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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- "The Secret of the Angel" Oscar and Andre return to their manor. Polignac manipulates Antoinete into giving her family undeserved wealth and ranking, causing resentment among the nobles. Oscar tells her father about everything she had seen in Arras, but is rebuked for her rule-breaking and told to ignore the peasants. Rosalie finds a job at Beltin Dressmakers---right before her mother is run over by Polignac's carriage. Before she dies, her mother tells her that she is not her real child, and that her real mother was someone called "Martine Gabrielle". Rosalie is comforted by Bernard Chatelet, a news reporter who promises to help her whenever she needs it. Swearing to avenge her mother's death, she heads towards Versailles, and mistakes Madame Jarjayes for Polignac. Oscar foils her attempt to stab the Madame. After hearing her story, Oscar takes her in as her protege so she could enter court and avenge her mother. synopsis courtesy of Wikipedia Comments: Oh Antoinette, she's so clueless. She is only making her situation worse. -more "father slaps" -Rosalie got a job! Yay! ...nevermind D= -how many ppl get wacked by speeding carriages in this show? -Martine Gabrielle? -Polignac seems manipulative, but not evil. She was just desperate and took advantage of a situation. -enter Bernard Chatelet, will he be important in the future? -Oscar has an apprentice? *thumbs up* -what has that other evil lil' b*tch, Jeanne been up to? |
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| Hummm... I wonder why was Rosalie given into someone else' care... I mean, there must be a real reason for that... you don't just give up your child just like that, do you? Polignac is a biiig coward... and she has no sense or responsibility, so she's just okay for being a noble. pmph I'm burious about that boy as well... and can't w8 to see Rosalie fencing XD... the ending pic was kind'a spooky tho... they either got Oscar's grin wrong, either Oscar is not what we were made think she is... hummm... |
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| You know it was Rosalie's mom fault, she should have looked both ways, and she had a little time to react. Otherwise I like the idea of an apprentice for Oscar. |
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| So Rosalie wants to kill someone and Oscar is so willing to train her, wat Also is it wrong that I laughed when I saw Rosalie's mother about get hit by a carriage? Characters in this show need to stop aimlessly walking in the middle of the road. |
MagEarwhig said: So Rosalie wants to kill someone and Oscar is so willing to train her, wat Also is it wrong that I laughed when I saw Rosalie's mother about get hit by a carriage? Characters in this show need to stop aimlessly walking in the middle of the road. They need traffic lights |
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| Ahhh it's all so frustrating! Antoinetttttte RAWR but generally I'm loving this anime. I feel like it's helping me understand Utena better ^^ my friend teased for me watching sumn from 1979 but screw them! |
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DonKangolJones said: -more "father slaps" -Rosalie got a job! Yay! ...nevermind D= -how many ppl get wacked by speeding carriages in this show? -Martine Gabrielle? -Polignac seems manipulative, but not evil. She was just desperate and took advantage of a situation. -enter Bernard Chatelet, will he be important in the future? -Oscar has an apprentice? *thumbs up* -what has that other evil lil' b*tch, Jeanne been up to? Pretty sums up my thoughts about the episode. So far not many characters have been introduced that don't reappear sometime, so I guess we'll see Bernard again in the future. It was also good to see Oscar drifting more and more towards a radical anti-noble disposition, and with Rosalie there is finally some action that Oscar can take to help a commoner (though in fact she's not) against nobility. |
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| Why am I getting the feeling that Oscar is going to ultimately side with the commoners? Well, she couldn't, because I'm sure the normal people see her as being as bad as Antoinette just because she is a noble. But, really, I suppose it's far to early to tell how this series is going to end up. I to thought it was odd that Oscar helped Rosalie just like that and that it was kind of cheesy for her mother to get hit by that cart. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3soldiern said: Why am I getting the feeling that Oscar is going to ultimately side with the commoners? Well, she couldn't, because I'm sure the normal people see her as being as bad as Antoinette just because she is a noble. But, really, I suppose it's far to early to tell how this series is going to end up. I to thought it was odd that Oscar helped Rosalie just like that and that it was kind of cheesy for her mother to get hit by that cart. I'll just be totally unoriginal and echo all your thoughts. Pretty sure that Oscar already is ultimately on the side of the commoners, and maybe she'll ditch her noble status? Or work in the commoners' favours from behind the scenes, within the courts of Versailles? Definitely a bit cheesy for yet another character to get hit by a carriage... Makes me wonder if death-by-carriage-accident was common before the advent of crosswalks and traffic lights. |
| Geez Rosalie, Jeanne, and their mother sure like to play in traffic. xD So I guess Rosalie will become of noble status now eventually? It pretty much spoils that in the ending where she is wearing a better dress than the old ragged one she had on. |
"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD" |
| Look both ways before crossing the street, ladies! Sheesh, you'd think they would have learned by now. |
| Ugh and the tragedies just keep rolling. The tension is getting worse. I wonder when it finally is going to break? |
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| Stop look listen before you cross the street. |
| Oh, the poor unfortunate girl finally get's lucked out. Nothing bad is so not going to happen. |
| The moment Rosalie got the job, I knew fate would crap on her soon. As for her mother, it's clear that she was delirious from her illness. Next time you suffer from a fever, see if you can think clearly. Odds are you won't. Accident or not, it's clear that this broke her. A lot of injustices have been thrown her way, this latest one right after she had a reason to be hopeful. It might even be that things would have gone in a completely different direction if de Polignac had acknowledged the act instead of driving off and flaunting her status. So Oscar is going to teach Rosalie swordplay... Well, her father did command her to practice her skills instead of thinking about the fate of the commoners. She's simply following his orders. |
| Somewhere, there is an unplugged toaster sitting on a Coleman stove. Does it feel lonely? |
| so Oscar's finally taken Rosalie under his wing... I wonder if Rosalie will meet with Jeanne at Versailles... the plot is getting better and better! I can't wait to see the next episode ^^ |
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Confucius said: MagEarwhig said: So Rosalie wants to kill someone and Oscar is so willing to train her, wat Also is it wrong that I laughed when I saw Rosalie's mother about get hit by a carriage? Characters in this show need to stop aimlessly walking in the middle of the road. They need traffic lights Yeah, people need to watch where they're walking. Love how the nobles don't even care that they hit people with the carriages too |
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| As soon as Rosalie got the job I knew that something bad was gonna happen >,> |
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| it was an alright episode, better than that ridiculous war between Marie and du Barry well glad to see a villain who isn't necessary crazy, she even kinda feels guilty about killing a person....oh goody what a saint we have |
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| Oh, I get it. The reason why I'm so irked by the aristocracy is because the anime doing things right. I question the manner which everyone acts, as it seems so literal in creating guilty and victim parties. However, this most certainly sets the stage for revolution. An important element here though is how we, as the viewer, can understand Marie's mannerisms and how her bubbly nature can be seen as a blatant disregard towards the people. This actually does make her seem tragic, for in the anime, she has no ill intentions. Second is the presence of Oscar and Andre, whom react the same way which someone watching this anime might. This shows that the anime does consider the story from a third person view, one apart from the aristocracy, those in royalty, and the destitute. That being said, seeing Oscar cursing nobles is a step to creating an imbalance. For some reason, it's quite easy to sympathize with those whom are suffering. Perhaps I'm simply inserting my own views into this, but even still, it all seems too blatant and convenient to create conflict. Or, again, perhaps this is the true nature of things, which very easily fanned the flames of revolution. My biggest concern so far is how this all seems so straightforward, but because it's so blatant, it shows the striking disconnect between the rich and poor. For Oscar and Andre, as well as the viewer, the absurdity is just so jarring. I'm being critical, and will continue being critical, of Rose of Versailles because I believe that I believe that it's something great. Because of this though, small missteps are more apparent since everything else seems right. I love the fact that I can pick apart this show, even at this early stage, because it shows that Rose of Versailles taut and rich full of substance. Regardless of whether any underlying themes I see are intentional, I appreciate that this show presents the opportunity to dig into its story and characters. |
| Poor Rosalie... But I guess she couldn't help, it RUNS in the family. (Oh God, kill me) Its kinda weird how Oscar is helping someone to commit murder... |
| So she just happens to FINALLY find work for no particular reason at all, just an "ok start tomorrow" then seconds later her mother gets run down. Suuuure. Gotta heighten that tragedy by any means necessary, right? I'm very disappointed with the awful writing in this series, I expected so much more. |
| Rosalie got a job! What could possibly go wrong? Oooh, of course her mother dies after getting hit by a carriage, and the noble is an asshole again and just leaves. And Oscar just decides to train her so she can take revenge, ok. RoV has 26 episodes left to prove me why it deserves a place, not to the top 200, but to the top 1000 of MAL, this anime is just awful so far. |
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| Can people like watch where they're walking in this show lmao. I know Rosalie's mom was sick but still it's not like there aren't any carriages on the streets daily What Oscar is doing is kind of dumb, I think, because she lives there and she is gonna help Rosalie take revenge against a noble person who also lives there. It's like she's betraying the people she works for. On a side note, it wasn't exactly Polignac's fault because she wasn't driving the carriage or anything. It was definitely a dick move to abandon Rosalie's mom instead of offering help, but I don't think this equals 'killing' her, as Rosalie put it. |
| Rosalie is also on her way to the court,so it probably won't take long until she meets her sister again. Also wonder when everyone fill out about her being a noble. |
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| lmao this anime is so dumb "Hey, let me, a royal guard, train you and let you infiltrate the palace to kill one of the people I'm supposed to protect because I believed your sob story just like that" t. oscaru |
| Poor Rosalie, after finally securing a job..to end up losing her mother by the nobles. Even though the mother isn't Rosalie's real mother, they still share a strong bond...and bad luck in getting hit by carriages... Well glad Oscar managed to stop her from making a grave mistake because of a mistaken identity and but kinda weird how she takes her under her wings considering her position. |
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| Getting run over by a carriage seems to be the most common cause of death after hunger and palace intrigue in pre revolutionary France. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| It's not even a tragic death anymore , because of Rosalie being hit so often it became a running gag in my head and I even giggled a bit. They overexaggerate everything so much it becomes stupid. Oscar is gonna be a part of revolution and not on queen's side it seems. Rosalie is such an INFP I can't ... she's too clumsy to kill anyone and 0 planning abilities don't help either. |
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| I want Rosalie to find the woman who killed her mother and end her. |
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| -Rosalie is asking the right question there. Why is her mum in the middle of a street when she should be resting on her bed? -The least that Polignac could do was check up on her. They need to teach morals up there in Versailles |
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Farabeuf said: Getting run over by a carriage seems to be the most common cause of death after hunger and palace intrigue in pre revolutionary France. idk why but I fucking LOL at this statement .. so true Why are so many ppl getting ran over in this series ? |
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kushmonatl said: Farabeuf said: Getting run over by a carriage seems to be the most common cause of death after hunger and palace intrigue in pre revolutionary France. idk why but I fucking LOL at this statement .. so true Why are so many ppl getting ran over in this series ? I don't know, found it bloody hilarious too. I wonder if it's that was in the source material too? Horses are huge and strong and a kick from one can end you; and a big carriage I suppose has a lot of momentum, but they would make a lot of noise and one should be able to evade one easily enough. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Not time to take down those nobles with la revolution, is time to get a student so she could go and get revenge against that rich woman, maybe Oscar is planning take them down one by one lol. |
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| I'm rolling my eyes so much at this show, not sure why I haven't dropped this shit yet lol it was her mom's fault so actually Rosalie owes de Polignac for damaging her mental health (as the daughter of the true culprit). how's about that now? "poor Rosalie"... yeah sure. two sisters are quite alike turns out Abusaeed said: lmao this anime is so dumb "Hey, let me, a royal guard, train you and let you infiltrate the palace to kill one of the people I'm supposed to protect because I believed your sob story just like that" t. oscaru and she wasn't even driving the cart... so it's even worse, Oscaru was ok with the "I'm going to kill the woman who was not driving the cart but she was inside so" bs the whole thing often feels like it was written by a child |
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| Another truly wonderful episode, the writing just keeps getting better, I can't wait to see what happens next! |
| This show is godlike dude. The way the real historical events are dramatized and everything proceeds like a tragic play, fate is written in stone... Beautiful. |
| I'm liking Polignac for a villain. Now, as cartoonishly evil as these villains are, they are realistic. Some rich people are sick and get amusement from hurting others. Some screw people over to better themselves, and to cover their tracks. That said, that doesn't mean that I have to like these cartoonishly evil villains that have no charisma. Some villains are pure evil and have charisma. Like the Joker from Batman. He's a charismatic villain that's always a fun watch on the screen. Then there's Joffrey from Game of Thrones. Both of them are evil just for the sake of amusement, and there's no redeemable qualities in either. Though the Joker is fun while Joffrey is just miserable. You hate watching Joffrey on the screen. Joffrey's not a villain that you love to hate, he's a villain that you hate to hate. That's my problem with some of the villains here. I didn't enjoy the Duke that Oscar had a duel with, Orleans is just boring, and Jeanne is just miserable. Madame Du Barry was at least amusing. Polignac isn't all that amusing, but I do like the hidden depth. She just wants what's best for her family, and is using her charms to do. She also has some guilt about running over Rosalie's mom, but she's not willing to tarnish her image of an angel, to do anything about it. Oscar is becoming more radicalized and helping Rosalie. This is going to set off drama because Rosalie's sister, Jeanne, is making her way to Versailles. Plus, Polignac is in Versailles as well. Rosalie's two 'enemies' are in Versailles. |
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