"Anime studios should not overwork their staff!" "Crunchyroll should pay the translators better"... and this kind of stuff said by weebs who pirate everything
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| Don't you think it is a bit ironic? (or hypocrite) Peace |
Rob7Jul 13, 2021 4:19 PM
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| just thought I would let you know that you spelled exploitation wrong 5 times |
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ponpokorin said: just thought I would let you know that you spelled exploitation wrong 5 times Thanks, my salary is too low for a better job on this. |
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| I mean not everyone who says that doesn't pay or hasn't paid for some stuff. I am still kinda mixed with some legal sources and piracy (in some cases because it's not really available). Plus regardless of if you pay I think there is something to be said about how animator treatment hasn't improved despite the industry doubling in profit over the last decade. That is mainly due to non Japanese fans growing the industry by paying. If someone points that out and hasn't ever contributed to anime yeah they are a bit of hypocrite but the point still stands. |
| I pirate everything and have spent THOUSANDS (in USD) on merch. GTFO with that anti-piracy crap. |
| who cares, without piracy, anime wouldn’t have been as big as it is now π΄β οΈ |
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| it's more like paying for crunchyroll does not contribute against work exploitation the only reason to pay for crunchyroll is to feel good about yourself while also demonstrating to companies that you think that the practices they do support are acceptable |
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Chandela said: I pirate everything and have spent THOUSANDS (in USD) on merch. GTFO with that anti-piracy crap. Hey, i DO pirate too, a lot. But i don't complain about that issues. |
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| my boss overworks me, of course I wouldn't care about some animators but still, overworking your staff is stupid when you don't even give them the right amount of dough. anyone should criticize whatever he wants. |
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| pirating is more convenient when it comes to anime, im not about to subscribe to 5 websites neither can i afford it. Plus who are you to gatekeep people from supporting abused staff ? it's not like they pay them from your subscription directly. Putting some tension on the bag holders is still worth it. |
| So you're telling me buying all these crappy anime fighters on Steam isn't actually helping the industry? Oh well... |
| Nuclear levels of a bad take. You can still support the industry without paying for anime. For example, every Gundam game I buy means money going into the Sunrise and Bamco coffers. |
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| Personally I pay for my anime. But even despite that. I really don't think companies like Crunchyroll pay their workers little because of how piracy is harming the industry and they are left with no choice. They're paying their workers little because they know they can get away with it. |
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| And yeah, cruncy and fuimationshit is making miljons and paying out nothing. Goat logic, I wonder how they even do earn those miljons when we pirate everything, gg life bud. |
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| Commoners deserve to be overworked. See, this is what happens when you spoil a bunch of lowlifes, they'll get greedy and start demanding more! Humans are greedy by nature, so if the Elites abandon their role of keeping peoples greed in check then the peasants are gonna get ahead of themselves and act like they're equal in worth. So stop complaining about insignificant things and enjoy your fucking anime, plebs. |
| I understand not wanting to pay for services you don't think are worth it that don't contribute to the industry, that totally parses and I'm not anti-piracy. What I don't understand is why the people who don't pay for services and don't buy merch feel like they're still justified criticizing what they like on such a high horse, especially when half of them wouldn't even support the industry if the streaming services actually got better and supported the industry more. Half of the anti-legal service posts feel like they're just latching onto an excuse for what they're doing. With that said, fuck most animation studios, MAPPA especially, for their working conditions. I'm actually not sure on the Crunchyroll translator stuff, I remember seeing both comments and posts talking about how shit they're paid, but I've also seen posts debunking it, so I'm not exactly sure what's the truth. |
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| I pay for Crunchyroll (which is garbage), Netflix and Amazon Prime. What more do you want from me billion dollar industry? To not torrent? To buy body pillows/figurines/worst-of-all-DVDs? Suck my dick lmao. Only shit I'll ever buy is source material for anime which you either don't adapt completely or do so poorly. I already have to pay for VPN to get a decent library which in CR's case you can't even download offline. Torrenting is far too superior and easy especially when it comes to anime. Giving the industry more profits doesn't magically change working conditions for the niggas in studio making the anime. Whether you pirate or not does not dictate the credibility of your opinion. |
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Rob7 said: its not complaining, its giving awareness. I also pirate everything, but if i didnt i highly doubt my subscription to crunchyroll would have any impact, and if you disagree tell me why it hasnt changed now that anime is at all time peak, its not like they need more people to subcribe to make the changesChandela said: I pirate everything and have spent THOUSANDS (in USD) on merch. GTFO with that anti-piracy crap. Hey, i DO pirate too, a lot. But i don't complain about that issues. |
| Yes, it is crocodile tears all the way to say "Oh, it's so unfortunate that these workers are underpaid by this system whose financial health and stability I'm not contributing to." Go ahead and pirate if you want, but you're not engaging in any noble activism or standing with the workers by doing so. If viewers really feel that strongly about the issue, maybe they should consider not watching anime. But most are not going to do that, because they care more about their own entertainment than the plight of the workers. "Piracy as protest" is nothing more than a self-serving smokescreen. Katorga_ said: It is not hypocritical in the slightest. You're implying that if piracy was drastically reduced then industry standards regarding workers rights etc would improve. Like those that pirate are somehow implicit to the exploitation, and are somehow feeding it. When in reality that just isn't the case. Those that pirate can absolutely criticise the industry standard because the piracy of anime isn't contributing to the exploitation The problem is that pirates are benefiting from that exploitation, in the form of free entertainment for themselves. It absolutely is hypocritical to say, "exploiting workers is wrong, except when I do it." Increased revenues would not automatically improve workers' fortunes, but they have a lot better chance of winning concessions and better pay from an industry flush with cash than one that can barely keep the lights on because of piracy. Have you ever heard of these things called "licensing fees," or do you think Japanese companies are just that stupid? Funny how pirates who claim to care about workers aren't equally or more outraged about their favorite bootleg sites out there that make money from anime and literally pay nothing into the system. |
| just because we don't contribute doesn't mean it's none of our business. Just talking about anime everyday may get newcomers to watch it. It's not wrong for a homeless bum to spread awareness about having a healthy food diet for example. Don't judge people beforehand, think about what they say, if it's true then we should listen to it. We don't criticize or discuss anime for it's flaws because we don't care since we are not making anime in first place? |
| So does that mean we should stop getting concerning for the animators? How is this even a hypocrisy in the first place?I think you got the meaning wrong. |
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| Funimation and cr censor half their shit. Also I don't want to sub to like 3 different streaming sites to watch everything. I don't even have netflix |
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| not participating in the system ≠ not contributing to some of those that the system should more ideally properly compensate my dreamworld: all anime studios open up a paetron where you can directly dump money for more shit Rob7 said: ponpokorin said: just thought I would let you know that you spelled exploitation wrong 5 times Thanks, my salary is too low for a better job on this. lmfao |
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| I don't pay for anime mostly because I don't have the money to do so, and a little bit because the money earnt from western streaming services doesn't go to the animators, but instead the company and the investors |
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| Just because I'ma piece of shit doesn't mean the bosses at anime studios/crunchyroll need to be one as well! |
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| Of course this is a bad argument, Lmao. Why the fuck should a company listen to you, if you aren't even a customer? |
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| It seems the OP woke up this morning and couldn't find his only 2 brain cells, so he just decided to roll without them and made this post. Bad choice on your part OP, even 2 brain cells are enough to see that this is idiots take. |
| So it's our fault that the animators themselves agreed to their below-poverty pay for their work and thus are required to work insane hours in bad conditions to make ends need? That's an issue that can be solved by the studio and the staff (good example is Kyoani), not by foreigners who pirate anime. Plus license and subscription fees hardly trickle down to the studios and the workers in the first place. You can actually contribute by buying merchandise and source material that better goes towards studios and creators. Also, why don't the translators for CR demand more money for their work? They agreed to a set amount of money earned for translating one episode (I heard it was around $80/episode), regardless of how difficult and complicated the Japanese is to translate. |
_cjessop19_Jul 14, 2021 3:13 AM
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| @Zalis, yes I think Japan is as stupid as you own comment. It toke them 140 years to understand that they have fans outside of Japan, as it toke them this long to even have the braincells to start working on 2 streaming service for the world to use. Then again, don't sitt and use you damn fantasy to try to prove a point. It's the most stupid thing you can do, when you don't know a shit about the guy you're trying to trigger. As I have been collecting DvD, Blurays, Figurens, Games and Manga from the serie I love. And then again if you know are so damn smart you would know that if you live in Sweden you have access to around 75x shows. But hey thinking is hard in the Anime Community, so it's understanable that going full rampage before thinking is a common thing here. When it comes to support the Industry I have done it for years and in huge amount of money, so bud. Don't think you have a big dick just because you're sitting on the Internet and can't face me face to face. Dude, next time try to think before you act and I will answer you question once more. Yes I think Japan extremly stupid and they have been that since the day streaing service was a thing. Cruncy and Funimation is bathe in money while the creators of the shows that Cruncy and Funimation is streaming is having problem to put food on the table and haven't sleep the last 3x days. And a huge reason for this is because how stupid they are and have been. As Netflix payed Mappa the lowest amount of the lowest for each frame in Yasuke and Netflix have been called the savor of Anime. Maybe time to start to think about how stupid they are instead of protecting them, as for me. If a country in the deep sea ignor the whole world and think they can only live on China. That just prove how stupid they are, as Japan would be nothing without China currently. |
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| Dude I Pirate anime but bought around 1000$ worth novels of it and 600-700 $ merch. Don't give me this crap |
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| You'd think weebs would be more anti-capitalism. |
| I live in Eastern Europe where half the sites are blocked and the Netflix library is empty as hell. I have to pirate especially if I want to follow seasonals (I still support whenever I can). That won't stop me from criticizing cause it is very obvious that these companies are loaded with money and still exploit. This is a global problem that's not reserved to the animation industry- the video game industry is in the same shitty boat. |
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| Be careful, you can get hit with a warning for criticizing people for speaking out against this shit in insincere, self-serving ways. Speaking from experience on that one. |
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salmarad said: Its hard not to pirate when movies only air in Japan and shows are split between many platforms. It is unrealistic for the average viewer to pay for a monthly subscription to multiple anime sites when pirating is so much easier (and free). + What if you live in a country that gets only few anime ? If the Licencors and Streaming companies will not cooperate then Piracy will never stop. I support Anime Industries in other ways ( buying merch ) |
_cjessop19_ said: So it's our fault that the animators themselves agreed to their below-poverty pay for their work and thus are required to work insane hours in bad conditions to make ends need? That's an issue that can be solved by the studio and the staff (good example is Kyoani), not by foreigners who pirate anime. Plus license and subscription fees hardly trickle down to the studios and the workers in the first place. You can actually contribute by buying merchandise and source material that better goes towards studios and creators. Also, why don't the translators for CR demand more money for their work? They agreed to a set amount of money earned for translating one episode (I heard it was around $80/episode), regardless of how difficult and complicated the Japanese is to translate. I don't understand how some people think "anime subtitle translator" is a profitable skill. |
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Nillwas said: As I have been collecting DvD, Blurays, Figurens, Games and Manga from the serie I love. And then again if you know are so damn smart you would know that if you live in Sweden you have access to around 75x shows. Cruncy and Funimation is bathe in money while the creators of the shows that Cruncy and Funimation is streaming is having problem to put food on the table and haven't sleep the last 3x days. I never said you didn't support the industry, only that you (and many others) who profess sympathy for the plight of animators are engaging in piracy without condemning pirate sites for exploiting underpaid animators for their own profit. And really, all those other companies, whether disc distributors, book publishers, merch manufacturers, or game developers, are in the same situation -- they take a cut of proceeds for themselves, and the production committee investors get their share of revenue as well. So this is not some principled stand against entities that make money from anime while animators go hungry, it's selective resentment against CR/Funi and the like. If you don't want to subscribe to them because they don't serve your region well enough, I understand. But this denial of the fact that they pay into and fund the system that produces anime is not a reality-based criticism. Because in reality, overseas licensing revenue brings more to the industry and to studios than almost any other source of revenue, including the much-lauded "merch" sector. Nurguburu said: It's called empathy. Anti-piracy people complaining are the real hypocrites here, they think everyone is rich like them and most legal anime sites only pay a tiny percentage -or none- to the creators. Touch some grass. Do you honestly believe that any Japanese company would tell a legal streaming site, "sure, you can stream our show, you don't have to pay us anything, just keep all the profits for yourselves"? Seems like it's the anti-industry crowd that needs more grass-touching. I don't think everyone is in the same financial position I am; I just think that the pirates who say " I can't pay because I'm a broke kid / jobless student / resident of a low-income country" or "I can't afford more than one subscription" should admit that piracy is a pricing problem instead, of hiding behind victim-blaming "service problem" nonsense. |
ZalisJul 18, 2021 12:09 PM
| i usually watch most of my anime on crunchyroll, but if it is not available on there or netflix, i will go on a pirating website. i've noticed the same ironic thing with the "pirating is bad!" people. |
| By this F'd up logic, OP better be out there on social media telling Vegetarians/Vegans they have no "RIGHT" to complain about animal cruelty in the slaughter houses, and people that don't buy precious gems/exotic jewelry have no "RIGHT" to speak out against the slave/child labor in various Diamond/other gem mines. I don't use Twitter or Facebook, so I guess I'm not allowed to speak out against their censoring/cancel culture practices? Seriously, OP... if someone sees or thinks they see an injustice somewhere, they have every right to speak up about it whether they somehow contribute to that industry or not. |
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