How patriotic are you?

Flevalt said:
I used to be a globalist when I was younger.
So against national borders and for a single centralized entity to rule the planet.
I also viewed nations pretty much like Sphinxter does: As obsolete nonsense.


I would call myself patriotic nowadays.
Although a true patriot would call people like myself coward for running off to another country instead of "holding the front" to fight in such dire times.
So I'm not really worth calling a patriot in that sense.

Ryuk9428 said:


I think a centralized single entity ruling over the world would be great.

That is, if that single, centralized entity were robots. Robots should be assigned as the caretakers and rulers of humanity. They'd be much better at ruling us than we are.

Ryuk9428 said:
Everyone has internet, heating, and air conditioning.

Ryuk9428 said:
I think a centralized single entity ruling over the world would be great.

That is, if that single, centralized entity were robots. Robots should be assigned as the caretakers and rulers of humanity. They'd be much better at ruling us than we are.

Flevalt said:
I used to be a globalist when I was younger.
So against national borders and for a single centralized entity to rule the planet.
I also viewed nations pretty much like Sphinxter does: As obsolete nonsense.


I would call myself patriotic nowadays.
Although a true patriot would call people like myself coward for running off to another country instead of "holding the front" to fight in such dire times.
So I'm not really worth calling a patriot in that sense.

AxxLife said:
Not at all. America is a shit country and it always will be. I like my city though.

Flevalt said:
I used to be a globalist when I was younger.
So against national borders and for a single centralized entity to rule the planet.
I also viewed nations pretty much like Sphinxter does: As obsolete nonsense.


I would call myself patriotic nowadays.
Although a true patriot would call people like myself coward for running off to another country instead of "holding the front" to fight in such dire times.
So I'm not really worth calling a patriot in that sense.

Silverstorm said:
In the sense my patriotism may take the form of atleasting attempting to make it better, though being sensitive to how/what better does to others.

@Cneq Pre-60s was pretty "shit" too

Ryuk9428 said:


I think a centralized single entity ruling over the world would be great.

That is, if that single, centralized entity were robots. Robots should be assigned as the caretakers and rulers of humanity. They'd be much better at ruling us than we are.

Cneq said:
Care to give some examples? Every countries has issues but in the US's case things started to take a turn for the worse when the government made stupid decisions like Vietnam.

SadMadoka said:
My parents, grandparents, uncle, etc. were in the military. My father did top secret military research. A sense of patriotism was instilled in me from a young age. However, I'm not sure if I would call myself patriotic. For every thing I like about my country, there are plenty of things that disgust me.

It doesn't feel right calling the US the "freest country" when (proportionally speaking) we have the highest prison population. (And over 90% of those 2,000,000+ people were locked up, in many cases for life, for non-violent offenses...which is completely inexcusable and unforgivable.) I am strongly opposed to many US policies, especially when it comes to it depriving people across the world of their liberties and very lives. But many other nations are just as bad or even worse overall, so...meh.


There isn't a nation on Earth with that luxury. A high percentage may have those, but everyone in the US? Nah. There are millions of Americans without one or more of those things.

In this house, we (only my brother and I live here) haven't installed air conditioners. (I miss central air.) We leave the furnace in the basement turned off or at minimum, since it's so expensive, especially when combating subzero winter temperatures here. In my bedroom (where I spend most of my time nowadays), I use a fan in hot weather and a portable heater when it's cold.


I concur that they hold the potential to rule humans to a greater extent than any human could: they'd rule us right into extinction. Many of the most knowledgeable experts in the relevant fields believe that robots and/or AI would kill us if given enough capability and power.

Even if this is incorrect, fully centralized power over the entire world is a recipe for disaster, and you have no way of knowing whether the control core (so to speak) would respect (or even give consideration to) human rights. Plus there are a million and one things that could go wrong.

Cneq said:
Man I seriously hope people with your type of thinking NEVER get into politics lmao I'd like to keep our species alive at least until we reach mars. We couldn't do much when we're in our cagies for optimal "prosperity" as deemed necessary by our robotic overlords.

Cneq said:
Care to give some examples? Every countries has issues but in the US's case things started to take a turn for the worse when the government made stupid decisions like Vietnam.

Ryuk9428 said:


Have you ever analyzed how a dog lives? Doesn't it sound pretty fucking nice? You literally have everything provided for you and don't need to do anything. Your only job is to enjoy yourself.

I have no desire to go into politics, way too stressful, too much work, I've said way too many things on the internet at this point that would catapult my career into oblivion. The last thing I want to do is be in a position of power or in the public eye.

Silverstorm said:
The closet-era of the 50's --economically balanced sure but socially inequitable to a large number of the polity through various forms of disenfranchisement, Korean-war, racism in the 40s with legal lynchings, destitution of elderly of the 40s, and impoverishment through the 20s. A few highlights of the decades before, though could point to more in each decade..

Cneq said:
Most of these aren't issues unique to the US though, they are issues of the era. [with some countries being even worse in some cases].

Silverstorm said:
Just cause it happened everyone else doesn't mean it wasn't shitty though

Cneq said:
Yes no kidding. We were talking about individual countries though, if you want to think every country in the world is a piece of shit then whatever floats your boat lol

Cneq said:
Nah man, that certainly sounds like the worse thing that could happen to a human lol It literally saps the humanity out of everything that makes someone human. The reason life is such a great thing is because of the struggle and the hope for better things, what's the point in living or trying when everything is provided for you? Not to mention in the case of a central power providing everything for you most likely you would only get what was necessary to live and if said central power was human or an AI that somehow understands human emotion the bare minimum to sustain mental health as well.

This applies to people who are overly rich as well, when you own everything/can do anything nothing is valuable anymore, so what is the point of living? This is why people kill themselves despite being so wealthy and I'd go as far as to say wealth is one of the factors of this. There needs to be a middle ground for someone to truly feel like they're alive, not too poor and not too wealthy. Thankfully in the case of some extremely wealthy people they seek to do the impossible and progress humanity, since everything else is a means to a end. That in itself is a great example of what makes us human.

To be honest if humanity was in complete control of a centralized power we wouldn't even need them to extinct us, we'd do it ourselves lmao However I'm sure we'd all be indoctrinated and have no clue what "humanity" even was to begin with.

Can I ask what made you think like this? I'm seriously curious lol I grew up in a extremely low income single parent household where even my hispanic friends were more wealthy [despite for some reason people thinking white people can't be poor] and I can't even fathom how someone would enjoy having everything handed to them despite for the quick dopamine intake. I've come a long way since then and the reason life is so enjoyable is due to the fact that anything is possible [with some lucky circumstances of course, or god, whatever you prefer]. The mindset of thinking a life devoid of all the things that make us human and be treated like mere animals is such a 180 that I can't even fathom how you arrived at that point.

Ryuk9428 said:


How boring and unimaginative does one have to be to think that you can't enjoy yourself without struggling and doing unpleasant tasks? You have all the time in the world now, you can go bang a hooker, you can smoke some weed, you can watch anime as much as you want, you can sleep in every day, nothing will take you away from whatever you want to do. You can write a book and get it instantly published without worrying about going through a bunch of hoops. There's a whole world of pleasurable experiences out there, why would you want to have things that unnecessarily take your time away from that? I only want to work for things that I can't get easily but I will always prefer the easy road if its available.

Cneq said:
The thing you're forgetting is what comes after that, what happens when you've been there done that times infinity? There's nothing left. The worse thing you can be is a hedonist when you have unlimited access to wealth/power, just look at how Uday Hussein turned lol But shit man, if that's who are you that's fine, whatever floats your boat lol But even with unlimited wealth and power that mindset will only lead you down the wrong path, take away the unlimited wealth & power and I have no clue how you'll managed once life goes wrong and you can only rely on yourself lol Best of luck my dude.