| I just think it's funny that some people create their own custom rating system just to have a low mean score, as they think to have one means your opinion is objectively true. I remember seeing some users who were like "I rate my anime on a scale from 1 to 6, where 6 is best ever", so that they could have a mean score of 4 or 5. I've also seen users who would rate only the anime they disliked and leave the anime they liked without a rating, so that they could have too a really low mean score. It isn't something that must be dealt with, not really a problem. It's just this unspoken rule that a lot of users believe, that if your mean score is low it means you're accultured and your opinions have more value than users' with higher scores, and it turns into a race for the lowest score. But again, yeah, not really a problem. This "who's got the biggest peepee" race doesn't really cause harm. |
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| I mean I get those kinda of comments quite often, but it’s usually by idiots, so they can just be ignored. |
| Gotta love that original AD content It's quite simple really, those people just can't stand seeing someone give a 4 or 3 to their beloved favourites |
| Maybe idiots feel the need to one up them on being "judgmental" because they're so insecure. It's not like they care if the person actually likes and enjoys the industry, possibly even more than them. |
 I don't believe in the Devil. You should. He believes in you. |
| MAL folks are obsessed with some arbitrary number attached to a show. |
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| They are beyond some people's comprehension. |
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| Criticizing them doesn't help anyone... Some do this because of some obsessive tendency that makes them feel really good seeing that completed or all anime number go up. Others do this because they give note to stuff they drop, sometimes at episode 1. And many other motives, of course. And criticizing helps no one in most of these situations. Tolerance and empathy go a long way. |
 罪に罪を重ねるだけだよ if you erase sin with a sin, you just add to your sins . |
| MAL users have an extremely obsession with any arbitrary number and in this cased mean score is one of them or can simply be insecurity. |
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| Bcos toxic ass MAL users believe that in order to show affections towards anime, we need to potentially love every single anime we watch, which then means all anime needs to be high-rated. Thus, distinctions between the favorable and the atrocious are prohibited, and no u cannot dissect anime, bcos that shows ur a critic for some bizarre reason idfk |
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| Positivity Zombies are the worst. People who demand only positive things be said about media are the reason things like Berserk 2016 happen. They say snide things about "you aren't a real fan if you rate it low." But really they are the fake fans. They are willing to accept absolute mediocrity without pursuing higher quality. What fan would willing say, "yes I want my favorite series to be adapted poorly rather than well?" |
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| People on this forum criticize others for the most random shit. They probably just enjoy being toxic. |
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| because they watch anime and don't enjoy the majority which means they are purposefully wasting their time on something they don't like that is very questionable behavior there is a BIG difference between <4 and 5.5~ @Wsujrdfginoh --ALEX-- said: Because it’s fucking RETARDED to watch something you don’t seem to enjoy just for the sake of shitting on it. If you’re giving any and all anime you watch 4 or lower...clearly anime is NOT for you! You don’t like it...so why watch it? To Hate watch? To be a cynical asshole? Because that’s how these people come across. exactly. |
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| Who the fuck is we, first off? Don't lump us all together. |
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Tsunshine-Chris said: This.Who the fuck is we, first off? Don't lump us all together. I don't criticize people based on their mean MAL scores. In fact I don't think I've ever looked up anyone's mean MAL score, haha. |
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| Personally, I have never seen someone getting criticized for having a low mean score and i also don't get how it could bother someone. The only reason I can come up with is that you gave an anime he liked a low score and got mad. |
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| I don't like most comedy or stuff that is poorly written. But sadly most anime falls into one or both of those camps, so it follows that most of the stuff I give an average or mediocre rating. |
| Shoot first, think never. |
| Because lots of anime watchers never stopped 5 seconds to wonder what they like or don't about a show, they just swallow everything with a blank stare and rate everything 7+. It's very hard for them to understand that what some people enjoy in anime is the actual content rather than pretty colors and people yelling NANI!? for meme value. Imagine someone who watches tooons of movies. Would you find it surprising if they didn't like the majority of what they saw? Do you think the majority of movies are good? Oh wait, Fast and Furious has 7 or 8 entries, so I guess people actually watch any kind of shitty movie too as long as they can drool all over themselves. |
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deg said: if i see a low mean score like that i check if they have seen thousands of anime already and if they do Strugeons Law "90% of everything is trash" applies to their mindset and experience i guess but if i see a low mean score with just below 100 anime watched on their list then ye they are clearly not enjoying anime much It really depends on the rating system lol |
| i forgot about that feature until i saw this thread,but now that i do think about it if i saw someone with a mean score of like 5 ish id be kinda :/ since they obviously think no anime can live up to their expectation therefore not enjoying it,ooooor its one of those elists which i dont care for |
"those who aren't able to find a more miserable person than themselves turn to the internet and call others losers,even though they've never met"- Satou from nhk |
| Why do people with low mean MAL scores tend to criticize other people. |
| I actually dont really like the fact that my mean score is so low, but its not because I hate all anime, but rather because I tend to watch a lot of trash and I mean like real trash and those deserve no better score. I think the average score for TV, OVA and so on is actually alright. I have to agree with this one: PeppermintHearts said: People criticize users with low mean score because they are mean! Anyway, I do see the critics point, if a person doesn't like most anime they watch, they should watch something else. Otherwise, I don't really care what another's mean score is! |
| I don't criticize people with low mean score I just feel sad for them because they spent a lot of time watching anime and thier score is under 5 which means " average" or even below this. So it looks like they watched about 20,000 episodes of the anime and they did not enjoy it as they rated them on average below 5 |
| I don't care about others' mean score... |
| Because we Sometimes "Forget" that nobody rates based on Enjoyment alone in order to defend certain shows. |
  愛がなければ、見えない。 Without Love, the truth cannot be seen. |
| Don't really see a lot of criticizing. Though some hold negative or dismissing opinions about them. It's strange they stick around in a medium that clearly isn't for them. It'd make more sense if they were paid to review it. Having a score below 5 and continuing is weird. On average they will find an anime to be "bad" or "very bad", yet seek out more? Seems like too much dedication for it to be a "enjoying a bad movie" type of deal. Though I think a lot of is just having the mentality that everything but their favorites is trash and they rate accordingly. Either way it's super corny. |
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| Is that how it is now? I always thought people with "high" mean scores are the ones being insulted. |
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Deathko said: Because lots of anime watchers never stopped 5 seconds to wonder what they like or don't about a show, they just swallow everything with a blank stare and rate everything 7+. It's very hard for them to understand that what some people enjoy in anime is the actual content rather than pretty colors and people yelling NANI!? for meme value. Imagine someone who watches tooons of movies. Would you find it surprising if they didn't like the majority of what they saw? Do you think the majority of movies are good? Oh wait, Fast and Furious has 7 or 8 entries, so I guess people actually watch any kind of shitty movie too as long as they can drool all over themselves. This one gets it. People who just mindlessly consume without any thought are often hostile to any kind of critical analysis. |
Futz_ said: This has been bugging me recently, when I come across profiles who have a mean score of around 5 there are always nasty comments saying something along the lines of this, "With a mean score of 4.41, why don't you just stop watching anime? You clearly don't like it xD. Try some movies or tv shows." Do people not understand that every individual has a different scale when it comes to anime? For me, I believe that the people with a mean score around 5 are more correct than the majority of us because in a 1-10 scale 5 should indicate a average anime. Because why are these people watching shows they don't like? And no, 5 is not an average score. If you get 50% in all your classes at school do you say your grades are average? Come on now. Let's say there are 1000 anime on MAL. You add up all their scores, then divide it by 1000. That is the average score for an anime. And considering even garbage series like Kenja no Mago have scores of over 7/10, there is no way the average would be 5. A 5/10 should indicate that it was just as bad as it was good. Considering anime is entertainment, we should be wanting to watch shows that entertain us more than the opposite. |
Saku_k said: Futz_ said: This has been bugging me recently, when I come across profiles who have a mean score of around 5 there are always nasty comments saying something along the lines of this, "With a mean score of 4.41, why don't you just stop watching anime? You clearly don't like it xD. Try some movies or tv shows." Do people not understand that every individual has a different scale when it comes to anime? For me, I believe that the people with a mean score around 5 are more correct than the majority of us because in a 1-10 scale 5 should indicate a average anime. Because why are these people watching shows they don't like? And no, 5 is not an average score. If you get 50% in all your classes at school do you say your grades are average? Come on now. Let's say there are 1000 anime on MAL. You add up all their scores, then divide it by 1000. That is the average score for an anime. And considering even garbage series like Kenja no Mago have scores of over 7/10, there is no way the average would be 5. A 5/10 should indicate that it was just as bad as it was good. Considering anime is entertainment, we should be wanting to watch shows that entertain us more than the opposite. hmm, you actually have a good point there |
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papsoshea said: It goes both ways. A few people that I have seen with high mean scores get the treatment you're talking about. I see this pop-up every now and then in the forums. yea, I get that. I realized that when some of the people commenting here started to flame me for posting a really prevalent topic. |
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| Same reason people do anime analysis, because some retard out there actually fucking cares. |
| warning this idiot is a professional retard |
papsoshea said: Futz_ said: Actually, there are a few interesting comments here, more recently, by Saku_k. So your thread ended up making for a good read.yea, I get that. I realized that when some of the people commenting here started to flame me for posting a really prevalent topic. oh, that's good to hear. I also thought that Saku_k's comment was thought provoking. Now I need to rethink my logic |
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Krayken said: Some reason people do anime analysis, because some retard out there actually fucking cares. honestly, a good review that doesn't spoil really helps a lot when deciding shows. However, I can see your point because you should follow what you think not someone else. |
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| We do Cause they're fucking subhumans that's why. |
| Because how dare they dislike others' favorite shows! I know what will change their mind, let's flame them on their profile xd. Either way I imagine people with less than 5 doesn't necessarily hate every anime they have watched but the anime they rated a 1 really does drop the mean a bit. Or could have seen a plethora of things like specials, OVA's, or really dumb stuff like pupa and whatnot. |
| Because some of them are just trolling with their scores https://myanimelist.net/profile/Krunchyman Tbh 'we' aren't much different from them, we waste our time writing comments on their profiles and going through their scores and they waste their time watching anime they dont even like |
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Aslat24 said: I am the complete opposite. I criticize people for having really high mean scores. If your mean score is over a 7 you are not using the 1-10 scale right. Yeah, it can kinda skew numbers. I see this on Asian drama sites. I figure if anything is a 8.9 or higher it is good, 9.5 to 10 it is great, 9.8 out of 10, it must be the best. Meanwhile, if it was 7.9, basically it will be a bad show. So, there is no real range. I am not sure I quite see that here, but there are a decent chunk that will give a title the don't "like" a 7 out of 10. I mean, if it is bad, give that mother a 2 or 3. |
| I honestly didn't even know there was score shaming until just now. (I don't ever use the forums) I think that's kinda ridiculous though... Probably has to do with people just being mad that their favourite animes are getting scores they find low and stuff. |
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| Most of everything in any medium is comprised of mediocrity and crap. The more you watch anime, the more likely is that your score is going to drop because the bad and mediocre start outweighing the good. I'm not even at 900 completed anime yet and I've already dipped below a five. Does that mean I hate anime? No, that's a stupid thing to assume. If I did hate anime, I wouldn't be watching as much shit as I do. "Why don't you just stop watching bad anime and watch stuff you like instead? I want to see everything this medium has to offer because I'm passionate about it. Also because exploring stuff is generally fun. Something you might've thought would be bad could end up great. And nothing feels better than finding a great, obscure show that's amazing and nobody's heard of for maximum hipster points. |
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| For me an average anime scores 7.For others it might be 5.Its just everyones perspective which has to be different and i dont see why people criticize others for it |
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Saku_k said: Okay, I must respond to this travesty. School grades are tied to empirical observations: a single student understands and tests well on a certain percentage of the material. Over time, school administrations have learned how to adjust difficulty to target a certain mean, and that's why they call that "average", whether it's C or B. What they mean is that's the target average. Why do they target 70%-80% as opposed to 50%? It's called grade inflation, to quell parent outrage and so on.And no, 5 is not an average score. If you get 50% in all your classes at school do you say your grades are average? Come on now. Anime rating, on the other hand, is not tied to any empirical observation, because the individual system is completely subjective. You don't take a quiz and get some score. After the same experience, it's up to you whether you want to rate it a 1 or a 10, based on your own standard. In fact, by definition, under such a system, 5.5 is the real average based on the normal distribution. No matter how you rate, even if you only use 8-10, we can interpret your ratings by adjusting your bias (e.g. mean) and range (e.g. variance) back to normal distribution, so we can fairly compare to other ratings, if we wanted. Saku_k said: Yes, that's the average score overall, possibly because the average user, like you, abuses the rating system, purposefully decreasing the granularity and usefulness.Let's say there are 1000 anime on MAL. You add up all their scores, then divide it by 1000. That is the average score for an anime. Saku_k said: Using popularity to justify the individual rating is so backwards. What you want is have each individual rate correctly so you can obtain a useful average. The average is built from individual scores. When individuals are influenced by the average, their scoring is no longer independent, and we get a homoscedastic/non-invertible condition (for you linear algebra/statistics junkies out there).And considering even garbage series like Kenja no Mago have scores of over 7/10, there is no way the average would be 5. A 5/10 should indicate that it was just as bad as it was good. No. If a show is good or bad, you rate it according to your own system that utilizes the entire 1-10 scale. Saku_k said: No matter how much you love anime, the shows don't all entertain you the same. If you set your baseline to, say, 8, you suffer clipping, or aliasing, since you only get 3 useful levels (i.e. 8, 9, 10). We an outsider, we might as well assume that you mean 1, 5, 10, where 8 maps to 1, and so on. With 5.5 as my average, I utilize the entire 1-10 scale. My list is much more informative.Considering anime is entertainment, we should be wanting to watch shows that entertain us more than the opposite. If you love anime so much that you rate everything a 10, I'm going to assume all your 10s are actually 5's -- the average -- by definition of the normal distribution. That's what average colloquially means -- the score most get. In the case of all 10s, 10 is average. So I don't think you truly love anything, or at least that's what your list would communicate as a consequence of that rating system. |
| My subjective reviews: katsureview.wordpress.com THE CHAT CLUB. |
| I have a mean score of 5-6 and no one complained to me about that so far. I mean 5.5 would be an average mean score, so there is no problem in the first place. Probably just a few people with too much freetime. |
katsucats said: Saku_k said: Okay, I must respond to this travesty. School grades are tied to empirical observations: a single student understands and tests well on a certain percentage of the material. Over time, school administrations have learned how to adjust difficulty to target a certain mean, and that's why they call that "average", whether it's C or B. What they mean is that's the target average. Why do they target 70%-80% as opposed to 50%? It's called grade inflation, to quell parent outrage and so on.And no, 5 is not an average score. If you get 50% in all your classes at school do you say your grades are average? Come on now. Anime rating, on the other hand, is not tied to any empirical observation, because the individual system is completely subjective. You don't take a quiz and get some score. After the same experience, it's up to you whether you want to rate it a 1 or a 10, based on your own standard. In fact, by definition, under such a system, 5.5 is the real average based on the normal distribution. No matter how you rate, even if you only use 8-10, we can interpret your ratings by adjusting your bias (e.g. mean) and range (e.g. variance) back to normal distribution, so we can fairly compare to other ratings, if we wanted. Saku_k said: Yes, that's the average score overall, possibly because the average user, like you, abuses the rating system, purposefully decreasing the granularity and usefulness.Let's say there are 1000 anime on MAL. You add up all their scores, then divide it by 1000. That is the average score for an anime. Saku_k said: Using popularity to justify the individual rating is so backwards. What you want is have each individual rate correctly so you can obtain a useful average. The average is built from individual scores. When individuals are influenced by the average, their scoring is no longer independent, and we get a homoscedastic/non-invertible condition (for you linear algebra/statistics junkies out there).And considering even garbage series like Kenja no Mago have scores of over 7/10, there is no way the average would be 5. A 5/10 should indicate that it was just as bad as it was good. No. If a show is good or bad, you rate it according to your own system that utilizes the entire 1-10 scale. Saku_k said: No matter how much you love anime, the shows don't all entertain you the same. If you set your baseline to, say, 8, you suffer clipping, or aliasing, since you only get 3 useful levels (i.e. 8, 9, 10). We an outsider, we might as well assume that you mean 1, 5, 10, where 8 maps to 1, and so on. With 5.5 as my average, I utilize the entire 1-10 scale. My list is much more informative.Considering anime is entertainment, we should be wanting to watch shows that entertain us more than the opposite. If you love anime so much that you rate everything a 10, I'm going to assume all your 10s are actually 5's -- the average -- by definition of the normal distribution. That's what average colloquially means -- the score most get. In the case of all 10s, 10 is average. So I don't think you truly love anything, or at least that's what your list would communicate as a consequence of that rating system. That's all fine and dandy, but your score doesn't exist in a vacuum. This isn't Katsucats' professional anime review site. This is MAL. You are using the 1-10 provided by MAL. Your score you give a show goes into the pool with everyone else's. You can sit there and say a 5/10 means the show is average for you all you want. But the fact of the matter is, when you give a score of 5 to show X that has a score of 7/10, you are rating it below average. You are the outlier. The majority of the people don't consider a 5 the same as you consider a 5. You can go to metacritic, and a game that has a score of 50/100 isn't considered average. A movie on rottentomatoes with a 50 is considered rotten. This is how the real world works, this is how scores work everywhere. Again, score how you want, but accept that it is not normal. |
Saku_k said: You are conflating two different kinds of average. There's the rating system average, and there's the site average. The rating system is 1-10, so the normal distribution average should be close to 5.5. The site average obviously takes into account all of the users. One should never rate according to the site average. It spoils the usefulness of the site average. It is an appeal to popularity. It reverses cause and effect. If it is understood that the rating system average is 5.5, then the site average has a relative context. For example, if a show has a site average of 7, then we can say that it's a good show. If Joe Schmoe then wanders along and feels like a smart ass, and he starts interpreting the site average of 7 as the rating system average, and he thinks it's a pretty good show, so he gives it an 8.5, he fucked up the site average. Because really, 5.5 is average, and 7 is good; not 7 is average, and 8.5 is good.katsucats said: Okay, I must respond to this travesty. School grades are tied to empirical observations: a single student understands and tests well on a certain percentage of the material. Over time, school administrations have learned how to adjust difficulty to target a certain mean, and that's why they call that "average", whether it's C or B. What they mean is that's the target average. Why do they target 70%-80% as opposed to 50%? It's called grade inflation, to quell parent outrage and so on. Anime rating, on the other hand, is not tied to any empirical observation, because the individual system is completely subjective. You don't take a quiz and get some score. After the same experience, it's up to you whether you want to rate it a 1 or a 10, based on your own standard. In fact, by definition, under such a system, 5.5 is the real average based on the normal distribution. No matter how you rate, even if you only use 8-10, we can interpret your ratings by adjusting your bias (e.g. mean) and range (e.g. variance) back to normal distribution, so we can fairly compare to other ratings, if we wanted. Yes, that's the average score overall, possibly because the average user, like you, abuses the rating system, purposefully decreasing the granularity and usefulness. Using popularity to justify the individual rating is so backwards. What you want is have each individual rate correctly so you can obtain a useful average. The average is built from individual scores. When individuals are influenced by the average, their scoring is no longer independent, and we get a homoscedastic/non-invertible condition (for you linear algebra/statistics junkies out there). No. If a show is good or bad, you rate it according to your own system that utilizes the entire 1-10 scale. No matter how much you love anime, the shows don't all entertain you the same. If you set your baseline to, say, 8, you suffer clipping, or aliasing, since you only get 3 useful levels (i.e. 8, 9, 10). We an outsider, we might as well assume that you mean 1, 5, 10, where 8 maps to 1, and so on. With 5.5 as my average, I utilize the entire 1-10 scale. My list is much more informative. If you love anime so much that you rate everything a 10, I'm going to assume all your 10s are actually 5's -- the average -- by definition of the normal distribution. That's what average colloquially means -- the score most get. In the case of all 10s, 10 is average. So I don't think you truly love anything, or at least that's what your list would communicate as a consequence of that rating system. That's all fine and dandy, but your score doesn't exist in a vacuum. This isn't Katsucats' professional anime review site. This is MAL. You are using the 1-10 provided by MAL. Your score you give a show goes into the pool with everyone else's. You can sit there and say a 5/10 means the show is average for you all you want. But the fact of the matter is, when you give a score of 5 to show X that has a score of 7/10, you are rating it below average. You are the outlier. The majority of the people don't consider a 5 the same as you consider a 5. You can go to metacritic, and a game that has a score of 50/100 isn't considered average. A movie on rottentomatoes with a 50 is considered rotten. This is how the real world works, this is how scores work everywhere. Again, score how you want, but accept that it is not normal. In summary, yes, 5/10 is a site outlier for a 7/10 show, but it's the median rating of the 1-10 rating system, which should also be the mean rating if you want to maximize variance and use the entire scale. If your mean skews too much positively, then ironically I'm going to interpret you as being more negative, because that tells me you, for example, want to spend 7 ratings on negative granularity, and only 3 expressing the positive. P.S. It's an extremely odd conclusion to assume that if a show is rated 7/10, it must mean that the people of the site think 7 is average. By that logic, every show must be average. In reality, some shows are good or bad, and the individual rating is not a function of the site average -- it's the other way around. Except in school -- we call that a curve. |
katsucatsJun 24, 2019 11:57 PM
| My subjective reviews: katsureview.wordpress.com THE CHAT CLUB. |
| Because I come online to get self-validation and confirmation for my opinions. I do not want low scoring elitists hating on my favorite battle shounen, CGDCT, ecchi harem or school romance. And honestly low scores are a low-iq brainlet move. People talk about using the "full scale" of scores and a better distribution, but this is bollocks. In school C(7/10) is average. And even this is for dummies. Most people get B's and A's so the average score should be a 8 or a 9. If you give scores lower than a 5 you might be either stupid or an elitist. Often times they're interchangeable. |
Tebls said: You're trolling, but in school, the score is how much material someone understands in a course, not how a student rates compared to another student. People are confusing absolutes and relatives. An absolute in anime rating is arbitrary because ratings are completely subjective. An 8 on your list doesn't mean shit to anyone but yourself if it was the only show rated. It only makes sense in context when compared to other shows. Therefore, the rating is the quality of a show relative to other shows. People talk about using the "full scale" of scores and a better distribution, but this is bollocks. In school C(7/10) is average. And even this is for dummies. If a student gets 80 questions right out of 100, then he gets an 80%. If another student gets 80 right out of 100, he also gets 80%. The teacher doesn't rate student A better than student B because he likes A better. If you only seen 1 anime and you rate it 8/10 based off some subjective feeling, it has no descriptive power whatsoever. If you rate another show 8/10, all we can surmise is that you like both shows relatively equally. Because it's not tied to any objective measure. The average grade in schools is dependent on what the school wants its image to be. It's a political gimmick. The fact that most people on MAL doesn't seem to understand this is, I guess, a pitiful indication of the state of our schools. Or maybe anime just makes people stupid.  |
| My subjective reviews: katsureview.wordpress.com THE CHAT CLUB. |
| People criticize those with a high mean score too(like me) for no reason. They find it impossible to believe that some actually enjoy anime that much to give a high rating to most of the anime they watch |
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naens said: It's the first piece of information I look at, especially for friend invites. It means that this person uses a full 1-10 range approach and has a Gaussian distribution over it. Just like everything man-made, the typical anime is mediocre. And the 5-ish to 6-ish average means that the person agrees with this assesment.I think the mean score shouldn't be visible / shown. It's a completely useless piece of information. |
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