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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I laughed at all the men in this episode being posers. |
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| I'm disappointed in Utena. I want Anthy to speak more. I am so excited to see how this series ends. |
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| The posing near the end of the episode was absolutely hilarious |
| 頭脳は子供、見た目は大人！ ƪ(˘⌣˘)ʃ |
| Snap out of it Utena, you're a prince godamnnit. *poses with shirt half off* |
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| FINALLY SAIONJIS SHIRT COMES OFF!!! i couldnt help but start laughing at them at the end tho ahah |
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| So, are the coffin boxes something like reality-simulating devices, that put Utena, Touga and Saionji in the Matrix/Dream created by Anthy to aleviate her suffering? Is Anthy a daughter of a rich family in a futuristic technologic world with a terminal disease, and her parents decided to put her in this simulated reality? And then, her brother Dios called Utena to enter the dream to wake up Anthy, by getting stuck on it in her place? And Touga who is a kid who loves Utena entered too, to stop Utena from saving Anthy and therefore being stuck? And then, Saionji, who loves his brother incestuously and homossexualy, entered the dream to stop Touga from stoping Utena from saving Anthy, and then remain in that dream forever? Many theories, and I think none of them are true. |
RenatoAug 12, 2011 1:57 PM
| But who loves Saionji? Maybe wakaba is also in a coffin to save him? And who will save Wakaba? NO WAKABA! DON'T DIE! |
RenatoAug 12, 2011 1:55 PM
| What does Touga mean, by we are all in our coffins? Is he implying that no one is eternal and it's up to him to create eternity for Utena, himself and everyone else. I think the idea that Dios (Akio) was able to snap Utena out of her depression and he wasn't really irritated Touga as a pompous, arrogant man. It is sort of a challenge to him, to show Utena something eternal, but who knows what Touga's real motivation is. Anyway, really excited to see the end of this series. |
| They are coffins because they have no reason to think they might not as well be in the coffin since being born as they will die eventually and their dreams aren't eternal. They need to let go of not trying to chase eternity or something that is not eternal is just pointless. It's the same for all of them, that's why their childhood selves flashed. |
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| The idea of the coffins is kind of interesting, I'm not exactly sure what they mean though. |
| Why do all the guys in this show feel the need to take off their shirts for no reason? |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
Confucius said: Why do all the guys in this show feel the need to take off their shirts for no reason? I always thought of it as a tongue in cheek mockery of fan service. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| I think the coffin is a euphemism for being doomed to repeat something, stuck in some endless loop. |
Kinryn said: I think the coffin is a euphemism for being doomed to repeat something, stuck in some endless loop. That makes sense considering the show, especially if you watch the movie after it. |
| I'm hoping that Utena will ride a horse in the next ending episodes. One of the main reasons I like her so much is for her prince persona. |
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| sexy photo time with Akio and Touga ... carrot? how the hell could Akio catch her while riding a horse ... why are all japanese people so concerned about catching a cold from the smallest thing. i live in f***ing iceland, you are not going to catch a cold falling asleep in your warm house and not in your bed. sexy cacti so many microphones and cameras sexy chest competition anthy is jealous and scary |
insan3priest said: Confucius said: Why do all the guys in this show feel the need to take off their shirts for no reason? I always thought of it as a tongue in cheek mockery of fan service. This, and I LOVE it haha XD Hmm, coffins? Could it be that they're all actually dead? |
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insan3Inquisitor said: Confucius said: Why do all the guys in this show feel the need to take off their shirts for no reason? I always thought of it as a tongue in cheek mockery of fan service. Touga is doing it because he wants to be just like Akio. And I guess Akio's posing reflects his bishounen nature. >__> The coffin symbolized Utena trying to make everything eternal. You know, as if her parents weren't dead and she was still waiting for the prince on a white horse. |
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| Nooo, Akio is getting in the way of the intense yuri that's about to develop. |
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| Akio has a talent of appearing out of nowhere and what was with that carrot Touga was holding? |
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| Carrot, cactus, coffin... so much symbolism. Will be good to see Utena talk to Anthy about her past. |
| Seeing all the guys unbutton their shirts and feel themselves up is very disturbing to me. 4/5 |
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EOTW said: What does Touga mean, by we are all in our coffins? Is he implying that no one is eternal and it's up to him to create eternity for Utena, himself and everyone else. I think the idea that Dios (Akio) was able to snap Utena out of her depression and he wasn't really irritated Touga as a pompous, arrogant man. It is sort of a challenge to him, to show Utena something eternal, but who knows what Touga's real motivation is. Anyway, really excited to see the end of this series. I think the coffins are supposed to imply that they're all still trapped in their past. When Utena was hiding away in her coffin, she was unable to get over her parent's death. As has been shown before, all the students at Ohtori have something holding them back, are clinging to a memory or idea from their past that they desperately want to see realized, whether or not it was ever true is irrelevant. All these characters are unable to grow or mature because they're so incredibly fixated/stuck on what has been. I think the main point this show is making so far, (imo) is that in order to become an adult, we need to strip away any nostalgia or longing for the past that are holding us back. The Black Rose Saga really highlighted this, I thought. How all these people are looking for eternity, that is, to make something precious to them never end, to be the way things always are. But that's a childish attitude, in a way, and it's instrumental to adulthood to let go of the past, to accept change, and face it head on. Right now, the characters aren't able to do that, but some of them are moving in that direction. (Juri being "freed" of her obsessive love for Shiori, Nanami deciding she wants to put her past with Touga behind her & surpass him) Even the lyrics of the opening seem to hint at this. Near the end where the lines go "Even if I dream, even if I cry, even if I get hurt, reality keeps on coming recklessly. I wanna find my own place, the value of being the person I've been until now. Let's find the strength to throw it all away. Strip down to nothing at all." These lyrics seem to be talking about how no matter how hard you may wish for the past, and want it to be the way things are, reality and what actually is are not going to stop and will eventually hit you. In order to endure the real world, you need to remove what's holding you back, your idealized view of the world, nostalgia, longing for things, preconceptions about the world, etc. It takes strength to do, and is hard, but ultimately you'll become free to face the world anew, and as an adult. |
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| Touga is definitely in love with Utena aka the only girl he couldn't tame. Can't believe I'm saying this but I'm actually starting to miss Nanami o_0 |
KashKetchumFeb 18, 2016 12:12 PM
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| I liked this episode, even though it wasn't that much more consequential than the previous two. At least in terms of advancing the main plot. It seems to be setting up for Touga to duel Utena again next episode. In doing so it shows in multiple places, that despite conspiring against her with Akio he has developed some sort of feelings for her. As Saonji says I'm not sure how valid the "feelings" of Touga are, he's too manipulative and selfish to have a pure unselfish love for anyone. But he seems to at least care that Utena is falling slowly but surely right into Akio's clutches. Whether that's out of jealousy or genuine concern for her well being remains to be seen. I've mentioned in other posts but I'm a big fan of Wakaba. She's one of my favorite supporting characters, and her skepticism of Touga here was great. It goes back to way back when Touga dueled Utena the first time and lost her edge. It was nice bit of character continuity I appreciated. At any rate she was right, Utena should have just avoided Touga. But after a horseback riding incident she becomes even more wooed by Akio's charms. I wish a little more happened in this episode. We're getting ever nearer to the end and the show still moves at a leisurely pace. Still it's not a bad pace. I'm at least a little excited to see Touga duel Utena next time and see what the show's endgame is. There was a time I thought Touga was the main villain, but he pales in comparison to Akio. Thus for next time I'm quite curious if he'll get any kind of redemption, or stay villainous |
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| The episodes are moving fast now. The 30 minutes are just flying by. |
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| AHHHH Why are they trying to distract Utena from remembering?? Stop it!!! Free Anthy!!!!! |
 Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
| I took the coffins to represent being trapped in the past. Utena couldn't move beyond her parents' death before and she is still pursuing the prince now. Neither Saionji nor Touga have truly changed from the time they met Utena. Etc. etc. I'm starting to think the rape was an attempt on Akio's part to force Utena into a place of submissiveness, which he perceives as more "princess-like"... which is really messed up. I still don't feel like the show needed to go that far with it to achieve this sort of effect though, and I still think the effects of that are being heavily downplayed, so my feelings are mixed. I look forward to the final duel. |
| Welp...Utena can't be the prince if someone else does the saving for her. Guessing the carrot Touga is holding means that he's baiting her? So Akio wants her to be more like a woman than a prince. Omg...those poses towards the end...xD They look like they're modeling for America's Next Top Model or something. |
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| Akio tricks me on a regular basis. During his scenes with Utena he seems like a really sweet guy, and then we cut back to him and Touga...I wonder if her falling off the horse and Akio rescuing her was arranged by him. I wish it wasn't taking Utena so long to put two and two together. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| Utena's jewelry reminds me of Nanami's cowbell, something that is used to domesticate her. But maybe that's a stretch. I don't mean that jewelry is bad, it's only in this context where it feels that way. |
| I find it amusing that Saionji of all people can be the voice of reason at this point. I think it shows how far things have gone (and perhaps shows an actual, if small, change in himself?) |
| Nice JoJo collab. The last duel is coming near, who will change the world? The symbolism and the metaphores here are neat, I'm going to do my research on those I've missed because they're really well done. That's one of the things I like the most about this show. |
| Around the gif~ "It's a big mistake to think you're the only one who can turn into a car" - Shiori Takatsuki |
| Wow, this is going to places i'd never expect!! And seeing Utena like that was one of them. Akio sure is good at getting what he wants. |
 SEIZON SENRYAKU: Hungry 100% of the time.Vzla-IT |
| Man, Akio got Utena within his grasp and now that she "became a woman", she seems further away from becoming a prince. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| This show puts Jojo's to shame. Do you even pose, bro? |
| The shadow girls and their play was perfect this time, one of my favourite ones in the series! I wonder, what Touga's deal is and what's his desire? So many questions! |
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I'm just going to leave this here xD |
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| Touga, the guy who seduces girls as if it were a sport, has fallen for the girl he could never tame. Not to mention he now seems to dislike the idea of Akio pushing Utena more and more into the uninteresting role of "princess". Overall, finally an enjoyable episode. Well-structured and with not so many super pretentious symbolisms. |
| Utena really is naive, I feel bad for her honestly Episodes are definitely a lot more enjoyable now than they were at the start, they seem to fly by |
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