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Oct 3, 2019 1:53 PM
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Wow Leif and the others just forgot Thorfinn was on that ship and left him!!???
Oct 4, 2019 9:00 PM

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As a manga reader I thought the scene when Thor said "A true warrior needs no blade" and next he dumped his blade is not as impactful as in the manga. First 3 episodes are better than their manga counterparts as far as I remember, but this climax scene is not better. I think a 1 page panel (a true warrior) and 2 page spread (Thors dump his sword) in manga are worth the slow motion in anime for at least.
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Nov 2, 2019 4:00 AM

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If they didn't put in the synopsis of this show that Thors would die then his death would've had more impact.
Nov 8, 2019 7:54 AM
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I cried twice this episode, emotional and sadly, it is also realistic...
Nov 18, 2019 12:48 PM
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What can I say, this man Askeladd is very interesting. Very strong himself, but Thors was a demigod compared to all of them. Sucks that his enemies are not sharing the same morals as him.
It seems this is going to be a story of revenge. And you know, it is always a dish that's served hot. I wonder how it would be in those cold regions, and how Vinland, the fabled paradise is going to play into all of this.
Askeladd is giving me some strange redemption vibes, perhaps Thors changed something in him at their duel. It would be such an interesting turn out to see Askeladd realize what he's done, and maybe channel all of that regret into taking care of Thorfinn.
Nov 28, 2019 9:33 PM

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ah i kinda see where this is gonna go in regards with Askeladd. not that i'm complaining, he's a good character so far. this will definitely be fun to watch

Thors is a great character but yeah it's good that he's done because he was a bit too perfect for my liking. i wonder if he knew that his son would end up being driven by revenge for years to come (at least, i'm assuming that's how that goes)
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Dec 2, 2019 5:54 AM
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- Go kill em all Thorsfinn. I'm sure he'll get really strong.
- RIP Thors
Dec 5, 2019 1:33 AM

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This episode felt intense even though I knew what was going to happen. Thors was honestly lucky enough that Askeladd stayed true to his promise and let the rest of them go. Vinland Saga is getting better and better.

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Dec 24, 2019 5:10 PM

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RIP old man Thors.
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Jan 2, 2020 10:41 PM
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Damn, that was sad.
Jan 10, 2020 8:24 AM

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Awesome episode, but that guy sure played dirty.
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Jan 11, 2020 1:57 PM

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Powerful episode. I forgot that anime of this kind exist.

10/5
Jan 11, 2020 2:01 PM

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I know he had to die because the summary said so, but man, fucks sake, that death was so unnecessary. Best character in the series, he could surely just have taken them all by not being so soft -- even though he knows his kid is watching, he should've known he would die, which is even more detrimental to the kid. Wtf. Definitely anticlimactic.
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Jan 12, 2020 1:02 PM

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Thors, you sexy ass beast! You will be missed.

Floki knew he couldn't beat Thors and got Askeladd and his crew to do his dirty work. In a fair fight, Thors would have whooped Askeladd's ass around the galaxy and back.

Askeladd really didn't feel to great about how things played out. I guess there really is "honor among theives."


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Jan 18, 2020 11:52 AM

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Kinda saw Thors death coming but thorfinn really annoys me, I desperately need him to get some character development and be more like his father lol.

I wonder what happened to the rest of their crews.
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Feb 9, 2020 7:51 AM
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Dumb kid got his father killed; that's how I see it. If he wasn't there, Thors could have fought all of them without worrying. Then the dumb kid yells before the duel letting everyone know he's his son (nonsensical outburst) so they know they can take him hostage...then gets taken hostage...now he travels with them by himself (leaving his mom and sister behind, the most cold part of it all).

I liked Thors, hate his kid, though.
Feb 11, 2020 4:33 AM

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Dumb kid got his father killed; that's how I see it. If he wasn't there, Thors could have fought all of them without worrying. Then the dumb kid yells before the duel letting everyone know he's his son (nonsensical outburst) so they know they can take him hostage...then gets taken hostage...now he travels with them by himself (leaving his mom and sister behind, the most cold part of it all).

I liked Thors, hate his kid, though.

My dude, you're forgetting the part where he's a fucking 6 years old influenced by Viking culture and war.
Feb 11, 2020 6:01 AM
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Elucid said:
animeguy17 said:
Dumb kid got his father killed; that's how I see it. If he wasn't there, Thors could have fought all of them without worrying. Then the dumb kid yells before the duel letting everyone know he's his son (nonsensical outburst) so they know they can take him hostage...then gets taken hostage...now he travels with them by himself (leaving his mom and sister behind, the most cold part of it all).

I liked Thors, hate his kid, though.

My dude, you're forgetting the part where he's a fucking 6 years old influenced by Viking culture and war.


Your response literally makes no sense. How can he be influenced by war when he has never known war? What about viking culture explains those things?
Feb 11, 2020 5:08 PM

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animeguy17 said:
Elucid said:

My dude, you're forgetting the part where he's a fucking 6 years old influenced by Viking culture and war.


Your response literally makes no sense. How can he be influenced by war when he has never known war? What about viking culture explains those things?

I'm not implying that Thorfinn is directly influenced by war itself, but rather he is influenced the glorified and misleading promises that war presents. How the hell do you not know the Viking culture influences on war when the first three episodes basically explains how? Norse warriors were promised glory as well as Valhalla which you can only be accepted by Valkyries to enter if you died honorably in a war.

These obviously influence Thorfinn through the culture interactions around him. Thors being forced to go to war as well as finding about his past of having a major status in the Jomsvikings clearly makes Thorfinn full of pride and wishes to share the same glory as he is Thors' son. However as he is too young, it makes him jealous that the older boys are able seemingly able to join Thors' in going to war. If this didn't happen, he wouldn't have sneaked onto Thors' boat in the first place.

Only then when Thorfinn actually experiences war will he be influenced by it in a drastically different way.
Feb 13, 2020 3:31 PM
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Elucid said:
animeguy17 said:


Your response literally makes no sense. How can he be influenced by war when he has never known war? What about viking culture explains those things?

I'm not implying that Thorfinn is directly influenced by war itself, but rather he is influenced the glorified and misleading promises that war presents. How the hell do you not know the Viking culture influences on war when the first three episodes basically explains how? Norse warriors were promised glory as well as Valhalla which you can only be accepted by Valkyries to enter if you died honorably in a war.

These obviously influence Thorfinn through the culture interactions around him. Thors being forced to go to war as well as finding about his past of having a major status in the Jomsvikings clearly makes Thorfinn full of pride and wishes to share the same glory as he is Thors' son. However as he is too young, it makes him jealous that the older boys are able seemingly able to join Thors' in going to war. If this didn't happen, he wouldn't have sneaked onto Thors' boat in the first place.

Only then when Thorfinn actually experiences war will he be influenced by it in a drastically different way.


Good point, you're right!
Mar 5, 2020 9:11 AM

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Dude,Bjorn said to put the sword down,not to stay in a place so the arrows can kill you..Thors didn't have to die :(.
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Mar 9, 2020 11:00 AM

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Looks like Thors hasn't gotten rusty, annihilating half of Askeladd's forces like that. But I guess there's only so much one man can do when he's clearly outnumbered and has to protect people at the same time.
Mar 30, 2020 3:03 AM

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After watching this episode, I realized how low my standards for Anime have become due to the recent shows I've watched. The flow of the story and every single moment of it was so good. The fight between Thors and Askeladd was unlike most Anime fights I've ever seen. The great voice acting of Thorfinn's VA sent chills down my spine. I almost cried while watching Thors' death. The scene was heartbreaking yet beautiful. I haven't felt this feeling in a long time while watching Anime. I don't usually reply to episode discussions this long but this episode was just absolutely phenomenal.
Mar 30, 2020 7:35 PM
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I knew Thors was gonna die, it was kinda obvious.
Apr 1, 2020 12:44 PM

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Damn man, Thor was a true ALPHA male, great fight tho between him and Askeladd, Thorfinn should kill that snake Loki not Askeladd.
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Could see this coming a mile away but still felt pretty bad when it happened. There's definitely more to Askeladd than meets the eye.
Apr 20, 2020 7:35 AM
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Could see this coming a mile away but still felt pretty bad when it happened. There's definitely more to Askeladd than meets the eye.


It’s just the way the anime rearranged the order of events from the manga. In the manga you’re told that he’s dead by the end of chapter 1.
Episode 7 is Chapter 1 in the manga.
Episode 4 is Chapter 16 in the manga.
The director wanted to put Thors story first because who he is and his beliefs, define the entire story of Vinland.
Apr 21, 2020 8:16 PM
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Damn that was tense
Apr 28, 2020 8:20 PM
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It was good but Thorfinn's breakdown looked terrible to me. Crying and all that stuff, yes, but the whole screaming was too dumb.
May 4, 2020 12:23 AM

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I knew that Thors would end up dying by Askellad's hand since I read it from the synopsis Askellad really did Thors dirty by allowing Björn to do something as cowardly as taking a child hostage even though he clearly lost the duel he accepted. What was even more dastardly was that he gave the go-to signal to the archers and executed the guy on the spot. At the very least, he agreed to go with his dying wishes by giving him the option to spare his friends, family, and the village he lived in for 15 years in exchange for his life.

That bastard would do anything for money but he's still a warrior with a promise to the one who defeated him. I wonder how he'll treat Thorfinn later on, considering how pissed off the kid is.










May 31, 2020 2:16 PM
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Fucking hate Thorfinn. He literally got his dad killed and cries like a little bitch. Thors death could have been avoided if thorfinn didn’t get salty over a little game of war
Jun 1, 2020 10:12 AM
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Thors is definitely one of my favorite characters.
Jun 24, 2020 1:02 AM

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I'm so glad that Thors is finally dead -'super OP warrior that doesn't kill no matter how unreasonable' is almost as boring/annoying as the 'harem MC who acts like both a creepy pervert and a gay eunuch'.
If Thors had killed both their leaders and half their troops like he did in the first episode -assuming any of those left had any fight left; he could have simply stated that they now worked for him...they are mercenaries after all, they are in it for the money; not committing suicide.

Also letting them kill you and leaving everyone to the mercy of guys that have just proven that they 'have no honour' is monumentally stupid, and only worked out 'because' -in the real world; after that moron Thors is dead; they would have killed the witnesses.
Jun 24, 2020 10:39 AM
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I'm so glad that Thors is finally dead -'super OP warrior that doesn't kill no matter how unreasonable' is almost as boring/annoying as the 'harem MC who acts like both a creepy pervert and a gay eunuch'.
If Thors had killed both their leaders and half their troops like he did in the first episode -assuming any of those left had any fight left; he could have simply stated that they now worked for him...they are mercenaries after all, they are in it for the money; not committing suicide.

Also letting them kill you and leaving everyone to the mercy of guys that have just proven that they 'have no honour' is monumentally stupid, and only worked out 'because' -in the real world; after that moron Thors is dead; they would have killed the witnesses.
Well he has no interest in violence at all so he wouldn't want to become the leader of a bunch of mercenaries even if it would help him get out of the situation. If he was willing to do that he could have taken Askeladd's( the leader) offer of letting him become their and he wouldn't have had to kill anyone or be killed at all(,Askeladd was 100 percent serious about that by the way and only said he was joking because he realized Thors wasn't going to take his offer in a million years and he only claimed he was joking to not be humiliated in front of his men). Aside from not wanting to kill Askeladd due to his beliefs he was also worried that if he did kill him the archers on the cliff would shoot not just at Thors but at everyone or the ship would become a battlefield. I alzo was want to point even before his deal Askeladd never had any intention of killing the others he was only here to kill Thors he was going to take the others as slaves then decided to let go completely out of his respect for Thors. I'm going to be honest that if you hate Thors' pacifism so much then you probably won't like the series. The manga is mostly anti-war/anti-revenge. While the pacifism doesn't really return tell the second arc of the manga the narrative of the series in the first mostly sides with Thors beliefs and portrays most of the killing and revenge seeking the other characters do as self destructive and pointless.
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KR_P said:
I'm so glad that Thors is finally dead -'super OP warrior that doesn't kill no matter how unreasonable' is almost as boring/annoying as the 'harem MC who acts like both a creepy pervert and a gay eunuch'.
If Thors had killed both their leaders and half their troops like he did in the first episode -assuming any of those left had any fight left; he could have simply stated that they now worked for him...they are mercenaries after all, they are in it for the money; not committing suicide.

Also letting them kill you and leaving everyone to the mercy of guys that have just proven that they 'have no honour' is monumentally stupid, and only worked out 'because' -in the real world; after that moron Thors is dead; they would have killed the witnesses.
Well he has no interest in violence at all so he wouldn't want to become the leader of a bunch of mercenaries even if it would help him get out of the situation. If he was willing to do that he could have taken Askeladd's( the leader) offer of letting him become their and he wouldn't have had to kill anyone or be killed at all(,Askeladd was 100 percent serious about that by the way and only said he was joking because he realized Thors wasn't going to take his offer in a million years and he only claimed he was joking to not be humiliated in front of his men). Aside from not wanting to kill Askeladd due to his beliefs he was also worried that if he did kill him the archers on the cliff would shoot not just at Thors but at everyone or the ship would become a battlefield. I alzo was want to point even before his deal Askeladd never had any intention of killing the others he was only here to kill Thors he was going to take the others as slaves then decided to let go completely out of his respect for Thors. I'm going to be honest that if you hate Thors' pacifism so much then you probably won't like the series. The manga is mostly anti-war/anti-revenge. While the pacifism doesn't really return tell the second arc of the manga the narrative of the series in the first mostly sides with Thors beliefs and portrays most of the killing and revenge seeking the other characters do as self destructive and pointless.

I'm cool with pacifism but what Thors "pacifism" did was just shift the suffering and death elsewhere -namely his family and especifically Thorfinn (and all the death and suffering he would cause).
Thors chose his own morals/ethics/philosophy/"love" over the well being of those closest to him, remember he primed the situation when he abandoned his men in the middle of battle, beat up his 'friend' and deserted -he could have tried to leave properly, he maybe could moved to non-combat or just cut off his leg.
Can't go any deeper without spoilers.

Also He could have just lied to Askeladd's men; he could have led them to where he was going (Denmark IIRC) and then disbanded them -they have apparently been together for years but they are mercenaries and I doubt it was their first/only band.
Jun 28, 2020 5:48 PM
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Man Throfins really out here being the main reason his father died.
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Thors death is no surprise, he was too much of a idealist and he lost his balls.

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As good as the manga was: it's whatever but looks nice.

3/5

It's impressive how strongly and enthusiastically people here responded to what looks like a perfectly average and common story, with the usual exagerrated things (overpowered people, rage, "overpacifist", etc) with only the setting making it a bit different.

Aug 16, 2020 8:02 AM

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Omg, I never thought he would die.
Sep 3, 2020 11:19 PM

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How are people praising this omg. The writing is doo doo poo poo I—-

It’s so predictable and bad. As soon as the anime showEd the kid was “not there” to say goodbye. I knew that little shithead was tagging along. The plot played out in my head literally. The whole hostage situation was so predictable. It was like a bad stage play. Yeah no.

The little kid is an annoying little shit head. This is literally another generic shonen revenge story with a dead parent AGAIN. I should’ve known.


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Sep 12, 2020 11:46 PM
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Thors my man! You are the greatest warrior...
"28 are severely injured and no one dead"
Askeladd: What??
Thors: (Giving a smile)
We: Shading our tears
He was way stronger and cleverer than askeladd. If not Thorfinn boarded on that ship then his father would've lived :(
Sep 14, 2020 6:30 PM

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Even tho I knew what was going to happen having read the nanga, this episode still didn't fail to deliver that gut wrenching pain & a few tears if I'm being totally honest. This was so good! Glad my return to anime is with this masterpiece of an adaptation (though thus far it has to be said).
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Whoa. I got emotional.

1. Thors is just a badass. But he also had a code and soul.
2. All of the father-son emotions going on there... Oh man. And Thorfinn's absolute rage.
3. For a second I thought Askeladd might take the kid under his wing. Can't believe Leif just left without Thorsfinn. Are you kidding me?
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Well. Thors was ment to die. This whole arc was a flashback.


thats the problem it was too predictable and they wasted his entire character as a plot convenience for his son's growth

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Did we watch the same episode? Askeladd does have a sense of honor. If he didn't he would have killed and enslaved the rest of the crew after Thors kicked the bucket and literally nobody could have stopped him.


According to some interview it's going to be more of kid Thorfinn which is going to be brand new content that wasn't in the manga.


fair point, but its a tiny sense of honor, if he had actual sense of honor he'd have taken the L and retreated

Right exactly i think this eps was fire as hell but the 2 points that left a negative on me were how we knew this was already about to happen ( i wish they would've surprised us in a way similar to game of throne's red wedding also damn i thought we would've had some ending words thor would've gave to his son that we would all cherish and remember but its all good i guess moms will say it later on
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They got out of that nasty situation in the best possible way...Rip Thors, true warrior until his end by staying true to his convictions of not killing but protecting what is dear to him even to the point of self-sacrifice. By the look of Thorfinn's eyes...path of revenge starts..

May 5, 2021 7:52 AM
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i got spoiled about Thors death but i don't really care. The duel was still really tense. and even though i already knew the outcome. it was really sad to see how it ended. So now Thorfinn is in this viking group that killed his father how is this gonna go?
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i got spoiled about Thors death but i don't really care. The duel was still really tense. and even though i already knew the outcome. it was really sad to see how it ended. So now Thorfinn is in this viking group that killed his father how is this gonna go?
Jun 17, 2021 7:21 AM

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Thors is a one-man army he can't be stopped, Bjorn was intimidating but he's no match for Thors in any way

I thought Thors would lose that duel but he got won that as planned, This Bjorn guy has to interfere with the duel bastard

Damn it these guys don't give a single shit about integrity and killed Thors that's just sad, Thorfinn has a lot to take in after that scene.
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I agree with many of the other commenters that no matter how you look at it, Thorfinn got his dad killed. Although many of the arguments defending him, such as him being 6 years old, and heavily influenced by viking culture and battle are valid. I still find that his actions make me really loath his character. His angry outburst toward askaladd made his character come off way too proud and idiotic for me. This is amplified by the fact that he never actually faces the reality that he was just as responsible as askaladd for Thors death, and yet he never realizes it. There is also a conflict in my opinion, between this idea that Thorfinn was a devoted son who idolized his father, and yet, when his father tells him to do things, he habitually ignores him. He sneaks on the boat, and doesnt stay quiet and hidden on the boat during the battle like his dad said.
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This episode is frustrating and in a bad way.Thors was supposed to be the worth of 100 maybe even more than that men(acknowledged by Askelaad himself) but that got completely thrown out of the window when he got shot by a couple of arrows.The fight was so well thought out and well choreographed in a unique way but then Thors,yes the Thors that so many people talk about got killed by arrows.I don't get how he didn't saw it coming when he literally knew all of Askelaad's moves and dodged it like it was nothing.Did he seriously thought ASKELAAD will be following the rules of the battle?Laughable,just laughable.How can one be so delusional?It was quite obvious just by looking at his face that Askelaad's not the type who'll go by rules.The series did Thors dirty by giving him an unhonorable death.He seriously deserved a memorable and more honorable death.
And his death was really unnecessary.He could've had so much potential for development.
Then again,I'm solely watching this series for Askelaad's development.Let's see how it goes.
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I know he had to die because the summary said so, but man, fucks sake, that death was so unnecessary. Best character in the series, he could surely just have taken them all by not being so soft -- even though he knows his kid is watching, he should've known he would die, which is even more detrimental to the kid. Wtf. Definitely anticlimactic.

Exactly.His character is just so contradictory and poorly written.
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