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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- From the 2nd Cour (this episode) onwards: https://twitter.com/higu_anime/status/1347173644074692608 WELP, looks like what Rena had proclaimed in Tataridamashi rings true: Detective Ooishi WAS Oyashiro-sama, and brutally murdering everyone in the Hinamizawa Village. Rika finding herself back in the time fragment space with Hanyuu, reagrdless of how much timeloop has passed and gone, going through another 100 years is a torture in itself (as if Episode 2 didn't foreshadow the horror to come). But after all this time, it seems as if like we're closer and no closer to the truth behind all the parallels. Nipah your way through, Rika. Back to Nekodamashi, and already, something's amiss with Rika. Playing their usual tag game with Keiichi and Co., things are different in this timeloop. Rika will be central to the plot, and who knows how long her tragedy will last. Onigarinoryuou: Hanyuu's last fragment for a whisk parting, what would Rika do with it...the sword that kills "loops". A beginning that has no end...and not even the end will resolve anything at all. |
KANLen09Jan 7, 2021 4:39 PM
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| Arigatou Oyashiro-sama Watanagashi and Nekodamashi, This is actually still a continuation of the previous arc so it's not new, hard to say. I think that Oyashiro-sama curse only applies to the residents who live in Hinamizawa. Somehow Oishi was influenced by Oyashiro-sama. Killing in the early, damn. I'm a little annoyed with Oishi who slaughtered Keiichi's friends, Shion and Mion too shit. Rika already knows everything about how to live and how to fight as a repeat. What can Rika do should Rika not think it's all too much. Rika should have noticed that this was different world. Rika wondered if she can change the future. Rika couldn't think of a way to protect herself from Oishi but Rika had good friends, Rika had also done extra things and used The power of repeating time without permission. Rika was already exhausted after 100 years of traveling. Not 1983 for her. Now Rika is not a little girl, finally Rika can get a new life in Hinamizawa However, even if Rika dragged onto Hinamizawa again thanks to the power of words, even if Rika run away from the tragedy again, Rika can't understand that it might be in 1983. Onigarinoryuou? A sword that can kill those who repeat, i dont understand, really... Rika can keep memories in their perfect form, Kashira. Onigarinoryuou has been taken away, only rubble remains ... Rika still hopes with a fate, if this is the last and if this is still fails then giving up is the only way. |
| We're back to Rika's POV for now. Really sad to see her suffer from these unfortunate events. Damn, Ooishi was . It would be nice for things to reveal slowly in the next episodes. |
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| These episodes are so dark.. brightness up. Ooshi no... looks like he was overcome by oyashiro sama's curse. Rika-chama doesn't want to repeat any more. Been 100 years. She's going to give it 5 more tries. She can kill herself anytime now. Well it's sad to see Hanyuu go. But she had to use her power to help Rika.  |
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| Damn man, my heart broke for Rikka this episode. She’s been through so much and now the one person she’s had at her side through it all is gone. I’m a bit confused on how Oishi became infected with the syndrome though. That whole sequence was really brutal. Great first episode back! |
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| The start of the episode definitely shocked me...everyone being murdered so brutally... But I feel like getting a lot of information from this episode, especially for someone who didn't watch the old version. Never expected Rika's timeloop. So I guess she is the one who can change the future with the help of everyone, especially her friends |
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| So, we know the culprit behind the killing in the ending of Tataridamashi-hen, that killing scene was totally brutal. Poor poor Rika-chama, she is really depressing and suffers too much already. 😭 |
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| Man, R07 better have a good explanation for this shit because it's starting to feel like torture porn now. Yes it's nice the story is (finally) progressing, but I do wonder what is the point of all of this. The original had a nice message about overcoming fate and trusting your friends and Rei was a nice conclusion to Rika arc and how she should fine happiness as a person... I really do wonder how he's going to justify this emotional torture. |
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| Damn gore is defiintely back, it was really terrifying, really great episode as always, especially for the whole Rika - Hanyuu part |
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| I'm still questioning what the overall end goal of this version is because it feels so much more... directionless than the original. All these new story developments are cool and all but most of the time I'm just left wondering why |
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| this is getting less and less newcomer friendly. this is currently the best episode imo. Finally a answer arc!! now we wait another 7 days. Something hits different about a suicidal loli trying to save her friends. |
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| FINALLY A GOOD EPISODE! Man it was getting really boring since most of the stuff in the previous arcs was recycling the OG anime. Ooishi going on a rampage was kinda whack. Like, he doesn't have infinite bullets does he? Someone clearly could have knocked down the gun while he was reloading. Hanynuu leaving was pretty sad, but I'm sure we'll see her Umineko replacement soon. I hear a couple of people say that the fragment that Rika picks up in the OP has some connection to Ciconia. Can someone tell me that the sword here confirms that theory? Idk since I've never read the VN. I still think that Takano is the mastermind. |
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| Sorry for speaking in riddles below, there's no telling that someone who hasn't read all the WTC series will open the spoiler box. So, Hanyuu has finally given Rika all her powers and ceased to exist. It may look like someone stole the sword, but it's probably there since Hanyuu's ancient times, so it's ruined. I could be wrong, though. My theory on the meta world: |
| Certainly not the kind of answer arc I expected but it's good to finally get Rika-chan's POV. Damn, they actually went ahead and showed Ooishi-san's massacring. Clearly the curse got to him but the question as to why remains. Hanyu's time coming to an end now. Poor Rika-chan, that must be awful. Seeing her breakdown like that was heart-breaking honestly. Didn't know such a convenient weapon existed though. Killing reincarnators, huh? We know who that is directed to. 5 more tries to go. How very interesting indeed! I'm so glad they decided to keep up with the same Op & ED, by the way. Not very modern but I bet many Higurashi-stans favour this. |
#Anime4Life be my Life Motto! #PrayForKyoAni  |
| Finally! As someone who didn't watch the old series, things have become so much more clearer now. |
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| really really solid episode only problem I have with it is that ppl will be confused or the episode won't hit as hard for those who have not seen the OG |
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_MushiRock11_ said: Didn't know such a convenient weapon existed though. Killing reincarnators, huh? We know who that is directed to. 5 more tries to go. How very interesting indeed! I'm so glad they decided to keep up with the same Op & ED, by the way. Not very modern but I bet many Higurashi-stans favour this. That sword was mentioned at the end of Matsuribayashi. And they already announced a new ending 2 weeks ago, it'll probably be in the 5th arc along with a new OP. |
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| I like this change of events, this was a great episode, the best episode of the new series so far. |
| Ooishi massacre was quite gruesome and damn Rika didn't forget how she died. That's gotta be painful. So Hanyuu is no more, her farewell scene was emotional. I feel bad for Rika, now she won't have Hanyuu by her side anynore but dun give up girl. I know you can do it. |
MegamiRemJan 21, 2021 4:48 AM
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| Now if you haven't seen OG there is no turning back to watch it after watching this episode. |
| After one week break, the beginning massacre was very refreshing. If i'm not mistaken, it was the first time Ooishi killed a main character(s). I was really expecting new opening and ending, so seeing the old ones was a huge let down. Finally we get more info about Rika's new time loop. A weapon that can kill loopers? Kinda weird that it wasn't mentioned in the previous seasons, but my expectations for Gou were pretty low from the start. RIP Hanyuu. |
ArcueidBestGirl said: Ikr, her scrapbooks can drive anyone insane. Even though I have another archetype in mind, I wouldn't be surprised that in Onidamashi she was trying to save her father from aliens.I still think that Takano is the mastermind. Hah, I knew it. I'm about to start Minagoroshi's VN, and I don't remember details from Matsuribayashi in anime, just briefly what happened. But I had a feeling it was the same sword, Talking about VN, |
Clearly you've never read Fate/Stay Night lol. The battles in the VN are much better than their anime counterparts. |
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rafaelfserafim said: Sorry for speaking in riddles below, there's no telling that someone who hasn't read all the WTC series will open the spoiler box. So, Hanyuu has finally given Rika all her powers and ceased to exist. It may look like someone stole the sword, but it's probably there since Hanyuu's ancient times, so it's ruined. I could be wrong, though. My theory on the meta world: Who is Hanein? Never heard that before. |
ArcueidBestGirl said: No, I haven't even watched the anime. It never caught my interest, because the person suggesting it so much to me had really bad tastes, so I thought it was just hype.Clearly you've never read Fate/Stay Night lol. The battles in the VN are much better than their anime counterparts. I was planning to read Tsukihime though, after reading the WTC series, but now with the announcement of the remake, I think I'm gonna wait. Regardless, it'll take really long time for me to read the remaining main arcs, the console arcs, umineko, ciconia. I'm also curious about Higanbana and Iwaihime, all Steins;Gate routes, until then there'll be a translation for the remake lol. |
ssjokg said: rafaelfserafim said: Sorry for speaking in riddles below, there's no telling that someone who hasn't read all the WTC series will open the spoiler box. So, Hanyuu has finally given Rika all her powers and ceased to exist. It may look like someone stole the sword, but it's probably there since Hanyuu's ancient times, so it's ruined. I could be wrong, though. My theory on the meta world: Who is Hanein? Never heard that before. |
rafaelfserafimJan 7, 2021 11:32 AM
| Kinda depressing episode, damn... |
| Watch some Umineko fans be disappointed when it turns out that Gou has no solid relation whatsoever to it beyond references. But regardless, I sincerely hope Umineko never comes into play here. |
astroprogs said: I, too, hope it only ends up as a reference. The reference is probably only implying that things are happening in the background, to expand wide the imagination. But apart from the sea of fragments, I don't think it'll leave the human world, or that Umineko's supernatural beings will show up. Not even other Higurashi supernatural beings that weren't introduced before in anime format, they have no context in the main story, and would leave the majority of the audience in the blue, me included.Watch some Umineko fans be disappointed when it turns out that Gou has no solid relation whatsoever to it beyond references. But regardless, I sincerely hope Umineko never comes into play here. |
rafaelfserafimJan 7, 2021 11:55 AM
| Wow I didn't expect to see that start to the episode. It really sucks to be Rika. Curious where this arc will go. Will we see her quickly exhaust four more loops and final arc is last loop? Is this still a question arc? Dumb question: In OG Higurashi, why was Rika able to remember looping, but not remember specifically the killer...? _cenjoo said: This episode just really reminds me of how tragic Rika is as a character. She mentioned she was able to get through the loop, but then put back . . . does that mean this takes place after Higurashi Kai? Anyways I feel real bad for Rika man, if you put yourself in her shoes I probably would've given up after 1-5 years. That takes some crazy resolve to be able to do that for 100+ years. Isn't she in a school uniform in ep 2 scene with Hanyuu? Makes it seem like Gou (for Rika) takes place five years after the end of Kai. |
Weird, how was Meakashi boring? It's my favorite arc tbh, but Tsumihoroboshi was great too. And yeah Mina and Matsuri aren't as great as Meakashi and Tsumi, but they're still good. |
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Gar_Logan said: Dumb question: In OG Higurashi, why was Rika able to remember looping, but not remember specifically the killer...? . She doesn't remember anything from the moment of her death and what exactly happened before it. If you're asking why doesn't she remember that then idk lol, and in Matsuribayashi she forgets everything about Minagoroshi not just how she was killed so it's kinda random i think. |
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Tsukumo_Yuuma said: I didn't mean to say it's boring, but I didn't like the pacing. The same I could say to Watanagashi, but it was probably ruined to me because of the anime.Weird, how was Meakashi boring? It's my favorite arc tbh, but Tsumihoroboshi was great too. And yeah Mina and Matsuri aren't as great as Meakashi and Tsumi, but they're still good. Shion's story is very interesting, the anime kinda puts her as an yandere, but in the VN you can see more clearly her motives, and the point where things screwed up. I wouldn't say it was by accident, because her existence itself began in an ambient of rejection. It doesn't make everyone who rejected her entirely rid of guilt at all, just because of how badly it scalated. Tbh what probably annoyed me was how many times the phrases ended ", unlike Satoshi-kun" in ridiculous comparisons, but it was her mental state after all. I can understand her motives, but her repetitive comparisons of him to Keiichi kinda annoyed me, or her comparisons about how better she is than her sister. That line of thought from her personality felt kinda annoying to me. |
| Poor Rika. I am glad we are getting a new story, but this anime just rips Rika and the friends of her happy ending that they fought for near 100years to archive and its kinda sad. To make things worse seems like Hanyuu is now gone for good after she was her sole friend who understood her. |
| Rika thinks Hanyuu gave her the blade to kill herself for real, but that can't be true Another Looper exist and that blade will be used on them cuz they are probably fucking over Rika and co. |
Tsukumo_Yuuma said: Gar_Logan said: Dumb question: In OG Higurashi, why was Rika able to remember looping, but not remember specifically the killer...? . She doesn't remember anything from the moment of her death and what exactly happened before it. If you're asking why doesn't she remember that then idk lol, and in Matsuribayashi she forgets everything about Minagoroshi not just how she was killed so it's kinda random i think. Hinzamizawa is a "gameboard" played between Hanyuu and another godlike being, and Rika is Hanyuu's piece "explained in Umineko" One of the game rules is that Rika can not remember who killed her and how she dies and have to figure it out on her own. |
Jin_uzuki said: Man, R07 better have a good explanation for this shit because it's starting to feel like torture porn now. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this, Jesus Christ. This better be the Bernkastel origin story or else nothing about it will make sense in terms of Rika's character arc, which truly finished with "Dice-Killing". While I'm not adverse to the idea of Ooishi falling victim to Hinamizawa Syndrome since he is an outsider (...as far as I'm aware? But I mean... why would Oyashiro's messenger be an outsider, anyway?), I'm honestly failing to see how it is he ended up snapping this time around. I suppose if Takano and Tomitake aren't anywhere to be found by police or anything, someone would have to take their place, but usually that could fall to Irie, and Ooishi tends to go missing because the Yamainu take him out. There's no real bad blood between Ooishi and Teppei, Teppei is only ever on the police's radar because they suspect him of being Rina's murderer. Killing him trying to arrest him shouldn't trigger anything, for instance. Hanyuu leaving Rika like that is rather out-of-character, fragment or not. She may feel she's useless, but she's not heartless as to tell Rika "I'm out, good luck." There's definitely some fuckery going on about. If it has anything more to do with Umineko beyond this point, honestly I'm going to be lost for the time being lol. I'm hoping I'll be able to get into the meat of Umineko before Gou finishes, it's a goal of mine to complete the sound novels during this watch and I haven't finished Higurashi yet. |
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Devil_Slayer said: Tsukumo_Yuuma said: She doesn't remember anything from the moment of her death and what exactly happened before it. If you're asking why doesn't she remember that then idk lol, and in Matsuribayashi she forgets everything about Minagoroshi not just how she was killed so it's kinda random i think. Hinzamizawa is a "gameboard" played between Hanyuu and another godlike being, and Rika is Hanyuu's piece. One of the game rules is that Rika can not remember who killed her and how she dies and have to figure it out on her own. Is that an Umineko spoiler? + Hanyuu told Rika who kills her in Matsuribayashi (Rika forgot Mina) she didn't figure it out on her own. |
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| Higurashi has always been gory but that first scene was still unexpected lol. Rip Hanyuu. I feel really sad for Rika, at least her friends found her. |
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Devil_Slayer said: Tsukumo_Yuuma said: She doesn't remember anything from the moment of her death and what exactly happened before it. If you're asking why doesn't she remember that then idk lol, and in Matsuribayashi she forgets everything about Minagoroshi not just how she was killed so it's kinda random i think. Hinzamizawa is a "gameboard" played between Hanyuu and another godlike being, and Rika is Hanyuu's piece "explained in Umineko" One of the game rules is that Rika can not remember who killed her and how she dies and have to figure it out on her own. I'm not really looking for a When They Cry meta-answer though, but an answer for within the scope of Higurashi and Hinamizawa. |
| So, someone posted this on Discord, from the Matsuribayashi VN (so spoiler for those who didn't read the VN): This is interesting.... |
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Tsukumo_Yuuma said: Devil_Slayer said: Hinzamizawa is a "gameboard" played between Hanyuu and another godlike being, and Rika is Hanyuu's piece. One of the game rules is that Rika can not remember who killed her and how she dies and have to figure it out on her own. Is that an Umineko spoiler? + Hanyuu told Rika who kills her in Matsuribayashi (Rika forgot Mina) she didn't figure it out on her own. No? It just of backstory given Bernkastel and has no bearing on Umineko's story what so ever I don't remember the exact details, but Hanyuu used loopholes to get around that because Rika was stuck in a "logic error" due to Hannyu own fuck up. Trying to dive deeper will spoil Umineko tho. |
Devil_Slayer said: Poor Rika. I am glad we are getting a new story, but this anime just rips Rika and the friends of her happy ending that they fought for near 100years to archive and its kinda sad. To make things worse seems like Hanyuu is now gone for good after she was her sole friend who understood her. I'm hoping there is more to Hanyuu's story, it's kinda annoying that a character so important had a such a.. lofty send off? It's not even Hanyuu relatively speaking, but more like a fragment of her going on auto-pilot. I'm not really sure what R07 is doing with her. Her ending in Rei was good, she learned to respect Rika's desire to live as normal person and she would be no longer alone because she got "another friend", but the story in Kai acknowledges Hanyuu has a right to happiness too after spending thousand years as a sad ghost. Her just kinda fading away in this very questionable (quality wise) anime is not the ending I would have wanted. As for the story, I'm at least betting on a happy ending because I don't see R07 just ruining Kai's ending. |
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Gar_Logan said: Devil_Slayer said: Hinzamizawa is a "gameboard" played between Hanyuu and another godlike being, and Rika is Hanyuu's piece "explained in Umineko" One of the game rules is that Rika can not remember who killed her and how she dies and have to figure it out on her own. I'm not really looking for a When They Cry meta-answer though, but an answer for within the scope of Higurashi and Hinamizawa. Umm what scope exactly? People and events within the game board are decided and acted upon by the game master, as in Rika can't remember the face or the voice of her killer despite her being killed directly and brutally every time. There is no reason why Rika cant remember other than the "game" rules or because the game master said so. |
Devil_Slayer said: Gar_Logan said: I'm not really looking for a When They Cry meta-answer though, but an answer for within the scope of Higurashi and Hinamizawa. Umm what scope exactly? People and events within the game board are decided and acted upon by the game master, as in Rika can't remember the face or the voice of her killer despite her being killed directly and brutally every time. There is no reason why Rika cant remember other than the "game" rules or because the game master said so. I mean in Higurashi and Higurashi Kai, they never mention gameboards, gamemasters, pieces, etc, but the story still works. |
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