What anime has the most plot holes?

SuperRed said:
Numerically speaking probably a long running shounen with a bad reputation like Bleach, Naruto Shippuden or Fairy Tail.

CodeBlazeFate said:
For honest answers of what I've seen:
1st Place: Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei
2nd Place: The Asterisk War
3rd Place: Hand Shakers
4th Place: Gundam 00 Second Season
5th Place: Psycho-Pass 2

Honorable mentions: Fate/Grand Order: First Order, Big Order (dropped it so I couldn't see the true glory), Gundam SEED Destiny, Re:Zero, Phantasy Star Online 2 The Abimation.

RottedRabbit said:
As the title says, I'm curious what series you guys have watched has the most plot holes?

Oxalias said:


I understand fair tale and sao but I don't remember code geass's plot holes, or mirai nikki? Just point out the big ones

-Mahesvara said:
What plot holes from Mahouka? Its a flawed adaption, but I don't recall plot holes being an issue really.

Takuan_Soho said:


Ah, you assume that most people know what a "plot hole" is, it is often a replacement for "I don't get it."

CodeBlazeFate is an example:

"Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei" has no plot holes. Yes Tetsuya is OP beyond belief, but this is not a plot hole. Tetsuya is Shiva, to be able to destroy all, heal all, is not a plot hole, it is an essential part of the plot.

CodeBlazeFate said:


•Tatsuya building the power of flight in the span of an afternoon. It's one of the biggest examples of Mary Sue Plot Convenience I've ever seen.

•If Tatsuya's emotions are permanently sealed tightly, how come he displayed blatant anger twice?

•How does he still repair a sniper shot through the heart. If that is something that's meant to insta-kill him, should he be able to recover from that? Then again, that whole power is more Mary Sue BS because he isn't the intimate Mary Sue already.

•He's inept at magic, right? Then how come he used CADs flawlessly when they require magic?

Honestly, I've forgotten a lot of them due to there being a distressing amount. Other ones that are not plot holes are mainly just deus ex machinas, leaving plot points in the air, or other signs of incompetent writing, which the adaptation is full of.

Paul said:
What? No mentions of Guity Crown? Pretty sure that beats most of what's been mentioned.

Scarlett_ryuken said:
the generic aswer
-sao
-mirai nikki

the triggering answer
-fairy tail
-code geass

SuperRed said:
Numerically speaking probably a long running shounen with a bad reputation like Bleach, Naruto Shippuden or Fairy Tail.

Deknijff said:
pretty sure everyone is just going to say a show to trigger people or something they don't like
so here is mine for the second one
https://myanimelist.net/anime/9756/Mahou_Shoujo_Madoka_Magica

-Mahesvara said:
Its said that has been something he's been working on for years. The timing was convenient, but it wasn't something done in one night.
His strong emotions were erased, not sealed. The only strong emotions he has left are his emotions towards his sister, which if her well-being is involved, he can seriously get angry and its not like he can't get upset if something happens to his friends as well.
Before that happened, he fixed himself using that ability twice(the battle against Masaki and his sisters surprise attack in the first few episodes). Plus Miyuki explained that ability towards the end of the series after Tatsuya saved two of their friends from their injuries. The ability is called Regrowth and it takes a copy of a persons or objects information from up to 24 hours into the past and uses it to replace the current informational state of said person or object and this happens instantaneously, so basically he can heal just about any injury in an instant.
He acquires high level CADs that are finely adjusted, in order get the most out of his magic abilities. If you remember during the 2nd arc, Masaki and George were commenting that his spells weren't very strong aside from his Gram Demolition and that's due to the competition's CADs, which aren't exactly top tier CADs, which his Military compatriots also make note, while watching his matches. He's considered inept, because his technical skills are low, which means he struggles with preforming complex spells that uses multitude of processes. He mentions early on in the anime to Mizuki, that his calculation limit is 5 processes, which is good for most simple combat magic.

Keep it going, this is fun actually.

Tarotist said:
I haven't read the Manga, but when it comes to Anime, I'm going to say Tokyo Ghoul Root A because WTF?

BlazeSoulReaperX said:
Kakumeiki Valvrave season 2 so many at the end

Pullman said:
I'm not one of those viewers who watch anime with the sole purpose of cataloguing every flaw, listing every 'plothole' I see. Those people are toxic, as is this thread for encouraging those people :/.

OppaiSugoi said:
Obligatory SAO plot armor for kirito-kun.

CodeBlazeFate said:
When did he say he was working on flight for years, again? I never Neco netted thet dialogue.

Love is not just some emotion like anger or happiness. It's much more complicated and different than that, and it produces other emotions like happiness, but is not an emotion in and of itself. Besides, if all of his strong emotions are erased, the how come he can still feel immense anger? At least, going based off the anime alone?

So, two vintage and rarely used CADs thet he got in episode 3 are some of the finest around? Finer than possibly a lot of what everyone else has?

I guess thet explains it. Maybe it falls under Mary Sue moment rather than plothole moment, but it's had writing nonetheless, not just because Mary Sue moment, but also since it took him less than 2 seconds to do all of that with a sniper wound to the heart and it took him longer to recover from an attack from Miyuki in episode 4 (if I'm remembering the number correctly).

HamburgerSpike said:

Im also not one of those people but I think people dismissing that plotholes in their favoritew shows exist are even worse as they are hurting the industry by accepting lower quality scripts. I dont care much whether someone shits on my show or not but I do care about not lowering standards.

Askorti said:


Obligatorily I would like to ask you to elaborate.




Flight magic was something researched in general in that universe for a long time. All that Tatsuya really did was resolve a "small" issue and that allowed preexisting methods to actually work. He didn't invent the whole magic from scratch. Also, there already was flight magic, but it used ancient magic as opposed to modern magic.

Tatsuya has almost all strong emotions sealed, yes, but he can still exhibit them if they're connected to Miyuki. It's explained as his "feelings as an older brother" at work. So he has a strong familiar love for her, and if you endanger her, he will get pissed. Basically, as long as something doesn't concern Miyuki in any way, he won't care much. But the moment you pose even a slightest bit of danger to his sister or even her convenience, all bets are off.

When it comes to Tatsuya's magic, it's not that he can't do it. He can, but he is slow doing it in the conventional way. It's not explained very well in the anime, but it's basically something like he's slow at regular magic, which works by applying complicated calculations to cause phenomenons. Tatsuya instead uses pure force of psions(something like mana) of which he has a lot to cause intended effects. It is often compared to a brute force approach in the novels. Also, there are BS magicians (born specialized) who are good at one type of magic, but bad at others and who posses special abilities at the cost of other, more regular ones. Tatsuya is such a magician.

And when it comes to his recovery. When he was shot by the sniper, he had to recover quickly to dispatch him. When Miyuki incapacitated him, he could take his time and do it at his leisure. Makes perfect sense to me.

Prince said:
Cross Ange had bulletproof frying pans. That's something.

CodeBlazeFate said:
The adaptation has a bunch.

•Tatsuya building the power of flight in the span of an afternoon. It's one of the biggest examples of Mary Sue Plot Convenience I've ever seen.
•If Tatsuya's emotions are permanently sealed tightly, how come he displayed blatant anger twice?
•How does he still repair a sniper shot through the heart. If that is something that's meant to insta-kill him, should he be able to recover from that? Then again, that whole power is more Mary Sue BS because he isn't the intimate Mary Sue already.
•He's inept at magic, right? Then how come he used CADs flawlessly when they require magic?
Honestly, I've forgotten a lot of them due to there being a distressing amount. Other ones that are not plot holes are mainly just deus ex machinas, leaving plot points in the air, or other signs of incompetent writing, which the adaptation is full of.

CodeBlazeFate said:
So, two vintage and rarely used CADs thet he got in episode 3 are some of the finest around? Finer than possibly a lot of what everyone else has?

CodeBlazeFate said:
Too bad they never framed it that way. They merely said "only thing left is love for Miyuki" but he clearly displays anger. In that same episode, Miyuki was jnno danher and he was frequently insulted. Sure, Miyuki wasn't happy, by it seemed as if he got angry at the fact that he insulted him in her face when she didn't wanttirsther than any older protective brother love. Even still, love isn't an emotion, which shuts down their logic. If they said "the only time he can unleash emotions is if they're directly related to Miyuki's well being" then that would be different, since it's how that would be logical and how people choose to view it, but the series doesn't.

CodeBlazeFate said:
There wasn't flight magic before, st least not successful ones. Besides, given that he only decided to study it and fix it for that one day, it means that he checked over all of the nuances and then fixed everything in the span of a few hours. That simply can't work, at least interesting way of a good protagonist. It should take a long while for anyone to get.

Too bad they never framed it that way. They merely said "only thing left is love for Miyuki" but he clearly displays anger. In that same episode, Miyuki was jnno danher and he was frequently insulted. Sure, Miyuki wasn't happy, by it seemed as if he got angry at the fact that he insulted him in her face when she didn't wanttirsther than any older protective brother love. Even still, love isn't an emotion, which shuts down their logic. If they said "the only time he can unleash emotions is if they're directly related to Miyuki's well being" then that would be different, since it's how that would be logical and how people choose to view it, but the series doesn't.

I guess you make a good case here.

Urgency matters not in this situation since...both are extremely urgent as he was heavily wounded. The time should at least be consistent. Hell, the time it took him to be healed in episode 18 is somewhere in between the two, but urgency of the situation doesn't explain it sense all 3 situations were urgent to his well being.

Self-Restoration is Tatsuya's unique ability to restore his own body to its original state when an abnormality/injury occurs. His personal Restoration ability automatically completes the repair processes in the blink of an eye, although he can deliberately suppress the activation. It has been said that, "the speed of his Self-Restoration ability has long since surpassed the realms of human cognition speeds," and not even Kudou Retsu was able to notice it.

flannan said:

The school in Hidan no Aria routinely bulletproofs everything. This might seem like a waste of money, until the heroine takes cover in a bulletproof vaulting horse and fights off evil segways armed with SMGs.
Also, frying pans are quite tough naturally.


* I think Tatsuya was shown finally making a breakthough in flight before the competition. That's plot convenience, not a plot hole.
* Whoever sealed away Tatsuya's emotions (I think it was his aunt), they deliberately left his emotions for his little sister, so that he can be controlled.
* Tatsuya is good at magic, in all ways that are not measured by standard tests. He has a huge psion count (which used to be a big deal before CADs gave everybody as many psions as they need), has a powerful unusual magic, is experienced in warfare, and is really good in magical theory and technology.


The pistol-type CADs Tatsuya uses are not vintage. They are brand-name. Made by a famous, enigmatic and expensive maker that is himself. Because he is really good in magical theory and technology.
He does not do anything particularly impressive with the two old bracelet-type CADs he got as a part of morals committee.
The rifle-type CAD he uses in the finale is a specialized top-secret military weapon. Which he probably designed himself too.


At some point (I do not remember if it was anime or the novel) it was explained that Tatsuya does have emotions, but they are all very low-key. Like, he can be mildly annoyed, but cannot lash out in anger.
(Except for Miyuki-related emotions, which are strong enough to cause cold anger and allow him to disintegrate people)

HamburgerSpike said:
@Pullman Well, yea I agree this term is too vague or used in a way too broad sense. I thought more of subsections of it and/or the straight out of the book definition. I almost never use it seriously, only to criticize a show in the shortest way possible and/or trigger some fanboys taking everything personally.
I edited my post btw

lol @ the guys discussing whether Mahouka contains something or it doesnt, just let it die already, although it could be me some other day.

HamburgerSpike said:
@Pullman Well, yea I agree this term is too vague or used in a way too broad sense. I thought more of subsections of it and/or the straight out of the book definition. I almost never use it seriously, only to criticize a show in the shortest way possible and/or trigger some fanboys taking everything personally.
I edited my post btw

lol @ the guys discussing whether Mahouka contains something or it doesnt, just let it die already, although it could be me some other day.

CodeBlazeFate said:
Yeah, it's during me out, too. I shouldn't even be wasting my time takinbabout such a crap show that doesn't even remotely try to entertain. Got bigger, fuglier fish to fry (Hand Shakers).