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ramenshojo said: Zuihou said: I don't get why they are stopping Togo. Isn't she doing the right thing? Togo has a completely different goal from the rest of the club. She wants to end the suffering of the Heroes, present and future by essentially destroying the world (by killing Shinju). The others want to preserve the world for the rest of humanity while willingly sacrificing themselves, and essentially, future Heroes too. Basically, it all boils down to whether or not one believes in the Hero System - if the sacrifice of the few is worth the peace for the many. Exactly. It's the classic utilitarian "Needs of the Many" debate. Is it justifiable for a society to allow a few people to suffer in order to preserve the happiness (or in this case, the lives) of many thousands of others? It's a difficult problem, because there's no easy answer (no matter what you choose, someone's going to suffer for it), and it's been explored in fiction before, most notably Ursula LeGuin's "Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas," and of course in Star Trek. It's also something Shirou continually struggles with in Fate/Stay Night. Shirou's answer to the problem is complete self-denial; he would sacrifice his body without a second thought and take the whole burden of suffering on himself if it meant preserving everyone else's happiness. Togo's answer is different - she's rejecting the notion that anyone should have to suffer for others' happiness, effectively siding with the outer gods in believing that a human society requiring such a price to survive is one not worth saving. But Shinju did apparently believe that human society was worth saving, whatever its reasons were, and so far the other girls have taken the same position. The key to how this ends is going to be Yuki's own solution to the problem, whether she follows Shirou's (and Karin's) path of self-sacrifice, joins Togo in rejecting Omelas and walking away, or finds a successful third option somewhere. |
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| Every episode I like this series more and more. I do wish they explored the world a bit more, especially early on, but the recent episodes have been rather impressive. I wonder how next episode will end it. |
| Honestly don't think Togo is in the wrong...though that probably cause I want this to have a bad ending. |
| I don't get why so many people want a bad ending for this series... There are plenty of ways this series could have a good or bittersweet style of ending without it being some sort of asspull. (bad in the sense of downer ending rather than badly done obviously. Or at least I hope that's what they mean) |
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kuuderes_shadow said: I don't get why so many people want a bad ending for this series... There are plenty of ways this series could have a good or bittersweet style of ending without it being some sort of asspull. (bad in the sense of downer ending rather than badly done obviously. Or at least I hope that's what they mean) Well, some people consider bitersweet to be bad so it's really relative. |
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| It's not Madoka. Even bittersweet ending is impossible probably. In the end we'll just find out who Takahiro himself considers right: Yuuna or Mimori? |
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| Holy damn this episode O.O it was amazing |
 "In the past few months since we met, I've shared many memories with Nagato. Though I've also shared memories with Haruhi, Asahina-san and Koizumi, I found that I've experienced more events with Nagato in particular. In fact, every situation seems to involve her. I might as well mention this, she's probably the only person to cause the bell within me to shake the most vigorously..." ~ Kyon, TMOSH |
| Dont even know who to side with. Looks like it was another screaming girls episode. RIP ears, thanks earbuds |
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| we all say that we hate cliches. aren't happy endings cliche themselves? they pretty much happen in most animes. it's funny... the endings we want to have but don't get... end up being ranked high on MAL. |
| karin-chaaann T___T you were amazing! |
| Oh god no... I was hoping Karin would be okay but that's just wishful thinking... She fought so hard, she lost the use of her limbs, her hearing and her eyesight... She's lost so much to make up for Togo's stupid mistake and Togo even shot at Fu-senpai and Itsuki! Yuna needs to stop her before she does anything else... Albeit I can't expect a happy ending with what's happened to Karin and what might happen to the rest of the Heroes... T^T Really sad episode |
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| God all this screaming! D: LOL! But damn..... I feel bad for freaking Karin, she went Mankai 4 times. Four. Fucking. Times. Holy shit. She lost her vision, hearing, her right arm and leg! D: Ugh......And now Togo went Mankai too~!? And she wants to destroy this..... And then......Yuuna..... And......oh man......this is a whole turning point for this anime. D: I thought it was gonna be peaceful! ;_; |
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Actually while I was rewatching episode 3 when Karin was introduced, I found an interesting thing when Itsuki did a tarot card reading on Karin.  She got a death card which actually is a foreshadow of Karin's current situation...Sigh... As well as her own singing... I supposed the director really does put in a lot of hints in which may seem harmless or passed as comedy material...It is only until the real deal hit, we audience feel that effect now...(Karin chan...-_-) |
DarkWillDec 23, 2014 10:28 PM
| I overlooked this anime before and finally caught up to the latest episode but man..! This series probably the Anime of The Season for me! It started generic, peaceful slice of life mahou shoujo thingie, later on, it became more dramatic, depressing and despair, and I love it! Kudos to all the staff! I do agree with Togou tbh, I mean better end the fight entirely by destroying the Shinju itself rather than fight the vertex non stop and lose physical abilities over time. The others should really agree and help togou to destroy the Shinju. Karin what are you doing..! awesome fight btw Welp final episode next, I will not expect a happy ending but at least please let Yuna live at the end... T.T [s]They better not ruin the series by making something cliche like deus ex machina ending.[s] |
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DarkWill said: Actually while I was rewatching episode 3 when Karin was introduced, I found an interesting thing when Itsuki did a tarot card reading on Karin. She got a death card which actually is a foreshadow of Karin's current situation...Sigh... As well as her own singing... I supposed the director really does put in a lot of hints in which may seem harmless or passed as comedy material...It is only until the real deal hit, we audience feel that effect now...(Karin chan...-_-) And did you see what happened at the last part of episode 4 when Itsuki happened to drop her bag from the table right after she decided to apply the music contest? *sigh* [spoiler]  [[spoiler] |
| What's funny about those death omens early on is that several people on the early episode threads (including me) were quick to point out that the Death card actually represents transformation, not necessarily literal death, so depending on the other cards it isn't always a bad reading. Well the girls sure got transformed alright...into a state that's arguably worse than death. Incidentally, that screencap up there of Itsuki's tarot reading for Karin - the three cards shown from left to right are the Devil (representing the person's shadow/id side), the Tower (representing sudden change/upheaval or potential disaster), and Death (representing transformation/transition) - basically the three scariest cards in the whole deck. |
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| Looks like Togo just wanted to accelerate the destruction of the world. Well that's one way. And kinda understandable considering what awaits them in the future (death or living as basically dead unable to die even if they wanted to). Okay. That's heavy. Karin went all out and lost an arm a leg and all means to communicate properly(sure she can talk but she can't hear anymore). Curious how they gonna end this. Of course. They couldn't just let "evil" win. Yuna had to be ready again >.> Well one more episode. This can't end in a way I'll like I guess. |
| Karin blind and deaf. I would rather kill myself, honestly. So much suffering. |
| Wow, oh my god Karin. Words can't even describe how heartbreaking that was. |
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| Oh boy that was intense! I really wonder how they'll finish it! |
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| No!!! Karin-chan ;_; |
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| Narration quite dramatic and action-packed, it seems almost a fight to the massacre in which, however, do not try to use your head, it's one way. I am not involved 100% for this reason, but I look forward to see the next episode, to draw conclusions. Drawings and excellent animations, good choreography of the fights. |
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| FFF late again. Too bad for Karin, the last one to bloom but already lost 2 very important senes, Vison and Hearing. I pity for you. The BGM is getting in to me! I wonder if Yuuna will go on Madoka sacrifice plot. |
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| Karin! Blooming 4 times in a row... poor girl is now blind, deaf, and cant use her right arm or leg. The others didn't get hit nearly as hard. She did beat them all on her own though. |
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| They are living in lies. There is something bad with this series when I want for Togou-san to succeed. Taisha really should be destroyed not only because of his manipaluations. (though I still don't get the reasoning behind Touga's conviction that with destroying Taisha they would be free as Taisha is keeping this world together but well). Wouldn't suprise me at all if this all was just one little play they did for children in Yuusha club. The end. |
| That Karin-chan fight was awesome and badass. But it was also painful to watch. Everytime she used Mankai I was like "NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO" And I actually agree with Togo. Destroy the damn Taisha and Shinju-sama. I'd rather destroy than prolong the world. |
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| I already expected Karin would sacrifice a lot but still, it was really sad. Yuna vs Togo on the final episode! One last episode... |
| Everytime Karin went Mankai I cried a little bit more. Fuck. |
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| You either die a hero (lol), or live long enough to see yourself destroying the Sacred Tree. -Tougou |
| I haven't seen such a lot of despair since Madoka. Holy fuck. |
| For some reason i felt like Karin sacrifice was kinda forced. Still, for her who was raised only to fight, it was a brave move worthy of a hero. |
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| Karin... it's so suffering to watch her slowly withering. Damn.. why you do this anime T_T I love Karin so much, now she's just another HanaKana character. Dead inside. Karin is probably the best character I see. Although Tougou is really annoying now. She wants to destroy everything that all her friends have fought for. That HanaKana character that sacrificed 21x will be gone to nothing if she destroy that tree. |
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| KARINNNN-CHAAAAANN NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Why ??? Why are did she do that. Poor girl lost her limbs, hearing and eyesight. Damn, My heart was shattered into peices when i saw karin-chan like that. |
Mikoshiba-sanNov 29, 2015 12:48 PM
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| Damn. I had a feeling Karin would go Ban...I mean Mankai and that she would give it her all and lose something big. |
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
| woww everyone tryna stop togo.... seriously karin's current state is worst than being dead... |
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| The yelling of the Hero Club tenets is so fucking cringy. I don't know who thought this would be a good idea, but they were wrong. Shame. This show started out good and went bad with unnecessary /typical stereotypes and over the top depression for no reason. Ugh. |
| Lemme smang it girl. |
| Karin really put a show, I wanted to embrace her myself and say good work! Poor Karin, also Tougou Mimori, be a good girl and let Yunna stop you!! |
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| I also don't think Togo is doing the wrong thing tbh lol. It's better to be dead than to slowly lose the use of your senses and limbs and eventually end up a vegetable in bed forever and ever, unable to do anything for yourself or even TO die. I shed tears over Karin thooooooo. Was so horrified when she kept going Mankai over and over. "Did you see my awesome fight?" fbjgsfhgjdshbh |
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| OP Song: 3/5 Karin Bankai form is quite epic! The way she owned them single handedly is BA! I wish for a happy ending, please Takahiro-sama!!! 4.4/5 |
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