Steins;Gate: Fuka Ryouiki no Déjà vu Episode 1 Discussion
Dec 16, 2013 10:59 PM
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Why would she build the time machine in the future again? If the movie is really constantly in the same world line, she now has no reason to do it.
Well, the only solution that I see here- or at least, the only solution that doesn't change timelines- is that Kurisu grew up (in a world where Okabe exists) knowing she has to build the time machine someday, and then when the time came, she simply sent Amane back to past to lie to her young self, so that her young self would save Okabe.
Ohhh! Was confused about this part the entire time, but this simple solution makes so much sense now. Thank you good sir, now I can finally stop reading these walls of texts and thinking up messed up theories.
Thanks as well.
ps : she should just have had sex with him the night before he disapeared. Honestly it was just the easiest way ...
And this. Perfect.
As for those picking up on the lack of real life scientific sense...remember you're watching anime, and the whole thing in this one started with sending bananas to the past through a fucking microwave oven, which turned some into green jelly thing.
Just like any other fiction world (anime or not) it has its own sets of rules.
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Dec 17, 2013 12:12 AM
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But the series is trying to be realistic, and does a pretty damn good job, for the most part. So at least come up with an explanation for this that's realistic.
I don't want to ruin the fun, but this movie uses the "IT'S MAAAAGIIIC~!" card way too often. I mean come on, Okabe disappears (lolol) because of the the side effects of his previous time travellings? What is the point of this, anyway? Okay, a plot device to have a story, but could you swallow that part so easily? Because I can't.
The science part of the series was done right. It had its own questionable contents, but it gave believable(!) explanations; we got scenes where the characters were trying to understand the mechanism of the phonemicro and the time-leap machine for more details. And what did we get in this movie? Lackluster explanations, countless asspulls and deus-ex-machinas.
As for SwitfKilla: Sorry, but your post is smelling like a fantheory, rather than an actual, yet authentic explanation.
Yes it's a fantheory, backing up the logic the series puts in for us. I'll put in a detailed response. Give me a bit of time.
Dec 17, 2013 12:17 AM
Dec 17, 2013 12:38 AM
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As we all know, the movie is set in the Divergence Number 1.048596. For this response, I'd like to refrain from using the term "Steins;Gate" world line. I'll address the world line the movie takes in place as it's respective Divergence Number.
The two different scenes displays a younger and the Kurisu we know. The Kurisu we know is trying to implant a powerful memory into younger Okabe's mind in order for him to recognize the world line 1.048596. The scene where we have a younger Kurisu is the world line where Okabe never had instability with his Reading Steiner after his journey through the Beta and Alpha world lines. This is also the world line where a time machine has never been built. Now. World line 1.048596 is still part of the world lines between 1-1.999999%. There are two predetermined events in the Beta world lines. The scene with the 18 year old Makise Kurisu is her change to the course of events, her and Okabe's reading Steiner recognizes the changes and thus they shift to a different world line outside the Beta Attractor Field.
1. Okabe Rintarou seeing Makise Kurisu lying in a pool of blood.
2. In 2036 a time machine has been built.
World line 1.048596 is not an exception to this, thus it is bound by the attractor field of the beta World Lines.
The different scene displaying a younger Kurisu is the memory the Okabe Rintarou from a world line 4% and beyond remembers. It has to be 4% or beyond due to the fact that the Visual Novel has displayed World lines from 0-3.999999%. An 18 year old Makise Kurisu in the year 2005 is an abnormality. She is not 18 years old in the year 2005. The world line 4% and beyond is a world line where a time machine has not been built in the year 2036. If Kurisu came back to the exact same world line, it wouldn't make sense. So Okabe and Kurisu had to shift to another world line where it makes sense. 18 year old Kurisu is an abnormality, so the world line has to reestablish the events in order to make sense, because a time machine has never been built in these strings of world lines. Thus they made it so that a younger Makise Kurisu replaces the 18 year old Makise Kurisu or it wouldn't make sense.
This is why it has to be a divergence number 4% beyond. A series of world lines where Makise Kurisu and Shiina Mayuri don't die in the year 2010 and Okabe Rintarou never experiences instability that causes his disappearance from the world line.
Modified by SwiftKilla, Dec 17, 2013 12:43 AM
Dec 17, 2013 3:37 AM
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This movie too managed to make me tear up quite often, but ultimately it can't compare to the main series (which deserved a 10/10 score). If I were to really think about its purpose, I'd quickly come to realize that there barely was one other than earning more money. But let's not go there...
The release of atomic energy has not created a new problem. It has merely made more urgent the necessity of solving an existing one. - Albert Einstein
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Dec 17, 2013 1:07 PM
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I JUST WANT THEM TO END UP TOGETHER AND HAVE LOTS OF BABIES !!!!!! sorry i had to vent....i've had that on my chest for the last 2 years....the story was great but it should have lasted at least another 30-45 mins i want to see them happy together as boyfriend and girlfriend!!!
i know i'm asking too much but they have one of the most beautiful romantic stories...okabe fought until basically disappearing so that makise and mayuri could live...and now makise returns the favour so that he can live...they are meant to be together and i just wanted to see it happen a little more i guess
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Something about this movie felt... off... Maybe it was just my insanely high expectations for the sequel to quite possible my favourite anime ever.
It was really good, a solid 8 or 9 out of 10. But it just didn't give me the same feeling I got when I watched the series for the first time.
Hmmmm... Maybe I'm just blinded by nostalgia.
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Dec 19, 2013 5:59 AM
Wow.. just wow. This is fucking awesome. I am not good with words, but definitely this movie can't be describe by mere words. The plot is awesome, no fucking plot holes, and above all: a better closure than the original series.
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They definitely managed to create a solid film here that is more romantically orientated in certain ways and the overlaying plot adds a nice epilogue onto the end of the story.
But, Steins;Gate also has the all important time travel concept and I think the viability, that is not being a total contradiction has been shot with holes in this film. You sit there and interpret the S;G world line, the cause and effect of that so called anchor they were trying to create in Okabe's memories and the problem is, there are parts left to interpretation that really ought to not have been left to speculation. My memory of how the S;G world line works was somewhat in the rough when I watched but Okabe disappearing and returning, which is the main premise, is explained in a rather bending the rules manner that fulfills the purpose of the plot but not much more.
Overall, the problems that do exist didn't quite explode to me as "wtf is going on" but rather I felt that the science was perhaps less thoroughly thought out.
I think where this film is strong and weak is clear. A more character driven plot between Kurisu and Okabe is done strongly from start to end, and the final result is satisfying and conclusive end. On the other hand, the science seems to have take a bit more of a back seat which is somewhat of a shame since Steins;Gate universe has one of the most intriguing, thought-provoking, and substantiated premises I have seen yet.
In the end, I felt like something wasn't quite there but my enjoyability won out and it was a worthwhile excuse to witness the world of Steins;Gate once again.
Dec 22, 2013 7:11 AM
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Denying many logic's established in TV Series ruined it as superior S-F series it was, but that was still great romance, so I think it's solid 8/10.
Also, what is this shot? :d
I pefer to assume, that they had sex on the desert after OVA, and this is yet another parallel universe, where universe laws of cause and effects work different, so anything is fine there, and plot holes don't exist anymore :dddd
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Dec 23, 2013 6:17 AM
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I don't understand this part: why kurisu looks younger on train stop when talking with young okabe?
is it just metaphor or what?
could someone give me explanation about this ._.
Dec 23, 2013 9:32 AM
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really at first I must say SHAME ON YOU anime watchers who watched this movie AND COULDN'T UNDERSTAND IT !
what the hell you want more sci-fi when it's all settled??!! only thing that was left is feelings. if they added more sci-fi it will be too much too borring and without meaning.
THIS MOVIE WAS PERFECT !
saying that what was done in the series it must take price, and the price was Okabe as the main key to all those doings from the start, and Makise - brain responsible for the 1st d-mail and WWIII stopping in series, also person with mush resolve and who understood Okabe the most through the whole series.
also you want more clear description of Steins;gate and replacing Okabe and r line.?? O.o wtf are you saying?? XDD you after watching this series and anime didn't get the point of it?
how the hell you want it explained to details if science can't do that eighter. people can't describe it it can't be clearly presented to you.
it's like you said: explain me how black hole looks when you are sucked inside of it?
no one was there how it could be explained to you. it can be just prediction or thoughts made of research and conclusions.
it's unexpected, fierce and dangerous. time leap, changing world lines etc, one thing that's obvious that if it's messed that much it needs price of replacing or 'deleting' the cause of all that to be able to keep all of the others in the main line of reality they exist.
BUT one thing is if those feelings and memories are strong enough so they keep bringing the person who was decided to be deleted from the existance.
if those feelings are strong enough they can just recreate person. and especially if you time leap like Suzu did with Makise to help returing Okabe.
it's sci-fi movie after all, you don't need to get all clear answers.
it was great, and I a glad they put more feelings in this movie also with sci-fi and suspense and that thril, but it sure was perfect.
finally they figured out emotions and worlds and hat's important to keep yourself in reality you live.
and I like how they described DEJA VU effect (I long time by myself thought that deja vu must be some kind of me who leaped time O.o absurd, but after aching this series they just like put my theory in it lol ^^)
also this movie isn't repeating the same like series like most movies doo, it's borring and you can't catch feells it will be always like unfinished, with this movie they greatly made onderful story till the end, like sci-fi must be !
like East of the eden movies also, which was my no 1. place in sci-fi anime, and now it's Steins;Gate ^_^
wonderful ending !
and I am sooo glad for all of them :))))
PERFECT MOVIE !
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Dec 23, 2013 12:36 PM
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That was a good film. I expected it to be far bigger/better then anime like the Haruhi movie and Battle of Gods but I found it was on the same level. Kind of like more episodes instead of a big movie. I liked that it was focused on Kurisu this time around though and the shower scene was a um...nice touch.
I feel that this movie was a little unnecessary to the series but I still enjoyed it.
Dec 23, 2013 7:27 PM
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Dec 24, 2013 6:26 AM
MOVIE EXPLANATION HERE, even if you think you understand maybe you missed something. hell, maybe i did too. tell me!
its pretty hard to understand but if you look at the scene where kurisu talks to young okabe she changes clothes mid scene. This is because at first its showing the kurisu in other world lines just talking to him. BUT in this world line in order to make it unique kurisu kisses him. Thats why her clothes change. before it shows other world lines (pink jacket). this world line its her usual clothes. To balance the world line Kurisu needed to do something unique, she kissed him.
Why did this not change worldline though? Didn't understand at first. BUT I GOT IT.
Basically after the kiss it shows okabe sitting on the street with his phone. The phone becomes clearer as he enters the steins gate world line again. Kurisu on the phone says "I will now give you an overview of operation norn" right before kurisu in real life says "what are you looking at pervert?"
In the steins gate worldline kurisu from the future had already kissed okabe from the past. THIS NEEDS to happen for okabe to stay in the world line so kurisu from the future sends okabe a message from the future about what to tell the kurisu of the present.
THIS IS why okabe tells her to forget, BUT kisses her to give her a hint that she can do somethng. Future kurisu told him how to save himself and what to tell younger kurisu.
THis is why he tells her to forget, but kisses her so that she remembers. This is what "operation norn" is for. This is also why daru's daughter says that future kurisu said younger kurisu would know what to do.
I had a lot of questions and this explanation seems to make the most sense.
Dec 24, 2013 12:34 PM