| I mean, in 2009 we already considered 90's stuff to be "older anime", so is it? Also, more of a side question, why do when people say they "prefer older anime" they only refer to 90's and cherrypicked 80's stuff, never something from the 70's or 60's? |
| I've seen people saying that some shows of the 2010's are old, so yeah, I think most people think so. I think that old animes is anything pre 2000's. 90's and 80's are kinda in the same bag usually. |
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thewiru said: Most people haven't lived through those pre-2k eras of anime. They've probably lived through some of the 2ks at best since that's when it started becoming more accessible and mainstream. So early 2k in that context is older, considering it's coming up on 2 decades ago now.I mean, in 2009 we already considered 90's stuff to be "older anime", so is it? Also, more of a side question, why do when people say they "prefer older anime" they only refer to 90's and cherrypicked 80's stuff, never something from the 70's or 60's? |
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| what people call old always depends on their age and how long they've been watching anime but from a neutral perspective I think drawing the line around 2000 makes the most sense because that is when the transition from cel animation to digitally assisted animation happened and anime got its 'modern' look. As for the second question I always make sure to include the 70s because I love that decade but the 60s don't really have many attractive titles for me, at least now subbed ones. I feel like in the 60s the industry was still in kid's shoes in terms of visuals and in the 70s it really started to come together and in the 80s it had a first peak in that regard with tons of OVAs being created just as a playground for animators without much focus on the story so it is understandable that a lot of people start their perception at the 80s. Another factor might be that the OVA boom started in the 80s and with it also the presence of anime as a subculture in the west on a larger scale. Plus it's easier to watch a couple of old OVAs with a few eps each than whole TV Series and that's mostly what the 70s offer so the 80s and 90s are more accessible via OVAs. Aside from movies tho, but cinematic releases are kind of seperate for me. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| I consider anime of the early 2000's old since I started watching anime. |
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| They are old, but they're not necessarily "classic" or "retro". Today's anime will never be retro for example, because that's a style, not "old stuff". |
| For me: Current = Made within the last 5 years (2015-2019) Recent = Made within the last 10 Years (2009-2019) So yeah, it's been "old" for a while now, but so what? It hasn't made it any less enjoyable. |
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| 2000s anime aren't modern but I wouldn't call them old either, but it depends on the perspective like Pullman said. As for the second question, I'll take a guess that many people don't dive into 70s anime right away but start with 90s and then gradually pick up older shows if they're interested, at least that's what I do. As for 60s it's a different story, cause those anime are usually black&white according to what I've seen (I mean yt clips/trailers etc, cause I haven't finished any 60s anime yet, although the old Dororo piqued my interest and I might watch it someday), and even if you generally like older style it doesn't mean you're also interested in something this archaic. |
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| Early 2000s can now count as old. Next year is 2020, we are going to enter new decade soon. Can’t wait until the day we call SAO old and retro. |
| It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person. |
| Maybe anime 2000-2001 are considered old, but not anything after that. |
| Until 2000, I´d say yes. Later than that, gotta wait a little bit more. |
| "Could you not talk with me? I'm busy breathing." |
| Anything under 2010 is old imo. We are almost done with this decade and will soon start a new one in just less than a year. |
| Not really. In my opinion, an Anime has to be pre-1995 to truly be "Old School Anime." Perhaps once we enter the 2020s, and the millennium is over 20 years ago, I'll consider the late 90s to be old school, but not quite yet. |
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| I think early 2000s titles have been considered "old anime" for awhile now, for at least 4-5 years if not more. Maybe even longer than that: consider that this thread, "Do you guys feel low graphics watching those ~2003 anime now?", is from 2010. For most of the 2000s and into early 2010s, the cel -> digital transition in 2000 was regarded as the dividing line. However, early 2000s shows were still finding their legs on a technical level, figuring out new production processes. And there were still some cel-painted holdovers in 2000-2001, like Ceres: Celestial Legend, Figure 17, and Noir. Most titles from that time were made in 4:3, and nearly all were made in SD (notable exceptions: Ghost in the Shell: SAC, Samurai 7, 12 Kingdoms), thus making them less appealing to newer viewers used to HD resolutions and 16:9 content. It was about 2006 (specifically the Fall season) when 16:9 became the clear majority, and not coincidentally, that's when several of the major franchises and titles that people are generally willing to go back to began. Like Code Geass, Death Note, Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Ouran HS Host Club, and Gurren Lagann (2007). Contrast that with some of the most-hyped and popular (according to AniDB user counts) titles of 2003: stuff like Last Exile, Gungrave, Scrapped Princess, Rumbling Hearts, Wolf's Rain, and the now-nonexistent Tsukihime, which don't get that degree of attention anymore. AniDB's top 2 of 2003, FMA and FMP? Fumoffu may retain relevancy because of their sequels/remakes. Perhaps 2004's Elfen Lied fares best among standalone titles from that era, due to its SAO-like levels of "Popularity * Hatred" metrics. Though with the quickening advance of the new/old dividing line, I wonder if some of this year's 2-cour Fall anime will be dropped by viewers as "so last decade" in January 2020. |
ZalisJan 7, 2019 6:23 PM
| Reminder that soon kiddies will be asking for recommendation with nothing before 2020. I do look forward to the "everything old is bad" group to get butthurt when their favourite 2010s anime gets called old shit. |
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ReaperCreeper said: Reminder that soon kiddies will be asking for recommendation with nothing before 2020. I do look forward to the "everything old is bad" group to get butthurt when their favourite 2010s anime gets called old shit. I don't think so, the overall quality isn't going that well. |
 In most cases, the MAL Average Scores don't mean anything, here is a question: were the works made before 2000 all shit? Why are they so damn scarce in the Top 50? Think about how MAL is quite literally a filtered amount of the Anime fanbase. Here's a timeline of the Top 15 in which you can check that, almost always, the scores are affected by the freshness, popularity and other factors that have nothing to do with quality. |
| To my eyes, in movies, tv series and media in general, at least 20 years must pass before starting to consider any work as "old". For example, I still can't see the first Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings movies (which came in 2001) as "old movies"... the same will apply with anime from the time. So we still have 1 or 2 more years to go... |
| It's been almost 20 years. Yes, it is old. The way I see it, with entertainment, 10 years is enough to call something old. |
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| I would say anything pre 2000 is old. For what I consider anime to become old is once the year the anime started to air is 20 years apart from the current year. |
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thewiru said: Also, more of a side question, why do when people say they "prefer older anime" they only refer to 90's and cherrypicked 80's stuff, never something from the 70's or 60's? 1. Oldest people here are 30+ so their first animes on TV were mainly from the 80s and the 90s. Well I am 45 but there weren't many animes available in my country when I was little. To this day I have watched about one and a half animes from the 60s. 2. Right now there are almost none available animes from the 60s and 70s. Gundam 0079 (it's almost a 80s show), Lupin III and Ashita no Joe is that all? Well also maybe some Leiji stuff like Yamato and Harlock. |
alshuJan 8, 2019 3:15 AM
| Yeah it's old :( Just show the animes before 2010 to newcomers, except for the classics like Bakemonogatari, FMAB or Natsume Yuujinchou they will just be like "what is this" Winter 2009 list Before 2007, it's like SUPER old |
| No way 2007 will always be the golden year. They can accept the past or live in ignorance. |
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Turnip said: No way 2007 will always be the golden year. They can accept the past or live in ignorance. Yes can you believe it... we're old fags now  2000s kids will soon take over the world |
| I consider 90s and anime before that as old but 2000s anime are also a bit old 2 |
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| I once started a poll about this question. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1712961 |
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ReaperCreeper said: Reminder that soon kiddies will be asking for recommendation with nothing before 2020. I do look forward to the "everything old is bad" group to get butthurt when their favourite 2010s anime gets called old shit. please, by that point that group will have already lost interest in anime and grown out of that phase and will be replaced by a new group who just change what they call old. It's an endless cycle of one generation of casuals replacing the next every few years and only being interested in the titles from the handful of year surrounding the year they got into anime. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| i remember the golden age of anime when they still released good stuff like kimi no na wa ;-; |
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| In retrospect, it's old. There's no stopping the cycle of life. |
| For me, the divide between what I think of as old and new is more or less the switch from hand painted to digitally colored. |
| Any anime older than 10 years I count as older anime. |
| I think yes,almost 20 years has passed |
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| I feel it is fair to assume anything before 20-30 years from the present time-frame to be classified as old, as it usually represents the generation gap between humans. |
alshu said: thewiru said: Also, more of a side question, why do when people say they "prefer older anime" they only refer to 90's and cherrypicked 80's stuff, never something from the 70's or 60's? 1. Oldest people here are 30+ so their first animes on TV were mainly from the 80s and the 90s. Well I am 45 but there weren't many animes available in my country when I was little. To this day I have watched about one and a half animes from the 60s. 2. Right now there are almost none available animes from the 60s and 70s. Gundam 0079 (it's almost a 80s show), Lupin III and Ashita no Joe is that all? Well also maybe some Leiji stuff like Yamato and Harlock. There Is actually a fair amount available from the 70s, but I don't think there is for the 60s with the exception of some movies. Aside from Lupin, Gundam and Leiji there's also: 1. The other Dezaki stuff aside from Joe (Rose of Versailles, Takarajima, Ie Naki Ko, Ace wo Nerae) which are all fantastic shows in their own right. 2. Tezuka/Mushi Productions artsy/erotic movie trilogy consisting of Senya Ichiya Monogatari, Cleopatra and Kanashima no Belladonna (the first one is even from the 60s)) which look amazing and have really creative visuals. 3. The old Takahata Isao stuff including the likes of Akage no Anne, Flanders no Inu, Haha wo Tazunete Sanzenri, Alps no Shoujo Heidi, Panda Kopanda and Taiyou no Ouji: Horus no Daibouken which all show his talent already that he would later mostly pour into Ghibli Movies. 4. Mirai Shounen Conan, Miyazaki's first and I think only TV anime. And that's just the stuff I'd recommend most, there's plenty of other titles from that decade that are available subbed and that I liked, for example Genshi Shounen Ryuu, Arabian Nights, Cutey Honey, Taro the Dragon Boy or Chirin no Suzu (especially the last one). Plus a ton of shorts including some from people who became industry greats in their own ways like Tezuka or Kawamoto. It really is an underrated decade in my opinion. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Idk, for me the cut off line between older and newer anime is usualy around 2000, mostly because of the visual changes. |
Pullman said: There Is actually a fair amount available from the 70s, but I don't think there is for the 60s with the exception of some movies. Aside from Lupin, Gundam and Leiji there's also: 1. The other Dezaki stuff aside from Joe... Yeah I was talking about availability on places like CrunchyRoll, HiDive, Netflix ect. The ones you mentionеd are more of the kind "Overpriced DVD BOX collections on Amazon". Yes I agree that the 70s are grossly underappreciated but there are other reasons for that except ignorance. |
| I think it is really based on what you watch. I think of it as old because I watch a lot of new stuff. I think someone who watches older stuff than 2000's might consider it still a bit newer. |
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| I think it's got to with the art style and how the anime itself looks visually. 90's anime, early 2000's anime and 2010's anime all look drastically different from each other in an artistic sense |
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LiedElfen said: The 20's are still very recent though so i don't consider it older anime comoared to today. very recent? 9/11 happen in 2001, I was a kid at that time. That is a long ass time to call recent imo. The old nokia phones were popular that time, the internet wasn't mainstream at the time etc. A lot has change for it to be considered recent. |
| It's 2019. People who haven't lived bofere 2000 are adults now and they have barely any memories from before the mid-2000s. I think most members and especially most active members are these teens and young adults here. Naturally for them an anime that came out around the time they were born will be old anime and even stuff from around 2010 can easily be considered by them as old. |
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