 The Association of Japanese Animations (AJA) published its annual industry report on September 30, auditing industry trends from 2015. The report estimates that the total value of the anime market grew to a high of 1,825.3 billion yen (about US$18.1 billion) in 2015, from 1,629.6 billion yen (about US$13.5 billion) in 2014; indicating an increase in revenue by 12% compared to last year's 10%. This marks six consecutive years of positive growth of the Japanese animation industry since 2010.In 2015, the AJA attributed the progressive outcome to upsurge in rights sales and commercialization of video distribution in China. This year, a 78.7% rise in the sales of Chinese streaming rights and a 68.2% growth in the live event category have been recorded by the AJA. The AJA is the industry organization delegating for animation studios and individuals involved in the animation field, which has been publishing annual reports since 2009. The full report can be purchased from the organization's official website for 6000 yen (about US$60). Past editions of its annual industry report (2016 edition pictured) are also available for download in Japanese and in English. Source: Anime! Anime! |
VindstotSep 30, 2016 8:47 PM
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| Well it's always good news to see something that shows that the industry isn't in a decline. |
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Senpaoi said: THE ANIME INDUSTRY IS DYING AMIRITE??? B-B-BUT... ANNO SAID...! |
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| now everyone in the sales thread can stfu |
| SEE! Cute Girls Doing Cute Things IS saving anime industry. Now we have a proof... Those people who always shit like "anime is in decline" or "bad season"? needs to read this news.. |
| but.. but.. but... dvd sales is declining! guys, youy must glad that anime industries stop depending on dvd sales anymore... that's a really good imporvement... i hope what happened with manga sales also because the rise of net using too... |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: but.. but.. but... dvd sales is declining! guys, youy must glad that anime industries stop depending on dvd sales anymore... that's a really good imporvement... i hope what happened with manga sales also because the rise of net using too... 4k BD is here and Gundam has led the way into the future. However quality is all over the place, you have SoL and Idol/Music anime doing great (even though demographic balance in the number of titles is an issue with idol anime), mecha is still not improving out of the usual greats, and the few bad LN adaptations left are still becoming too popular for their own good. |
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| I'd be interested to see how this compares to numbers in the 80s and 90s (after being adjusted for inflation, of course.) |
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| so streaming rights/licenses is the new main profit maker for the anime industry then since the disc sales are in decline for like years now thats good to hear since discs (BluRay/DVD) should really die and be replace by the internet streaming and internet downloading methods |
vigorousjammer said: isn't japan got masive deflation instead in some recent years? isn't that also the reason japan economic bubble? one of ever bigest japan company in my country just closing their factory, and this is what are they blame... just checed the news, it was actualy 2, t*shiba and panas*nic...I'd be interested to see how this compares to numbers in the 80s and 90s (after being adjusted for inflation, of course.) Tenth said: j0x said: thats good to hear since discs (BluRay/DVD) should really die and be replace by the internet streaming and internet downloading methods Dumbest thing I've read in a good while. on the other hand, chinese streaming site become new big income for industries as stated in reports... not saying that dvd should die completely... but how dependent industries on those overly pricy disk is one of reason anime industry declining back than.... |
KumaSep 30, 2016 9:57 PM
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| "Anime is dying" Says every sheep ever |
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Tenth said: j0x said: thats good to hear since discs (BluRay/DVD) should really die and be replace by the internet streaming and internet downloading methods Dumbest thing I've read in a good while. with video codecs improving like H264 being replaced by H265 that will lower the file size of video more then internet video quality will be equal to BluRay discs that also uses H264 and next year there will be a new codec that will be better than H265 too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOMedia_Video_1 plus there is no commercials or those fucking stupid menus on a Web-DL version of a movie/show and the trend right now is internet streaming/downloading anyway, even on games and holywood movies the disc sales are declining since more and more people are content with internet downloading/streaming |
| Anime is dying. LOL! Modern anime appeal to general mass more than old anime. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| It would be really interesting to see a breakdown of the financial numbers based on studios. I have not seen many small studios making their name in recent years. The only one I can think of is WIT from top of my head. Most of the growth was probably coming from big fishes like Sunrise, A1 and I.G.. There surely has been a lack of originality in recent years but anyways, I am happy that there is growth in the industry. |
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| Anno you lied to us |
| We can say Osomatsu-san saved anime industry this year |
XenocrisiOct 1, 2016 2:04 AM
| Maybe it's also because of Slice of Life/Idol anime and popular/over-hyped anime every season/year. |
| Love Live saved anime |
| "Boho le evil pirates are killing the anime industry" Doesn't look that way to me Feels good man, now I can keep watching shit on kissanime with even less bad conscience than before (not that I had any to begin with) |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| And yet there's barely anything to watch every new season. Most stuff I can look forward too is mainly sequels or parts or remakes of old franchises. |
Ii tenki desu ne... |
| The problem that is, again, neglected in the news article is that while the overall influx of money is increasing the money per studio is not. There are a lot of new studios popping out every year and they produce some shit. Of course there are higher sale numbers because there is more stuff. That doesn't mean the long-standing studios are doing better (or worse for that matter). That depends on the actual sales they are having with their respective releases. |
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Miragee said: The problem that is, again, neglected in the news article is that while the overall influx of money is increasing the money per studio is not. There are a lot of new studios popping out every year and they produce some shit. Of course there are higher sale numbers because there is more stuff. That doesn't mean the long-standing studios are doing better (or worse for that matter). That depends on the actual sales they are having with their respective releases. But who said that more studios is better? If the market is oversaturated of studios, it makes sense, and it should happen, that new studios have bigger probabilities of doing badly and die. More importantly is that the estabilished big studios do well and continue doing a good work. Is when to many of these start to fail that the industry really start to suffer. |
Antanaru said: And yet there's barely anything to watch every new season. Most stuff I can look forward too is mainly sequels or parts or remakes of old franchises. You have around 70 series just this season. Now things you look forward is different from what the industry provide, and its audience. |
bigivelfhq said: Miragee said: The problem that is, again, neglected in the news article is that while the overall influx of money is increasing the money per studio is not. There are a lot of new studios popping out every year and they produce some shit. Of course there are higher sale numbers because there is more stuff. That doesn't mean the long-standing studios are doing better (or worse for that matter). That depends on the actual sales they are having with their respective releases. But who said that more studios is better? If the market is oversaturated of studios, it makes sense, and it should happen, that new studios have bigger probabilities of doing badly and die. More importantly is that the estabilished big studios do well and continue doing a good work. Is when to many of these start to fail that the industry really start to suffer. Yeah, nobody said that. I don't quite get your point. Well, I do get your point but I don't get what it has to do with my post. |
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Kuma said: but.. but.. but... dvd sales is declining! guys, youy must glad that anime industries stop depending on dvd sales anymore... that's a really good imporvement... i hope what happened with manga sales also because the rise of net using too... bd sales never had a biggest contribution to box office growth anyway. It's merchandise mostly, fallowed by international distribution (streaming sites etc) and mobile games. Physical sales are decreasing because people are moving to digital choices instead However, the current growth in the industry comes from that the number of anime made is increasing every year, which means that it's a bubble. It will explode eventually and It will be bad. Industry is on the very edge right now to be honest. |
TapuTapuuOct 1, 2016 6:04 AM
Yohimo_asakura said: i don't said that DVD is the solely income for anime,i just mean that anime distribution is too dependant on this outdated kind way which lowering their competitiveness...Kuma said: but.. but.. but... dvd sales is declining! guys, youy must glad that anime industries stop depending on dvd sales anymore... that's a really good imporvement... i hope what happened with manga sales also because the rise of net using too... bd sales never had a biggest contribution to box office growth anyway. It's merchandise mostly, fallowed by international distribution (streaming sites etc) and mobile games. Physical sales are decreasing because people are moving to digital choices instead However, the current growth in the industry comes from that the number of anime made is increasing every year, which means that it's a bubble. It will explode eventually and It will be bad. Industry is on the very edge right now to be honest. yes, the number of anime is increasing... but still in steady number.. (it still lower than 2006 btw, in total minutes).. so i would said it's not even reach their peak yet... i doubt too many anime produced is what make anime industris declaning back in 2007,,, because when competition is too hard, what happened is supposedly just decreasing in number and anime maker become more aware what they produce (just like any other industry, really)... as long not followed by economic crisis, i doubt it will ever fall that hard again in close time... (but tbh, east asia economy is currently worriying, with japan still in unstable and chinese economic growth slowdown) |
KumaOct 1, 2016 6:54 AM
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: Yohimo_asakura said: i don't said that DVD is the solely income for anime,i just mean that anime distribution is too dependant on this outdated kind way which lowering their competitiveness...bd sales never had a biggest contribution to box office growth anyway. It's merchandise mostly, fallowed by international distribution (streaming sites etc) and mobile games. Physical sales are decreasing because people are moving to digital choices instead However, the current growth in the industry comes from that the number of anime made is increasing every year, which means that it's a bubble. It will explode eventually and It will be bad. Industry is on the very edge right now to be honest. yes, the number of anime is increasing... but still in steady number.. (it still lower than 2006 btw, in total minutes).. so i would said it's not even reach their peak yet... i doubt too many anime produced is what make anime industris declaning back in 2007,,, because when competition is too hard, what happened is supposedly just decreasing in number and anime maker become more aware what they produce (just like any other industry, really)... as long not followed by economic crisis, i doubt it will ever fall that hard again in close time... (but tbh, east asia economy is currently worriying, with japan still in unstable and chinese economic growth slowdown) Y, and what's happened after 2006? A disaster. Well, it might be not the cause, because it was a global crisis just like you said, but it might be a good indicator. As much as I understand, the more anime made now pretty much equals to the less budget/money distributed between the studios and publishers, which makes them to create even more anime to survive, and the cycle goes on until some reforms are being made. The thing is, they don't become more aware of what they produce due to the production committee business model. The competition goes out of hand like this. Anime industry is flawed in general with all of the production committee bullshit, animators being paid like a dogs while VA deified etc. I wouldn't say that the number of anime is steady. It already surpassed 2006 in the number of tv programs. I've read that the number of anime made increased by more then 50%+ in the last 5 years, but it's still a little bit less than 2006 in total minutes, because the number of shorts drastically increased, which doesn't change the situation much. There were already many projections made industry economists that the current industry model should start falling apart somewhere between 2018-2020. Japan pretty rough economical situation doesn't help much too, and it wont get much better soon, because of the olympics coming up soon as well. Well, but lets wait and see, it's not like we can change something anyway... |
TapuTapuuOct 1, 2016 7:25 AM
Comic_Sans said: "Boho le evil pirates are killing the anime industry" Doesn't look that way to me Feels good man, now I can keep watching shit on kissanime with even less bad conscience than before (not that I had any to begin with) Lol... Keep torrenting shit m8... Now make a full collection in your HDD! |
Yohimo_asakura said: As much as I understand, the more anime made now pretty much equals to the less budget/money distributed between the studios and publishers, which makes them to create even more anime to survive, and the cycle goes on until some reforms are being made. The thing is, they don't become more aware of what they produce due to the production committee business model. The competition goes out of hand like this. every series has their own budget and it's estabilished by production comitee... and no, most anime have their own budget.. so how many series being made, pruduction comitee will still ask each company contribution for profit distribution... i even heard most anime have standard budget and it's really few who has higher and fewer budget said by OPM staff, polygon pictures director even stated that main problem of animation industry is not budget, but artisan works etics... Yohimo_asakura said: Anime industry is flawed in general with all of the production committee bullshit, animators being paid like a dogs while VA deified etc. > this kind of shit is exist long before production comitee even exist... it's even already exist since osamu tezuka era... > you think everyone that works have same paid? welcome to the working world guys... sorry, your paid is not because how much you work, but how much profitable you are to company... > it's look like you have really big unreasonable grudge againts production committee... production committee happened because tv station stop funding anime, instead they make their own shows... so, rather than reliying on tv station, company who get profit from an anime making (like original source publisher, toys company, marchendise ownership, ETC) start funding anime that give profit to them on their own... of course production comitee not always a good things because more hand got involved with anime making with thier own need... but hey, at least it's better than nothing.. Yohimo_asakura said: There were already many projections made industry economists that the current industry model should start falling apart somewhere between 2018-2020. Japan pretty rough economical situation doesn't help much too, and it wont get much better soon, because of the olympics coming up soon as well. we can only hope that olympic bring more money to japan and boosting economy growth... |
KumaOct 1, 2016 7:54 AM
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| And then all those voice actors and mangakas coming out saying don't torrent and pirate stuff. MAN GET THE FUCK OUTTA MY FACE YOU STUTTERING BITCH. |
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| @Kuma Maybe... What I really meant is not a budget but the money in general the studios get. Well anyway, lets wait a little bit for more news from higher up... "The AJA will publish an English version of their study at a later date, which will go into depth about where all the money is coming from and trends within the industry." P.s It looks like 2016 will be saved by Kimi no na wa |
TapuTapuuOct 1, 2016 8:21 AM
Miragee said: bigivelfhq said: But who said that more studios is better? If the market is oversaturated of studios, it makes sense, and it should happen, that new studios have bigger probabilities of doing badly and die. More importantly is that the estabilished big studios do well and continue doing a good work. Is when to many of these start to fail that the industry really start to suffer. Yeah, nobody said that. I don't quite get your point. Well, I do get your point but I don't get what it has to do with my post. Probably I misunderstood what you were saying. Still what you're saying isn't really a problem or something the article neglected. What is being studied in the article is the industry as a whole, note though this is just the summary, the entirety of the book/article is not public, the companies pay a ton of money to get their hands on it, and has a ton of more detail and studies of many perspertives. Also note that more studios doing more stuff, normally doesn't mean more money overall, quite the opposite. If you just had 1 company doing 1 big anime in the entire industry that would generate more money(if popular to handle the industry alone) than a group of series handled by many companies. Basically, are the blockbusters series and the Biggest companies that mainly do the difference in earnings in the industry, and bigger fragmentation of those brings lost not gain. In the end like you said, it depends on the actual sales they are having. Not just for "their respective releases" but also overall. In the end is noteworthy to note that the biggest animation company, Toei Animation, and by bigger I'm talking of doing 2 to 3 times more than the 2nd place normally, increased 11% sales from the previous year. Getting an increase almost equal to the 12% of the entire industry. |
bigivelfhqOct 1, 2016 8:28 AM
Yohimo_asakura said: @Kuma Maybe... What I really meant is not a budget but the money in general the studios get. Well anyway, lets wait a little bit for more news from higher up... "The AJA will publish an English version of their study at a later date, which will go into depth about where all the money is coming from and trends within the industry." That study, that in reality is an entire book full of studies about the industry, is payed, and is expensive, around 500 dollars or more I believe. We never got leaks in the past years about it and the probability of getting them right now is also almost nill. Unless the animation studios isn't a contracted company or in the contract as some clause about extra conditions to receive money from the product, than the budget is exactly the same as money in general the studio gets. If you're talking of production committee, than almost all animation studios working with it are just contracted! |
| People are talking alout about streaming being one of the main way of making money in the industry, but that is not true. In fact is because streaming is just something really blooming right now that is getting such massive increases. Last time I checked the biggest animation studio companies, TV licensing still makes the biggest portion of money for the companies. Even in China, they are also increasing their anime TV deals. Of course that streaming is giving a lot more options for those companies that don't have possibility to get their anime in Television overseas, but streaming is still not the preferred source of incoming for releasing anime overseas. |
| This includes all animation not just Japanese ones. Still impressive, it increased even after the previous year had frozen's huge sales. Next year will pass $20 billion due to higher streaming and kimi no na wa (or does that count for 2017?) |
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bigivelfhq said: Yohimo_asakura said: @Kuma Maybe... What I really meant is not a budget but the money in general the studios get. Well anyway, lets wait a little bit for more news from higher up... "The AJA will publish an English version of their study at a later date, which will go into depth about where all the money is coming from and trends within the industry." That study, that in reality is an entire book full of studies about the industry, is payed, and is expensive, around 500 dollars or more I believe. We never got leaks in the past years about it and the probability of getting them right now is also almost nill. Unless the animation studios isn't a contracted company or in the contract as some clause about extra conditions to receive money from the product, than the budget is exactly the same as money in general the studio gets. If you're talking of production committee, than almost all animation studios working with it are just contracted! Hmm I've seen something like that last year tho. At least the summarized statistics with some projections/speculations etc. which was quite interesting to look at. Yes they are contracted I know, but what I meant is that they being paid badly from them. Also what I meant before is that the number of anime growing is not proportional to the growing of funding/budget in general, which makes them pay less to animators etc. I've read that the funding is decreasing. Japan is an expensive country, some studios even hire amateur animators from Philippines (ex: Toei - Dragon ball super etc) and so because it's become not as profitable to do in Japan, because very few want to work with the salary they are paid now, especially as a professionals. |
bigivelfhq said: People are talking alout about streaming being one of the main way of making money in the industry, but that is not true. In fact is because streaming is just something really blooming right now that is getting such massive increases. Last time I checked the biggest animation studio companies, TV licensing still makes the biggest portion of money for the companies. Even in China, they are also increasing their anime TV deals. Of course that streaming is giving a lot more options for those companies that don't have possibility to get their anime in Television overseas, but streaming is still not the preferred source of incoming for releasing anime overseas. That might be true. Regarding this, the international market (brown), which consist mostly of international licenses and streaming, made 0.5833 trillion yen, that is even more than merchandise (green) - 0.8794 trillion yen. The international market exploded, due to mentioned Chinese streaming commercialization. " And people are still talking that overseas has no impact to the industry, lol |
TapuTapuuOct 1, 2016 9:05 AM
| Well ,that's good to hear . On a side note , how is that " pirate hunter guy " doing ? |
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ichii_1 said: This includes all animation not just Japanese ones. Still impressive, it increased even after the previous year had frozen's huge sales. Next year will pass $20 billion due to higher streaming and kimi no na wa (or does that count for 2017?) Nope, AJA only talks of Japan. AJA -> Association of Japanese Animation! |
Yohimo_asakura said: bigivelfhq said: That study, that in reality is an entire book full of studies about the industry, is payed, and is expensive, around 500 dollars or more I believe. We never got leaks in the past years about it and the probability of getting them right now is also almost nill. Unless the animation studios isn't a contracted company or in the contract as some clause about extra conditions to receive money from the product, than the budget is exactly the same as money in general the studio gets. If you're talking of production committee, than almost all animation studios working with it are just contracted! Hmm I've seen something like that last year tho. At least the summarized statistics with some projections/speculations etc. which was quite interesting to look at. Yes they are contracted I know, but what I meant is that they being paid badly from them. Also what I meant before is that the number of anime growing is not proportional to the growing of funding/budget in general, which makes them pay less to animators etc. I've read that the funding is decreasing. Japan is an expensive country, some studios even hire amateur animators from Philippines (ex: Toei - Dragon ball super etc) and so because it's become not as profitable to do in Japan, because very few want to work with the salary they are paid now, especially as a professionals. That is in fact just the summary. Toei Philippines, that are the ones you're talking of Dragon Ball Super, is a subsidiary company that Toei Animation created in 1992, and since then does outsourcing work for Toei Animation and even other studios(like for Lupin III: The Woman Called Fujiko Mine). Dragon Ball Z already had Toei Philippines hands on it. Is not something that started in Super. Also is important to note that people at Toei Philippines receive as much, and sometimes better, than workers in other Japanese studios of Japan. Toei Animation does outsources work to them, from a long time, because they have to pay a lot to their own employees. Due to syndication an employee, even if just freelancer, has to receive a ton of benefits from the company, including high salary. As I showed in another thread, Toei Animation as to pay in 2.5 times more than other Japanese studio pay in average for their employees. Outsourcing is not something new, and the biggest reason for that in reality isn't because of money, but because of lack of workforce and limited time. Though, money is still a big factor for outsourcing outside of the country. Though I don't know where you heard that funding is decreasing. And I don't see the reason for that to be true in the current bubble we found ourselves in. Also note, that the payment of people working for the industry isn't bad in overall, what is bad, and it was since the beginning of animation, is the first layer of work, the entrance to the animation industry, the in-between animators(and one of the reasons Disney closed the door for their 2D animation and now just do 3D). |
| I expect another increase next year because of kimi no na wa and Osomatsu-san. |
| Anime is growing but at what cost? http://i.imgur.com/jNwBoLS.jpg |
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| The increased amount of fujobait anime is bringing in new, fresh wallets into the market. |
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| what's problem with that? |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Yohimo_asakura said: bigivelfhq said: People are talking alout about streaming being one of the main way of making money in the industry, but that is not true. In fact is because streaming is just something really blooming right now that is getting such massive increases. Last time I checked the biggest animation studio companies, TV licensing still makes the biggest portion of money for the companies. Even in China, they are also increasing their anime TV deals. Of course that streaming is giving a lot more options for those companies that don't have possibility to get their anime in Television overseas, but streaming is still not the preferred source of incoming for releasing anime overseas. That might be true. Regarding this, the international market (brown), which consist mostly of international licenses and streaming, made 0.5833 trillion yen, that is even more than merchandise (green) - 0.8794 trillion yen. The international market exploded, due to mentioned Chinese streaming commercialization. " And people are still talking that overseas has no impact to the industry, lol Thx for graph. Interesting how overseas sales grew to 32% of the general market, and officially the biggest piece of the anime pie. Strange how merchandise suddenly shrunk last year. And video sales (assuming dvd/bd) at 1/18 the market has been near irrelevant and slowly decreasing since 2013. |
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