Seitaro11 said: prob cuz they knew about the award beforehand so they were the first to comment lolStill it's weird. Just like when Sony awarded tLoU as game of the decade, even though Sony was the one who published it. Of course people that chose this game aren't the same that worked on this game, but it's still pretty huge boasting, just like in here |
lpf said: That MAL is an echo chamber, or at least, those that disagree don't want to voice it, which makes it even worse.Immahnoob said: I'm dumb but I don't get it. it's telling of what?It's great and all, but the fact that there's not one staffer that isn't against this change is rather telling. This system is in no way a good system. |
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LogicalPoint said: Few Days ago that user sent harassing messages and links to support a brigade on around half a dozen users/people That I am aware of there are probably alot more I don't.) and then proceeded to abuse their power to hide this fact. This level of censorship and abuse from someone with that much power if horrifying. But you will only ever hear cheers because that is all that is permitted due to the power they employ. Who is 'That user'? I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you have any proof of this? |
| Hi Kineta, I find it troubling that IR got pushed back down to 7.57 which is a value it had passed by the 26th Jan. More so since it was trending up from the 22nd Jan - 31st Jan and this trend accelerated from the 1st Feb to the 4th Feb I strongly suspect you have punished legitimate accounts wishing to support this show. |
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Mayuka said: Seitaro11 said: Still it's weird. Just like when Sony awarded tLoU as game of the decade, even though Sony was the one who published it. Of course people that chose this game aren't the same that worked on this game, but it's still pretty huge boasting, just like in here prob cuz they knew about the award beforehand so they were the first to comment lol How exactly knowing beforehand when this thread will be created has to do anything with their comment's content? If they didn't know beforehand, and they posted their reply hours after this thread was created, then they wouldn't be able to pat their own back? |
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TheTexhnolyzed said: Yeah, the first thing i did is i checked the votes and saw a handful of SnK/FMA boosting and downvoting, but to my understanding their votes don't count and they're just wasting their timehttps://myanimelist.net/profile/SirZechs77 Another illegitimate/duplicate account. |
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| Top 50 should be included, so the incoming new scoring system the system is a failure already. But no, you choose to please the fanboys once again. Just no remorse for salty tears! |
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Timz0r said: Top 50 should be included, so the incoming new scoring system the system is a failure already. But no, you choose to please the fanboys once again. Just no remorse for salty tears! I suggest you read the OP. Top 50 is included But no, you chose to post without reading. |
Wonderllama5 said: I wish there was an algorithm to prevent Gintama from dominating the top 10 *ducks* Iirc it used to be the top anime before FMA:B overtook it, and some later seasons also competed for the top spot. |
Ardanaz said: Timz0r said: Top 50 should be included, so the incoming new scoring system the system is a failure already. But no, you choose to please the fanboys once again. Just no remorse for salty tears! I suggest you read the OP. Top 50 is included But no, you chose to post without reading. Correction; they treat the 50 as their baby and do very little about those manipuated scores. MAL scores are a joke. |
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| Some people are already trying to break the new system. https://myanimelist.net/profile/kitsune0 This guy set all 3 seasons of Chihayafuru at dropped after 13 episodes and rated them 1,2 and 3. And some people have the audacity to say illegitimate scores don't exist. |
DeathTheKid4Feb 12, 2020 5:52 AM
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Cladocera said: Or maybe, we could have not taken the machine gun out and sprayed like madmen, and instead just left the situation alone. This system did nothing good for the site. borderliner said: There're more people started watching who rate it other than 1 or 10, and I suspect many would view it under a negative light so it's not that unbelievable. Score changes constantly, just because it was rising/dropping does not mean it will continue doing so. Examples.Hi Kineta, I find it troubling that IR got pushed back down to 7.57 which is a value it had passed by the 26th Jan. More so since it was trending up from the 22nd Jan - 31st Jan and this trend accelerated from the 1st Feb to the 4th Feb I strongly suspect you have punished legitimate accounts wishing to support this show. And tbh, any legit users that happened to be caused in the crossfire is unfortunate, but we can do nothing about that. It's a site-wide change, everyone bears the same risk. |
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Timz0r said: Correction; they treat the 50 as their baby and do very little about those manipuated scores. MAL scores are a joke. So you didn't read it. "The scores for all entries will be recalculated over the next 7 days." Top 50 was just changed immediately |
Cladocera said: Indeed, none of you are thinking of the factual consequences. Immahnoob said: Or maybe, we could have not taken the machine gun out and sprayed like madmen, and instead just left the situation alone. This system did nothing good for the site.  I personally support the change, just as many users in this thread. You're basically in agreement that your vote can always be rescinded and you punished. |
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Immahnoob said: Indeed, none of you are thinking of the factual consequences. You're basically in agreement that your vote can always be rescinded and you punished. Why would legit users be punished if they don't take part in a brigade? |
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Ardanaz said: Timz0r said: Correction; they treat the 50 as their baby and do very little about those manipuated scores. MAL scores are a joke. So you didn't read it. "The scores for all entries will be recalculated over the next 7 days." Ardanaz said: Timz0r said: Correction; they treat the 50 as their baby and do very little about those manipuated scores. MAL scores are a joke. So you didn't read it. "The scores for all entries will be recalculated over the next 7 days." I have read it. I just don't believe it the lies that are being told. No remorse for the top 50 scores and have a fresh starts aswell. All scores should be wiped off within the week if you guys truly believe in a no score manipulation policy. We'll see how toxic most fanboys here are. ;-) |
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Timz0r said: I have read it. I just don't believe it the lies that are being told. No remorse for the top 50 scores and have a fresh starts aswell. All scores should be wiped off within the week if you guys truly believe in a no score manipulation policy. We'll see how toxic most fanboys here are. ;-) I should've figured it'd go in this direction.  |
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| Thanks MAL mods for getting our concerns resolved! |
Seitaro11 said: It's hillarious how the very first replies to this topic are from MAL staff congratulating MAL staff for their work  its because the moderators are not the developers of even owners the moderators here are all volunteers |
Cladocera said: Let MAL burn, as long as it heats you up, huh? That's quite short term thinking. Think of it like that if you will, I won't change your mind and I don't care either. The change is fair enough for me so I have nothing to complain. |
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Ardanaz said: Timz0r said: I have read it. I just don't believe it the lies that are being told. No remorse for the top 50 scores and have a fresh starts aswell. All scores should be wiped off within the week if you guys truly believe in a no score manipulation policy. We'll see how toxic most fanboys here are. ;-) I should've figured it'd go in this direction. It's the best solution to be honest instead of this bullcrap that will fail nonetheless. But no; you guys always need to be more complicated as usual. WIPE THEM ALL! |
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Wonderllama5 said: I wish there was an algorithm to prevent Gintama from dominating the top 10 *ducks* I wish there was an algorithm to prevent people to talk about the series they haven't even watched. |
| Nicely done. I was expecting a bigger change with some series but this a step in the right direction. This makes scores more relevant |
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Fosn said: DeathTheKid4 said: Honestly, removing the scores might be the best solution to all this.Some people are already trying to break the new system. https://myanimelist.net/profile/kitsune0 This guy set all 3 seasons of Chihayafuru at dropped after 13 episodes and rated them 1,2 and 3. And some people have the audacity to say illegitimate scores don't exist. I don't know if a website already exists (a large enough website) that has completely removed scores, but I think it's the best solution. It is the best for one thing, nobody will be worried about the vote brigade or illegitimate accounts upvoting or downvoting anything. However, this has a negative aspect, which is the "review" part. I don't think i'd make sense if the score cease to exist but the reviews/score not. Unless you review something without adding a score attached to it, which I don't approve of, reviews should also be removed. Reviewing something without knowing the score is downright wrong, if you ask me. Thank you for being a sane person and also opting for in just removing all scores together and starting wiht a fresh start. It's people like you I know some humans have still some value. Stay awesome. <3 |
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Timz0r said: Fosn said: Honestly, removing the scores might be the best solution to all this. I don't know if a website already exists (a large enough website) that has completely removed scores, but I think it's the best solution. It is the best for one thing, nobody will be worried about the vote brigade or illegitimate accounts upvoting or downvoting anything. However, this has a negative aspect, which is the "review" part. I don't think i'd make sense if the score cease to exist but the reviews/score not. Unless you review something without adding a score attached to it, which I don't approve of, reviews should also be removed. Reviewing something without knowing the score is downright wrong, if you ask me. Thank you for being a sane person and also opting for in just removing all scores together and starting wiht a fresh start. It's people like you I know some humans have still some value. Stay awesome. <3 fresh start? isnt that whats being done here with the all recalculation going on with the new system? |
| Thank you mods and admin staff. A massive step in the right direction. Thank you. If you're ever considering future improvements in the futre, you might want to consider pooling several seasons of the same series as one entry. You already do it for lets say LOGH. It would really help addressing the issue of sequel bias. Did I understand correctly and the accounts of which scores have been ignored are not made aware of this fact? |
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deg said: fresh start? isnt that whats being done here with the all recalculation going on with the new system? With a fresh start we meant wipe all scores down. Implement new system. I don't mind in re-adding my 700+ scores. But I bet MAL staf are too stubborn to consider this. MAL scores will stay a joke even when the week has passed. |
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jjohn333 said: It's a shame that even when the vote brigading(like in ishuzoku reviewers) increases the awareness of the show it actually also damages its reputation and can put off new potential viewers and/or enrage others so they wont watch the show with open mind but blinded with anger, so in the end it can do more harm than good, as well as it upsets the community Well its interesting to see the changes in scores, glad to see gintama a bit more up, definitely deserves it Pretty much what it did for me lol I love ecchi shows and this whole mess has put me off from watching it |
Timz0r said: Yeah sure it look fun for someone that have 1000 series entry like me. Totally worthy of my time.deg said: fresh start? isnt that whats being done here with the all recalculation going on with the new system? With a fresh start we meant wipe all scores down. Implement new system. I don't mind in re-adding my 700+ scores. But I bet MAL staf are too stubborn to consider this. MAL scores will stay a joke even when the week has passed. |
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Timz0r said: deg said: fresh start? isnt that whats being done here with the all recalculation going on with the new system? With a fresh start we meant wipe all scores down. Implement new system. I don't mind in re-adding my 700+ scores. But I bet MAL staf are too stubborn to consider this. MAL scores will stay a joke even when the week has passed. lol i choose the lesser evil that is this new system rather wiping out everything every what few years? and you are just inviting more vote brigading with a totally clean state of the scores anyway Psajdak said: I don't understand point of all this... If you do that, then how will people be able to make alt accounts in order to manipulate rankings? am i reading this right? making alt accounts to manipulate the rankings is fine for you? wut? |
degFeb 12, 2020 6:38 AM
| :thinking: I wonder how a troll vote is considered to be as such... (I'm referring more to legitimate accounts rather than illegitimate ones in this instance since there are metrics to define an illegitimate account stated.) |
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| Great to see that things are fixed back to normal again, I am someone who always found this whole upvoting & downvoting of shows via bot accounts of fanboys to be extremely unfair, regardless of what shows I personally prefer. So really pleased to see all of these stuff being finally taken care off with the rating troll score plan being put into good effect. It seems like that scores of a few shows are still left to be adjusted, which as Kineta said, would take some more time to happen & continue to be adjusted over the next 7 days. Still am kinda surprised seeing Chihayafuru's score not being updated right away like Ishuzoku Reviewers, since that was supposed to be one of the major priorities of the rating troll score plan....but well, it's obviously gonna happen pretty soon in course of time as stated, which is relieving to know (still yet to watch the show but the way it got rabidly downvoted all of a sudden was criminal). EDIT: Oh wait, by the time I started typing up my post, Chihayafuru's score wasn't updated, looks like it has finally been done now, thankfully. :) The most pleasing thing here for me obviously is the "memes" Pingu In The City and Ishuzoku Reviewers being put into place. NGL, after watching Pingu, I.....literally was astounded that how the MAL community could choose this enormously childish & "good for only 5 year olds" show to upvote as a meme, can't really get more satisfactory to see it being put in its deserved place. Don't really think I need to elaborate regarding Ishuzoku Reviewers at this point. Kobayasan said: Yep, i was certain FMA, Steins;Gate and HxH were gonna get hit hard with this patch. Well, I think I already told you this in another thread, but I always had a feeling that you were being wrong regarding this. While there has been several bot accounts upvoting the shows, there has been several accounts downvoting them too as well, and the downvotes do more than just neutralizing the upvotes. FMA:B fanboys are obviously amongst the worst with the way they start downvoting any show that threatens to overtake the top position of their favourite, but the fanboys of those other high-ranked have also downvoted FMA:B in retaliation after FMA:B fanboys downvoted their favourites. It's not like as if the fanboys of the other high-ranked shows sat quiet and did nothing. This was clearly seen during FMA:B's score bug problem, when several FMA:B fanboys started rabidly downvoting AoT Season 3 Part 2 via bots, many AoT bot accounts were also evidently seen downvoting FMA:B too well. Downvoting with 1's have far more of an effect compared upvotes given by 10, that's obvious since it at least takes 9 upvotes by 10's to neutralize a downvote by 1. Which is why expecting a massive decrease in FMA:B's score after the removal of the fake booster accounts upvoting it was always faulty (and guess what, it actually happened to increase!). The upvotes boosting FMA:B's score were pretty understandably more than just neutralized by the downvoted given by the fanboys of the other high ranked shows in retaliation after FMA:B fanboys downvoted their favourites. I just hope that people now stop saying that FMA:B's score is massively influenced by the bot upvotes, now that it's score has actually increased after the score plan has come into effect. It's undeniable that the downvoting by the FMA:B fanboys have had a massive impact on the scores of other shows like Gintama & LoGH (which is evident as it can be seen now), but the upvotes boosting FMA:B's score barely can make an impact since the downvotes given by the fanboys of others shows to FMA:B did more than just to neutralize those as downvoting has obviously more impact than upvoting. I also remember telling you (alongside saying that FMA:B's score will likely remain the same with all downvotes/upvotes excluded) that a few shows like Gintama 2015 might rank above FMA:B with the downvotes excluded, but well....seems like that didn't happen. Regardless, I'm happy to see them increase in score. What honestly surprised me most here is that AoT Season 3 Part 2's score increased only by 0.02....I definitely expected a bigger increase here. Guess the AoT Season 3 Part 2's much higher score back then was also somewhat due to seasonal hype & part of the decrease in its score has also happened naturally due to the hype dieing down. -------------------------------- Anyways, I hope that the scores of some of the others which were also evidently effected by botting, like all the SAO seasons, also get their scores adjusted in due time as well (even considering SAO is a hype train anime whose score is expected to drop in the course of time as it receives a enormous amount of hate in the fandom, the scores of its seasons have been dropping unnaturally fast through the last few months) Also, just a question: am I only who feels like that MHA's scores (all of its seasons) have been unnaturally dropping fast through the last few months as well (maybe it was also facing the same problems too)? I'm kinda hoping some adjustment in its scores too in that case. |
345EdwardElricFeb 12, 2020 7:58 AM
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| This is great, but I still have one, but important question. How did you test it? How do you know for sure, that your algorithm indeed works the way intended, and the scores are perfectly calculated? |
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jjohn333 said: It's a shame that even when the vote brigading(like in ishuzoku reviewers) increases the awareness of the show it actually also damages its reputation and can put off new potential viewers and/or enrage others so they wont watch the show with open mind but blinded with anger, so in the end it can do more harm than good, as well as it upsets the community Well its interesting to see the changes in scores, glad to see gintama a bit more up, definitely deserves it Funnily enough, all of this made me aware of the show. I'm going to watch it once it finished airing, just to see what this was all about and if it might actually be a decent show. Usually, I'm not the biggest Ecchi fan, so without all the attention I probably wouldn't have considered watching it, but it seems to have an unusual premise at least, so it might be worth a watch. |
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Cladocera said: borderliner said: There're more people started watching who rate it other than 1 or 10, and I suspect many would view it under a negative light so it's not that unbelievable. Score changes constantly, just because it was rising/dropping does not mean it will continue doing so. Examples.Hi Kineta, I find it troubling that IR got pushed back down to 7.57 which is a value it had passed by the 26th Jan. More so since it was trending up from the 22nd Jan - 31st Jan and this trend accelerated from the 1st Feb to the 4th Feb I strongly suspect you have punished legitimate accounts wishing to support this show. And tbh, any legit users that happened to be caused in the crossfire is unfortunate, but we can do nothing about that. It's a site-wide change, everyone bears the same risk. Nope, that's not the case. Strongest trend (outside of 10/10 and 1/10) is for 9/10, trending out the scores I make the likely figure 7.62 And that is completely ignoring the many legitimate users (myself included) who decided to rate this a 10/10 not because of Nux or anyone else but because "that's what we're allowed to do!!" |
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