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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- It's back :D Felt like the pacing slowed down a little but the character narrative coming from Ash is interesting. It's like reflecting a change and focusing on his own future. I still think the relationship between him and Eiji is among the better elements in this show. That scene with Ash confronting Arthur was pretty intense. What a fight! |
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| It's sad that an 80's manga can do action scenes better than a 2018 anime. I know I'm being a whiny manga fan but this episode felt so underwhelming compared to the manga. And not just because of the lackluster animation. Probably the most disappointing episode for me so far because this fight was what I was looking forward to most when I heard Banana Fish was getting an anime and this was such a letdown :( And I'm always going to be sad any time Sing's lines get cut. Anyway, let us rejoice that Arthur is finally dead \o/ Now that they are pretty much going to have to start doing a volume per episode, I expect most of the next arc to be cut, which is too bad because it was fun but I guess it's understandable if they make a lot of cuts because it's not that important. |
hirahiraOct 4, 2018 10:32 AM
| I had to facepalm twice at Eiji in the last few minutes of this episode... like really... But yeah, finally Arthur is dead, I haven't read the manga so I'm pretty curious as how the story will progress from now on. |
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| Finally that little bitch Arthur was done in. Good episode, for some reason it went by in an instant, tho. |
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| Arthur got a trump card under his sleeve! No way!! >_< The fight underground was so unfair but I'm glad Ash got that far and put an end to Arthur's cowardly act. Very intense battle! I'm wondering what will happen from now on... |
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| I noticed the animation was a little off for this ep. but it didn't really bother me all that much. The fight was intense and had me on the edge of my seat, so it was enough to distract me from the poorer visuals. |
| Things are about to kick off. I liked this episode, but I agree that this felt more intense in the manga as well. Maybe it has to do with already knowing what happens though, and anime-only fans might have found it just as intense. I really hope MAPPA won't skip any of the remaining arcs!! |
DanaeOct 4, 2018 12:36 PM
| Ow, this episode just finished twisting the dagger in my heart. Really, just how much has Ash suffered? ;_; That fight was intense tho. I don't blame you, even tho I love this, there's something off about this anime. Mappa isn't doing it any justice and I know this could be way better than it is. |
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| Glad this series is back and with an intense episode too. That scene with Ash talking about Kilimanjaro was really interesting too. Excited to see where this is gonna go now that Arthur is dead. |
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| It's about time that piece of shit Arthur died. The fight between him and Ash was pretty intense. Something that I found kind of funny though was how many opportunities there were for Arthur's lackeys to shoot Ash, only to stand there and not try to shoot until his attention is on them. Like, just shoot at him while he's focused on someone else lol. |
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| Arthur is dead. Good news. Sadly, everybody is arrested lol. |
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| Ash being a god shot is one thing, every single one of his assailants being stormtroopers is another thing altogether. |
| I don't get if Arthur can shoot or not, can someone clarify this for me? |
| That was a good fight, and as an anime-only viewer, I was really satisfied with this fight and how it played out. |
Lyfa said: I had to facepalm twice at Eiji in the last few minutes of this episode... like really... But yeah, finally Arthur is dead, I haven't read the manga so I'm pretty curious as how the story will progress from now on. In my opinion- it gets better now that (Arthur) he's dead. |
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lezerman said: I don't get if Arthur can shoot or not, can someone clarify this for me? He can't. Tendons in his fingers were cut. He can't seem to move them independently too well.... (ie... can't hold a gun & pull a trigger). From what I understood in the manga, anyway.... |
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windeen-windy said: lezerman said: I don't get if Arthur can shoot or not, can someone clarify this for me? He can't. Tendons in his fingers were cut. He can't seem to move them independently too well.... (ie... can't hold a gun & pull a trigger). From what I understood in the manga, anyway.... Everything makes sense now, thank you. |
| Wow... what a let down. I guess they skimped on the action for making room for stuff that was cut from last week? The animation was kind of static in comparison to the manga. Did this episode not have a budget? It was so bland and no tension at all when Ash was hiding in the train and being a one man army. Disappointing adaptation. I bet next episode wraps the majority of next arc into just one episode. Also, an example how this show should have just stayed in the 1980s. Coney Island as a gang paradise is so not the case anymore. Trains aren't a mess like that either anymore. LOL @ silly fujoshi's shipping Bones and Kong. |
MetaKiteOct 4, 2018 4:15 PM
lezerman said: windeen-windy said: He can't. Tendons in his fingers were cut. He can't seem to move them independently too well.... (ie... can't hold a gun & pull a trigger). From what I understood in the manga, anyway.... Everything makes sense now, thank you. lezerman said: windeen-windy said: He can't. Tendons in his fingers were cut. He can't seem to move them independently too well.... (ie... can't hold a gun & pull a trigger). From what I understood in the manga, anyway.... Everything makes sense now, thank you. No problem ^_^ Glad to help! I know it wasn't fully explained too well in the manga or this episode. Only people who understand problems with pain and injury and what tendons that are damaged would cause problems with, would get it without it being completely explained. |
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| Arthur was almost a coward to the end, as it was to be expected. He never intended to fight fair in the first place so I'm glad that Sing, and Cain were there, and were able to help. Ash wiping out Arthur's lackeys by himself in a train in movement was so cool, just as his final fight with Arthur was, and it was also nice to finally see the moment he cut Arthur's fingers, he was a coward from the start, and the worst to the end. Good riddance, one less to be despicable. But the best part of the episode wasn't even the cool action, but Eiji pondering about the suffering that prevents Ash from sleeping, and the bravado he puts on; not knowing how to help him. And their talk about the leopard, this was so good, but I'm worried now, are they really just going to arrest them all? At least Dino isn't in the country, and the one he left in charge was Arthur, and he's dead, so I don't think they can do anything to Ash in the jail now. Oh, and the way he ignored the crowd cheering for him, and just screamed "go back to Japan" to Eiji, saying that he didn't want him to see him like that was really poignant too! I can't with Banana Fish. |
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| Trust Arthur to fight dirty twice now. That was one cunning guy, I guess he got what he deserved in the end. Ash was really badass in this episode eliminating Arthur's men alone even though he was betrayed. Eiji's presence sure did a number on Ash, but he recovered quickly though. Ash won't die though but I wonder what will happen to Eiji and the gang since they've all been arrested. |
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| Excellent episode, the persecution was well performed, this episode did nothing than show how skilled Ash is. Everything setting things for the final minutes where Arthur is stylishly murdered. I haven't seen a murder like that in a couple of animes, very impressive and how the show play background music for the scene and get to capture Arthur's final breath. Cool. |
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| Why did Arthur hate Ash so much? They cut that conversation short. |
| Well not too surprised that Ash won or that Arthur played dirty like that. My suspension of disbelief was tested quite a bit with how pitiful Arthur's lackeys were. Ash is obviously very skilled, but there were several moments were one of those dumb asses should have had a clean shot. |
| I can't wait for this show to be nominated in Crunchyroll's AOTY. This is the best anime I ever watched in 2018! |
Mormegil said: Why did Arthur hate Ash so much? They cut that conversation short. The audience is kind of meant to piece together the hints. Even in the manga, it's not explicitly stated. This is my take on it: I think everything can be boiled down to the fact that Ash took pretty much everything from Arthur. In the flashback at the beginning, their knife fight was done to settle territory. We can assume Arthur was a gang boss before Ash came in and took it all away. In the manga, it's clearly stated that Dino gave Ash territory and a gang to lead. Meanwhile the anime only implies that Ash would not have been a gang leader if given the choice. Regardless, what really twists the knife into Arthur's pride is that Ash believes that everything he did was "not his fault," that it was all technically Dino's influence, and that he had no choice. Arthur understands that Ash "never asked" to be a gang leader, but as Arthur sees it, Ash did have a choice and he made a half-hearted decision that destroyed everything Arthur had. And that brings us to how they were at the start of the series - Ash controlled a gang he never wanted to lead while Arthur, who wanted to lead a gang, is forced to simply follow. There's also Arthur's inferiority complex and resentment towards Ash due to Dino's preferential treatment of the latter... but I think generally speaking, it's because Ash took away the things that truly mattered to Arthur. His inferiority complex and Ash getting preferential treatment just builds up on that initial hatred. I would go into more detail, especially regarding all the evidence relating to the preferential treatment... but I think doing so will create an essay about Arthur's character as a whole. Plus, the answer to your question is pretty much up to one's own interpretation of the all the details that have been dropped throughout the series so I'll leave it at that unless you specifically want to know more. |
windeen-windy said: Lyfa said: I had to facepalm twice at Eiji in the last few minutes of this episode... like really... But yeah, finally Arthur is dead, I haven't read the manga so I'm pretty curious as how the story will progress from now on. In my opinion- it gets better now that (Arthur) he's dead. Ohhhh, you've just peeked my curiousity :D |
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| Everyone's happy now that Arthur met is demise, but I do feel sad for him coz he was put into that position for being ridden of what he desired by Ash. In a way Ash is becoming the monster he does not want to be. |
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Lunallae said: Mormegil said: Why did Arthur hate Ash so much? They cut that conversation short. The audience is kind of meant to piece together the hints. Even in the manga, it's not explicitly stated. This is my take on it: I think everything can be boiled down to the fact that Ash took pretty much everything from Arthur. In the flashback at the beginning, their knife fight was done to settle territory. We can assume Arthur was a gang boss before Ash came in and took it all away. In the manga, it's clearly stated that Dino gave Ash territory and a gang to lead. Meanwhile the anime only implies that Ash would not have been a gang leader if given the choice. Regardless, what really twists the knife into Arthur's pride is that Ash believes that everything he did was "not his fault," that it was all technically Dino's influence, and that he had no choice. Arthur understands that Ash "never asked" to be a gang leader, but as Arthur sees it, Ash did have a choice and he made a half-hearted decision that destroyed everything Arthur had. And that brings us to how they were at the start of the series - Ash controlled a gang he never wanted to lead while Arthur, who wanted to lead a gang, is forced to simply follow. There's also Arthur's inferiority complex and resentment towards Ash due to Dino's preferential treatment of the latter... but I think generally speaking, it's because Ash took away the things that truly mattered to Arthur. His inferiority complex and Ash getting preferential treatment just builds up on that initial hatred. I would go into more detail, especially regarding all the evidence relating to the preferential treatment... but I think doing so will create an essay about Arthur's character as a whole. Plus, the answer to your question is pretty much up to one's own interpretation of the all the details that have been dropped throughout the series so I'll leave it at that unless you specifically want to know more. Appreciate the reply! That certainly made it a lot clearer. |
| I knew what to expect coming in to this episode and having a week to mentally prepare myself and still it wasn’t enough. I honestly loved this part so much in the manga cause it just shows just how important Eiji is becoming for Ash. But that scene where ash gets taken away....... that's really make me sad. And MAPPA changed the phrasing a bit;   “is it really true that we can’t [be together?]” vs “is it really true that we can’t [be friends?] idk why they did this, But i'm in love with this |
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| the episodes go by WAY too fast! It's a phenomenon that happens to me time and time again! Especially when my least favorite character finally dies! |
| This adaptation is a fucking massacre. I'm let down by MAPPA, the animation was fucking terrible. That said, we should have more knives fights in anime. Oh yeah and Eiji is still as annoying as ever. |
Smiley56 said: What chapter in the manga is the end of this episode? It ended about 70 percent into vol 9's chapter #1. |
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| Good to see another Banana Fish episode in 2 weeks. The episode is intense with the fast pacing in terms of "mafia" genre; but as an action-anime, the fight scenes are slightly not as fluid as I, an anime-only audience, expected. Ash illustrating his view of death with the story of "the snows of kilimanjaro" reminds me of the scene in Cowboy Bebop, where Spike explains why he is going on a no-return fight with the story of "The cat that lived a millioin times". These scenes elevate anime to a whole new level. I shall turn to the original manga for more of these philosophy exploration. (Yes I'm fully aware Ash's scene should be crafted earlier than CB) |
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Lunallae said: I sort of agree with that because you are wrong to suggest that Dino gave Ash territory and a gang. He did not. It is explicitly stated by Dino himself that Ash did not want his help in establishing a gang. Ash did it all on his own since he wanted nothing from Dino. I think this was stated in chapter 2 or 3 in the manga and I think episode 1 of the anime.Mormegil said: Why did Arthur hate Ash so much? They cut that conversation short. The audience is kind of meant to piece together the hints. Even in the manga, it's not explicitly stated. This is my take on it: I think everything can be boiled down to the fact that Ash took pretty much everything from Arthur. In the flashback at the beginning, their knife fight was done to settle territory. We can assume Arthur was a gang boss before Ash came in and took it all away. In the manga, it's clearly stated that Dino gave Ash territory and a gang to lead. Meanwhile the anime only implies that Ash would not have been a gang leader if given the choice. Regardless, what really twists the knife into Arthur's pride is that Ash believes that everything he did was "not his fault," that it was all technically Dino's influence, and that he had no choice. Arthur understands that Ash "never asked" to be a gang leader, but as Arthur sees it, Ash did have a choice and he made a half-hearted decision that destroyed everything Arthur had. And that brings us to how they were at the start of the series - Ash controlled a gang he never wanted to lead while Arthur, who wanted to lead a gang, is forced to simply follow. There's also Arthur's inferiority complex and resentment towards Ash due to Dino's preferential treatment of the latter... but I think generally speaking, it's because Ash took away the things that truly mattered to Arthur. His inferiority complex and Ash getting preferential treatment just builds up on that initial hatred. I would go into more detail, especially regarding all the evidence relating to the preferential treatment... but I think doing so will create an essay about Arthur's character as a whole. Plus, the answer to your question is pretty much up to one's own interpretation of the all the details that have been dropped throughout the series so I'll leave it at that unless you specifically want to know more. Reading between the lines, I think the case here is that Arthur was not much different from Ash but he wanted that criminal, posh lifestyle but Ash never did yet Ash benefited from excellent education and training by just being Dino's favorite. This is why Dino comments how a wildcat like Ash has no loyalty and just wants freedom while Arthur has ambition. Dino gave Arthur a chance after it was clear Ash betrayed him and was lying about the Banana Fish vial that Ash took. It was clear then that Arthur was just waiting to take Ash's place. Likely waiting for years to do so but instead Ash kept beating him at everything. |
MetaKiteOct 5, 2018 8:48 AM
Whayle said: LOL Clearly, you did not see the knife fight in the original SDF Macross anime. That was really painful to look at by even 1982 standards.This adaptation is a fucking massacre. I'm let down by MAPPA, the animation was fucking terrible. That said, we should have more knives fights in anime. Oh yeah and Eiji is still as annoying as ever. I agree that the animation in this episode was awful. |
MetaKiteOct 5, 2018 9:02 AM
Do you have an exact quote for that point? I haven't been able to dig anything up. Meanwhile, Yut Lung specifically said to Eiji in Volume 5 that "the next present was a small territory in Manhattan to run, and he showed he could keep it with or without Golzine." It's interesting that you point out that Ash wants nothing from Dino because from what I recall, the anime version of Ash does not have this specific characteristic. Last episode's scene at the airport with Ash and Dino had Ash returning both the car and an earring worth the same amount as the one he gave the Fly to Dino because he does not want to owe Dino anything in the manga. The anime removed that part entirely. I agree with that interpretation. I think there's a lot of evidence that can back up the idea that Arthur hates the fact that Ash got preferential treatment from Dino and that this favoritism is what Arthur believes is the reason Ash beats him at everything. |
Lunallae said: It's n the same scene where Dino talks about how Ash has a multi-ethnic gang. I can track it down later. It stuck out for precisely the reasons you stated. It seems contradictory and I think the anime has muddled it some since it has a tendency to cut out small important details like Ash giving the Rolls Royce back to Dino.Do you have an exact quote for that point? I haven't been able to dig anything up. Meanwhile, Yut Lung specifically said to Eiji in Volume 5 that "the next present was a small territory in Manhattan to run, and he showed he could keep it with or without Golzine." It's interesting that you point out that Ash wants nothing from Dino because from what I recall, the anime version of Ash does not have this specific characteristic. Last episode's scene at the airport with Ash and Dino had Ash returning both the car and an earring worth the same amount as the one he gave the Fly to Dino because he does not want to owe Dino anything in the manga. The anime removed that part entirely. I agree with that interpretation. I think there's a lot of evidence that can back up the idea that Arthur hates the fact that Ash got preferential treatment from Dino and that this favoritism is what Arthur believes is the reason Ash beats him at everything. |
| Another great episode! |
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| ok just wow...Ah was really taken back by Eiji in the end...he didn't want Eiji to look at that side of him |
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| Since the opening highlighted it, I kind of expected a very ugly scene for the outside fight. Well, it wasn't that ugly in the end. It was simply... there. The speed is still acceptable, I wonder when they will hit the accelerator again to fit 25 tomes in 25eps. 3/5 @Clemance Are yous ure the sentences are different? It could simply be a translation/adaptation difference? |
Rei_IIIOct 5, 2018 12:47 PM
Rei366 said: @Clemance Are yous ure the sentences are different? It could simply be a translation/adaptation difference? Yes sure. Many things have changed in this anime |
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