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Sep 12, 2014 7:28 PM

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Kellhus said:
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I think I'm feeling what he means, in a way. Part one/two felt like they were being very creative with a single concept

It's puzzling to me that you would consider PB/BT to be "very creative". PB/BT is straight copypasta of other stuff that was going on at the time (or prior), but managed to rise above that overall due to Araki being gifted with fight choreography and character design/interaction. Stands are what sets Jojo apart.

For the record I wasn't saying which part is better or whatever. Mileage varies with this stuff and that's all good. Was just saying that the "it's not creative" thing holds no weight.


They should read/watch Hokuto no Ken before commenting about Jojo part 1 and 2 xD
Sep 12, 2014 7:29 PM

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I cant find the sub anywhere. Is it out yet?
Sep 12, 2014 8:27 PM
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Kellhus said:
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I think I'm feeling what he means, in a way. Part one/two felt like they were being very creative with a single concept

It's puzzling to me that you would consider PB/BT to be "very creative". PB/BT is straight copypasta of other stuff that was going on at the time (or prior), but managed to rise above that overall due to Araki being gifted with fight choreography and character design/interaction. Stands are what sets Jojo apart.

For the record I wasn't saying which part is better or whatever. Mileage varies with this stuff and that's all good. Was just saying that the "it's not creative" thing holds no weight.
And why are Stands new? Just because they came out in the 1990s? Please, superpowers are as old as civilization itself. Don't try to pull that nonsense on me. Stands are like any other poorly explained superpower. The author needed an excuse to make weird superpowers, and his terrible excuse is Stands. So no, you can't argue that Stands are creative and what set Jojo apart. There's other MORE important things that separate Jojo from other series.

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure first and foremost is known to be a "fabulous" series. Why exactly is that so? Because of the characters, art style, and straight faced over the top execution. Part 3's characters however are bland and overall uninteresting, which makes being over the top a lot less impactful when the author evidently couldn't really decide how to seriously define his main characters.

Just for the record, there is absolutely no such thing as a creative story premise. So blaming a story premise like PB and BT for being similar to other things isn't really relevant, when FRANKLY, EVERY THING THAT WAS EVER WRITTEN ALREADY EXISTED SOMEWHERE. Creativity comes down to the execution, and the work put into making the viewer feel legitimacy and thoughtfulness from the creation. Both PB and BT are very well written AND creative, in creating compelling characters who can be over the top simultaneously with a story that isn't just simply bizarre, but also coherent.

The problem with Stardust Crusaders is effectively 90% of the story is Monster of the Week fluff and basically tells you almost nothing about the main characters. What do Stands do for the series? They're just superpowers. But the story itself is overly simplistic, mostly predictable, and just feeds you random information that doesn't even remain relevant most of the time. It's not seriously creative. It just feels like it probably could have been written very quickly.
Sep 12, 2014 8:48 PM

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The problem with Stardust Crusaders is effectively 90% of the story is Monster of the Week fluff and basically tells you almost nothing about the main characters. What do Stands do for the series? They're just superpowers. But the story itself is overly simplistic, mostly predictable, and just feeds you random information that doesn't even remain relevant most of the time. It's not seriously creative. It just feels like it probably could have been written very quickly.


As someone who quite enjoys Stardust Crusaders, even I can admit that this is a weakness.

24 episodes in, DIO has done nothing to really establish himself as a main villain like he did in Phantom Blood, which really seems to be setting him up to be pushed into the Monster of the Week role as well.

Additionally, aside from Polnareff, the characters' pasts are never really delved into. We don't get a lot of information about Kakyoin, for instance. How do his parents feel about him traveling to Egypt to kill a vampire? Did they even notice their son was acting weird when they returned from there last time? And so on. Made even worse is the fact that we get even less insight into Jotaro. The best idea of his character we have upon their arrival to Egypt is that he's a really stoic guy who likes Columbo and beating the daylights out of people who piss him off.

On the topic of Stands, I have to admit that I'm a sucker for these. However, I can also admit that that's primarily because I know how much better Araki gets at writing them. Stands in Part 3 are very basic, and I can see why someone would be hard on them when Jotaro's Stand just punches, Polnareff's Stand just cuts, Joseph's Stand just grabs things, and Avdol's Stand just shoots fire when it comes to fights. Kakyoin's, I'd say, is the most interesting in terms of utility, but even then it's basic to a lot of what comes later.

In terms of what Stands do for the series, I'd say that they serve to help limit the abilities of characters. If you were to take a look at the things Joseph does with the Ripple in Part 2, you'd see that he develops and loses various abilities as the plot demands, including being able to deflect bullets with hair. I believe Stands were meant to give the characters more consistent powers, though Araki likely wrote himself into a corner with Star Platinum, which is why it just seems to develop the abilities it needs to win fights (I'm looking at YOU, Star Finger).

So, overall, I'd say these are valid complaints. It's true that Stardust Crusaders is quite fun, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone wasn't immediately sold on all of the changes.

That being said, I hope you find Egypt more enjoyable.
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Sep 12, 2014 9:17 PM

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Stands new? Just because they came out in the 1990s? Please, superpowers are as old as civilization itself. Don't try to pull that nonsense on me. Stands are like any other poorly explained superpower. The author needed an excuse to make weird superpowers, and his terrible excuse is Stands. So no, you can't argue that Stands are creative and what set Jojo apart. There's other MORE important things that separate Jojo from other series.

Yes, Stands are new because Araki was the first to do them in this context. It's not nonsense, but your argument sure seems to be. Everything you are saying here could just as easily by applied to parts 1/2. Hamon is surely a more "terrible" excuse for superpowers than the wildly imaginative encounters and designs that Stands bring to the game. Also they came out in the mid-80s, not that the date is especially important.

Most of what you are saying here seems to be driven entirely by opinion as well. Pulling the "nothing is original" card after getting called out doesn't help your case either. Phantom Blood is literally an amalgamation of various popular media at the time, namely Hokuto no Ken and Castlevania. To consider a dude going around punching zombies Kenshiro style more creative than the Stand battles that SC presents is frankly asinine.

I'll also point out that BT handles back-story more or less in the same manner as SC. We know very little about Caesar until his tiny back-story arc, Joseph is presented in the same manner as Jotaro but with a different personality, no development for anyone overall really. No characters throughout the entirety of the PB/BT arcs receive much of any notable or significant character development that is worth contrasting against SC. If anything Polnareff is the most developed character so far so the point is moot anyway. But that's not the focus here and isn't required for it to be entertaining. It's not fine literature, it's about punching people in the face, and Jojo delivers that in spades.
Sep 12, 2014 10:52 PM

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Really looking forward to next season. Part 3 is amazing and I won't hear otherwise :P

I do have a complaint for this episode though. I'm not sure why they thought it would be cool to add a filler scene and then censor is so severely that it was prettymuch just a black screen for 10 whole seconds. That was retarded.
Sep 12, 2014 11:33 PM

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Oh to hear Dio's sweet silky voice, even if it was just a couple lines. MMMMMNNNN I'm gonna miss this so SO DAMN MUCH! At leased the last episode of the year had all the best components of part 3 JoJo; Dio's heart melting voice, a badass ora ora rush, A DUDE WITH A SPEEDWAGON HAT, gratuitous Joseph Joestar Engrish, and most importantly, Polnareff and Kakyoin acting like a couple of weirdos.

Now I just gotta make it to JoJo January....LET'S GO!!!

Sep 12, 2014 11:44 PM

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Was liking this anime until around episode 16. Huge fucking let down overall though, and this season finale was garbage. I have no clue why this anime is so fucking padded out. Honestly wish I knew that going in so I could just watch up to episode 3, and just wait for the Dio fight. 1/5
Sep 12, 2014 11:49 PM

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And so ends the first half with a sneak peek of Iggy...

Overall, I thought the first half was VERY well done. They added some things that made the characters have a bit more to them than in the manga. It's the tiny changes that boost my enjoyable just a tad... and of course the performances of the voice actors.

The animation of course was pretty much top of the line. They took the 2012 anime's animation and boosted the overall artwork and animation and it really shined throughout... and do I even have to mention the soundtrack? I don't think I do.

The pacing was of course somewhat episodic but it did give a bit of insight into cultures around the world and the battles were fought with strategy more than brute force even if the strategies sometimes involved brute force. It has a lot of complexity to it but... I'd lie if I said I'd prefer this over good pacing... They made the pacing too slow for my liking.

The pacing is strictly my ONLY problem with the show though and I hardly noticed it. The characters are just as lovable as how I read them(maybe even more so), They go through slight developments, are fully fleshed out and have remarkable chemistry with each other.

Overall I give this first half a very respectable 8/10 and I cannot wait for January.. arg.. Why did they have to do this to me? ; ;
Sep 13, 2014 12:09 AM

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I'm a bit disappointed that this started to feel like it dragged on a bit but it's still a solid 8/10. Can't wait for the rest.
Sep 13, 2014 12:25 AM

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Well its over. I wasn't sure it would end today, but I think they picked a good place to end it!

As for my overall rating of the show...I'm going to have to give it an 8.5/10. It was doing pretty solid 9 territory, but the last few stands kind of brought it down a bit. I think the best part of the season were the middle episodes with Tower of Grey to The Sun.

I'm pleasantly surprised with this series though. Considering I didn't really like the first two parts very much, and was hesitant to watch SC. I'm glad I did! Its superior in nearly every way. The introduction of Stands gave the series the special push it needed to be fantastic.

Well until January it looks like I'll be...Walking like an Egyptian!
Sep 13, 2014 12:33 AM
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It was pretty good episode. I really liked how Star Platinum broke through the High Priestess' teeth,it was cool. But then it seemed like it dragged a little and it felt a little fillerish(correct me if I am wrong).

I'd rate the first season 7-8/10,it was pretty enjoyable.
Sep 13, 2014 12:42 AM

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Kellhus said:
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Stands new? Just because they came out in the 1990s? Please, superpowers are as old as civilization itself. Don't try to pull that nonsense on me. Stands are like any other poorly explained superpower. The author needed an excuse to make weird superpowers, and his terrible excuse is Stands. So no, you can't argue that Stands are creative and what set Jojo apart. There's other MORE important things that separate Jojo from other series.

Yes, Stands are new because Araki was the first to do them in this context. It's not nonsense, but your argument sure seems to be. Everything you are saying here could just as easily by applied to parts 1/2. Hamon is surely a more "terrible" excuse for superpowers than the wildly imaginative encounters and designs that Stands bring to the game. Also they came out in the mid-80s, not that the date is especially important.

Most of what you are saying here seems to be driven entirely by opinion as well. Pulling the "nothing is original" card after getting called out doesn't help your case either. Phantom Blood is literally an amalgamation of various popular media at the time, namely Hokuto no Ken and Castlevania. To consider a dude going around punching zombies Kenshiro style more creative than the Stand battles that SC presents is frankly asinine.

I'll also point out that BT handles back-story more or less in the same manner as SC. We know very little about Caesar until his tiny back-story arc, Joseph is presented in the same manner as Jotaro but with a different personality, no development for anyone overall really. No characters throughout the entirety of the PB/BT arcs receive much of any notable or significant character development that is worth contrasting against SC. If anything Polnareff is the most developed character so far so the point is moot anyway. But that's not the focus here and isn't required for it to be entertaining. It's not fine literature, it's about punching people in the face, and Jojo delivers that in spades.


I can only agree with everything Kellhus has said in all of his previous posts.
I think the main problem YOU have is that what MAL share with you in general: You irrationally hate episodic storytelling. And sure, Part 3 has a weak plot, nobody ever denied that. But each Stand fight in itself is well-written, tight and cohesive. Just like it was before and really: Hamon is - and I said this in another thread before - simply Chi energy with some electricity sparks and some dude shouting "[Random color + substantive] OVERDRIVE!" at the enemy. It was flamboyant and that is what it made out, surely not the creative approach of the first part (who is basically a carbon copy of HnK) and the second (more creativity here, but still very much a product of its time).

Do Stand have generic superpowers at first? Yes, because well.. everything has to start with the basics first. Nen, devil fruits and some other stuff were also pretty basic at the start. However, Stands literally stand out because of their unique design and approach that was quite new in manga back then in 1990! During the past 25 a lot has changed, including shifting demographics, several crisis and bloom preiods of the industry, etc. It's ignorant to disregard the novelity during its publication based on a warped modern perspective. And if you are familiar with the series you will know that during the next parts Stands will get CRAZY and indeed very bizarre, a small taste of what is about to come will be delivered with SC's second half. And it's not like series made it clear that the story is not the main meat of the story. Jojo is a franchise that changes what it wants to every single Part. Change is the only thing shared by all parts. I mean, Part 4 is a SoL, Part 7 a Western, the entire cast is always replaced and most of the main characters and villians change personalities, goals, etc.!
And as with a lot of episodic shows the overarching plot is sometimes less important than the lessons learned from each encounter. Same for Joseph getting old. A lot of people cannot deal with change and that's ok. But Jojo is full of transition and changes because - and that is actually a confirmed main theme by Araki himself -it is a "celebration of humanity". And humanity has been subjects to changes. Araki wants to portray how people prevail in all kinds of changing circumstances and he combines it with smewhat corny morality, pathos, raw emotion and tight fight choreographies. That's the essence of Jojo to an extent.

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I really don't understand the new fans, some of these comments are just crazy.


In future, if you could be a good sport and play the part of veteran elitist properly, educate the new fans on why their comments are crazy. Shit posting snarky remarks doesn't really help them 'see the light'. Where's the JoJo ardour gone? ;o

Anyway, looking forward to the next installment, I hope this journey was worth it :D


I have just done that, consider yourself enlightened.

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Well its over. I wasn't sure it would end today, but I think they picked a good place to end it!

As for my overall rating of the show...I'm going to have to give it an 8.5/10. It was doing pretty solid 9 territory, but the last few stands kind of brought it down a bit. I think the best part of the season were the middle episodes with Tower of Grey to The Sun.

I'm pleasantly surprised with this series though. Considering I didn't really like the first two parts very much, and was hesitant to watch SC. I'm glad I did! Its superior in nearly every way. The introduction of Stands gave the series the special push it needed to be fantastic.

Well until January it looks like I'll be...Walking like an Egyptian!


Indeed, it is the best break point.
I am also glad that a lot of people seem to have liked The Sun. It was always one of the fights I personally really lvoed but was disregarded as lame filler by a few others.
If I had to pick my high and low points Stand-wise, The Sun would be up there at the top.
And yes, the first SC part has quite a few Stands that people are not fond of like Judgement. Dp managed to bring out the best of them, though.
NidhoeggrSep 13, 2014 12:47 AM
Jojolion anime when?
Sep 13, 2014 1:03 AM

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Solid episode,Kakyoin and Polnareff were hilarious with the hand signs and the ORAORAORA was so good.The thing that I didn't like was the censhorship in the end,but the BD will make up for that/

Well for the series I'll give an 8,I was between 7-8 because of the last episodes,but the overall enjoyement is high.

The hype is real for January!
Sep 13, 2014 1:09 AM

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So, how did Jotaro talk underwater... Did I miss something?

Anyway, good series all around but S1 was a lot better. The whole stand thing is a bit eh.
Sep 13, 2014 1:12 AM

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Man, 4 months without my saturday morning dose of Jojo...

Anyway it was a good adaption but I never liked part three much so this gets a 7/10. Next season is going to have quite a few more awesome fights, so looking forward to that.
Sep 13, 2014 1:26 AM

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Tyrel said:
So, how did Jotaro talk underwater... Did I miss something?


He talked underwater before this, in the episode with the sea captain way back in the first cour. They explained it briefly then, although I really don't remember exactly what the reason was. It was some bullshit about stand powers, though.
Sep 13, 2014 1:51 AM

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Good first half, DP did a great job of adapting part 3 so far. I guess I'll give it an 8/10 and see how it goes from here in January.
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Sep 13, 2014 2:06 AM

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What a great journey it has been and it will continue to be
Sep 13, 2014 2:10 AM

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I gotta wait 4 months for the next arc?! As joseph joestar would say "HORY SHET!!"

At least itll be a nice thing to look forward to during christmas
Sep 13, 2014 2:26 AM
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Kellhus said:
Yes, Stands are new because Araki was the first to do them in this context. It's not nonsense, but your argument sure seems to be. Everything you are saying here could just as easily by applied to parts 1/2. Hamon is surely a more "terrible" excuse for superpowers than the wildly imaginative encounters and designs that Stands bring to the game. Also they came out in the mid-80s, not that the date is especially important.
Stands. Hamon. They're both bullshit superpowers. What they are isn't important. Yes you can argue there's artistic flavor in the design of some Stands, but in the end, they're both bullshit superpowers. That isn't why JoJo is a remarkable series by any means.

Most of what you are saying here seems to be driven entirely by opinion as well. Pulling the "nothing is original" card after getting called out doesn't help your case either. Phantom Blood is literally an amalgamation of various popular media at the time, namely Hokuto no Ken and Castlevania. To consider a dude going around punching zombies Kenshiro style more creative than the Stand battles that SC presents is frankly asinine.
Every damn observation ever made is opinion. So you're bringing up a redundant fact. However you're missing the bigger point about the significance of plot versus execution. Plot or what an author chooses to write about isn't creative, because every plot premise that ever existed is always based on something else. HOW they write it on the other hand, there's more nuance and variation in the ways the author can make it either compelling or relatable based on cultural appeal.

I'll also point out that BT handles back-story more or less in the same manner as SC. We know very little about Caesar until his tiny back-story arc, Joseph is presented in the same manner as Jotaro but with a different personality, no development for anyone overall really. No characters throughout the entirety of the PB/BT arcs receive much of any notable or significant character development that is worth contrasting against SC. If anything Polnareff is the most developed character so far so the point is moot anyway. But that's not the focus here and isn't required for it to be entertaining. It's not fine literature, it's about punching people in the face, and Jojo delivers that in spades.
The first four episodes of PB present more main character development than the 24 episodes of SC, just to make a point clear. Granted, those are effectively the main episodes where the characters actually get developed, but regardless it's well paced characterization that tells you who Jonathan and Dio are, as well as what really defines them.

Polnareff over about 8 or so episodes gets somewhat comparable character development, except his backstory is effectively really random and has no real ties to anything else that matters in the series. Who is Sherry Polnareff outside of being a minor plot device that motivates him?

BT has WAY superior characterization of villains and pretty good development for Joseph. Anyhow though, even in spite of relatively limited time, BT succeeds in creating villain characters that are memorable, having personalities that have an impact on the protagonist Joseph. Wham's a pretty obvious example of this. In the limited time that Joseph knows him, he and Wham reach a level of respect for their ideals.

Also, JoJo isn't simply about punching people in the face. There's plenty of shows that do that. There are far fewer shows that deliberately maintain comic-book style flow, dramatic palette swaps, and straight faced over the top dialogue and posing. These elements, while maintained in SC, however don't feel nearly as good when most of the characters and events are just frankly less interesting.

The primary good things about SC is it fulfills the most basic requirements of action entertainment, which is visceral enjoyment. SC's most redeeming quality is its soundtrack, which helps given action entertainment is generally speaking infinitely worse without a good soundtrack.
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Sep 13, 2014 3:21 AM

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oh man i just love me some jojo gonna be lame as hell waiting for the second cour
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another season fuck yeah!!!
Sep 13, 2014 5:09 AM

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Tyrel said:
So, how did Jotaro talk underwater... Did I miss something?

Anyway, good series all around but S1 was a lot better. The whole stand thing is a bit eh.

Through their stands.
Well, I can't really blame new fans to doubt Stands, I mean, I have to admit that when I was reading early SC I was as much doubtful as them but at the same time curious since I wondered how Araki could have improved his concept even more, and I was genuinely amazed by how it turned out then.

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Stands. Hamon. They're both bullshit superpowers. What they are isn't important. Yes you can argue there's artistic flavor in the design of some Stands, but in the end, they're both bullshit superpowers. That isn't why JoJo is a remarkable series by any means.

Is that your opinion or are you stating a fact? Because it sounded much like the latter. Anyway JoJo has a lot good points that makes it a remarkable series, and one of them is certainly the Stands concept, no doubts about that. I don't think JoJo could have lasted for 27 bloody years without Stands that give limitless choices and a continuinity of originality to Araki's fresh ideas. You were saying before something like creativity doesn't come from the plot but by how is it executed right? And that's it, SC's plot doesn't want to be creative, the battle system does. A battle system where there are "rules", and rivals have to fight against each other following these rules, it doesn't matter if you're skilled/unskilled, it doesn't matter if your Stand is generally "lame", you have to completely use to your advantage the weakness of your opponents and to take advantage of the place where you're fighting, even a MC could die by any moment if they do not play their cards right. These thrilling factors will take a lot more of importance as the story goes on, and the absurdity and weirdness of Stands will reach whole new levels that can't simply be predicted.

That's why you can't expect fine literatures skills and deep development from SC's characters, it doesn't want to be that. Furthermore I'd say Araki's skills at this point were still quite "raw", I mean he first tries to settle the major points of a shounen, that is the battle. Then after he's confident enough he tries new things as he expands the "depth" of his characters.
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Tyrel said:
So, how did Jotaro talk underwater... Did I miss something?


He talked underwater before this, in the episode with the sea captain way back in the first cour. They explained it briefly then, although I really don't remember exactly what the reason was. It was some bullshit about stand powers, though.


I think the way they talk underwater is that the stands are doing the talking for them. Their voice is coming from the stands.
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24 episodes to reach Egypt, that's one hell of a long trip.

How well did DP do on the adaptation of what is maybe the weakest part of all the saga ? Good, pretty good. DP's take on stand's formula is nothing short of a success, one may argue about the slow pace but they did everything to make it as enjoyable as possible.

But this is only the beginning, the real Stardust Crusaders starts on January.
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The sound effects in the OP were pretty annoying to be honest, wonder what's the deal with that.

The hand signals gag was as hilarious as in the manga but the Midler fight has to be one of my least favorite fights in this adaption, even with those nice action scenes of Silver Chariot.

The fillers were pretty enjoyable as usual, especially the scene with Dio, because Dio is perfection.

I wonder who killed that Speedwagon Foundation guy.


Maybe I'll take my time catching up on Jojolion until January. Yeah, that's a good idea.
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24 episodes to reach Egypt, that's one hell of a long trip.

How well did DP do on the adaptation of what is maybe the weakest part of all the saga ? Good, pretty good. DP's take on stand's formula is nothing short of a success, one may argue about the slow pace but they did everything to make it as enjoyable as possible.

But this is only the beginning, the real Stardust Crusaders starts on January.


I can only second what you have wrote. Early SC is just Araki warming up to the new concept he created, the first fight in January should be more than enough to keep everyone hooked again.

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I wonder killed that Speedwagon Foundation guy.



NidhoeggrSep 13, 2014 5:40 AM
Jojolion anime when?
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"Holy shiiiit!"

Amazing, can't wait for the next part.
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I thought they would fight with Dio and end this anime. This is unexpected to end like this.
Anyways soon enough we'll get to see the fight with Dio next year. :D Best show ever.

It's supposed to be a hand gesture. How did they talk underwater ?
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Oh man that was good. Hard to believe half a year went by and I'll miss seeing JoJo every week for now. Putting that aside great ep. I didn't really think this would be a good point to end this but I'm glad they made it seem that the journey is far from over yet. Well see you in 2015, JoJo!

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[quote=wigglejelly]I thought they would fight with Dio and end this anime. This is unexpected to end like this.
Anyways soon enough we'll get to see the fight with Dio next year. :D Best show ever.

It's supposed to be a hand gesture. How did they talk underwater ? [/They have the stand talk for them. The voice is transmitted through the stands. I think thats how they explained it.
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A2ZOMG said:
The primary good things about SC is it fulfills the most basic requirements of action entertainment, which is visceral enjoyment.
Yes, because that is very, very easy to come by action entertainment with this caliber of quality and camp.
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Was liking this anime until around episode 16. Huge fucking let down overall though, and this season finale was garbage. I have no clue why this anime is so fucking padded out. Honestly wish I knew that going in so I could just watch up to episode 3, and just wait for the Dio fight. 1/5


It was not padded out, it is exactly how it was in the manga (plus some filler). And it is not the season finale it is only the first half. I will say the 2nd half is significantly better than the 1st. I admit Stardust Crusaders did not age well.

And if you are going to ignore everything that isn't Dio then you should not even bother with the rest of the series. There is far more memorable things then just the final battle with Dio in Stardust. The egyptian gods do not deserved to be ignored.
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What a great fucking episode.

I've still got goosebumps from the Opening with soundeffects.

Jotaro is the only hero guy who I don't mind being OP as fuck he is just too cool.

And for some reason the defeated Stand montage made me tear up.

Also some DIO. I was really hoping we would get some DIO this episode.

Just beautiful and I'm so fucking hyped for the Egypt Arc.

I love you Jojo.


Also I can't wait for D'arby.
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T3hSource said:
Yes, because that is very, very easy to come by action entertainment with this caliber of quality and camp.


fruits_punch said:

It was not padded out, it is exactly how it was in the manga (plus some filler). And it is not the season finale it is only the first half. I will say the 2nd half is significantly better than the 1st. I admit Stardust Crusaders did not age well.

And if you are going to ignore everything that isn't Dio then you should not even bother with the rest of the series. There is far more memorable things then just the final battle with Dio in Stardust. The egyptian gods do not deserved to be ignored.


Indeed, and it's not like manga readers told people that things would change MONTHS in advance... if you don't even inform yourself and just can't get into episodic stuff, fine. But don't blame the series - despite all its shortcomings that were more than often communicated by the manga readers beforehand - for your inability.
Jojolion anime when?
Sep 13, 2014 7:49 AM

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Good episode. Star Platinum going to work on those teeth was awesome. Lol Polnareff with the no comment after seeing her face. Can't wait for the next season.
Sep 13, 2014 9:22 AM

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Nice ending for the season 9/10

DIAMONDS?! :O PART 4 CONFIRMED!

Finally that sh!tty walk like an egyptian ed song is gone, I only listened to it once then skipped it every time but at least it fit the theme for part 1 so it's okay I guess :(
Sep 13, 2014 9:26 AM

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Absolutely fantastic adaptation! Huge props to David Production for the amazing work they've done so far and I hope they go ahead and adapt every part of the manga eventually!!!
Can't wait for January already! And finally get to see the fabulous bastard DIO in action!!!
~ZA WARUDO!!!

10/10!
Sep 13, 2014 9:26 AM

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Jan 2015? Why have to wait that long? I thought there is lots of material.

Would be great if next season we got not only Stand users,but also bringing back the vampire.
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.
Sep 13, 2014 9:26 AM

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I didn't even realize this was the last episode until 2/3rds through.
Overall not quite as good as the first 2 parts. Even by the end, I don't like stands as much as the ripple.
Sep 13, 2014 9:29 AM
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How did Kakyoin know what Ponnareff was saying with that complicated hand sign?
> "I can see you pantsu." XD

Nice attempt to seduce the Stand user. Jotaro pulled it off pretty good, though it didn't really work. XD

Good to see Dio again after so long. This guy is fabulous as ever!

Great ending to the 1st season. 9/10. Looking forward to the next one.

Sep 13, 2014 10:04 AM

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Definitely worth the wait and searching of random sites to find a decent quality sub. Great way to end the first half of the series. I don't know how I'll make it until January without my weekly dose of Jojo but knowing that the second half is much better than the first half of SC should help. And we'll finally get to see Dio Brando! He literally walked up a wall all horror movie style lol.
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Awesome first half. Can't wait for Jan 2015!
Stay in yesterday 時を止めて
Sep 13, 2014 10:26 AM

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IFuckedAPie said:
The sound effects in the OP were pretty annoying to be honest, wonder what's the deal with that.


They did that in the last episode of Phantom Blood and Battle Tendency, too.

It's pretty likely that it means there will be an OP change.
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loved it.


don't feel like reviewing stardust crusaders yet when the arc is only half way done

still gave it a ten because it is an incredibly faithful and enjoyable adaptation

jojo is something special and people will love it or hate it
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I haven't looked so forward to watching an anime every week in a long ass time.

Thank you Jojo for brightening my weekends!

See you next time!

Solid 8/10 for first half.
Sep 13, 2014 12:02 PM

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Awesome episode, Jojo will be missed.
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I just feel the need to say something here to people complaining, but first, you are not wrong and I understand your problems.

This is how JoJo has (and will) always be. Just fight after fight with the final objective at the end. Season 1 was like this too.

However part 3 is longer then both 1 and 2 combined. Not to mention that they adeed lots of filler aswell, while season 1 was literally cramped with as much manga-content as possible and was moving really fast. That's why it never felt boring.

Secondly the stand battles right now are pretty bad. When people said Araki was experimenting they didn't mean story-wise (story is the same pretty much) but with stands. You won't see stands shrinking again, or ''stand energy'' mentioned. Or the worst, the likes of the Cameo fight where Avdol says ''lol I was just guarding this area so my stand was weaker (wtf??) and one-shotting the enemy. Also the battles get more creative from now on, there's a reason why the old OVA started right here where this ended. And the battles and characters are pretty much the main point of JoJo.

And third, the main villain is always engaged in the story. This was true for part 1 and 2, and pretty much for all latter parts. Part 3 is the only one where there is a big bad endboss waiting at the end of a journey. I think this gives it a certain charm but I see why people don't like it. It would probably be better for Dio trying to do something than every week a new random enemy appearing.

So, once again I can see why people don't like it and part 3 is the worst one for me. But it's still the same thing, only different.
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