Movies that dont deserve the hate

Nithirel said:
Interstellar. Way too many people think they're the next Neil deGrasse Tyson with their constant need of pointing out every little "unscientific" part of a sci-fi movie.

DrGeroCreation said:
Batman vs Superman and Justice League are not bad movies.

The Martha scene helped Superman and Batman to bond, the movie had a great soundtrack and great street level action (Batman vs thugs).

Justice League was as good as the first Avengers movie. The only problems were Superman stealing the spot light and the less serious approach the movie took.

Big_Floppa_ said:
Overrated but mediocre: The dark knight trilogy, the godfather 1 and 2, Hitchcock movies, avenger endgame and infinity wars, popular animated movies

Overrated trash: apocalypse now, no country for old men, alien, aliens, die hard, gladiator, se7en, the usual suspects, lawrence of arabia, taxi driver etc

Preachee said:

I'm in for no shit, this is literally the best answer anyone could've ever given, not because I agree (I actually disagree for the most part), but because someone for once is bold enough to not bullshit around with the word "overrated" and actually go in with a bang.

But let's not get too content with ourselves there. Claiming that The Godfather is mediocre is equivalent to digging a giant hole for yourself, and of course I'll ask you why. I guess no one cares about Marvel movies so no need to delve into that. "Hitchcock movies" might be a bit of a stretch even for a generalization, I'd say he's more of an inconsistent director, but I still can't deny there's an apparent thread of genius throughout even his worst movies (and trust me, I loathe his worst films). So I might need you to explain yourself on that one as well.

Also, depending on how you define "trash", there might be a lot of questions raised from what you'd listed. And hey, I enjoy inquiring people on these kinds of things. You boldly publicly posted this and I respect that, so now it's time for you to defend yourself.

Big_Floppa_ said:


I find arguing pointless. I just posted it with a very small hope that someone with similar taste might find it relatable. Everyone has different opinions ofcourse but many people think their opinion is objectively true including me even if they don't admit it because its pointless to say so on public forums.

Anyway godfather is technically a masterpiece. I respect that movie. The acting, lighting, dialogues, characters, pacing, cinematography, osts etc are perfect. Both the don corleone are among my favourite characters and one of the best acted roles. Michael's Character development is my favourite along with walter white's. However the thing is I didn't find that movie very enjoyable. Its story isn't mindblowing, i didn't find it very thrilling. It just lacked epic/convulated/intense moments for me. Its strange though. My younger brother has an almost identical taste to me but its his favourite movie. I think that some things are respected so much that some people make themselves believe that it is actually good even if they didn't like it much like say the dark knight, merely out of respect.

As for Hitchcock movies I have only seen psycho and rear window. He must be a genius for inventing the thriller genre but i find him very outdated. People keep talking about the shower scene but i find it really silly. The knife doesn't even touch that woman.

As for those i called trash, there are many old action/thrillers like star wars, indiana jones, terminator, alien, die hard etc i find them outdated and worse than cheap action thrillers these days. They might have been cool back then but not anymore.

Then there are boring movies with no special story and no thrill like no country for old men, Lawrence of arabia, taxi driver etc. They say taxi driver is character study except i don't find it interesting or deep. Critics love that movie no country for old men but for me its very existence serves no purposes. Apocalypse now only looks good.

gladiator is boring cliché. Se7en didn't surprise me or made me feel thrilled.

Preachee said:

Oh no, please do not think of this as "arguing" but more as discussing, because it is. As I said, I respect your blunt honesty, it's something that's not often seen nowadays so I really do want to have a genuine discussion that's all.

Interesting opinion, and I don't really have a problem with it. I however disagree that people only love the movie out of sheer respect. I watched The Godfather during my cynical phase, meaning it was when I doubted the greatness of the highly respected movies. I mean, the reputation of The Godfather was so insane that I just had to put it into question. However, as much as I hated myself back then for it, I so predictably fell in love with it. (I guess you didn't find that whole restaurant sequence intense? Man I was sweating like crazy.) I mean, I could name at least 50 of the most beloved movies by critics and/or fans that I dislike or even hate, and yet TG wasn't one of them.

Lol well another interesting take on Psycho. Well I can't be sure about that movie because I watched it a couple of years ago already, but I remember the psychological horror element was quite a treat. It's a great assessment of an unhinged mind. However, I just watched Rear Window, so I remember it very clearly. And funnily enough, it's my favorite Hitchcock's movie. If you want to talk about the movie in-depth, you can tell me, but I doubt you'd be interested. Anyway, that movie is definitely nowhere near outdated. To this day it's still a unique film even, and nothing quite like it has ever been made ever since. A controversial topic matter being presented equally controversially and boldly, and yet ultimately, no matter how questionable, it presents itself both subjectively and objectively to really deliver something that's universally feasible. I know this sounds annoying but it takes a real genius to really actualize these sorts of things.

And yeah, I actually find No Country For Old Men quite meaningless as well. Or not really meaningless as in thematically nonexistent, but rather so philosophically baneful and unlawfully neutral that it just doesn't really cut it for me. The whole thing is so deeply nihilistic, intentionally meaningless (to show the meaninglessness of violence and opposition to fate) and honestly, I just didn't find it interesting, maybe a bit infuriating even (there are some truly thrilling scenes though, I have a hard time thinking you didn't get scared one bit, but hey, similar to TG's restaurant scene, they're both "quietly frightening scenes". I'd imagine it might not work for everyone.). Well I neither liked Gladiator nor Taxi Driver so whatever, idc enough to talk about them really.

Apocalypse Now definitely doesn't just 'look good', but damn this post has already been too long so there you go.

Big_Floppa_ said:


Well this was long.
I am not saying that everyone is pretentious or easily influenced and pretends to like something only out of respect. My younger brother who almost has an identical taste as me, has godfather as his 2nd favourite movie and found the resteraunt scene very intense. I didn't for some reason. I guess I just didn't care much about what is going to happen at that point and i was almost certain he'll pull the trigger. I really respect that movie though. As for part 2 i became attached to Michael's dark character in the last 1 hour and really liked that part as he removes everyone from his life.

Speaking of intense scenes have you seen the good, the bad and the ugly? It my (and my brother's) favourite movie despite the distaste for old movies. The most intense and thrilling scene imo is it's climax (and one scene from room(2015) which you would know if you've seen it). The background music, the unpredictability, the super slow shots had me gripped by the balls. Another scene that had me really tensed was Whiplash's climax. The faster he drummed, the more excited i felt. Sorry to bring stuff up randomly. Even though our affinity and taste is quite different I am still interested in hearing your thoughts about it since its very rare to discuss stuff online for me. Its interesting though, that except for snk and FMAB (and re zero but i understand why someone would hate it especially for the cringe) our score never differs by a number greater than 2 for shared anime.

Again bringing up stuff randomly, speaking of intense scene and anime, the scenes which i found really tense are mostly from AoT and Deathnote. You may not remember it since you don't like it and its very brief but there's this scene in which scouts were waiting for the female titan to show up and some Indian music was playing as the background music. I found it really tense. In Deathnote i found that scene when light manipulates the fbi agent's wife into giving him her name quite tense. However the scene which i find the most tense (in anime) is from jojo part 3 season 2 which you don't seem to have seen. Although the show as a whole isn't that good but there's this episode in which Jotaro plays poker with some villain called darby and it was really freaking tense. Way way better than other jojo episodes.

Well i watched psycho and rear window long ago and don't remember them well so can't say much. They maybe be critically good and well directed.

No country for old man is a really pretentious movie for me. I didn't feel anything watching it. I am interested in the idea of nihilism but that movie just didn't do it for me. Fight club talked about nihilism in some ways and its one of my favourite. People might find it edgy and pretentious but i could understand why the MC felt the way he did. Plus the plot twist and the descent into madness after the plot twist really blew my mind and was really intense and crazy.

Apocalypse now? The movie certainly looked good but i didn't find the characters interesting or the message deep. Maybe its not for me or maybe i wasn't in the mood for watching it idk. There's this beautiful old russian movie called stalker which i found similar to apocalypse now but unlike the former i really liked stalker. There was always something very realistically eerie about it which made me feel somewhat tense and absorbed in the adventure and i found it somewhat sensible at the end. Plus its one of the most gorgeous movies I've ever seen.

WatchTillTandava said:
Oh boy. I have a fair amount. Will only include those from what I've actually seen, as I don't believe that I or anyone can have an opinion with any basis or credibility on a film without having seen it in full.

The Birth of a Nation (1915)
The Passion of the Christ (2004)
Inuyasha the Movie 4: Fire on the Mystic Island (2004)
Reign of Fire (2002)
Treasure Planet (2002)
Alexander (2004)
Lolita (1997)
Under the Skin (2013)
The Beach (2000)
Planet of the Apes remake (2001) - yes, have seen and am also a fan of the original; not the point
Halloween III: Season of the Witch (1982)
A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2 (1985)
Cloud Atlas (2012)
The Devil's Rejects (2005)
The Godfather Part III (1990)
28 Weeks Later (2007)
The Reader (2008)
Lady in the Water (2006)
Pete's Dragon (1977)
Song of the South (1946)
Cannibal Holocaust (1980)
Gothika (2003)
Dreamcatcher (2003)
Mortal Kombat (1995)
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008)
Volcano (1997)
Jupiter Ascending (2015)
Savages (2012)
Phantasm (1979)
The Ninth Gate (1999)
The Lovely Bones (2009)
Vanilla SKy (2001)
Titus (1999)
The Exorcist III (1990)
Dominion: Prequel to the Exorcist (2005)
Tusk (2014)
Maximum Overdrive (1986)
Wishmaster (1997)
Timeline (2003)
The Punisher (2004)
Stigmata (1999)
The Skeleton Key (2005)
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake (2003) - yes, have seen and am also a fan of the original; not the point
Wrong Turn (2003)
The Matrix Revolutions (2003)
Hide and Seek (2005)
Braveheart (1995 - yes, I know in the legacy of award shows and film criticism it's reasonably high-rated and well-regarded, having won Best Picture in its year, but it's rare to hear the film referenced or mentioned anywhere today and in general post-Mel Gibson controversies, without it being trash talked over misplaced concerns of historical inaccuracy)
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (2004)
The Forgotten (2004)
Hannibal (2001)
Firewall (2006)
Godzilla remake (1998)
September Dawn (2007)
In the Mouth of Madness (1994)
Lake Placid (1999)
Poison Ivy (1992)
Kalifornia (1993)
The Black Dahlia (2006)
Miracle at St. Anna (2008)
Pulgasari (1985)
The Cell (2000)
Brokedown Palace (1999)
Dune (1984)
Kuronezumi/Black Rat (2010)
Humanoids From the Deep (1980)
The Fly II (1989)
Please Stand By (2017)
The Funhouse (1981)
Hellbound: Hellraiser II (1988)
Futureworld (1976)
Annihilation (2018)
Species (1995)
Congo (1995)
Iceman (1984)
Pumpkinhead (1988)
Primer (2004)
Hounddog (2007)

Suffice it to say most of the complains thrown at them are either criticisms of issues like pacing or directorial choices or nitpicking trivialities in writing which I just don't see as a big deal or in any significant way, if it all, detracting from the film in question. Or opposition to certain titles for more politically-motivated, ideological reasons I disagree with.

monkeybrain14 said:
Frozen 2 is really not that bad

MegaStride said:
Endgame wasn’t that good, Infinity War was a lot better. You have good tastes.

New Star Wars movies are bad (and the old ones aren’t that much better).