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| It was to be expected, but yeah, this is better than the original. Hermes is awesome. |
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bdsbff said: I wondered about this too, although Kino added some conditions to his rules, it's partially the same : https://i.imgur.com/Msfd75z.jpgThe new rule Kino gave wasn't even the same. |
| Wonderful opening. Great episode again,but I got say that I liked the older version of this overall a bit more, even tho the new one also got a few things which were done better. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| I feel like i'm better off watching this without knowing the original cause this was really interesting to me and i understood what happened (saw the kill king coming as soon as Kino said he won't yield after he kills somebody in this country). Climax was really good. People are saying it was terrible, you guys are pretty biased, aren't you? |
| The colosseum arc was my favourite in the original series. For those who haven't already I do suggest checking it out because this episode was garbage in comparison! The original adaptation had this as a two parter. Each of the duels were longer with Kino facing a large number of formidable opponents. She was left in a bind at times and needed to rely on strategy in order to win. Not only that we also bear witness to the king as a character; a psycho power hungry dictator, and the divided society that he created. It gave Kino a good reason for deciding to kill him. In comparison this episode skipped these important parts and made Kino look like she killed the King and created chaos for no particular reason. The fight scenes were short in comparison; Kino never seemed to be in any sense of danger as she was beating her opponents effortlessly. Overall this wasn't a good episode; it had none of the morals and excitement of the original. |
Bondrewd did nothing wrong. |
| kinda disappointed because the remake of the episode wasn't as good as the original :( |
| "Even if it has good reviews, if I don't like it then it is shit" -Some random anime character |
| Wait, so did Kino seriously just spark a massive murderfest between all men women and children because of that couple from the beginning? That's....pretty hardcore, to be honest. |
| This episode is a great example of how bland the new adaptation is in direct comparison with the 2003 version. I could forgive a tasteless color palette or generic Kino's redisign aka emotionless doll or even freakin CGI Hermes, but this.. No words, just tears. Hopefully they will show more new stories, so there woould be atleast some volue in this adaptation. |
| damn kino i expected his new rule would be to appoint the kings son as the new leader but that suprised me, also the irony with hermes getting caught off guard because the dog riku talked lmao |
| That felt really rushed compared to the original and a lot of content was left out. Also they basically showed nothing of the fights which were pretty cool in the original. Well, this was bound to happen when two episodes is fit into one. At least they shouldn't be able to rush any more episodes because iirc that was the only two episodes story in the original. |
| And here goes another 4/5. I don't think the episode was rushed. I think it lacked some immediate context to understand and it cements Kino's morality as somewhat weird and extreme, missing emphasis on why Kino would take her revenge to such a large scale. Maybe fleshing out the reality of this country and its citizens more would have helped, but instead this was more about her revenge story. And I have to say, this motivation was not particularly well told. So many people are saying that it's worse than the Colosseum arc of the old Kino and I'm really mixed. Never got the huge appeal for this arc. I mean, it was entertaining and tense, yeah, but it was essentially two episodes of fights. This is not the kind of series for that. It felt like a missed opportunity to explore more environments by dragging out a story with filler action. If there's one thing I loved about this remake is how the action sequences are made how I think they should be: lifeless and irrelevant. Can't agree with you guys who talk about skipping the fights as a legit flaw. Whether it's better or worse than the original anime version, probably worse in general terms, doesn't matter much to me because this episode keeps delivering like the previous did, and particularly on how Kino views and acts towards the world. It's quite an intriguing personality; I'm not too much of a fan of the exaggerated contrasts the anime has brought with the side characters that talk with her but it surely works to describe her quietness and cold attitude. I guess part of the reason why this works less for many people here than the old version is because of the lack of verbal or narrative exposition that gives us a more proper measure of her mental/emotional state. Still, her little displays of distress through these conversations should have been more than enough to give an idea. |
jal90Oct 13, 2017 4:15 PM
nina444 said: Like what the others said, the main purpose of this episode is for the introduction of the new character. You can watch the original if you wantHow disappointing... really disappointing... this episode 2, only left bitter taste in my mouth its really lack character development, and the pacing is horrible.. its like 3 episode converted into 1 episode. |
| Wow, this was... bad. I'm so glad I watched the original before starting this show now. I was wondering why the character designs bothered me in this version and after seeing this redone edition of the king, I figured it out - they're boring! Everyone looks so boring! Kino especially looks dull as all hell. This was my hands down favourite part of the original and it was 100% because of how extra the king was. His look, his voice, his love of a puppet show that was just his own life story... It was crazy! It was fun! I had high hopes for this show after a guy got mobbed and stabbed in the very first ep but now I'm like :/ GoingInside said: gintamaben said: It pretty much exactly how it go in novel though, 2003 version added many original things included those puppet part, not to mentioned that the characters motivation are completely different in novel. So what? I don't care about the author's original intent, I care about the quality of the show. This show is notably worse than the 2003 version so far. I agree wholeheartedly with this. A real problem I've always had with anime fans is this attitude that adaptations should be just animating the source material word for word. No! Stop that! That's literally the opposite of what an adaptation is supposed to be - it's supposed to manipulate the story to suit a different type of media. Whilst this dialogue-heavy mess might have worked on paper, in a visual piece of work such as an anime, it needs to be changed. A failure to do that is just a bad adaptation, plain and simple, especially when it does something as unimaginative, boring and devoid of creativity as just copy/pasting everything from the novel. No matter how faithful it was, if it wasn't fun and engaging to watch (especially compared to a much lower budget and older rendition!) then it just wasn't good. |
| Uh... ok so the ending made more sense in the 2003 version since we got more background on the lifestyle the citizens live. Always a fan Nagi Yanagi but I prefer the original OP a bit more. |
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| Amazing OP. Well anyways... no gifs this time around. For some reason I can't get trim my gifs now. I like how Riku changed how he addressed Kino from -kun to -san after the dog whispered in his ear haha. Epic dog. That was cute. |
duderusOct 13, 2017 5:10 PM
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| When Kino shot the king, that sure gave me the wow-feeling and silent moment for a second. Solid episode. I like the OP. |
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 Well, that's a very J-Poppy opening. Pretty, mind you, but I'm fine with it. Anyways, I liked the opening few seconds where it seemed like a story book scene. That's really what I want the most, and while it wasn't much, I'll take what I can get. I noticed a lot of people talking about the use of CG in the past episode, and while I also have my own reservations about its use, I don't mind as long they mesh well enough. As it is, there's certainly a bit of conflicting aesthetics, so that'll definitely need to get worked on. For the episode itself, it really needed to have more darker locations. It's really brightly lit. Also, it feels like Kino's voice got a slight bit deeper in this particular episode. Kino definitely comes across as observant and curious, but I always felt like this particular story had Kino become too involved with the country. With this episode, Kino comes across as a bit too eager to fight. It's a minor bit, but I really wish at the beginning, we could have seen Kino's face under that hat instead of Kino's eyes being darkened. As in, have them seemed dulled out and contemplative, rather than having it seem like Kino was really taking the collusium issue personally from the start. During Kino's fight with Shizu, Kino's plan was spelt out explicitly with little subtlety. Also, the actual killing seemed almost out of nowhere. I understand the reasoning behind it, but by having the episode rushed as it did, it made Kino's motivation to completely ruin the country be Kino's meeting with that woman from the beginning and the story Kino heard from Hermes. It just seems so unlike Kino, whom I'd imagine only killing out of self-defense, rather than for the sake of another. Though, you can justify this by saying that Kino is, in fact, human, and is capable of acting irrationally, but it just seems very uncharacteristic, at least as Kino was portrayed. That, and holy crap the fights were rushed. That, and the OST is far too bombastic for its own good. The show really needs to calm itself down. With Shizu, he seems a little too happy to be fighting, at least from when he first walked into the colluseum. There was actually very little to his introduction, and he just suddenly appeared. The episode had a lot of information discussed in past tense, making for an awkward balance of action and dialogue. To address this, I would have suggested to leave more to visuals than spoken words. This really was rushed. jal90 said: And here goes another 4/5. I don't think the episode was rushed. I think it lacked some immediate context to understand and it cements Kino's morality as somewhat weird and extreme, missing emphasis on why Kino would take her revenge to such a large scale. Maybe fleshing out the reality of this country and its citizens more would have helped, but instead this was more about her revenge story. And I have to say, this motivation was not particularly well told. So many people are saying that it's worse than the Colosseum arc of the old Kino and I'm really mixed. Never got the huge appeal for this arc. I mean, it was entertaining and tense, yeah, but it was essentially two episodes of fights. This is not the kind of series for that. It felt like a missed opportunity to explore more environments by dragging out a story with filler action. If there's one thing I loved about this remake is how the action sequences are made how I think they should be: lifeless and irrelevant. Can't agree with you guys who talk about skipping the fights as a legit flaw. Whether it's better or worse than the original anime version, probably worse in general terms, doesn't matter much to me because this episode keeps delivering like the previous did, and particularly on how Kino views and acts towards the world. It's quite an intriguing personality; I'm not too much of a fan of the exaggerated contrasts the anime has brought with the side characters that talk with her but it surely works to describe her quietness and cold attitude. I guess part of the reason why this works less for many people here than the old version is because of the lack of verbal or narrative exposition that gives us a more proper measure of her mental/emotional state. Still, her little displays of distress through these conversations should have been more than enough to give an idea. Understandably, with the two iterations being made more than a decade apart, they're bound to be different. Though, as a thought, for the people who enjoyed the original more, they can go back and watch the original. I definitely felt that the 2003 version handled this story better, but having this newer adaptation repeat the story 1:1 would feel like a waste of an opportunity to do something different. I do like that the 2017 version didn't try to copy the first anime, but I wonder if it was necessary to stay more true to the light novel, rather than taking an alternate route and perform its own interpretation. |
ShockedOct 13, 2017 5:56 PM
| IDK why, but something about the art style kind of didn't impress me this episode, even though it didn't bother me the last time, maybe it was the babes around the king that just made me realize how more generic and stuff the art style is now, idk just changes the mood of the show for me. Been awhile since I saw the old anime, still, seeing the old anime doesn't really make me hate this. Maybe I compartmentalize better, but I really enjoyed this episode. Think this episode could of done better with the wife though, it made it seem almost a mystery why she sent Kino there, but I'm sure its meant to be that she knew Kino could do something but idk if the show built up the idea that Kino should be that badass for it to me obvious she'd be able to survive. |
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| so good. good op and ed. masterpiece |
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| i never really liked this arc in the older version, but in comparison to this version, the 2003 one is better. |
| N.etorare T.echnical R.esearcher |
| The social commentary that I loved about the original anime isn't as prevalent in this reboot. This episode felt a bit hollow, and contrived. What was the point in making the town's people fight each other? Kino's actions had clearer justification in the 2003 version. 3/5 |
aikaflipNov 3, 2017 9:55 AM
| I thought that they rushed the arc compared to the original, but looks like it was the other way: the old version anime original content. I prefer the old version, but this episode was enjoyable nonetheless. |
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radle said: Why am I reading comments on what Kino did was a bad thing? Did some of you above pay any attention to the episode at all? The King ruled the way he wanted to being a selfish prick after murdering his father and also getting rid of anybody else who opposed him then his own wife could not handle his reign and killed herself and outcasted his own children but the worst part was the people in the city who at first objected to it at first but went along with it eventually even allowing trash that greeted Kino at the gate to the city to make that arena on the basis of fighting/killing other for sport/citizenship. It was all set when Kino found out the rules, backstory and the condition of stray bullets as he get rid of the King then as victor proceeded to do what he said to the crowd in order to be the next ruler. Everybody there got what they had before (just without a King now) which was chaos but only on a much larger scale and a big prize to participate in just as they enjoyed watching others kill people for sports now they get to do it to one another. Kino got the worst of it if no one can believe that by his reaction at the lake. What a great episode. As someone who hasn't watched the 2003 version, this was what I also got out from the episode. Unless that's not what we were supposed to conclude, this was obviously the reason why Kino wasn't just being an asshole. From what I've read about comparisons of this episode to the 2003 version, seems like they just fleshed out the events more, but the fleshing out was not necessary (not saying it's bad) imo for the same conclusion to be reached with the information that was shown in this episode alone. Sure it may take a few more moments to think about, but again, all the information needed was presented. I did wonder for a moment why Kino would want such a cruel thing to happen to the country, for the citizens to fight, but I remembered that Hermes said the contestants were fighting for citizenship, yet isn't it cruel for the spectators, who're citizens, to be watching and enjoying these fights? Is it really so cruel to "make" the citizens fight? And like Hermes told the guard, "If you don't want to die, you should leave the country." Kino's rule doesn't stop anyone from leaving the country either. Most people who're fighting at the end probably wants to be the King for selfish purposes. That being said, I have watched the first episode of the 2003 anime, and I have to say, I do like the atmosphere there better than in this series. It felt more mundane? More calm? More like a slice of life adventure. I was really surprised when Riku spoke lol. My mom was next to me and asked me why I was surprised a dog talked in anime, but I told her it's because there are anime that wouldn't surprise me if a dog talked, but this one wasn't one of them. Anyways, I don't think we'll see Shizu soon, but I'm interested in seeing him again, who the story seemed to have set up mystery around him. |
ButadonMeitante said: but... I'm starting to think this series is not about the 'beautiful world' whatsoever... I think Hermes said it best: "I don't know if this world is beautiful, but it's certainly vast." |
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| As a newcomer to Kino's Journey and watching this series first, I actually enjoyed the episode a lot! Though I do agree the fights themselves felt rushed, I was really engaged and am currently loving the show so far. And I keep finding myself anticipating for the next episode xD Lerche's animation for the show is really pretty and the visuals are quite beautiful, in my opinion. And I appreciate how the episodes end it to where it leaves the viewer up to interpretation, and I love the deeper meanings the show has too. I do acknowledge that many people who watched the 2003 ver. love that a lot more, which I can understand bc i've felt the same way about another show too. I've also gotten around to watching a few episodes from it as well. However, I still like the new Kino's Journey and find myself appreciating it as its own piece of work nonetheless. It is a shame though seeing the hate this adaptation is having ;; But as a person who just started getting into the series bc of this 2017 remake, I can't wait to see more :) |
| I found it interesting how they changed the interaction between Hermes and Riku, In the 2003 version he had a few conversations with him between the 2 parts, where as in this version he was surprised he could talk at the end of this ep. As an anime only watcher im not sure which was in the novels, I found it odd. But I did also find it weird that they remade this ep only to speed through everything though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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ThatCynicalOtaku said: This was the worst episode of Kino's Journey, I have ever seen. -Kino completely breaks character -The Colosseum story is a complete rehash from the one in season 1 -There is absolutely nothing bizarre about this episode, even though this is Kino's Journey Lol no she doesn't. And considering both anime adapted the same ln arc, why did you expect it to be any different than the original? Even then the original was more fleshed out. |
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| as a new comer to the series, Kino pisses me off this episode. First she's using firearms and for being hypocritical for calling out prince's revenge as stupid. the good part that I found my shipping |
sroque said: As a someone who has seen the 2003 anime and read this chapter of the LN, this episode was far more faithful to the LN. That said, I don't think this episode was particularly worse than the 2003 2-episode adaptation. For the reasons why, view the spoilers for the 2003 version below: This. Bravo! Couldn't have been worded better. For those wary of the spoiler tag, the summary is this: the LN version and this version focused on the theme of Revenge, the 2003 anime softened that theme and emphasized something broader: Motivation. They are different interpretations of a story with the same general plot. That's why many new viewers are still getting the point and enjoying this episode. |
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hithummah said: being hypocritical for calling out prince's revenge as stupid. Precisely, in doing so, she admits that what she did was also stupid. :D |
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| I like this reboot so far, but I can't say that the OP or ED compare to those of the original. Same goes, broadly speaking, for the rest of the soundtrack. It's not a dealbreaker at all, but just a comment. I hope that this gets people excited about a very very cool set of light novels, as well as getting more attention for the original series. |
| Upon reflection, this version of "Colosseum" was not nearly as intense and compelling as the original series. I definitely feel like this reboot may be amping up the pace to appeal to current audience expectations, but it doesn't work for me. I hope that this will change. Many people have noted Mushishi as a similar anime, but that show has more in common, so far, with the original Kino no Tabi anime. |
Shocked said: This is the best post I've seen in this entire threadWell, that's a very J-Poppy opening. Pretty, mind you, but I'm fine with it. Anyways, I liked the opening few seconds where it seemed like a story book scene. That's really what I want the most, and while it wasn't much, I'll take what I can get. I noticed a lot of people talking about the use of CG in the past episode, and while I also have my own reservations about its use, I don't mind as long they mesh well enough. As it is, there's certainly a bit of conflicting aesthetics, so that'll definitely need to get worked on. For the episode itself, it really needed to have more darker locations. It's really brightly lit. Also, it feels like Kino's voice got a slight bit deeper in this particular episode. Kino definitely comes across as observant and curious, but I always felt like this particular story had Kino become too involved with the country. With this episode, Kino comes across as a bit too eager to fight. It's a minor bit, but I really wish at the beginning, we could have seen Kino's face under that hat instead of Kino's eyes being darkened. As in, have them seemed dulled out and contemplative, rather than having it seem like Kino was really taking the collusium issue personally from the start. During Kino's fight with Shizu, Kino's plan was spelt out explicitly with little subtlety. Also, the actual killing seemed almost out of nowhere. I understand the reasoning behind it, but by having the episode rushed as it did, it made Kino's motivation to completely ruin the country be Kino's meeting with that woman from the beginning and the story Kino heard from Hermes. It just seems so unlike Kino, whom I'd imagine only killing out of self-defense, rather than for the sake of another. Though, you can justify this by saying that Kino is, in fact, human, and is capable of acting irrationally, but it just seems very uncharacteristic, at least as Kino was portrayed. That, and holy crap the fights were rushed. That, and the OST is far too bombastic for its own good. The show really needs to calm itself down. With Shizu, he seems a little too happy to be fighting, at least from when he first walked into the colluseum. There was actually very little to his introduction, and he just suddenly appeared. The episode had a lot of information discussed in past tense, making for an awkward balance of action and dialogue. To address this, I would have suggested to leave more to visuals than spoken words. This really was rushed. jal90 said: And here goes another 4/5. I don't think the episode was rushed. I think it lacked some immediate context to understand and it cements Kino's morality as somewhat weird and extreme, missing emphasis on why Kino would take her revenge to such a large scale. Maybe fleshing out the reality of this country and its citizens more would have helped, but instead this was more about her revenge story. And I have to say, this motivation was not particularly well told. So many people are saying that it's worse than the Colosseum arc of the old Kino and I'm really mixed. Never got the huge appeal for this arc. I mean, it was entertaining and tense, yeah, but it was essentially two episodes of fights. This is not the kind of series for that. It felt like a missed opportunity to explore more environments by dragging out a story with filler action. If there's one thing I loved about this remake is how the action sequences are made how I think they should be: lifeless and irrelevant. Can't agree with you guys who talk about skipping the fights as a legit flaw. Whether it's better or worse than the original anime version, probably worse in general terms, doesn't matter much to me because this episode keeps delivering like the previous did, and particularly on how Kino views and acts towards the world. It's quite an intriguing personality; I'm not too much of a fan of the exaggerated contrasts the anime has brought with the side characters that talk with her but it surely works to describe her quietness and cold attitude. I guess part of the reason why this works less for many people here than the old version is because of the lack of verbal or narrative exposition that gives us a more proper measure of her mental/emotional state. Still, her little displays of distress through these conversations should have been more than enough to give an idea. Understandably, with the two iterations being made more than a decade apart, they're bound to be different. Though, as a thought, for the people who enjoyed the original more, they can go back and watch the original. I definitely felt that the 2003 version handled this story better, but having this newer adaptation repeat the story 1:1 would feel like a waste of an opportunity to do something different. I do like that the 2017 version didn't try to copy the first anime, but I wonder if it was necessary to stay more true to the light novel, rather than taking an alternate route and perform its own interpretation. You hit the nail on the head with just about everything and although I think that it's nice that this was closer to the LN, I agree with you in regards to wishing that this new anime chose to do something different like the 2003 one did (Or even just remaster the 2003 version) |
hithummah said: as a new comer to the series, Kino pisses me off this episode. First she's using firearms and for being hypocritical for calling out prince's revenge as stupid. the good part that I found my shipping At the risk of being seen as ignorant, what's that pic from? I obv saw the title on the img but Google did not help. Thanks! |
| Nagi Yanagi is very busy this Fall Season, OP & ED are both performed by her and another series this season (just because!) anywayz, that was a nice sharpshooter of Kino to assassinate the current king of that country! 4/5. |
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| while Kino didn't break any rules still feels messed up to do with the theme of the episode revenge really is foolish as a anime only watcher i wish so much wasn't spelled out for me not much room for me to think about when it's gonna be explained fully by the end |
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| Kino original was many many years ago and barely remember anything from that I dont understand the part where Kino met the wife of the carriage on the start the wife was sparred she yield to her husband but husband died on the next round then what happened to her and able to get out from that country ? in which the wife kinda plans Kino to intervene to that country but Kino is an observer for every country travels to |
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