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Jan 20, 2016 11:15 AM

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Tsuna_Sawada27 said:
I guess Eren from AOT or just characters like him such Alibaba in Mag(happens to be the same voice actor)i are annoying to me, yet the shows are still great because of the plot and other characters such as Levi, or Sinbad from Magi


I hated Eren when I first watched Attack on Titan because he was an unlikable, holier-than-thou jerk who basically treated the other characters like garbage (especially Mikasa). The overdramatic walking cliche fortunately couldn't prevent me from enjoying this series but it could've been better without him.
 
Jan 20, 2016 11:21 AM

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NichiyaMagimi said:
Hell fucking yes!! The only reason I dropped Death Note is because Light was too much of an asshole.


I don't like Light either and also dropped the show. It's way too hard to root for someone who has thrown away his humanity like that.



 
Jan 20, 2016 11:23 AM

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NichiyaMagimi said:
Hell fucking yes!! The only reason I dropped Death Note is because Light was too much of an asshole.


Main reason I dropped it tho was because I didn't want to see how he ended up .
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Jan 20, 2016 11:25 AM

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Chiibi said:
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Hell fucking yes!! The only reason I dropped Death Note is because Light was too much of an asshole.


I don't like Light either and also dropped the show. It's way too hard to root for someone who has thrown away his humanity like that.

I would probably have dropped DN if it wasn't for L.
 
Jan 20, 2016 11:30 AM

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bmoore07 said:
Tsuna_Sawada27 said:
I guess Eren from AOT or just characters like him such Alibaba in Mag(happens to be the same voice actor)i are annoying to me, yet the shows are still great because of the plot and other characters such as Levi, or Sinbad from Magi


I hated Eren when I first watched Attack on Titan because he was an unlikable, holier-than-thou jerk who basically treated the other characters like garbage (especially Mikasa). The overdramatic walking cliche fortunately couldn't prevent me from enjoying this series but it could've been better without him.


But he didn't treat Mikasa like shit. He just didn't treat her like a romantic partner. When he was a kid and he was angry at the Titans and didn't want to take food from the adults, he didn't treat Mikasa like shit. They were just having an argument. When Mikasa asked about her hair and he said to cut it, it's because it makes sense she's in the fucking military. When Mikasa wanted to join him on the front line he called her selfish, and said to realize her own skill and take her position in the back lines where she was supposed to be. Not once did he hit her, say mean things to her or even ignore her opinions. Eren treated Mikasa as an equal human being and as a superior when it came to skill.

He wasn't even holier than though. Like... at all.

There were a lot of people aiming to be a part of the military police he didn't go at (Like connie springer.) The only reason he attacked that asshat Jeanne was because Jeanne belittled the Survey Corps for sacrificing their lives in order to learn more about what was out there in the world. Jeanne's views on joining the military police in and of itself was never really the problem. Eren even says that.

Also, how can he treat the other characters like garbage and they STILL like him. That literally makes no sense. Armin inspires him and he always treats Armin kindly. He never laughed at potato girl and saw her strengths when they were attacking the colossal titan. The guy's action makes PERFECT sense in every sense of that word.
 
Jan 20, 2016 11:31 AM

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Mastergold said:
Not necessarily, take for example "School Days" a lot of people rate that show with a 1/10 just because the MC "Makoto" was a complete asshole, but to me he's one of the few most realistic character out there.

Overall: Yes & No! but I will find it a bit silly that someone will dislike a show just for one simple character.

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School Days is a fucking terrible anime but ironically enough, Makoto isn't even the worst character in it. Literally every single character is an awful, backstabbing, cheating piece of shit. All of them.
It's kinda funny when they try to make an MC as terrible as possible...And he fades into the background because he can't even compete with all the side characters lol.
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Jan 20, 2016 11:33 AM

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All this School Days talk is making me wanna watch it (can't remember much since it was one of my first anime)

Come on tho it can't be that terrible .
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Jan 20, 2016 11:35 AM

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TitanAnteus said:
bmoore07 said:


I hated Eren when I first watched Attack on Titan because he was an unlikable, holier-than-thou jerk who basically treated the other characters like garbage (especially Mikasa). The overdramatic walking cliche fortunately couldn't prevent me from enjoying this series but it could've been better without him.


But he didn't treat Mikasa like shit. He just didn't treat her like a romantic partner. When he was a kid and he was angry at the Titans and didn't want to take food from the adults, he didn't treat Mikasa like shit. They were just having an argument. When Mikasa asked about her hair and he said to cut it, it's because it makes sense she's in the fucking military. When Mikasa wanted to join him on the front line he called her selfish, and said to realize her own skill and take her position in the back lines where she was supposed to be. Not once did he hit her, say mean things to her or even ignore her opinions. Eren treated Mikasa as an equal human being and as a superior when it came to skill.

He wasn't even holier than though. Like... at all.

There were a lot of people aiming to be a part of the military police he didn't go at (Like connie springer.) The only reason he attacked that asshat Jeanne was because Jeanne belittled the Survey Corps for sacrificing their lives in order to learn more about what was out there in the world. Jeanne's views on joining the military police in and of itself was never really the problem. Eren even says that.

Also, how can he treat the other characters like garbage and they STILL like him. That literally makes no sense. Armin inspires him and he always treats Armin kindly. He never laughed at potato girl and saw her strengths when they were attacking the colossal titan. The guy's action makes PERFECT sense in every sense of that word.
he headbutted her tho...
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Jan 20, 2016 11:38 AM

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EvilDragon16 said:
All this School Days talk is making me wanna watch it (can't remember much since it was one of my first anime)

Come on tho it can't be that terrible .


It really is though. There's not one single realistic character in there lol. The entire show is completely and utterly exaggerated to the point of disbelief, and the ending was far too late to salvage it.
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I hated Eren when I first watched Attack on Titan because he was an unlikable, holier-than-thou jerk who basically treated the other characters like garbage (especially Mikasa). The overdramatic walking cliche fortunately couldn't prevent me from enjoying this series but it could've been better without him.


But he didn't treat Mikasa like shit. He just didn't treat her like a romantic partner. When he was a kid and he was angry at the Titans and didn't want to take food from the adults, he didn't treat Mikasa like shit. They were just having an argument. When Mikasa asked about her hair and he said to cut it, it's because it makes sense she's in the fucking military. When Mikasa wanted to join him on the front line he called her selfish, and said to realize her own skill and take her position in the back lines where she was supposed to be. Not once did he hit her, say mean things to her or even ignore her opinions. Eren treated Mikasa as an equal human being and as a superior when it came to skill.

He wasn't even holier than though. Like... at all.

There were a lot of people aiming to be a part of the military police he didn't go at (Like connie springer.) The only reason he attacked that asshat Jeanne was because Jeanne belittled the Survey Corps for sacrificing their lives in order to learn more about what was out there in the world. Jeanne's views on joining the military police in and of itself was never really the problem. Eren even says that.

Also, how can he treat the other characters like garbage and they STILL like him. That literally makes no sense. Armin inspires him and he always treats Armin kindly. He never laughed at potato girl and saw her strengths when they were attacking the colossal titan. The guy's action makes PERFECT sense in every sense of that word.


Eren might have had good reasons for acting the way that he acted, but he was still a loud in-your-face type of person. That can very quickly grate on your nerves. Hurr hurr I'ma kill all the titans!!! getting repeated so much it sounds like a broken record is gonna irritate people lol.
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Jan 20, 2016 11:45 AM

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ItsMaz said:
School Days is a fucking terrible anime but ironically enough, Makoto isn't even the worst character in it. Literally every single character is an awful, backstabbing, cheating piece of shit. All of them.
It's kinda funny when they try to make an MC as terrible as possible...And he fades into the background because he can't even compete with all the side characters lol.


Schools is shit! but for a shitty show, I can at least appreciated it for doing a fairly job as a Deconstruction of the harem genre and the Slice of Life romance genre. All the characters were bad but people were making it out as if makoto was the worse which is kind of funny in my opinion.

I guess being a realistic character= Bad character? lol okay.

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Mastergold said:
ItsMaz said:
School Days is a fucking terrible anime but ironically enough, Makoto isn't even the worst character in it. Literally every single character is an awful, backstabbing, cheating piece of shit. All of them.
It's kinda funny when they try to make an MC as terrible as possible...And he fades into the background because he can't even compete with all the side characters lol.


Schools is shit! but for a shitty show, I can at least appreciated it for doing a fairly job as a Deconstruction of the harem genre and the Slice of Life romance genre. All the characters were bad but people were making it out as if makoto was the worse which is kind of funny in my opinion.

I guess being a realistic character= Bad character? lol okay.

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There's nothing bad about making a realistic character....but the entire School Days cast are unlikable.



 
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Mastergold said:
ItsMaz said:
School Days is a fucking terrible anime but ironically enough, Makoto isn't even the worst character in it. Literally every single character is an awful, backstabbing, cheating piece of shit. All of them.
It's kinda funny when they try to make an MC as terrible as possible...And he fades into the background because he can't even compete with all the side characters lol.


Schools is shit! but for a shitty show, I can at least appreciated it for doing a fairly job as a Deconstruction of the harem genre and the Slice of Life romance genre. All the characters were bad but people were making it out as if makoto was the worse which is kind of funny in my opinion.

I guess being a realistic character= Bad character? lol okay.

-Mastergold


I will forever appreciate SD for being different. However, thats as high as my praise goes. When I hear about this anime from anime fans, its always about the being different harem stuff, the exaggeration, but never if its a good anime overall or not.

The anime was mostly boring. I hated the mood swings from the anime. It was slice of life and then drama, back to slice of life, and then drama.

SD was just a deconstruction anime, but I dont think it was a good anime.

Makoto was really bland. Why did the chicks even like him? The should have made him look more masculine or given him a more interesting personality, and then I would have understood why. All these chicks just threw themselves at him only because hes the male MC.

I also didnt like how everyone was just evil. I know we all have our evil sides, but come on. Not like that.

Ill always appreciate that anime because most males in this planet want to be as lucky as Makoto (minus the ending of course)

If you want a deconstruction of the harem genre plus being a good anime overall, I recommend White Album (AKA White Album 1)
 
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Mastergold said:
ItsMaz said:
School Days is a fucking terrible anime but ironically enough, Makoto isn't even the worst character in it. Literally every single character is an awful, backstabbing, cheating piece of shit. All of them.
It's kinda funny when they try to make an MC as terrible as possible...And he fades into the background because he can't even compete with all the side characters lol.


Schools is shit! but for a shitty show, I can at least appreciated it for doing a fairly job as a Deconstruction of the harem genre and the Slice of Life romance genre. All the characters were bad but people were making it out as if makoto was the worse which is kind of funny in my opinion.

I guess being a realistic character= Bad character? lol okay.

-Mastergold


That's what I don't get lol; Makoto fits right in because all the females are just as bad as him.
But I don't consider any of the characters to be realistic.
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Jan 20, 2016 12:07 PM

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There's nothing bad about making a realistic character....but the entire School Days cast are unlikable.


That the thing with school days! the show is not trying to make you like the characters. If anything it was trying to make you hate and despise them with passion, which the show was doing a spreading job on it.

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Jan 20, 2016 12:10 PM

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Yes, for me characters are the most important thing in my opinion. Even if the story is good, as well as the art and sound (although I'm not big on art and sound at all), then it can make me enjoy the anime far less. A good example of this is Death Note, story was good and interesting, art and sound was good for it's time, but I didn't like any of the characters, they all ranged from meh to annoying in my opinion, which made me enjoy the show far less.
 
Jan 20, 2016 12:15 PM

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I never say the show was good though! but fair enough.

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Well you're a free believe whether they are realistic or not, the show is not label "polarizing" for a reason.

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Jan 20, 2016 12:19 PM

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Really can.

Kirito destroyed SAO for me.
Haru made Accel world a joke.
Whatever his name is killed Gundam Stardust Memory for being one of the most entitled main characters ever.
Shuu and the rebel leader dude made Guilty Crown unbearable... admittedly, so did Inori with her weird, autistic-like state 90% of the time.
 
Jan 20, 2016 12:23 PM

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I only watched the first episode of Accel World and dropped because the MC sucked. Some of the other characters seemed kinda cool but I couldn't be bothered with him.
 
Jan 20, 2016 12:26 PM

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I only watched the first episode of Accel World and dropped because the MC sucked. Some of the other characters seemed kinda cool but I couldn't be bothered with him.


Eeyup. Really hated that they made him even more retarded looking by drawing him like a fat child whilst everyone else looked like normal humans.

This is a guy who apparently is 3 foot tall, 3 foot wide with a head as wide as his shoulders and pulled the hottest girl in the world. He was practically tall enough to always have an upskirt shot.
 
Jan 20, 2016 12:29 PM

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Lol, yeah that was the main thing I hated! everyone else did look normal! I didn't get why he looked younger than the rest either.
 
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One single character, no. All or most of the cast, yes.
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ABSOLUTELY!

- Danmachi : Maybe it was because of his voice actor (i really don't like Matsuoka), i couldn't stand Bell. BREASTia Hestia being there also did not help.

- Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei : Tatsuya and his annoying sister can fall into a ditch and die for all i care.

- Aldnoah.Zero : Inaho is probably one of the worst and most boring MC i have ever seen.

- Mirai Nikki : Yuuki ruined a good portion of the show for me.

- Himouto! Umaru-chan : Despite the rest of the cast being likable characters, Umaru's shitty personality was too much for me to handle.
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- Himouto! Umaru-chan : Despite the rest of the cast being likable characters, Umaru's shitty personality was too much for me to handle.


Her brother was the real star of that show, for sure :P
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ItsMaz said:
Kryptiq said:

- Himouto! Umaru-chan : Despite the rest of the cast being likable characters, Umaru's shitty personality was too much for me to handle.


Her brother was the real star of that show, for sure :P

He truly was, he deserves a prize for the amount of shit he had to deal with lol.
 
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Chiibi said:
There's nothing bad about making a realistic character....but the entire School Days cast are unlikable.


That the thing with school days! the show is not trying to make you like the characters. If anything it was trying to make you hate and despise them with passion, which the show was doing a spreading job on it.

-Mastergold


Yes, I know we're supposed to hate the characters....but I can't enjoy a show if I hate them all. lol Even the ending.....you STILL have to sit through 11 episodes of shit to get to it. Just no.



 
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Absolutely. Can't stand Golden Time bc the main girl was such an awful character.

Another example is KnB, liked it overall but Kuroko definitely hurt the show for me.
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I could only endure 7 episodes of Shinji's Epic Pity Party before I had to drop NGE. I don't care how "realistic" he is, I have never seen another character (or anyone in real life for that matter) whine so incessantly.

Honorable mention to Tanabe from Planetes for being, to put it bluntly, a preachy bitch.
 
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I could only endure 7 episodes of Shinji's Epic Pity Party before I had to drop NGE. I don't care how "realistic" he is, I have never seen another character (or anyone in real life for that matter) whine so incessantly.

I would suggest the four new movies. I thought it was the best way to experience the franchise. There is *gasp* DEVELOPMENT. lol



 
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Chiibi said:
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I could only endure 7 episodes of Shinji's Epic Pity Party before I had to drop NGE. I don't care how "realistic" he is, I have never seen another character (or anyone in real life for that matter) whine so incessantly.

I would suggest the four new movies. I thought it was the best way to experience the franchise. There is *gasp* DEVELOPMENT. lol

if by development you mean shinji getting courage out of nowhere in the movie and rei start talking with other people then i agree
 
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Eyepatch_Ghoul said:
I could only endure 7 episodes of Shinji's Epic Pity Party before I had to drop NGE. I don't care how "realistic" he is, I have never seen another character (or anyone in real life for that matter) whine so incessantly.

Honorable mention to Tanabe from Planetes for being, to put it bluntly, a preachy bitch.

Saying he is not realistic because there is no people in real like that act like him is stupid he is put in deferent situations than normal teenagers so of course his struggles and reactions are diferent
 
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Seriously, fuck the MC.
 
Jan 20, 2016 3:39 PM

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I don't know.

One bad element doesn't necessarily mean all other elements are worthless, but the MC is a dominating element. I can imagine an anime still being enjoyable even with a crappy MC, but I can't imagine a great anime with a crappy MC.
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I literally don't understand how someone could not like Shirou. He's one of the greatest characters in fiction.
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But he didn't treat Mikasa like shit. He just didn't treat her like a romantic partner. When he was a kid and he was angry at the Titans and didn't want to take food from the adults, he didn't treat Mikasa like shit. They were just having an argument. When Mikasa asked about her hair and he said to cut it, it's because it makes sense she's in the fucking military. When Mikasa wanted to join him on the front line he called her selfish, and said to realize her own skill and take her position in the back lines where she was supposed to be. Not once did he hit her, say mean things to her or even ignore her opinions. Eren treated Mikasa as an equal human being and as a superior when it came to skill.

He wasn't even holier than though. Like... at all.

There were a lot of people aiming to be a part of the military police he didn't go at (Like connie springer.) The only reason he attacked that asshat Jeanne was because Jeanne belittled the Survey Corps for sacrificing their lives in order to learn more about what was out there in the world. Jeanne's views on joining the military police in and of itself was never really the problem. Eren even says that.

Also, how can he treat the other characters like garbage and they STILL like him. That literally makes no sense. Armin inspires him and he always treats Armin kindly. He never laughed at potato girl and saw her strengths when they were attacking the colossal titan. The guy's action makes PERFECT sense in every sense of that word.
he headbutted her tho...
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If Mikasa was a guy no one would complain in that situation. They're both soldiers for fucks sake.
She was saying some extremely selfish things.

If anything that proves that Eren treated her like an equal.
 
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he headbutted her tho...
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If Mikasa was a guy no one would complain in that situation. They're both soldiers for fucks sake.
She was saying some extremely selfish things.

If anything that proves that Eren treated her like an equal.
wow wow calm your horses. My post wasn't implying anything (shit, I even agree with you, for the most part).

I'm just pointing out a mistake you've made when you said Eren never hit Mikasa, which is technically wrong since he headbutted her in episode 5.
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And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
 
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wow wow calm your horses. My post wasn't implying anything (shit, I even agree with you, for the most part).

I'm just pointing out a mistake you've made when you said Eren never hitting Mikasa, which is techinically wrong since he headbutted her in episode 5.

Oh.
Where's the blush emoji.

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I disliked the main character in Chaos Head but I still enjoyed the anime.
 
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I disliked Yagami Light in Death Note but it didn't ruin the show. It just made it all the more satisfying when he finally gets what's coming to him.
 
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Yes, easily. Characters are the most important part of an anime to me and if I can't stand the characters, no matter how good the story may be, I'm generally tempted to drop it.
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I hated Light Yagami but that didn't stop me from watching the show. I wanted to see him die, or at least get exposed.
However, I hated Haruhi Suzumiya and that was the major reason why I dropped the show.
 
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Yep. But to an extent.
Other characters from the said show can make it salvageable...

That's what happened with my enjoyment of Infinite Stratos...
Ichika Orimura's blandness was saved by Charlotte and Laura! I even watched the second season because of them.


Just think of how amazing IS could have been if Ichika wasn't in it.
Or if he didn't have the IQ of a brick.


Know right? You can also throw in Houki and that Chinese discount childhood friend character in that mix. And IS would infinitely be better.
 
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Just think of how amazing IS could have been if Ichika wasn't in it.
Or if he didn't have the IQ of a brick.


Know right? You can also throw in Houki and that Chinese discount childhood friend character in that mix. And IS would infinitely be better.


Wouldn't that just be Strike Witches.

Would anyone even care at that point?
 
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Subtle thread is subtle... Fate forum is that way -->

There is a shit show shit MC shit franchise thread there every other day, you don't have to be shy.

Plot-driven works, or works with an ensemble cast you can dislike the main and still like the show. A work which hinges on a single character, not really.
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Yea it ruins the show for me. MCs like Yuu from Owari or Emiya Shirou, I can't stand those.
 
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The MC can ruin a show for me if liking them is almost essential to the enjoyment. If a show is based on the adventures of what the MC is doing, like things don't move unless the MC does their thing, and you don't like the MC then it can definitely ruin a show.

My first thought is Denpa Kyoushi. Right from the start, I thought, "How is that okay? This guy's an asshole, but maybe he'll learn and get better". Unfortunately, the show was attempting to show that he was in the right pretty much at all times, no matter who he hurt, caused to worry, or whatever. One thing I'm just not down for is an MC who always seems to be right in a show.
Honestly though, that wasn't the only thing wrong with Denpa Kyoushi, so I don't even know if it's just the MC that ruined the show for me, but it was mainly the MC.

Yet with Etotama, I thought the MC was annoying; I still managed to gain a little enjoyment out of the show.
It's a lot easier to deal with one person who's just in the main cast but isn't the main MC for a show.
Also, I actually really liked Free! up until the last episode because of the entire main cast becoming incredibly annoying at the end, if that counts.
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It depends and it's subjective.

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Jan 20, 2016 8:33 PM

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Yes, yes it can. Hard to get invested in a show if i despise the character with the most screen time.
Defeating a sandwich, only makes it tastier
 
Jan 20, 2016 8:46 PM

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yes when it's heavily focused on the main character and the main character is cringe worthy and naive I can't continue watching the show.
why should I invest myself in a story about a main character I don't like
 
Jan 20, 2016 9:25 PM

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Hireen22 said:
yes, any mc thats useless or just plain retarded ruins the show for me personally. *COUGH COUGH* *EVERY HAREM ANIME EVER*


That is not true for ALL harem mcs. Some are badass or at least smart.



 
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