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Aloha, my name is random person in the internet. I noticed that you are in the jagaaaaaan discussion threads and u read the manga. I was wondering if u are interested in joining the discord server for jagaaaaaan. It is unofficial fandom server.

Dude what is the name of the girl in your forum signature?

Lol, well in that case are you able to show me a non cgi flat earth photo then?
In what way am I defending savages and murderers? The world was different 2000+ years ago. All I'm saying is that the majority of the people 2000+ years ago believed in religions.

Still not sure how I'm defending murderers, as I have stated over and over, I just give the facts that cases about self defence have turned into assault in some countries, are you that desperate to have a point in the argument or do you not get it?

Christianity isn't all about love, sure, I never stated that either, however treating others well is part of it is it not?

Not sure how my atheist and moral view go against each other. My thoughts isn't based on Christianity.
I don't believe in religion, that doesn't mean I can't see right from wrong, good from bad. Is it just me that have always felt bad doing something bad/wrong? It honestly is just that simple for me, even before I knew if it was a good thing or bad thing, I felt good doing good and bad doing bad. That's kinda it even thou I sometimes didn't know if it was good or bad, I simply went with how I felt.

As far as I've seen when it comes to.. Like the commandments, it's things like don't steal and so on. However I don't necessairly agree with all that, I don't see lying as a sin or something that's neccessairly bad, stealing is wrong, but in my opinion, it's not always in bad intent, some have to steal to provide for their families and so on.

I don't look at laws and rules when it comes to people, laws and rules apply to people's actions, but whatever the person had bad intents or good intents is different.

As I've already stated, I'm not interested in religion nor do I believe in the the majority of the things they teach.

Oh you're one of those flat earth believers?
I've heard this comment before, "atheists have killed more than any religion" which is false.. And if you actually believe that, just jikes.. Religion has killed plenty more than atheists ever have. There's been wars and massacres in the name of the religion, you don't see atheists, althou it's more like people who don't believe in stories, spouting around starting wars..

The world would in fact have gotten further if it weren't for religion, religion has set us back by alot, time that could have been invested into the benefit of humanity was instead invested into nonsense..

I was intending to be respectful towards you and I have tried, but from what I've seen in this last post of yours, you're not just some random christian as I thought at first, you believe in flat earth, that science is just for brainwashing, that christianity is the epic center of human kind..

Do me a favor, get off your high horse, stop putting Christianity on a pedistal like it's everything that matters and get down to the facts and let's have a normal discussion instead of this nonsense.

I really do believe the flat earth theory and whatnot is just utterly insane.

And from what I can tell by your comments here.. Savage ways and whatnot... You gave it away, that you actually have no respect for other religions.

I don't say this lightly, but this is precisely the reason I dislike Christians particular. Not because of the religion or so, but because of the people. Putting it on a pedistal, saying everything else is less, calling people who back in the day believed in different religions.. You specifically said 2000 years ago, however religions such as Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism existed back then. Meaning you're calling these people savages.. In fact, I dare to say atheism was barely if not at all, around back then. People didn't have the technology or understanding of how things worked, how lightning occured, how the sun came out and how the moon came out, where the wind came from.. So people believed in religions which gave some kind of explanation..

Even if we exclude these 4 religions, the rest believed in nature religions, Norse gods as an example.. You call them all savages simply because they did what their religion said?

Due to this fact, I have deemed that you lack respect for other religions. You do not treat others like you want to be treated yourself, you put Christianity above every single thing on earth and say this is the real religion and everything else is nonsense, you don't believe in the earth even being round..

I tell you what, want me to go to space and take you with me? Just so you can see how FLAT the earth isn't.

I'm done with this conversation, it started out friendly with different opinions about religion and that was that, your opinions is yours still indeed.. However your lack of respect for others disgusts me, saying morality comes from Christianity, and you being a Christian with such a lack of respect for others..

The reason I do not believe in stories like Christianity, in things like God and whatnot.. Is because of people like you, I rather believe in human kind, treat people with respect and try to not be an asshole to others, value everyone's opinion.. Which I have tried to in this discussion with you, but I no longer am able to tolerate this lack of respect for other religions that you show. It's utterly disgusting.

Last few things I want to say before I'm done with this comment..
If you believe science is brainwashing etc, do you not see how religion shares the same issue? Science at least tries to provide evidence and such, while religion is just a script without any evidence of anything at all.
Sure science isn't bullet proof, scientists believe this to be the truth and that to be the truth, we all agree to disagree since we don't know everything for certain. The difference between scientists and religion however is that scientists go out of their way to test these theories, while religion is basically just "believe in this".

I'm not sure how me citing laws and actual cases is a case of SJW either. I'm not saying I'll report your God to the popo, I just gave the fact that if things would have gotten ugly, he would by todays laws been convicted for the deed aswell since he instigated Abraham.

How that is a case of SJW, I do not know. You bringing up SJW is probably more a way to still try to have a discussion even thou you realize you've lost that part of the argument.

Yes people do say things like that and so on, but there's also been cases where the people who did that has gotten convicted for it, since it was deemed as being the thing that instigated the suicide or so.

I'm not sure what "breathing tax" is. Laws are indeed scuffed in some countries, but that's what we gotta improve, that the laws always protect the citizens.

I'm not sure how I'm protecting robbers or murderers for that part, I simply said that in some countries it has been deemed as too much for just self defence and been looked at as assault. It's a fact, not my opinion whatever it was good or bad.
Every country isn't like America where they shoot people dead for carrying a pair of toy scissors.
However I don't blame the cops for all of that.. From what I've learned, the training they endure is very short compared to other countries.
To be a cop where I live, you take years of training.. In america you can probably be a cop the same half year you decided to enlist.

It's a scuffed system. It's not good and it's the cause to why there's so many bad cops and cops that pull the trigger way too early and way too much. Or just cops that doesn't know the laws themselves...

Yet again, not SJW. Just facts buddy.

Anyway I'm done discussing with you

You managed to yet again show me the lack of respect most Christians have for others, especially those of other religions..

I still think it's insane that people think the earth is flat. Absolutely insane, but hey, if that's what floats your boat..

From the first comment to the last, you have insisted that Christianity is the key to success, that it somehow invented morality..

You have continued to put the religion on a pedistal.. Which is why it's impossible to have a discussion with you..

I do not have a burning passions against religions and such, I simply try to look at things objectively, not being influenced by too much..

You really should try that, try to look at it from an objective stand point.. Then maybe you'll realize atheism is in the minority compared to religions.. Maybe not these days, I don't have the numbers, but during the ages, that's how it's been due to people needing an explanation, and religion giving one..

Even if you call these people savages, that just happened to believe in a different religion than yours. At least they'll have the respect from someone who doesn't believe in anything..

I know I'm not the best person around, it might sound like I put myself on a pedistal here.. But I really just offer respect to everyone despite their beliefs.. I feel truly frustrated when I see people who's beliefs are to treat others good...then just show the imense lack of respect they have for others... It's truly heart breaking, which is probably the biggest reason I do not wanna be associated with such people..

Like my grandmother, who was a Christian by the way.. Like she said... Religion is not for the weak minded.

It's not hard to be a good person.. You don't need to follow guidelines or rules from a religion or such.. It's in you... Being a good person is not about what you believe in, but how you treat those that believes different.

By the end of this comment I have managed to calm myself down, I do apologize for my harsh words.. It pains me how people who are "supposed" to be good, who talk daily about how to treat one another.. Lacks such a respect for others... I'm disappointed. I hope you are too, since you have clearly not learned what it is to be a good respectful person.. Even with the help of your religion, I sincerly hope you take a moment after reading this all.. To just breath and think for a moment.. Think what you believe in is about, and think about how you have been in reality.

Believe in flat earth if you want, I disagree that the earth is flat, that's that. Believe that atheists is the cause of evil and murder, I don't believe that.. Believe that Christianity is the key to happiness or whatever.. Believe what you wish to believe, in the end we agree to disagree.

However, never treat people with such lack of respect ever again. It truly makes me mad to see you call others savages simply because they lived before Christianity was around... That's not the way you should treat others.

Believe what you wanna believe, aslong as you don't force your opinion on someone else or treat others respectless, you should be fine..

Yet again, I apologize for my harsh words, reading your comment and seeing the lack of respect just made me very angry with you.. More so, very disappointed.

This here has been my own opinion, do not think everyone who thinks differently thinks or believes what I believe. I just happen to not be shy about stating what I believe in. And treating one another in a respectful manor is one of my beliefs.

I sincerely apologize for my harsh words. But it was needed to be said, I wish it was said differently, but I'm not the kind to change what I have spoken.

As I stated before, I'm done with the discussion. Hope you have a continued pleasant day sir.

Buddhism is probably the religion you're calling whatever. I honestly connect more with Buddhism than I've ever connected with Christianity, however I still refuse to believe in things with no proof of existance (heaven, hell, god(s) and so on), if I must believe in such things I'd rather believe in the norse gods, they're rather interesting at least.

In my opinion, religion once had a purpose, it gave people something to believe in etc, however these days.. It's outdated, lacks use and it seems it's just being thrown around as a way to justify things, not just Christianity ofc, I'm talking about all religions now.

I still find it ignorant to say Christianity is the base of morality and every ounce of morality these days came from Christianity.. It's just very ignorant, think of it this way.. There's alot of places where Christianity was never introduced, so where did they get their morality from? If you answer with something that's trying to relate it to Christianity being the cause, you're yet again being ignorant.

You also said "otherwise them murdering whoever they want", however that's pretty much what Christians have done aswell right? Maybe not today, but they have.

And yes, what did you expect would happen when people from the outside try to influence your country? Religion back then helped keep the countries as one, letting Christianity roam around would eventually create a civil war. You're forgetting how different the times were back then and just how much can change by one simple thing.

I never said it has any ill intent, however the fact remains that he influenced Abraham in the bible to try to commit this act. Even if his intent was just to test him and not let him harm his son, he did make someone try to kill their own son. Which is still a crime by today's standards.. Like I said in the previous message, if I told you to end your life, without really meaning it or thinking you'd do it, if you'd then do it, I'd be convicted for it. Since with me saying that, I made you act in such a way..

So still, doesn't matter if he intented to let it happen or not, if he had ill intent or not, the fact remains he said it and it was enough for Abraham to try kill his ówn son.

Also the part about the UK, I don't live there, but I'm fairly certain it has something to do with how much you injured the person, I know of cases were the fella threw just a few too many punches at a robber and it was deemed as it wasn't needed in self defence and he got charged with assault. Still stupid I believe, but even when it comes to hurting law breakers there's gotta be limits. Unless you're in a life or death scenario, then I don't believe there should such limits.

Is that the Naqua one? I've been reading another one of his manga, Kako to Nise tantei, 'cause some scanlators actually picked it up again. Not as good a Kaibutsu though and I miss Reimi and Riza always trying to one-up each other.

I share your love for Neko Musume chief. Her new design is delicious. Especially those long legs. Also noticed your Kaibutsu Ojou profile pic - Loved that manga to bits.

I never said Jesus wasn't real, I'm sure there was a person that inspired the idea of "Jesus". Scientists have a lot of theories and hard to prove everything including things that happened such a long time ago, by that I do include the big bang theory, the alien theories aswell as some believing in what the bible says.

Can't argue on the point about Catholics, I don't have all the facts and I don't bother searching it up since I'm leaning towards the idea of most of the more well-known crusades and whatnot was most likely made by them.

"Just blame God and Christians instead of sinners that's easier", to actually give you some solid feedback on this point in particular. I live in a country where.. When Christianity was introduced, the people of the country whom believed in nature religions and such, basically had the choice of either dying or converting.... They didn't necessairly do anything wrong, they just got handed that option and had their beliefs forcefully taken away from them. That's also written in our history books and taught to us in religion/history classes in schools as kids. Doesn't say Christianity is bad, just stating that it did happen and there's no denying that...

I'm fairly certain your point about racism is rather unrational however considering you're blaming all of them and not just those who did wrong. You're also only blaming them and not the ones taking them into slavery. Every detail is not written in text books or such, they could have also very well had a sword against their throat when they kindly accepted the deal.. Besides that's the first thing I've heard about it, but doesn't suprise me if it did happen.

They hate white people because they enslaved the family for centuries onwards and americans in particular are still very racist against them. Sure they eventually got rid of slavery, but the discrimination against them was all the same.. Not just because of their background as having been slaves or fathers and mothers who were slaves, but also because of their looks. Can you blame them for hating the people who wouldn't even treat you as a human even after the slavery had ended?

I can't argue about where ever my parent's have gotten their morality from, I do not know and I do not care.
About myself I can argue about, and it has nothing to do with Christianity. I didn't know whatever or not anything was wrong or right, I just felt bad sometimes and decided to not do things that makes me feel that way.

Yes I do know there's people without a moral compass, alot of them are psychopaths and sociopaths. Born without the ability to see right from wrong even with guidance, or just formed that way by society..

Actually, if you do tell someone to kill without being able to prove you had no intention of letting them kill, and they do it as per your request.. You'll most likely have some serious troubles with the law. If I tell you to take your life without meaning it and you do it, no matter how others would see it, no matter what I may say afterwards, it wouldn't change the fact that my words might have impacted your actions and therefore I would be too in troubles with the law.

No, of course I wouldn't wish that upon you, just an example, I mean no harm just to be clear.

Surely you've heard of numerous incidents about this person and that person, someone being charged for manslaughter and such for telling someone to end themselves online, via facebook or whatever. This kinda stuff does happen even if you don't actually mean it, it doesn't change the fact you did indeed say it and it did indeed have an impact..

God telling Abraham to kill his own son, maybe God didn't mean that more than as just a test.. That's his view, however what does Abraham do? Well he obeys, and why? Because his words had an impact on Abraham to act in such a way, meaning God has commited a crime lol.

The way you talk about atheism is rather interesting. However I'd say what people tend to label atheism is simply people not believing in things that's essentially just stories, there's nothing out there that's proof that the more important things in the bible actually happened (since your comments was primairly about christianity and atheism and not much about the other religions per say), or rather the more well known things such as the creation of the earth which science is fairly certain was caused by the big bang and all that btw.. Or Christ coming back from the dead, Moses parting the sea and such. There's no real evidence of such, it's more to me like a story than actual events.

I don't mean to judge you or anyone else for the matter for believing in your religion and that there's something more to this all.. However I simply just don't think of it as facts. I'm not entirely sure why we're labeling people whatever or not they believe in a religion or not, I don't understand the constant need for a label. I see people as people and whatever they believe in is upto them.

I don't preach that religion is bad or good. I don't preach at all in fact, my only opinion about it is that I don't take the bible and such as facts of these events and such, I do not think God exists in the same way I don't believe Moses parted a sea, I don't take these statements as facts since the only thing ever mentioning this.. is written in one book... Meaning there's just one source of information, meaning there's a slimmer chance of this actually haviing taken place.. The bible was also written by Man, but how would Man even know in the first way how or in what way God created earth, how would someone know these things that happened way before there even was a thing called "human" or "book"...

Religion per say is a real thing, people do believe in such and some gets involved in different religious traditions and such.. I don't think it's a bad thing to have something you believe in, however I do believe it's a bad thing to justify bad actions with religion. Bad people and good people exist no matter what they choose to believe.

I don't label myself as an atheist aswell. I just take facts as facts and everything else as uncertain information. I'd happily be proven wrong, that these events did indeed take place.. But until then, I doubt I'll change my mind about this.

This is more just what I, myself believe in. I don't preach about it, it's just my opinion, I do not care if anyone believes the same or not.. Be a good person and you're fine..

But calling atheists "non believing christians" is rather odd, christanity haven't existed as long as mankind has, there's been plenty of religions that has existed prior to christianity, plenty which exists today..

"All the current good morality comes from Christianity, so the atheist who believe they are above religion in morality are really just a copy cat Christian who doesn't believe in god." I would say this is you saying christians are above everyone else.. Good morality did not come from Christianity, neither do I think I'm a better person than people who believe in religion.. However you did ask "If not then where do they take their morality from since they don't believe in religions/god's teachings?", I can answer it personally, I can't speak for everyone.. But personally yes, I don't believe in things in the bible. However, religious teachings is a different thing, since it's primairly things like "dont steal" which is also a law in most countries, but also things like that you should treat others good. Ofcourse this is good things to teach, but.. Honestly, Christianity wasn't the first religion and christians weren't the first people who thought "Hey, let's not be douches to eachother"

And if we were to look at history, there's been plenty of blood shed "in the name of the lord" and such, people getting killed and burned simply because of religious teachings.. Plenty of unjustful events, I'm sure we can agree on that.. So, christians isn't the cause of good morality, the teachings isn't either.. All christians aren't good .. "6: You shall not murder.".. "love your neighbor as yourself"... In historic events, non-believers or believers of different religions and such have been killed for it and called "pagans" and such.. Forced into believing in Christianity or to otherwise be killed... This is unjustified and against your own religion's teachings. People today even that slander and talk badly about people simply due to their skin color and think it's justified because they're christians...

That is why I'm not a big fan of christians, the religion is one thing.. But the people is a different thing.

In my opinion, believe in what you wish to believe, be the person you wish to be. But if you're an ass to others, you don't deserve respect.

As for the morality thing... I was taught to be a good person by my parents, not by a book or a religion, I was taught to respect elders since my dad is of old age and I had respect for him, simple as that, I self-learned myself that. I learned that people like you when you're kind, I self-learned that. I learned that it felt wrong and bad to be rude to others or do rude acts.. I did not learn to be a good person by a book or a religion.... I learned not to be an ass by myself and my parents.

If you can not understand how people can have good morality even if they don't believe in religion.. I'm willing to teach you right here, that not all people need help to learn to be a good person. Morality doesn't come from christians or christianity or any other religion in fact.. It's a thing... That's just there. It's not rocket science, just don't be a douche to everyone and you've succeeded in being a not-bad person.

But yes, I do understand that this is your opinion, however you did open it up for an answer since you did ask a question, and to me personally it did seem like you were uncertain of how it is possible for others to find morality...

One more thing that's kinda ironic, the 10 Commandments state that you shall not murder right? Then why did God ask Abraham to murder his own son, thereby he broke the commandments, did he not? Even if it was a request by God, he broke the commandments. And who in their right mind would murder their own son.. How do you think people would look at it today? Someone slits the throat of their newborn baby and justifies it with "God told me to, it was a test of belief", how would you look at it? I sincerly doubt most people disregarding what they believe in, would think this person was sane or right in their ways.

Anyway, have a good one. Believe what you want to believe in, don't be an ass and you're good. Hope this have somewhat helped you to understand a tad at least.. Ofcourse this is just my own personal opinion, my voice is not the voice of everyone, it is simply just me, adding to the discussion.

But yes, I would gladly be proven wrong, in fact I would find it exciting to find real facts and evidence that points to a God existing.. It's not that I hate religion or the thought of it, I just don't believe it to be true. However I do dislike bad people disregarding what they believe in..

I do hope this comment doesn't come out as hateful or so.. I'm bad at explaining so I do apologize in advance...

Anyway, much love. Hope you have a good continued day sir :)

I see. Thank you, sir.

Hello, sir. May I ask who's the purple haired girl in your forum signature? Just for research. :)

I really like your avatar. =_=

Hey Ichii. How popular is March Comes in like a lion in Japan?

Thank you for accepting the friend request, wise Overlord fan. ^^

I was going to commend you on your signature because I thought it was hilariously satirical, but them I saw the full pic and realized the author was probably serious with it and now I'm not sure what to think.