal in the end from the other commanders, still it really should be fleshed out why so many people are so negative towards Samonji and his independent attack group. I thought this episode was going to have more action than it actually did which is a bit of a shame but still it was an alright episode. Still considering the next episode looks like a rest episode there certainly should have been more fighting and hardship shown than the occasional artillery shot! |
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| Oh gosh this episode is so good, even better than the 4th episode. I totally could understand Jamie's hesitation, she's just a normal working-class woman, and for her to suddenly be given a huge responsibility that is so huge even people from the military rely on her, it could be so overwhelming! And as someone who's never get the military training, for her to run through that forest to get to the argevollen, while panicking and hearing all the missiles and bombs and all that noise, it was totally remarkable and now i respect her more and more. And i love her character development, i remember looking back at episode one, i thought she would just gonna be your generic annoying tsundere moe character, turns out she actually act and think more like some woman from josei manga, you know all the career woman mindset and stuff. |
| I'm not sure if Samonji's unit is meant to be cannon fodder, or if it's a case of the government/military trying to test the Argevollen in the most dire of circumstances. In any case, Jamie gets quite a bit of development and a juicy bonus to boot. If Tokimune ever dies, just put private Toshikawa in the Argevollen. Nothing rattles that man. I don't get why the score from Argevollen keeps on going down? Are people still expecting it to be "epic"? The lack of an invincible MC perhaps? |
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| Yeah how did he survive that blast? Oh well, at least Jamie got to Tokimune in one piece. I'm liking the character development, and I agree with millo regarding how she's reacting and coping with the situation. The things she said in this episode sounds like my current mindset for the future, to pretty much just get through life but without any real goals and dreams. Anyways, it's nice seeing the two characters' interactions when they're their normal mellow selves. |
| Yes, another relaxation episode next week!!! So the military and the company are working on getting battle data from the prototype Argevollen. I wonder what the completed thing would look like. Will they mass-produce it and replace the old models? |
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| I don't really get it. Why was Argevollen shut down on the first place? It seems Tokimune was not in life-threatening condition either. IDK I feel that the plot is kinda forced "Jamie has to run through the forest and boot Argevollen." Why the Argevollen system is so inconvenience? (only Jamie who is able to activate it, and so on) |
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tiya_n said: I don't really get it. Why was Argevollen shut down on the first place? It seems Tokimune was not in life-threatening condition either. IDK I feel that the plot is kinda forced "Jamie has to run through the forest and boot Argevollen." Why the Argevollen system is so inconvenience? (only Jamie who is able to activate it, and so on) It's not the finished product, It's a prototype product that's usually has so many flaws in them, they're made so the developer knows the problems that the product has and what need to be fixed until they release the final product. i thought it's basic knowledge |
| the top brass are cooking something yp against Samonji's unit |
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| Tokimune is the reason why I won't watch evangalion, he's also pretty much the only reason why I really hate this anime. Jamie and her stupid epiphany at the bridge made me unhappy, along with the guy surviving the explosion. I wonder where tokimune found the time to clean the seat before Jamie hopped back in, And for some reason, i thought tokimune was a total prick when he gave Jamie the thumbs up..... Maybe i just hate him that much. One last thing, bad flare excuse is bad flare excuse. |
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| Looks to me like the "independent battalion" is being treated more like a punishment/penal battalion due to the dislike that some senior officers have for Samonji--or the fact that he knows too much about something in the past (probably connected to Tokimune's sister's death). Having escaped this set-up, they're being sent with new orders and without having any chance to stand down for a rest, although the preview makes me think they'll at least get a short leave and in the process provide some (needed) fan service. This isn't a great show, and the animation is pretty rough at times, but I think it deserves a better score than it currently has. I'm actually curious about just what the backstory is on Samonji and I like both the female mc's as well as most of the supporting characters. It would help if Tokimune grows up a bit. |
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| Really jolted by the lack of a battle scene. I think I need to lower my expectations, now that I see just the low budget for this show. Besides that, I can't believe the command center doesn't even have a token guard force for it? It was just Jamie, the commander lady and the other female comm officer and they had to wait until a soldier from the frontline could run back to the command center so he could escort Jamie? What is up with this military? On the plus side, I'm greatly enjoying watching a show about a modern military force with mechs but where aircraft don't exist. |
| This is the first episode where the previously stated "immersing" direction didn't come across as realistically jarring, which is what I loved about the first arc. Instead, there were a few moments that were kind of jumpy and just sloppy. Coupled with skipping the action Nobunaga Concerto style, the budget issues are becoming more evident. Hopefully this doesn't fare too badly for future episodes where the situation absolutely has to come across as intense and jarring, because that's really where the show has potential to shine imo. Despite the complaints, Tokimune's dilemma still came across the way it needed to. I don't know how you could make fun of the guy, I know I'd be losing my shit if I was locked inside my immobile mech in the middle of battle. He came to terms with that feeling of imminent death, and even talked about it with Jamie. Seeing that as well as him giving her the thumbs up and thanking her sincerely later on, shows how much he's building trust and dynamic with her. In ep 1 the guy was too hotheaded and intense to think about building chemistry and trusting someone, and now he's confided in her twice regarding something very personal. Shows he's developing, and also makes their relationship progression quite genuine and nice to see. I'm even pleased with Jamie, though less so. Again this week, she frustrates me throughout the entire episode, only to calm down and show her development through her experiences by the end of it. And she finally confided in Tokimune herself, which offered some nice(and much needed)characterization as well as the same refreshing progression of their relationship. zunderdog24 said: Such content in this post. I love the part where you give actual explanation to why you hate his character.Tokimune is the reason why I won't watch evangalion, he's also pretty much the only reason why I really hate this anime. Jamie and her stupid epiphany at the bridge made me unhappy, along with the guy surviving the explosion. I wonder where tokimune found the time to clean the seat before Jamie hopped back in, And for some reason, i thought tokimune was a total prick when he gave Jamie the thumbs up..... Maybe i just hate him that much. One last thing, bad flare excuse is bad flare excuse. |
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| Samonji is just kind of the man, but I worry about his chances of survival considering he's so content to do the job and accept that his superiors basically see him and his team as expendable. I mean he's been successful via just sheer experience and having a good capable team to command but that can only go so far without being able to count on support from the back lines. y123y said: Marzan said: I'm not sure if Samonji's unit is meant to be cannon fodder, or if it's a case of the government/military trying to test the Argevollen in the most dire of circumstances. In any case, Jamie gets quite a bit of development and a juicy bonus to boot. If Tokimune ever dies, just put private Toshikawa in the Argevollen. Nothing rattles that man. I don't get why the score from Argevollen keeps on going down? Are people still expecting it to be "epic"? The lack of an invincible MC perhaps? The reason why the score for Argevollen is low is because it is being unfairly compared to Aldnoah since they are both meccha and 100% originial and released on the same season. I am watching both Aldnoah and Argevollen. Yes, Aldnoah is better, but it is unfair for Argevollen to be compared to Aldnoah when being rated. Aldnoah is better in terms of animation quality, but they seem to be aiming for very different things. Aldnoah is flashier and more "cool" with it's interplanetary war while so far Argevollen has been more about the characters, their development and how they fit into their roles. Personally in spite of all the big budget stuff going on in Aldnoah I'm really kind of enjoying Argevollen more because the cast as a whole is just so much more interesting, promising and so far much less one dimensional, but I guess I can easily figure why general audiences would find Aldnoah.Zero so much better cause of the budget and just all the big name staffers involved. Plus it's pretty much the definition of a show designed to be "hype" while Argevollen is anything but. In some ways they're polar opposites in terms of focus and content cause Aldnoah it kind of feels like there has to be a battle quota filled while this show is perfectly content to just focus on the character stuff and Samonji's team doing their whole Argevollen retrieval and setup operation and then more or less just imply the result of the battle at the end. |
PeacingOutAug 7, 2014 9:09 PM
| The mood was going well then boom! Huh? How did Koshikawa survive that? I had to scratch my head. Well I suppose we'll see more "independent battalion is in trouble because higher ups screwed them" in the coming episodes. |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| so basically they are using the MC as guinea pig to test out the robot and see its flaws. Also, the military is involve in it. Am i right? |
| There's no magical spell to save someone's life. |
| pretty good episode more character development hope they break the ice soon |
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| I am expecting some 'Argevollens' battle by eps 15... if the series survived that long. Jamie is cute though... |
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| Honestly as far as character development is concerned I have no idea where this anime is going. And seriously this Jamie character.. facedesk. |
| I so thought the escort was a goner, because you know, escorts usually die. I'd be so irritated if his death turned out to be the turning point for Jamie to get her shit together. |
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| This "OP mech" has been a lot more trouble than it's worth. Jamie having a hard time adapting to her setting, which is understandable. Could've been done a bit better for drama and thrill, but this show isn't here to impress us off our seats, but tell a character story. Which it does in an effective matter, despite the shoddy script and directing. I wish I actually saw the execution of the plan with the Argevollen than just cutting to the destruction of the enemy base. Oh well, I can live with it, this isn't a flashy show to begin with. Jamie is done well and shows some development at the end. Tokimune panics just to realize that he also could be a goner at any moment. This is development, and it is reflected at the end. 4/5 - Dedication to characters with a war drama background, keep it up and improve over time plz. |
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| This show is really well written for an anime. And it uses it's obviously limited resources well - the music adds what is lacking in facial expressions and action. Tokimune is developing fast too. It seems that he took to heart Jamie's words about his possible death. I really can't understand why people hate him. The guy was a bit unpolished at the beginning, but once beaten he learns fast. He is not stupid - simply unexperienced and, probably, brought up without much attention to social things (in my opinion, he leaves an impression of an orphan). Meritas said: I so thought the escort was a goner, because you know, escorts usually die. I'd be so irritated if his death turned out to be the turning point for Jamie to get her shit together. I agree. It's nice that they didn't go the easy way. Also it's good to see that the escort guy amounted to more than a simple plot device. Jamie was a bit annoying, but it's understandable, because she had been annoyed herself by being forced into a dangerous situation for quite some time already. The comparisions with Aldnoah are both unfair and funny. Unfair - because Aldnoah has a much biiger budget and is completely different stylistically, funny - because they're opposite in terms of strengths: while Aldnoah is much more beatiful and has nice battle scenes, it is lacking in character development, and Argevollen suffers from low production costs, but is a pure character development and story-building. |
AlexTheRiot said: zunderdog24 said: Such content in this post. I love the part where you give actual explanation to why you hate his character.Tokimune is the reason why I won't watch evangalion, he's also pretty much the only reason why I really hate this anime. Jamie and her stupid epiphany at the bridge made me unhappy, along with the guy surviving the explosion. I wonder where tokimune found the time to clean the seat before Jamie hopped back in, And for some reason, i thought tokimune was a total prick when he gave Jamie the thumbs up..... Maybe i just hate him that much. One last thing, bad flare excuse is bad flare excuse. There is no need for an explanation when people already explained a billion times why they hate Tokimune. Just look in the threads about the previous episodes. |
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| Argevellon had this gundam feeling of oh god why can I really handle angsty teenager beginning but these later episodes have add much needed plot meat. Jamie motivations were kind of explained and M/C is started to become a bit less reckless - i.e. oh shit might die and also learning from previous battle by asking about combat data. The army politics is kind of meh and also kind of confusing since they are on the losing side with much of their territory occupied. |
| I have a very very little complaint as it might be seen as a nitpick. I felt Jamie's character development in this episode as forced. You know what would have been better? If the soldier who accompanied Jaime actually died, so that Jaime could have reached Argevollen with her own strenghts and seen the fear of death face to face, and this way forcing a more credible and strong evolution to the character. Aside that, the episode was quite decent, and this comes from someone who finds Jaime utterly annoying. |
AkanezoraAug 8, 2014 7:01 PM
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Raziel1991 said: Key words here being "previous episodes". Tokimune has been developing, whereas some users here like the one I quoted could use some development. I mean there's nothing wrong with being critical the way you and others have been in past threads, it's welcome discussion, but zunder's post was just pointless. If I'm actively downing a character, I'll at least try to understand what the writers are trying to do with them and post my criticisms on that behalf, rather than just rant excessively about how much a character sucks without offering any basis for argument.AlexTheRiot said: Such content in this post. I love the part where you give actual explanation to why you hate his character. There is no need for an explanation when people already explained a billion times why they hate Tokimune. Just look in the threads about the previous episodes. |
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Akanezora said: I have a very very little complaint as it might be seen as a nitpick. I felt Jamie's character development in this episode as forced. You know what would have been better? If the soldier who accompanied Jaime actually died, so that Jaime could have reached Argevollen with her own strenghts and seen the fear of death face to face, and this way forcing a more credible and strong evolution to the character. Aside that, the episode was quite decent, and this comes from someone who finds Jaime utterly annoying. Akanezora said: It definitely could have been done better, but it was nice how they 'subverted' the "DEATH before you" trope and even worked in a degree of depth to a one-note escort character.I have a very very little complaint as it might be seen as a nitpick. I felt Jamie's character development in this episode as forced. You know what would have been better? If the soldier who accompanied Jaime actually died, so that Jaime could have reached Argevollen with her own strenghts and seen the fear of death face to face, and this way forcing a more credible and strong evolution to the character. Aside that, the episode was quite decent, and this comes from someone who finds Jaime utterly annoying. |
| Okay, here's the thing I don't get. One Artillery shell knocks Argevollen offline and forces all energy to life-support. Doesn't that mean that another Artillery hit would do the same thing again? Wouldn't that just mean they'd have to have Jamie trail the Argevollen EVERYWHERE it went, just in case something like that happened again? Considering they're in a battlefield, that would mean a high possibility of a repeat, no? How in the world are they gonna counteract that without getting Jamie killed? On that note, I have to say I'm loving Jamie's development, be it forced or not. Considering her psyche, I think that if Grunt-K Kun had died, Jamie would have clammed up and broke down, since (a) she didn't want to go in the first place, and (b) she was having an epiphany moment just before the shell hit. Of course, had Grunt-K died, and the dude at the other side of the bridge found her, that would probably have been a bit more believable (I too am flabbergast at how the hell that dude survived a shelling). That said, I love the fact that after the shelling, Jamie's character got upgraded from scared white collar OL, to brave white collar OL. The way she was all business in the cockpit was nice to see as well. She's also learning to deal with whatever antics Tokimune throws at her, though half of it might be attributed to adrenaline/shell-shocking on the battlefield. Now if only Tokimune could develop to be even half the man that Jamie was this episode. At first I thought that Tokimune stuck in the cockpit would have an epiphany along the lines of "I can't die here, I have to learn what happened to my sister" or something like that, but then after chipping away at the opening with a knife (seriously, what the fuck? you expect to open a hatch that's suppose to stop artillery shells from breaching to kill you off with an army knife? life support must've been getting low because his brain was seriously lacking oxygen that very moment) and then maybe add a resolve like "if I manage to get out of here, I'm gonna stop being a chauvinistic idiot in front of women" or something similar. Instead all he can think of was "I'm gonna die here.... double facepalm...." As a result, I find his thumbs up to Jamie a tad silly, like I have no idea what it was suppose to convey (good job for saving me?). I guess the one welcome thing about this development is that he ended the episode a lot less arrogant than he was before when facing Jamie and his peers. Hopefully this change lasts. As for Samonji, I think the deal was that the other Commanding officer was trying to force the 8th to become decoys for the main force (by lighting flares away from the main force) so they could ambush the enemy camp. They didn't expect Samonji to counter their orders for the sake of getting Jamie over to reboot Argevollen. Thus Samonji lit the flares to show the enemy where the main forces were (i.e. to force the enemy to engage the main force). The only reason why the higher ups overlooked this in the end was because the rebooted Argevollen made light work of the enemy encampment, and that cooked up story they made up with Samonji saved the Commanding officer from losing any respect (a misfiring flare is less damaging than a rebellious Officer counteracting orders afterall). In that regard, I feel like Samonji was acting a bit like how Tokimune did in the first episode. I'm guessing the one reason why Samonji has been so lenient with Tokimune is because he reminds him of himself when he was younger or something, and thus he can relate to Tokimune's attitude of going against orders for his own reasons. |
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L-Ryoshi said: Okay, here's the thing I don't get. One Artillery shell knocks Argevollen offline and forces all energy to life-support. Doesn't that mean that another Artillery hit would do the same thing again? Wouldn't that just mean they'd have to have Jamie trail the Argevollen EVERYWHERE it went, just in case something like that happened again? Considering they're in a battlefield, that would mean a high possibility of a repeat, no? How in the world are they gonna counteract that without getting Jamie killed? As far as I understand, that is precisely the case, so Jamie and Tokimune are pretty much screwed because of the prototype. The military brass and the company execs don't give a damn about how they will get their data on the new tech. Their only hope of continuous survival lies in the fact that the command can't let Argevollen in the enemies' hands. Also it seems that Argevollen's performance suffers from two inputs at once. L-Ryoshi said: I too am flabbergast at how the hell that dude survived a shelling Maaybe because the shell fell a bit to the right from Jamie's position, so he wasn't hit directly. But still the blastwave and the fall to the river must've killed him, I agree. L-Ryoshi said: I'm guessing the one reason why Samonji has been so lenient with Tokimune is because he reminds him of himself when he was younger or something, and thus he can relate to Tokimune's attitude of going against orders for his own reasons. Yep, he said so himself (and that's why he is so disliked). I agree that what he did was very risky - he could easily be court-marshalled, but on the other hand, he and his people would be dead if he didn't. Also it doesn't strike me as teriibly unrealistic, that they let it slip (for now), since it would be bad to admit that so many dirt happened among the commanding officers during the sucessful operation. |
| I just reckon Tokimune doesn't really understand how to interact with people which makes him seem generally more arrogant than he actually is (though he is learning lol). In that respect, I think maybe viewers are seeing him in the wrong light. Personally, I find him to be a very interesting character because of how he interacts with others which seems different from other shows characters. Might just be me though... Looking forward to seeing how other characters develop in this too. |
| Decent episode. Hope this incident changes Tokimune and Jamie for the better. There are some small nitpicks but they didn't bother me THAT much. Hopefully they will be less in future episodes. 4/5 |
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| Koshikawa survived !!!! Jaime development episode. Why not teach Tokimune how to work it Jaime |
| Jamie must be the most retarded character I've seen in an anime and Argevollen, the most useless piece of scrap metal amongst all the mecha I've seen in anime. |
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| 4/5 Episode disappointing in the most beautiful moment, or in the rescue, but it is nice its fruition. Plot showing another step forward, the narrative interesting and engaging despite the misstep in the final. If it were not for the graphic part that is a little on the economic profile of the budget, the serious A / Z would make him a mustache for this TV series. Another point to appreciate in this episode is the OST, which goes well with the various moments in history. As mentioned earlier, graphically is a bit scarce, except in the part concerning the CG which is better. The animations are fluid Macha, not bad! |
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yhunata said: THANK YOU!Jamie must be the most retarded character I've seen in an anime |
starwarriorrobbyNov 6, 2014 3:09 AM
| This episode is trying to bond Tokimune and Jamie huh. Once more Koshikawa would have definitely see angels if not for the super plot armor. Either way it's pretty much absurd though, that drawn out drama and surviving an explosion lol. The way it see it, it still comes down to those bastard higher ups deserving harakiri. |
| Run Jamie, run!!! |
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