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Other "thoughts on" threads in the series: disney manga / art nouveau / english-language animanga My other shoujo threads where I also mention Colleen's Manga Recs: part 1 / part 2 / part 3 / part 4 / part 5 ★-⋆-⋆-⋆-⋆-⋆-⋆-⋆-⋆-⋆-★ The shoujo-oriented AniTuber Colleen's Manga Recs has recently put out a video where they discuss how they heard the creator of Dandadan apparently had to read at least a hundred different shoujo manga before creating his hit series. This information apparently comes from an interview that would show before the theatrical release of the first three episodes of the anime. Like Colleen, I don't think I can find the exact interview in question online nor can I completely confirm that it was specifically "100 shoujo" or "100 romance" manga that Tatsu had to read... but I do like the arguments they presented in their video, and I love how they turned their discussion into another one of their generous shoujosei (a recent term referring to both the shoujo/younger girl and josei/older women demographics) recommendation features. Before their recommendation list in the video, they presented a for-fun challenge: "So you know what? No more being complicit. Start doing your homework, like Tatsu and Miura before you. Start learning from your GOATs." "You must now read these 100 shoujo before you pick up your next Shounen Jump title, goddamnit." I also think this is a fun idea, so I immediately started wondering if this could be worth talking about in a thread. I like making these threads to read others' thoughts, so I am interested to see if anyone else thinks this could be a good motivator to read more manga, as well as to share any of their own recommendations. I may have read the first volume of Dandadan already before the anime was even announced, but I don't see I shouldn't finish up my manga backlog, and I technically have yet to watch the anime anyway, so I probably would still count for the challenge's intention. Maybe I'll even make this a resolution for the next year and try to spend most of 2025 actually trying to stop borrowing so many library books and get to my actual manga collection first goddamnit lololol ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Since I wanted to make a thread where we can all share our progress on this, I might as well use this OP space to share with you my own shoujo journey to start. Omg thank you @Giulichan04 for creating Interest Stacks based on their 100 shoujo recommendation list! https://myanimelist.net/stacks/58174 + https://myanimelist.net/stacks/58176 I don't know if I will honestly get to all of these as part of my 100, so I will also include stuff that is on my own backlog/manga list that is shoujo; I had never heard of a few on Colleen's list, so if I share my own list, maybe you all will find something brand new you may have never heard of before as well! Here are other shoujo(sei) manga I still need to finish/get to (as with before, italicized = in progress):
...maybe I'll stop it there since my Dropped and Plan to Read will just stretch this post even longer heheheh... To my fellow shoujosei challengers... WISH YOU LUCK 頑張ろう✯!!  |
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| That sounds like genuine torture. I'd rather just not read Dandadan, not that I ever intended to. |
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| I am sure some of the manga mention on the list is worth reading, but the shoujo genre just doesnt interest me and its not necessary in order to enjoy Dandadan. |
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| I'm a pretty big fan of Colleen's vids and I think that the list that they made was a very good one to kind of show how much variety there is in terms of manga made for the female target demographic as a lot of people do generalize shoujo manga to just be solely romance, and especially high school romance. As someone who mostly grew up on a lot of action Shonen stuff, those pre-conceived notions pushed onto a lot of us made it especially hard for me to branch out. I've only seen or read like maybe 2 shoujo series before, being Sailor Moon and Fruits Basket, and I have not completed them yet. I think Colleen's sort of challenge, while a bit daunting for some, is a good way to help people like me who may have limited experience with shoujo and josei content to branch out more and see a bit more of the totality of what it has to offer. I want to eventually try some of these and see how I like them, as some of the premises look rather interesting, or in some cases i actually recognize the artists behind of some of these works and haven't tried reading or watching them yet. While I don't think one necessarily needs to experience all 100, even just trying a few new ones is great for broadening one's horizons in terms of diving in to a new demographic of animation and manga |
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Start doing your homework, like Tatsu and Miura before you. I agree if only because the manga Miura liked are better than the manga he drew himself. Before accepting such a challenge, however, I must ask how Colleen decided which manga to recommend. Are they simply her favorites? |
| その目だれの目？ |
| The only shoujos i've seen are Dark Shoujo like Vampire Princess Miyu and Hell Girl. |
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Start doing your homework, like Tatsu and Miura before you.
I agree if only because the manga Miura liked are better than the manga he drew himself.
Before accepting such a challenge, however, I must ask how Colleen decided which manga to recommend. Are they simply her favorites?
| @Lucifrost Yes, Colleen said that they picked 100 of their favorite that they would generally recommend to people. They have talked about a few of these series before in standalone videos, or videos that recommend some of these series to shonen fans based on similar themes, settings, or concepts to help broaden the horizons of shonen readers. |
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The only shoujos i've seen are Dark Shoujo like Vampire Princess Miyu and Hell Girl.
| @tchitchouan X is a must read if you don't mind that it has no ending. It draws inspiration from Devilman. I love the Sukeban Deka anime as well.  |
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@tchitchouan
X is a must read if you don't mind that it has no ending. It draws inspiration from Devilman.
I love the Sukeban Deka anime as well.
X is a must read if you don't mind that it has no ending. It draws inspiration from Devilman.
I love the Sukeban Deka anime as well.
| @Lucifrost Noted, that seems right up my alley. |
| I'm now realizing this challenge is not feasible for many of Colleen's fans as she recommends manga that have not been translated. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| hmmm the interview of tatsu is the one they showed for the screening of the first 3 eps, maybe if you search it like that you might be able to find it. Iirc i think it was romance not shoujo but tbh it might be due to the translation, i didnt place attention on what they said in japanese so im not sure. Sorry im not interested on this long challenges however i do appreciate whoever created the stacks so i can check some in the future. |
| Colleen is the only anituber I follow (youtube and tiktok) !!! I haven't seen that video, but I will trust in her list. Thanks to her, I started to read more shoujo and josei. |
| Lucinda. Leo. INFJ. 1995. Chile. |
| This is great, though the inclusion of titles with unfinished translations, like Ace wo Nerae with 3 volumes scanlated into English out of 18, means I’d either never read any more Shounen Jump titles or be forced to learn Japanese (fair enough). Checking out another title I’m familiar with, I’m surprised to see Tokimeki Tonight getting translated but it’s still only at 16/30 volumes. |
それはまもなく、浪に流されて暗やみのなかを遠くへ消えていったのです。 |
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This is great, though the inclusion of titles with unfinished translations, like Ace wo Nerae with 3 volumes scanlated into English out of 18, means I’d either never read any more Shounen Jump titles or be forced to learn Japanese (fair enough). Checking out another title I’m familiar with, I’m surprised to see Tokimeki Tonight getting translated but it’s still only at 16/30 volumes.
cyandaqil said: Checking out another title I’m familiar with, I’m surprised to see Tokimeki Tonight getting translated but it’s still only at 16/30 volumes. At least with that one they've translated the entire 1st arc. Arc 2 with its new protagonist begins in volume 17. |
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| 100 shoujo? Ha, I don't think I've even read 100 manga period. But yes, it is correct: In various parts of history, shoujo manga was the "testing ground" for experimentalism and new types of ideas that would later be implemented in manga and anime in general. Do you think demographic tags don't really matter and should cease to exist? They do matter, it's just that people should understand that a demographic isn't a tag, and nor should it be (And also abandon such limiting notions of gender, but I digress). That said, earlier this year I was thinking "No matter what series I watch, my love for it usually ends up being the characters, their thoughts and their interactions, no why not just go straight for a romance?", so I went for Emma (And indeed, though the story might not be it's forte, the character interactions are of golden quality)... though Emma is a Seinen manga. |
| "Thoughts on Colleen's "100 Shoujo Before DanDaDan" challenge?" Not really my cup of tea. |
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| Also everyone should watch Ultraman too. Required viewing for the anime. |
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| I saw the video and the list on YouTube. I'm not reading/watching all the animanga on that list, but I have my own backlog. I think it's a good list in *general*, but it's not the sort of list that everyone can read/watch the entire thing. It's the list where you pick and choose some series that seem interesting, and then explore on your own. Using myself as an example, I'm not going to read/watch: - Girl Got Game - In the Clear Moonlight Dusk - High School Debut - Furare Girl - Fushigi Yuugi - My Love Story - Let's Do it Already - Black Bird - Vampire Knight - Kikaijikake no Marie - Sacrificial Princess and the King of Beasts - Arisa - A Condition Called Love I'm on the fence about some of the others on their list, but those that I listed are ones that I'm not watching for sure. The premise of those aren't really interesting to me. I've watched/read some and dropped them: - Boys Over Flowers - Snow White with Red Hair - Shugo Chara - Princess Knight I have several unpopular opinions about the above series. The fashion in Shugo Chara is overrated. Snow White with Red Hair has a green flag ML, but they're both so boring. Even if Shugo Chara is problematic AF, Ikuto and Amu had chemistry. I respect Boys Over Flowers as the highest selling Shoujo, but I really don't understand the hype. I respect Princess Knight for inspiring some of my favorite Shoujo series, but I ultimately just though it was okay. |
LuxuriousHeartMar 2, 2025 8:44 AM
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cyandaqil said:
Checking out another title I’m familiar with, I’m surprised to see Tokimeki Tonight getting translated but it’s still only at 16/30 volumes.
Checking out another title I’m familiar with, I’m surprised to see Tokimeki Tonight getting translated but it’s still only at 16/30 volumes.
At least with that one they've translated the entire 1st arc. Arc 2 with its new protagonist begins in volume 17.
| @Lucifrost I’ve only watched the TV series, but that’s interesting to hear. It was left on volume 15 for the last two years and just in the past few months someone did 16. |
それはまもなく、浪に流されて暗やみのなかを遠くへ消えていったのです。 |
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@Lucifrost I’ve only watched the TV series, but that’s interesting to hear. It was left on volume 15 for the last two years and just in the past few months someone did 16.
| @cyandaqil Volume 15 concludes the main story. 16 is mostly filler stories but sets up key plot points for later arcs. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| Forgive me everyone, I should further clarified that I'm actually modifying the challenge towards my own shoujosei backlog like @LuxuriousHeart. The reason why I included shoujo and josei manga that are from my own manga list is also more of a list that you can pick from rather than just using Colleen's whole list; as @Lucifrost and @cyandaqil has said, they have indeed included shoujo that haven't even gotten complete fan scanlations so it wouldn't be possible to complete the whole list. I just thought that Colleen's list was just their recommended starting grounds for a 100-shoujo path to enlightenment and not necessarily a definitive list... or at least I just decided to twist it for myself since I already started several of those titles and have way tons of niche shoujosei on just my Plan to Watch and physical manga collection alone. What I meant to say is that I am participating to read 100 shoujo titles to their entirety, but not necessarily all the ones on Colleen's list. I thought the fact that they included Magical Girl Dandelion, which has only started serializing this summer, made it clear that their list was more of a beginner's starter course to girly comic omakase. I will probably update this thread with a new post whenever I feel like I have made significant progress in actually reading more of my shoujosei backlog. LittleOwlbear said: Yeah, I did even include several other josei in the list, but that's because I have them on my radar, and josei is actually not quite as definitive of a term in Japan as sometimes manga like the latter two you mentioned have gotten shoujo awards and not any related older women-targeted awards. Besides, I don't read josei enough and as some others have pointed out in a older shoujo thread I made, josei hardly gets any love anyway. :PParadise Kiss, Princess Jellyfish and Honey & Clover are officially josei. Shouldn't stop you including them into the challenge, I just wanted to state that. |
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| @Fario-P I have not read 100 shoujo let alone 100 I like, but I've enjoyed several translated titles that are not on your or Colleen's lists. I recommend them in the hopes someone will choose to read them over those manga I dislike. https://myanimelist.net/manga/22262/Niji_no_Prelude https://myanimelist.net/manga/27687/Mako_to_Rumi_to_Chii https://myanimelist.net/manga/18752/11-nin_Iru https://myanimelist.net/manga/4305/Poe_no_Ichizoku https://myanimelist.net/manga/1365/Kaze_to_Ki_no_Uta https://myanimelist.net/manga/1388/Candy_Candy https://myanimelist.net/manga/4998/Hime-chan_no_Ribbon https://myanimelist.net/manga/7448/Pygmalio Naturally, many of these have been translated by fans. Only Hagio's have been officially licensed. |
LucifrostDec 15, 2024 10:33 PM
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| > Do you read enough shoujo manga in general? I guess that the only shoujo manga I've read are Orange and one volume of Aqua, so not really? I have read a few josei written by women, so it's not like I dislike manga targeted at or made by women. > Would you be willing to participate in this reading challenge for yourself? Absolutely not, but I would consider checking some of them out (some were already on my PTR) > If no, can you please explain why not? I have various shoujo on my PTR, but they're no more a priority than anything else. I like to read short series, and will read anything I find at my local library, regardless of the demographic, but seinen seems to be my favorite (and josei more appealing than shoujo, but it's not like there's a clear distinction, since it's just based on the magazine). > What do you think of the internet's constant conflation of shoujo manga with romance? It's not surprising, though I'd say it's more of a problem if people don't recognize how many romance manga are shounen/seinen. A lot of shoujo are romance, so it's not entirely unwarranted. > Do you think demographic tags don't really matter and should cease to exist? No, but there is a lot of overlap these days (and a lot of manga on MAL without any demographic listed). I just read that Ikki (seinen magazine) had a 40% female readership. Unusual, sure, but how many women do you know who love shounen? I just watch/read what's accessible and looks interesting. Maybe that will include more shoujo in the future, since I do think a bit of diversity is good to get exposure to different things, but we'll see. |
KwanthemasterDec 15, 2024 10:03 PM
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| This is nuts. I'm fine with Shoujo/Josei, but compiling such a huge list and methodically going through them, all in the same genre/demographic, is not my idea of fun. But best of luck to everyone mad enough to try this. It's interesting that the Dandadan author read that much Shoujo (if true)... But I can't really tell what that achieved? I'm anime-only, and Dandadan doesn't feel particularly Shoujo or well-crafted as a romance to me. It's definitely fun and charming, though. |
| "Thoughts on Colleen's "100 Shoujo Before DanDaDan" challenge?" Given that Dan Da Dan is shounen, with some elements of battle shounen and with some typical elements of shounen romance, what's the practical point of watching 100 shoujo titles beforehand? Of course one can enjoy both, but they are kind of different most of the time and I am not sure how consuming huge amounts of the first will enhance the experience with the second. And there are combinations of different things which can work great together, like banana and chocolate, but this is more of a salt and watermelon situation...which I like, but instead of a pinch of salt on every piece you are recommended to use 30 grams every time. Watching 5 (or even 10) specifically selected shoujo titles to match the Dan Da Dan themes can totally work, but 100 is too much, even if we talk about short single episode specials and OVAs. PS And yes, this is supposed to be a challenge, but for me watching anime shouldn't be about endurance, but having the best experience possible. Like if you are in the mood for 100 or 200 or 300 shoujo titles in a roll...go ahead watch those right now! But why necessary before Dan Da Dan? "I don't think I can find the exact interview in question online" Even if true - reading 100 shoujo (which would be easier to pick out and less time consuming than watching 100 shoujo), creating something and experiencing it are very different processes, there's hardly a significant correlation. "You must now read these 100 shoujo before you pick up your next Shounen Jump title, goddamnit." Wait, this is not even a challenge! This is more of a "Read more shoujo instead of Shounen Jump hits!". Like "Have a more diverse manga diet!" or something. I actually agree with that. Is Dan Da Dan even mentioned in the video? |
alshuDec 16, 2024 12:24 AM
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"Thoughts on Colleen's "100 Shoujo Before DanDaDan" challenge?"
Given that Dan Da Dan is shounen, with some elements of battle shounen and with some typical elements of shounen romance, what's the practical point of watching 100 shoujo titles beforehand?
Of course one can enjoy both, but they are kind of different most of the time and I am not sure how consuming huge amounts of the first will enhance the experience with the second.
And there are combinations of different things which can work great together, like banana and chocolate, but this is more of a salt and watermelon situation...which I like, but instead of a pinch of salt on every piece you are recommended to use 30 grams every time.
Watching 5 (or even 10) specifically selected shoujo titles to match the Dan Da Dan themes can totally work, but 100 is too much, even if we talk about short single episode specials and OVAs.
PS
And yes, this is supposed to be a challenge, but for me watching anime shouldn't be about endurance, but having the best experience possible.
Like if you are in the mood for 100 or 200 or 300 shoujo titles in a roll...go ahead watch those right now! But why necessary before Dan Da Dan?
"I don't think I can find the exact interview in question online"
Even if true - reading 100 shoujo (which would be easier to pick out and less time consuming than watching 100 shoujo), creating something and experiencing it are very different processes, there's hardly a significant correlation.
"You must now read these 100 shoujo before you pick up your next Shounen Jump title, goddamnit."
Wait, this is not even a challenge! This is more of a "Read more shoujo instead of Shounen Jump hits!". Like "Have a more diverse manga diet!" or something. I actually agree with that. Is Dan Da Dan even mentioned in the video?
Given that Dan Da Dan is shounen, with some elements of battle shounen and with some typical elements of shounen romance, what's the practical point of watching 100 shoujo titles beforehand?
Of course one can enjoy both, but they are kind of different most of the time and I am not sure how consuming huge amounts of the first will enhance the experience with the second.
And there are combinations of different things which can work great together, like banana and chocolate, but this is more of a salt and watermelon situation...which I like, but instead of a pinch of salt on every piece you are recommended to use 30 grams every time.
Watching 5 (or even 10) specifically selected shoujo titles to match the Dan Da Dan themes can totally work, but 100 is too much, even if we talk about short single episode specials and OVAs.
PS
And yes, this is supposed to be a challenge, but for me watching anime shouldn't be about endurance, but having the best experience possible.
Like if you are in the mood for 100 or 200 or 300 shoujo titles in a roll...go ahead watch those right now! But why necessary before Dan Da Dan?
"I don't think I can find the exact interview in question online"
Even if true - reading 100 shoujo (which would be easier to pick out and less time consuming than watching 100 shoujo), creating something and experiencing it are very different processes, there's hardly a significant correlation.
"You must now read these 100 shoujo before you pick up your next Shounen Jump title, goddamnit."
Wait, this is not even a challenge! This is more of a "Read more shoujo instead of Shounen Jump hits!". Like "Have a more diverse manga diet!" or something. I actually agree with that. Is Dan Da Dan even mentioned in the video?
| @alshu I can understand Colleen's frustration, but this isn't the way to go about it. Even as someone who likes Shoujo and has a backlog of it that I plan to dig into (well, I have a backlog of all demographics tbh). Even as someone who is currently watching a Shoujo, and plans to watch another Shoujo after this. I love Shoujo, but even I don't like everything on Colleen's list. Even if you like something, that doesn't mean you'll like everything about it. Some of their list consists of series that I've dropped. Some of their list consists of series that I'm flat out not consuming. Then there's others that I'm on the fence about, but who knows. For one, 100 Shoujo is too much all at once. Colleen should've recommended 25 series at the most. And even that's a lot. And some of those series that they recommended, were no. Probably should've recommended action, comedy, and supernatural series, since that's the main appeal of Dandadan from what I see. And it should've been an even balance, so to speak. If I were Colleen I would've recommended. Shoujo: 1. Gakuen Babysitters 2. Children of the Whales 3. Life 4. Skip Beat 5. Tomie 6. Sukeban Deka 7. Gakuen Alice 8. Revolutionary Girl Utena 9. Rose of Versailles 10. Ouran High School Host Club 11. Yona of the Dawn 12. Oresama Sensei 13. Queen's Quality 14. Natsume's Book of Friends 15. Sailor Moon Josei: 1. Pink 2. Chihayafuru 3. Gokusen 4. Petshop of Horrors 5. 07 Ghost 6. Love of Kill 7. Dissolving Classroom 8. Kids on the Slope 9. Life Lessons with Uramichi 10. Princess Jellyfish A decent balance of recommendations, but leaning more to action, comedy, and supernatural. |
LuxuriousHeartMar 2, 2025 8:46 AM
| It's an interesting idea, and it's always nice to broaden one's horizons, but a 100 is rather excessive for most people. Especially with the length of some of these selections. I also wouldn't recommend some of these to people trying to get into shoujo, but that's just me. >Do you read enough shoujo manga in general? I've tried and dropped a lot of them back in the day, but now that I have a somewhat different perspective on anime/manga as a whole I put a decent chunk of them back on my list and I'm going to try them all out again. Definitely haven't read enough, but soon I will remedy that. >Would you be willing to participate in this reading challenge for yourself? Considering my reading backlog for the foreseeable future is mostly shoujo manga, I guess in a way I am? But not that particular selection, though a lot of them are works I'm familiar with and have either been planning to try or pick back up. As for the list: From works that are finished I am currently reading: Ayashi no Ceres and Red River And after I finish those 2 I'll be picking up: Reimei no Arcana and one of these Kanata Kara, Takamagahara, Ghost Hunt (and its novel simultaneously), Ten ni Kou, Petshop of Horrors. Haven't decided on which ones yet. This is just the shortlist of my backlog though, there's way too many there. >What do you think of the internet's constant conflation of shoujo manga with romance? All demographics have certain connotations attached to them due to the most well known works that represent them. Shounen is typically associated with "battle shounen" so the likes of One Piece, Dragon Ball, Naruto, Bleach, JJK, HxH and whatnot just due to how well known they are. And personally my mind would also go in that direction first, I definitely wouldn't immediately think of say, Hitoribocchi no ○○ Seikatsu or Hakaishin Magu-chan when I think of shounen. >Do you think demographic tags don't really matter and should cease to exist. Nah they're fine, but they're not be all end all. They're there to give you a rough idea of the general style of the work you'll be reading/watching. From visual style to tropes and cliches. If you're experienced enough, there's a lot you can tell about a work based on the demographic and character design alone. >small print Don't know you enough to say. |
| The real challenge comes after watching those 100 shoujo anime, I can't do it, it's like unbeatable final boss to me.  |
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LuxuriousHeart said: action, comedy, and supernatural series, since that's the main appeal of Dandadan Yeah, there's also a lot of romcom in the later episodes...not sure about the manga. LuxuriousHeart said: Colleen's frustration Being frustrated about Shouen Jump in general is very understandable, but DanDaDan is one of their better and fresher products (not to mention its adaptation is quite short for now). Jujutsu Kaisen is a more suitable target. |
alshuDec 16, 2024 6:09 AM
| I doubt anyone would give me the reward I expect for completing such a challenge. |
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| Hi, thanks for the mention. I'm glad you like the interest stacks. In my case, there are many series from the list that I'm going to check out, but as well as you, I'm not going to read all the series, because there are a few series I'm not really interested in reading them. |
| says I saw 30 shoujo, mean score 4,9... that's surprisingly not bad. |
| 馬鹿げた倫理 全部ガラクタで |
| I am pretty sure I've read at least 100 shoujo manga already, so that means I can now watch Dandadan (that I already have), right? xD Anyhow, I mostly only read shorter shoujo romances, so this challenge actually still holds value for me to explore more genres within the demographic because shoujo is still very broad. But that's also mean there are a lot of series I have no interest in or just plain avoid even if they're shoujo - including titles on Colleen's list, so unfortunately I will be sitting out from this challenge. I guess I can make my own 100 list, but I can feel myself getting overwhelmed. I have some shoujosei I intend to read/catch up though so maybe I'll list that, and maybe some recommendations that aren't mentioned on Colleen's list: Although I did not really see any shoujo influence in Dandadan so far, but I find it pretty unique for a hyped battle shonen so I am not surprised if he research and/or experience a lot of different things before getting into writing. I think for writers it is important to do research outside of their comfort zone to broaden their perspective, so good for Tatsu if he really did do that whether it's atcually shoujo or actually just romance. |
ShirayukinDec 16, 2024 6:36 PM
| ★Do you read enough shoujo manga? I'm reading. I also read Shonen, Seinen, and Josei. ★Do you want to participate in this reading challenge yourself? I don't think so. I don't want to read anything that is not to my taste because I have a certain number of works that I like, and the list itself seems to be biased in its lineup. ★What do you think about the interview about Yukinobu Tatsumi? I don't think it is properly translated. You can find it if you look for the data. Also, as far as I can tell from the author's page on Wikipedia, I think his influences are Berserk, not shoujo manga. Excerpts from the author's interview Source link address: https://xtrend.nikkei.com/atcl/contents/18/00645/00004/ I have always liked battle manga, and at the time of my first read-through, my editor, Shihira Hayashi, said to me, “If you are going to change, let's draw a romantic comedy, which I have never drawn before! (laugh). When I read it, I really liked the part of the story where the characters fight, but somehow make up, which is not found in shounen manga. If the pretense to bring the story to a catharsis is half the fun, it would be a waste, so I put in a lot of thought into whether readers would not get bored if I inserted a gag or something from a different angle into the story. ★What do you think about the constant confusion between shoujo manga and romance on the Internet? Well, it's been said for a long time and it doesn't bother me now. ★Do you think the demographic tag is really unimportant and should cease to exist? I don't necessarily think that people who buy shoujo manga = people who read them, so I don't think any official data on the ratio of men to women reading them is accurate, even in Japan. ★"You must read these 100 shoujo manga before you pick up the next Shonen Jump title. About. I have actually read a Shonen Jump title after seeing 100 shoujo manga. But it was no less interesting before and after I read the 100 shoujo manga. For those who draw manga without reading much shoujo manga, reading shoujo manga broadens their horizons and gives them a chance to create good work. But for those who like reading manga, I don't think it's necessary to force yourself to read 100 shoujo manga or 100 works of manga. ★ Regarding Colleen's Manga list. The number of works I have currently read is 61 (including 35 works treated as complete, including those treated as dormant). I think this list is for people who read manga a lot, and not for beginners of shoujo manga, since there are some works with more than 30 volumes. For those who read a fair amount of shoujo manga, the list seems unbalanced, as the works on the list seem to be unevenly distributed. I don't think the list itself is bad. I can tell that the person who made it likes shoujo manga. I personally would like to change 20% of the works in the list if it is limited to shoujo manga, and 30% to 40% if it includes josei manga. |
kihelDec 16, 2024 8:49 PM
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| 100 shojo sounds excessive unless you are writing a research paper on shojo. I think people giving different demographics and genres and themes a try is good to find out what you really like and see things in a wider scope. |
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| Oh, so Colleen's (I don't know who) got the scoop, huh? 😏 The idea that Yukinobu Tatsu read a hundred shoujo manga before creating "Dandadan" definitely sound like bullshit . Misinformation on anime by YouTubers is like that one stubborn fly at a picnic—annoying but inevitable. 🙄 YouTubers spread these tall tales for a few subscribers and lie without a second thought. Clout Chasing: big youtube channels are run by narcissistic people who love being the center of attention, even if it’s with half-baked “news”? Never admit mistakes when fans find out the truth. exaggeration makes made-up stories juicier, even if it bends the truth. It's like a game of telephone, where facts get twisted into wild, entertaining yarns. People should Always double-check anything from vloggers with reliable sources to separate fact from fan fiction. |
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LuxuriousHeart said:
action, comedy, and supernatural series, since that's the main appeal of Dandadan
action, comedy, and supernatural series, since that's the main appeal of Dandadan
Yeah, there's also a lot of romcom in the later episodes...not sure about the manga.
LuxuriousHeart said:
Colleen's frustration
Colleen's frustration
Being frustrated about Shouen Jump in general is very understandable, but DanDaDan is one of their better and fresher products (not to mention its adaptation is quite short for now). Jujutsu Kaisen is a more suitable target.
| @alshu I also know of the romcom aspect, but like... That's already a stereotype of Shoujo anyway. I didn't say it, so my bad. Though I actually meant "outside of the romcom aspect, which most people associate with Shoujo anyway, the appeal of Dandadan is ..." Dandadan got mentioned because a lot of the fans kept bringing up that he read 100 Shoujo, which is why the romance is good. It's annoying because a lot of them won't even read or watch Shoujo, but will hype up when their favorite series is inspired by it. "So *that's* why the romance is good", or "so *that's* why the female characters are well written". I can see why Colleen was frustrated with Dandadan fans *specifically*. However, they lost the plot along the way with the 100 Shoujo challenge. Especially when some of the recommendations are bad. Seriously... Black Bird and Vampire Knight? Really? Jujutsu Kaisen wasn't the subject of wrath at this particular moment because Gege didn't say that he read Shoujo or was forced to read it. Though I do think that the fans of Jujutsu Kaisen should definitely be called out. They were the ones who made that stupid "born to Shoujo, forced to Shonen" phrase that did a number on the reputation of Shoujo. That phrase alone basically stereotypes Shoujo as wholesome slice of life romcoms where everyone gets a happy ending. To make matters worse, that phrase *stuck*. Even other fanbases are saying it, and it's so pervasive. I have a theory as to why Colleen hasn't made a video about it, or talked about it. My theory: a lot of the JJK fans who spread that phrase are girls. She'll tweet her annoyance with it, but it won't be a video. And it's so weird because that phrase is so widespread and rooted in sexism, that it more than warrants a video on it. Yet they haven't made one. I don't think any Shoujo content creator has. Once again, my theory is that they don't want to upset the Shonen girlies. |
LuxuriousHeartMar 2, 2025 8:43 AM
| Who tf is Colleen? Isn't she that creepy ukelele lady? |
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| Haven't read that much shoujo yet (not much of a manga reader), but I've seen hundreds of shoujo anime. I wouldn't commit to a challenge like this, thoughi do like shoujo a lot-- I'd rather read what I want at my own pace. |
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| I don't read that much manga of any genre, but I have seen the anime adaptations for around 25% of the titles in that list. So I hope that counts for something? |
| well i already caught up to dandadan long before news of tatsu reading 100 shoujos started circulating, no idea who colleen is either and i won't get the chance to participate in this anytime soon but i appreciate the effort. |
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Who tf is Colleen? Isn't she that creepy ukelele lady?
| @SaiteiDaOrette if you actually read OP for once, you would see that I explain that this Colleen is a shoujo-oriented AniTuber. I even put a link to their channel. I will be more blatant this time here |
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@LuxuriousHeart
Which is an argument I don't understand. The best shoujosei I read either had
- no romance at all (Natsume, Petshop of Horrors, ...)
- queer romance or queer subtext (Banana Fish, Utena, The Song of Wind and Trees, A Cruel God Reigns...)
- straight romance that wasn't the main plot or just hinted (Akatsuki no Yona, Children of the Whales, 7 Seeds, some Kaori Yuki shoujo, Attack No. 1 ...)
Lot of shoujosei I've read, or looked into, that had romance as its main focus, had been very weak to... okayish, imo. But maybe I really just can't get into these often naive and boy-crazy teenage girls and I often dislike their dynamics a lot.
A shoujo that had great romance was Shirayuki-hime, but I'd argue it's not the main plot either, it's just an important part of the plot.
There is a bit more to explore in josei romance, tho. Especially with some josei manga.
If the romance in DanDaDan is good... we'll see. It's well, for sure another school setting. Again.
Agree. I'd consider Vampire Knight a bit of a "fetish work" for minor girls, not something you would recommend someone new to shoujo. In general it's just... not good lol.
Dandadan got mentioned because a lot of the fans kept bringing up that he read 100 Shoujo, which is why the romance is good. It's annoying because a lot of them won't even read or watch Shoujo, but will hype up when their favorite series is inspired by it. "So *that's* why the romance is good", or "so *that's* why the female characters are well written".
Which is an argument I don't understand. The best shoujosei I read either had
- no romance at all (Natsume, Petshop of Horrors, ...)
- queer romance or queer subtext (Banana Fish, Utena, The Song of Wind and Trees, A Cruel God Reigns...)
- straight romance that wasn't the main plot or just hinted (Akatsuki no Yona, Children of the Whales, 7 Seeds, some Kaori Yuki shoujo, Attack No. 1 ...)
Lot of shoujosei I've read, or looked into, that had romance as its main focus, had been very weak to... okayish, imo. But maybe I really just can't get into these often naive and boy-crazy teenage girls and I often dislike their dynamics a lot.
A shoujo that had great romance was Shirayuki-hime, but I'd argue it's not the main plot either, it's just an important part of the plot.
There is a bit more to explore in josei romance, tho. Especially with some josei manga.
If the romance in DanDaDan is good... we'll see. It's well, for sure another school setting. Again.
can see why Colleen was frustrated with Dandadan fans *specifically*. However, she lost the plot along the way with the 100 Shoujo challenge. Especially when some of the recommendations are bad. Seriously... Black Bird and Vampire Knight? Really?
Agree. I'd consider Vampire Knight a bit of a "fetish work" for minor girls, not something you would recommend someone new to shoujo. In general it's just... not good lol.
| @LittleOwlbear I'd say Petshop of Horrors has queer subtext between Count D and Detective Leon. It's just never "relieved". I do like some romance Shoujo series, but they're definitely not my favorite. I like Rose of Versailles, Dear Brother, Ooku, Revolutionary Girl Utena, and Life/Vitamin. Revolutionary Girl Utena has GL, and so does Dear Brother. Though even then, Dead Brother is mainly a psychological series while Revolutionary Girl Utena is mainly a magical girl series. Rose of Versailles and Ooku are historical series. Life and Vitamin are psychological series, like Dear Brother. I do like Fruits Basket and Kimi ni Todoke, but they're not my favorite series. I feel like a lot of Shoujo series are romance, so people assume that when a Shonen has "proper romance", that it's inspired by Shoujo. Even with Josei, I really like Kyoko Okazaki's works, Petshop of Horrors, and Gokusen. They aren't romance works. |
| No, I won't be participating in this challenge. I don't even have a total of 100 completed manga yet, reading manga takes up time unlike watching anime which I can just do while having a meal and not waste extra time. I do read shoujo though, currently reading Uesugi-kun wa Onnanoko wo Yametai which is really cute and pretty interesting. |
kihel said: インタビューありがとうございました！★What do you think about the interview about Yukinobu Tatsu? I don't think it is properly translated. You can find it if you look for the data. Also, as far as I can tell from the author's page on Wikipedia, I think his influences are Berserk, not shoujo manga. Excerpts from the author's interview Source link address: https://xtrend.nikkei.com/atcl/contents/18/00645/00004/ I have sent the link and highlighted the following to Colleen, the person who made the video I am talking about here. バトルマンガは昔から好きでしたし、最初の読み切りのときに、担当の林士平さんから「変わるなら描いたことのないラブコメを描きましょう！」って少女マンガが100冊送られてきて（笑）、読んでみたら、ケンカして、でもどうにか仲直りして、みたいな少年マンガにない部分がすごく好きになって――カタルシスまで持っていくフリの部分で面白みが半減しちゃうともったいないので、そこに別のベクトルでギャグとか挟んでいったら読者も飽きずに読めるかな、とか考えながらいろいろ入れ込んでいます。 Thanks to you, we can now confirm that Tatsu was indeed sent 100 copies of shoujo manga by his editor.But what shoujo manga were they? We can only wonder... kihel said: I do agree that this isn't exactly a beginner's shoujo list. I decided to do a modified version of the challenge since I talk a lot about shoujo being good on here, and I might as well actually walk the talk this time.I think this list is for people who read manga a lot, and not for beginners of shoujo manga, since there are some works with more than 30 volumes. For those who read a fair amount of shoujo manga, the list seems unbalanced, as the works on the list seem to be unevenly distributed. I don't think the list itself is bad. I can tell that the person who made it likes shoujo manga. |
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