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Yeah, some people love to search for any sort of apocalyptic prophecies. The closer they are, the better, as, like you said, such information fuels up their emotions and makes them both scared and excited, or even passionate in some cases. That's why when they see a renowned and respected scientist writing about something, be it in a slightly humoristic way or not, they often just jump to the hypothetical date of the end of the world without even paying more attention (or any attention) to the context, background, or whole paper, lol.

At least they are not that influential due to their profession. After all, science isn't as exciting to the majority of the population as charismatic gurus with hypnotizing speeches and idealistic ideas. Science serves well as a fallacy ("uh-oh are you an actual scholar in hygiene to tell me that it's good to take a shower often?!") or a semi-fallacious way of derailing the discussion ("my source/sources says/say that the Earth is flat, you have no source, or even if you do, you have fewer sources than me, check-mate!").

The worst is when there is a fanatic using their charisma to gather people around themselves in the form of a cult. It usually ends up with horrible things happening. Events such as what happened in Jonestown in 1978 (mass suicide inspired by the guru of Peoples Temple, Jim Jones) or in Tokyo in 1995 (subway sarin attack inspired by the guru of Aum Shinrikyou, Shoukou Asahara), are only a few of the shocking and upsetting things that happened because a charismatic person overused their influence and inspired their believers, this way or another, to do atrocious things for the sake of the sect.

I had the impression of reading about a scientific shitpost of some sort, lol. Something that was meant to be more refined than a common meme, but didn't mean to be as serious as a stereotypical scientific work. xD

So did I, thank you for shooting a request my way also! Wishing you a good day :^)

Ouch. It's a shame. I didn't feel the discussed topic itself was about something that could be considered a reason to delete the whole thread. At least it wasn't when I checked it out last time, which was hours ago, lol. I guess the original post had too much religion-centered stuff written in it. Maybe it was the reason of the whole thread's deletion. Oh well.

Luckily, I read your post, although I wanted to reply to it sometime later, because I had to do one thing that couldn't wait. I remember that you shared a link to an article that seemed to be a quick rundown of the stuff presented in the original article. The article I was referring to in the post I wrote was, of course, "Doomsday: Friday, 13 November, A.D. 2026" written by Heinz von Foerster, Patricia M. Mora, Lawrence W. Amiot. It was published in "Science" magazine in 1960. Long story short, in the article, there was proposed a formula allowing to predict future population growth, with picking up 13th November 2026 as the date of the aforementioned doomsday. Unlike other predictions, it wasn't a destructive image of cataclysms destroying the whole planet, but rather a day in which the human population growth, according to the formula, would become infinite and thus would lead to an overpopulation disaster without any chances to stop.

Well, surely an interesting take, coming from a great and influential scientist. However, I'm not convinced. The problem of unstoppable overpopulation, in my opinion, is too complex to be analyzed with just one formula and with just math. Scholars can predict, more or less, what might be the world's population in the future, which they do (statistics and predictions based on them exist, after all, lol), but to have a formula allowing them to grasp such complicated, dependable on so many different factors, thing? Bold and ambitious thing to do, no matter whether it was done unironically, or perhaps with a dose of humor, or out of scientific curiosity leading to an attempt at creating a formula of that kind.

As for me, I treat it as a scientific curio. Like I said, the concept of "infinite overpopulation of humans on Earth", assuming it's something that has a chance to occur one day (I doubt it will, at least not until we, as human beings, start building stable space civilizations on other planets shattered around our galaxy), is too complex to be put into the boundaries of a scientific formula. An idea for a sci-fi story? Sure thing, sounds cool, but not as anything close to a realistic prognosis.

I also remember that you mentioned fearmongering related to the overpopulation topic. Yeah, I saw fans of apocalyptic visions of overpopulation using it as an argument, though very rarely. Not that that I met a lot of 'em. I find it way healthier to avoid such people, if all they have to say is just repeating the same stuff with "trust me bro" credibility. Anyway, perhaps the thing I mentioned wasn't that popular maybe due to its still refined mathematical background. That's the only reason I can think of when wondering why the folks I'm talking about didn't touch on this subject a lot, at least in the convos on the Internet I happened to read. After all, it's way easier to just stick to slogans of all sorts than to just go deeper into the subject.

Fun fact: Heinz von Foerster's Doomsday was scheduled to take place on his 115th birthday. Funny coincidence? A joke of some sort? Maybe, maybe. But is Friday 13th a coincidence as well, I wonder?! xD

Hello from another fellow Canadian (Quebec).

Saw you on that cursed "does age matter" thread. Nice to see another sane person! I actually stopped talking to that Noboru quite a number of years ago when I first discovered their questionable morals. I see nothing has changed in all this time.

For sure.

I just finished reading the Hellhammer/Celtic Frost 'Only Death Is Real' book, have you checked it out? If not I highly recommend it if you see it at a good price anywhere. It goes into the history of Hellhammer and early Celtic Frost (up until just after Morbid Tales was released) and has a lot of photos and scans of artwork, old logos, flyers, etc. It's written by Tom G. Warrior with some input from Martin Eric Ain too. I found it super interesting.

I woke up after you messaged me. If you wanna play today, I'm here now.

Hey! Bout Piracy, https://myanimelist.net/forum/?goto=post&topicid=2152534&id=70775623

I guess we both agree in general terms. Im good with the distinction Penal Code does.

Once you see the new Higurashi, you'll interpret it in an entirely different way.

There are so many ways to interpret that. XD

I tried to keep with new series for like two or three times but failed lol I still watch new stuff from time to time, next spring in particular does have lots of sequels/continuing series that I'm very interested to get an eye on. But I'm more of guy who checks old anime from the 00' to early 10'

Maybe I misunderstand the "intrinsic" here, to me it sounds like rights exist naturally, but there are no rights in nature. They are a human concept and not every individual has the same in mind, so to find an acceptable consensus requires a democratic process and then the state is responsible to protect the constituted rights. Sadly some people in power abuse it to infringe on, reshape or even abolish certain rights for their own benefit, it happened many times already and will keep happening.

Well, I wasn't disputing the claim that men in general want to feel competent. Moreso why wouldn't the same go for women? To feel competent, capable, depended on. All are normal human desires. However, you can't tell me that "the want to feel competent" can't and doesn't more often than not escalate into agression when channeled and expressed incorrectly. Which then can manifest differently in men and women. But tldr: I don't really subscribe to the male/female nature debates since I've seen too many of them on tiktok and whatnot that are just malicious and dehumanizing.

Sure? But again, that's a pretty generic reason for anyone who chooses that aspect of their life as motivation. Idk if you think that's more true for men, agree to disagree.