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Apr 26, 2009 5:46 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Akio is a horrible man. Utena loves Anthy and Anthy loves Utena when are they going to realise.

Aug 31, 2009 9:48 AM
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This episode was so amazing it was almost delicious.
Nov 14, 2010 5:16 PM
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I love Akio's manwhore-ness.

I'm beginning to like Anthy a lot more =/
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Dec 18, 2010 8:31 AM
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Akio is very, very creepy.
Mar 18, 2011 2:59 PM
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Alicia3000 said:

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Akio is a horrible man. Utena loves Anthy and Anthy loves Utena when are they going to realise.


Agreed, wish they would come to there senses already.

Kanae's mom is a milf.
Apr 16, 2011 11:38 AM
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Alicia3000 said:
Utena loves Anthy and Anthy loves Utena when are they going to realise.

Nah, I'd say Utena loves whoever she sees as the Prince, who might be Anthy's soul or something. Anthy is too creepy to figure out. They're certainly close though.

Akio is relentless. He's got like four seductions going at once
May 10, 2011 5:30 PM
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Akio is pretty gar, you get the feeling Utena will come out of this stronger though don't you?
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Jul 3, 2011 5:11 AM
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Omg! That Akio fucks anything with two legs!
Jul 9, 2011 8:30 PM
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Really strong episode, maybe the best one so far. I really like Utena, so I hope she comes to her senses.
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Aug 9, 2011 3:58 PM

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I think Kanae's Mother is the one they call "End of The World".
Her voice sounds like the one in that episode when Touga talks on the phone with the End of The World.
Aug 17, 2011 9:49 AM

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wow Akio... i think he beats even Touga as a playboy and schemer

"lately i have seen this car a lot" haha...
Sep 16, 2011 3:57 AM
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Akio is such a smooth player. Poor Utena.
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Nov 1, 2011 9:00 PM
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I love Akio's manwhore-ness.

I'm beginning to like Anthy a lot more =/
Agreed and agreed.
The less screentime Anthy gets, the more I like her, it seems xD
Dec 9, 2011 10:02 AM

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Alicia3000 said:
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Akio is a horrible man. Utena loves Anthy and Anthy loves Utena when are they going to realise.


No just no...

Anyways pretty good episode. Akio is definitely a playboy.
Jan 3, 2012 2:05 AM

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I thought something very different was going to happen on the car ride (something supernatural). Anyway awesome episode and wow he is a player, just like every other male in this series (Miki of course being the exception to the rule).
Jan 8, 2012 2:04 PM
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i'm so disappointed in Utena.. first was Touga.. now Akio.. lool.. so Utena's type are playboys who manipulate others.. cool having the protagonist favor guys like that

regardless of who Utena ends up with in the last episode, i'm already disappointed in what has happened with her love life.. i feel like i'm forcing myself to watch this now that i'm only a few episodes away to complete this..

hope something changes big time.. not just Utena realizing what Akio's been doing with Anthy and all.. but something more.. hope that happens.. if not i'm going to be sad..
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Jan 28, 2012 1:06 PM

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Anthy was so creepy in this episode, especially her Buh-byeeeee, but that makes me like her even more now

btw, one of the best quote i've ever heard on an anime, come from Wakaba
"There was no such thing as "wrong" love. That you can't help it when you fall for someone. But there are some people you shouldn't fall in love with."
Apr 11, 2012 11:29 AM
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I cant believe it. Finally, an episode that actually seems to be building towards something and makes me interested in what happens next. Just a shame it took 30 fucking episodes to get to this point.
May 3, 2012 4:18 AM

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It just keeps getting stranger. Some bits made me think of David Lynch. Like when Akio was kissing Utena and Anthy appeared in the background with the candelabra, only to disappear suddenly. Kanae also disappeared very suddenly, just leaving her mother there. And all that candle symbolism, whatever that was. Ah and then there was Akio talking about Utena's wish to be a prince with a frog perspective of his tower being shown on-screen.
Jun 11, 2012 12:41 PM

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I don't like Akio heh, and Anthy still intrigues me a lot, I have no idea what she's thinking.
Sep 6, 2012 11:14 PM

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Akio is a magnificent bastard - he may be a terrible person but you have to admit that he does he evil deeds in style. Still, I don't like to see Utena so uncertain - she wavered a bit over Touga as well but that passed relatively quickly. Hopefully that will be the case here.
Nov 23, 2012 6:42 PM

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That indian girl sseriously creeps me out
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Dec 15, 2012 6:14 PM
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Anthy was creepy as hell when she was stading there in the shadows as Akio kissed Utena. No idea what that was supposed to mean.. maybe she is disappointed/angered that Utena likes Akio, but she is so strange I don't know what to think.

Akio also annoys me, in the same manner that all the other playboys annoy me. Its like the writer of the show couldn't come up with any other way of manupulation besides sex.

All in all though, this episode makes me want to watch the next one. And it has been a long time since an Utena episode made me want to do that..
Jan 28, 2013 2:59 PM

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I really missed the symbolism and creepiness. I hope it stays for the rest of the episodes, especially now that we're so close to the end.

I used to be really creeped out by the shadow girls, but now, their segments are one of my favorite bits in the series.
Mar 6, 2013 7:57 PM

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JK said:
i'm so disappointed in Utena.. first was Touga.. now Akio.. lool.. so Utena's type are playboys who manipulate others.. cool having the protagonist favor guys like that


I don't think Utena's type are playboys at all.
I think she is just genuinely confused about her feelings and why people have such an interest in her.
It's daunting and a bit scary when smooth talkers approach you.
Her confusion just shows what Utena is: very naive and driven by a single goal.
If something sways her and drives her sight away from the prince, she has a hard time figuring out what she should feel.

May 5, 2013 1:05 PM

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It's been a while since I've watched an episode, but this was a strange one to come into. Akio lustin' after everyone, so it seems.
Jul 19, 2013 11:27 AM
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It's been a while since I've watched an episode, but this was a strange one to come into. Akio lustin' after everyone, so it seems.

is he lusting or is he scheming? i cant help but assume the latter

especially after kanae's mom threatened to relieve him of his position and then he was like "ok fine"
Sep 24, 2013 1:53 PM

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I wonder about the candle symbolism? Utena's love for her prince maybe?
Jan 26, 2014 9:07 AM
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Interesting.

So I assume Akio has some sort of supernatural power to make any girl he wants to fall in love with him.
Guess that would make sense, since he's the one giving out all these rose signets.
Jul 19, 2014 10:54 PM

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I cant believe it. Finally, an episode that actually seems to be building towards something and makes me interested in what happens next. Just a shame it took 30 fucking episodes to get to this point.


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Aug 23, 2014 6:37 PM

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ONION PRINCE!!

Ahh, Akio's seiyuu, that was hot as fuck. I don't like Akio, but I do find him charming as a character mainly because of his voice.

And anthy creeps me out. (with her glasses)
Oct 29, 2014 8:22 PM
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Akio is such a playboy, haha. I feel bad for any girl that gets stringed along. He's pretty effective at it.
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Dec 16, 2014 12:43 PM

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Frickin hate Akio
Jan 21, 2015 11:44 AM

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I started to like Akio at the beginning of the episode, but then I was just like "nope" later on. Utena x Anthy anyways...

This anime just keeps on getting darker the further I progress through it.
Feb 19, 2015 8:37 AM

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The candles probably represent Utena's resolve and how it's wavering in the face of Akio's smooth talking. Now that the last candle has gone out... oh boy.
Mar 20, 2015 9:08 PM

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Akio is such a player lol!

hmmm I wonder if Anthy's prince is Utena
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Aug 2, 2015 11:43 AM

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Akio is a real sleazeball and Utena is totally smitten with him. Godamnit.
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Sep 30, 2015 11:52 AM

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Scumbag Akio.

4/5
Oct 12, 2015 12:54 PM
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Gentle advice: If it's 2am and you're binge watching Shouko Kakumei Utena like I did, now might be a good time to pause and get some sleep for the night...

Because you're really not going to want to stop once these final episodes begin. XD
Dec 28, 2015 7:39 AM

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God damn I wonder what Akio is up to. It's getting so interesting now.
Feb 17, 2016 4:23 PM

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Goddamnit Utena, didn't you learn anything from Touga?

I can't believe Akio even managed to bagged his future mother-in-law xD

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Gentle advice: If it's 2am and you're binge watching Shouko Kakumei Utena like I did, now might be a good time to pause and get some sleep for the night...

Because you're really not going to want to stop once these final episodes begin. XD
Haha, thanks for the heads up ;)
Jun 20, 2016 2:25 PM

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lol fancyplants I feel the same way. It took 30 freakin' episodes to get good.
But omg that was fantastic.

AKIO YOU TWISTED MAN.

I love it! Can't wait for the final episodes. <3
Jul 1, 2016 7:10 PM
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HOLY SHIT this is some serious King Lear/Hamlet stuff.

Akio you sly dog. I hate you but I also admire you. Hope Utena sees through you soon because I don't want her to be defiled by you.

Great car by the way.
Jul 4, 2016 12:02 AM

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CorporaCallosa said:
Gentle advice: If it's 2am and you're binge watching Shouko Kakumei Utena like I did, now might be a good time to pause and get some sleep for the night...

Because you're really not going to want to stop once these final episodes begin. XD

Haha, that's sound advice, but due to the way my satellite Internet provider works, the only time I'm able to watch anime is from 2 A.M.-8 A.M. Kinda messing up my sleep schedule.
Jul 4, 2016 7:44 PM

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This was one of the best episodes of the show so far and absolutely punishing to watch. Akio is front and center this episode as we see just how twisted and manipulative he really is. Right as Utena is beginning to question her feelings for him, Wakaba shows up and exacerbates that situation by spending a lot of time with Akio making Utena jealous. Thus begins Akio's seduction of Utena, a visceral and unpleasant to watch display that ends with her implied deflowering. If Utena's ever going to realize Akio's the puppertmaster behind all this, she's first going to have to unwind herself from around his finger.

I think the most interesting part of all of this is Anthy's reaction. She seems accepting of Akio's apparent seduction of Utena, but we see her somewhat unsettlingly watching them get busy in the car. Clearly Anthy is unhappy with the situation, but who she is more angry at and how it will manifest itself is the more pertinent question. During their bedside scene this episode, Utena questioning her faithfulness to the memory of her Prince asks Anthy if she has a prince of her own. It's unclear whether she means Akio or Utena, but either way she's surely feeling betrayed right now.

I have to say despite being central to her character, I've never been a big fan of Utena's attachment to her memory of the Prince. Mainly because the show will go for long stretches where it won't even bring it up, and then suddenly she's again talking about how he's all she cares about. It almost feels wrong for a character who otherwise shirks gender and romantic norms. Still I really liked the recurring imagery of the chandelier to show her wavering faith in that ideal. It was as clever a visual metaphor as any in the show.

I feel like this episode expanded on Akio in a lot of interesting ways too. We're starting to see kinks in his seemingly impenetrable facade. Little things like Utena noticing that his car is the one she's been seeing lately. But the biggest of course is the revelation his entire vaunted position at the school is dependent on his marriage to Kanae. Not only that but it's a precarious arrangement as he's also seduced her mother into letting him do whatever he wants. He's built his empire on a house of cards, and the ways in which it will come crashing down are more and more apparent.

This was a great episode, and one that really broke the mold of this arc while advancing the story more than any previous episode had. It also had a really cool Shadow Puppet scene that likened Utena's sexual awakening (or perhaps Akio's lustfulness) to the red shoes of lore. As ever can't wait to see what this show does next.
Jul 18, 2016 7:26 PM

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Wow Akio fucks anything with a pulse and he has a foot fetish. What a show!!
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Aug 4, 2016 9:38 AM

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Akio bangs his sister, his wife, his mother-in-law, and is nearly banging Utena too.
Dec 30, 2016 4:01 PM

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Akio is quite infectious... that's scary. Though I think Utena had the better word... "DANGEROUS!"

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Mar 10, 2017 1:03 PM

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dat utena's stolen shoe...... means he stole her virginity?? jesus this show...
this episode would be so great if only i could care more about utena.. i only watch this all because of anthy. still a nice episode though
well akio the bastard is kind of an interesting character also
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just toooooooo smooth
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