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Jul 25, 2015 8:21 AM

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That was a really tense and well drawn fight against the raging Minotaur
 
Jul 25, 2015 11:09 AM

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OMFG!!! Bell against that Minotaur and defeating it ... (I guess by argonaut they meant Jason because minotaur) ! So damn EPIC! <3

I loved it and how he wanted to do it by himself and not be saved again!

Bete was there again!

All rank S! oooooo, shiny! lol.
 
Aug 9, 2015 6:56 PM

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i hope they focus in other things besides bell's ambition for power. I do know that it's normal for a adventurer like him to desire more power, but somehow this is annoying me. Hope they focus in other things that Bell could desire.
 
Aug 29, 2015 4:32 AM
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Fuck yeah Bell wooohooo!!
You know you did great when you made a hot bitch cum just by pwning a minotaur.
 
Sep 3, 2015 2:05 PM

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Just when I was about to give up on Bell as a lost cause, he throws Lili, and then opens up a whirlwind of whoop ass on that steroid-raging Minotaur!

And Freya, I have no idea what you're doing, but...
 
Sep 3, 2015 11:52 PM
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Bell was awesome here, brilliant fight scene but yeah Freya is creepy as fuck.
 
Sep 14, 2015 6:07 AM

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Upon re-watching in order to finish the series, the fight was still as amazing as I first watched it, and I like Bete's characterization as much as I did the first time I saw that.

One thing that really annoyed me throughout the episode was Lili's voice, and I remember the same of her seiyuu, whom recently got her own thread in the news forum due to the release of her first CD album, and pretty much everyone praised her voice acting. I didn't take notice of her before, but now I can say that she didn't do as well with Lili's voice.
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Oct 13, 2015 3:16 PM
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I haven't been such excited since original SAO fights. Masterpiece!
 
Oct 24, 2015 8:01 AM
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Prophecy said:
I haven't been such excited since original SAO fights. Masterpiece!


I agree.
 
Oct 31, 2015 7:00 AM

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That fight with the minotaur was one of the best if not the best fight Iever saw in an anime, or at least the best I have seen in years. The sound effects and reactions of the character as he was in pain and struggling were so palpable and believable. Then he refused to be saved, and grew a pair. HE BECAME A MAN!! Its so RARE! To see a bitch ass character actually evolve into something to be proud of, its like seeing a child grow up well. This shows already got an 8/10 in my mind. That scene clinched it.
 
Nov 1, 2015 1:54 AM

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That animation though! Really damn good fight! Nice to see Bell doing something on his own. Best episode yet, I'm considering giving this show a 6 or a 7 instead of a 5.
 
Nov 19, 2015 4:19 AM

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poor beast rip lol

badass fight was badass
 
Nov 19, 2015 8:55 AM

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Spawn_ said:
Prophecy said:
I haven't been such excited since original SAO fights. Masterpiece!


I agree.

I hope you two are not the same person .__________.
 
Dec 4, 2015 8:01 PM

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What the?!! Where did this epic fight come from? When did he become proficient in handling large bladed weapon one-handed? Was that the unmentioned skill he didn't hear from Hestia? I don't know what the hell is going on but that solo fight was just friggin' glorious! XD

I knew it! Judging from the next episode's title, namedropping the blacksmith who made his breastplate earlier was a clue.
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Dec 18, 2015 12:05 AM

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The fight with the minotaur reminded me of the Kirito vs the gleam eyes boss. Pretty good episode in my opinion.
 
Dec 22, 2015 9:39 AM

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What a fight :) Great action.
I'm liking this even more...
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That fight with the minotaur was one of the best if not the best fight Iever saw in an anime, or at least the best I have seen in years. The sound effects and reactions of the character as he was in pain and struggling were so palpable and believable. Then he refused to be saved, and grew a pair. HE BECAME A MAN!! Its so RARE! To see a bitch ass character actually evolve into something to be proud of, its like seeing a child grow up well. This shows already got an 8/10 in my mind. That scene clinched it.

Indeed. It was like watching a baby that was always crying and slamming his feet on the bed, growing up and evolving into a real MAN! So satisfying x)
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Jan 17, 2016 11:53 AM

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Damn what an amazing episode... Bell was Badass in this episode
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Jan 19, 2016 9:33 AM
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holy sht that was a nice fight!!
 
Jan 21, 2016 2:41 PM
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Great fight but extremely unbelievable.

A normal Minotaur should be problematic for him and yet here he beats an all powerful, trained one. Seriously over stretching...
 
Jan 27, 2016 12:44 AM

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Great fight but extremely unbelievable.

A normal Minotaur should be problematic for him and yet here he beats an all powerful, trained one. Seriously over stretching...


Am I the only one who found the fight complete bullshit? This would've been more believable if Aiz was the one who did this. (I get I'm supposed to read the LN)I have to call Bullshit here: because now it's implying that he's stronger than Aiz and we all know that's bullshit. He couldn't take a kick from her without passing out and suddenly he's taking blows from a supped up Mino???

I love the effects and the fight but it was kind of lame to be honest.

Is Freya getting off on this? She seems to be sexually enjoying this way more than I think she should but eh.

Have to wait for the other BD's to get translated so I can download them too. :(
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Jan 27, 2016 8:06 AM

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kitten320 said:
Great fight but extremely unbelievable.

A normal Minotaur should be problematic for him and yet here he beats an all powerful, trained one. Seriously over stretching...


Am I the only one who found the fight complete bullshit? This would've been more believable if Aiz was the one who did this. (I get I'm supposed to read the LN)I have to call Bullshit here: because now it's implying that he's stronger than Aiz and we all know that's bullshit. He couldn't take a kick from her without passing out and suddenly he's taking blows from a supped up Mino???

I love the effects and the fight but it was kind of lame to be honest.

Is Freya getting off on this? She seems to be sexually enjoying this way more than I think she should but eh.

Have to wait for the other BD's to get translated so I can download them too. :(

Ah? Aiz can kill that Minotaurus by slapping it gently (and I'm not exaggerating here). She's level 6 (and very strong for a level 6 thanks to her OP Aria spell), that Minotaurus is level 2. All of the peoples from Loki familia who were looking at Bell can do the same by the way, since they were all level 5 or 6 as well.
I've read a few of your comments and even neglecting the fact that anime isn't giving all the infos, you're clearly have been missing lots of info given by the anime as well.
 
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Zefyris said:
TheHatredDMC said:


Am I the only one who found the fight complete bullshit? This would've been more believable if Aiz was the one who did this. (I get I'm supposed to read the LN)I have to call Bullshit here: because now it's implying that he's stronger than Aiz and we all know that's bullshit. He couldn't take a kick from her without passing out and suddenly he's taking blows from a supped up Mino???

I love the effects and the fight but it was kind of lame to be honest.

Is Freya getting off on this? She seems to be sexually enjoying this way more than I think she should but eh.

Have to wait for the other BD's to get translated so I can download them too. :(

Ah? Aiz can kill that Minotaurus by slapping it gently (and I'm not exaggerating here). She's level 6 (and very strong for a level 6 thanks to her OP Aria spell), that Minotaurus is level 2. All of the peoples from Loki familia who were looking at Bell can do the same by the way, since they were all level 5 or 6 as well.
I've read a few of your comments and even neglecting the fact that anime isn't giving all the infos, you're clearly have been missing lots of info given by the anime as well.


I blame the Anime for not providing the "Info I'm missing on" I shouldn't have to be forced to read the LN for what could have been easily animated, that's just lazy story telling.

I'll believe about the Emotionless Sword Princess about her power but I refuse to believe that a lvl 1 can kill THAT MINOTAURUS. Especially since we're supposed to get the impression he's still getting stronger. Its like he's already Gary Stu now. What happened to "Humble Beginnings??" 7 episodes later he's this powerful due to a CHEAT CODE(I know that's not what its called but it might as well be)???? NO F****** WAY.
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Jan 30, 2016 4:20 AM

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TheHatredDMC said:
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Ah? Aiz can kill that Minotaurus by slapping it gently (and I'm not exaggerating here). She's level 6 (and very strong for a level 6 thanks to her OP Aria spell), that Minotaurus is level 2. All of the peoples from Loki familia who were looking at Bell can do the same by the way, since they were all level 5 or 6 as well.
I've read a few of your comments and even neglecting the fact that anime isn't giving all the infos, you're clearly have been missing lots of info given by the anime as well.


I blame the Anime for not providing the "Info I'm missing on" I shouldn't have to be forced to read the LN for what could have been easily animated, that's just lazy story telling.

I'll believe about the Emotionless Sword Princess about her power but I refuse to believe that a lvl 1 can kill THAT MINOTAURUS. Especially since we're supposed to get the impression he's still getting stronger. Its like he's already Gary Stu now. What happened to "Humble Beginnings??" 7 episodes later he's this powerful due to a CHEAT CODE(I know that's not what its called but it might as well be)???? NO F****** WAY.

I'm always blaming the anime version to remove lots of needed explanation, but that was left in the anime so if you didn't understand it, you clearly missed something that was told in the anime.

You seem to completely overestimate the level of a Minotaurus. A level 2 could fight him just fine, there are in fact far more dangerous encounters of level 2 creatures in lower floors (like the killer wasps in floors 23-24) .
The thing is, in Danmachi, the difference between each llevel is huge, so you shouldn't usually be able to fight a creature of a higher level than you EXCEPT if your stat are very good and/or if you have a particularity OP capacity.
In Bell's case, his stats (due to the fact the progress don't slow done with that rare ability he has even when reaching high stats like C+) are HIGHER than any other level 1 in history. Especially for the agility, he's SS rank, which is ridiculously high. Even the other stats were S, which is a rare case to even have one, and all of them were S. That's why there isn't as much difference between Bell and a new level 2 than there should usually be between an experienced level 1 and a new level 2.

IF we're talking about ridiculous Feat, Aiz just did far better just abit earleir (You hear about it already in the anime although you didn't see it).
What Bell did was to kill a monster one level above him alone. He struggled, but somehow managed to do it. What Ais did was killing alone a FLOOR BOSS one level higher than her. (she was level 5 at that time, and that's what made her level 6).
Now that's ridiculous and completely OP (that's due partially to her Aria buff spell ). Some other characters that you will encounter a little later in the anime have ridiculous feats as well due to a particularly OP capacity.

So that's not just Bell. What Bell did was difficult, but considering his stats at the time, he COULD do it with high difficulty and putting his life in high danger. Which is exactly what happened.

Just to be clear, his stats may be higher than any other level 1 before him but that doesn't make him more OP than a level 2+ just because the level 2 wasn't as high before passing level. Not at all. Level 2 adventurers kills Minotaurus just fine. There's even an example in the spin off of a level 3 mage with extremely poor stat in strength for her level (she's like I/H ) who one shot a minotaurus by just hitting him casually with her staff (even though she's a spell caster with no strength for her level). the stats difference between level is HUGE. That's why what Bell did was rare, but it's not impossible at all.
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Jan 30, 2016 6:59 AM
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Did you read my comment, I did say it was unbelievable.

However, Minotaur is not the most powerful monster, any skilled adventure who goes to middle floors and higher can take it down. Aka all of Aiz guild members are capable of it.

For Belle however, it would be extremely hard, pretty much impossible but you can still kinda buy it cause anime logic, MC can do anything. And yet here he takes down an advanced, trained version. Bullshit for sure.
 
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Did you read my comment, I did say it was unbelievable.

However, Minotaur is not the most powerful monster, any skilled adventure who goes to middle floors and higher can take it down. Aka all of Aiz guild members are capable of it.

For Belle however, it would be extremely hard, pretty much impossible but you can still kinda buy it cause anime logic, MC can do anything. And yet here he takes down an advanced, trained version. Bullshit for sure.


Of course I can believe Aiz's Guild can do it, look who they have to look up to for the inspiration not to mention they're probably the strongest guild anyway(ok, so I guessed that but it does make sense in hindsight somewhere). Shouldn't there be like differences on weapon damage or something? Or does anybody on lvl 2 can just whop a Mino(a supped up one at that)like its a slime or something? I just can't buy it even if its Anime Logic like I couldn't buy that Bull**** that was SAO when Kirito and Asuna died(what happened to "People Die When They're Killed??????? No explanation. But everyone else died for real and did not return). Seriously if you're going to make rules then it should apply to everyone otherwise you get asspull after asspull.
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TheHatredDMC said:
kitten320 said:
Did you read my comment, I did say it was unbelievable.

However, Minotaur is not the most powerful monster, any skilled adventure who goes to middle floors and higher can take it down. Aka all of Aiz guild members are capable of it.

For Belle however, it would be extremely hard, pretty much impossible but you can still kinda buy it cause anime logic, MC can do anything. And yet here he takes down an advanced, trained version. Bullshit for sure.


Of course I can believe Aiz's Guild can do it, look who they have to look up to for the inspiration not to mention they're probably the strongest guild anyway(ok, so I guessed that but it does make sense in hindsight somewhere). Shouldn't there be like differences on weapon damage or something? Or does anybody on lvl 2 can just whop a Mino(a supped up one at that)like its a slime or something? I just can't buy it even if its Anime Logic like I couldn't buy that Bull**** that was SAO when Kirito and Asuna died(what happened to "People Die When They're Killed??????? No explanation. But everyone else died for real and did not return). Seriously if you're going to make rules then it should apply to everyone otherwise you get asspull after asspull.

Yes, a level 2 can kill a level 2 monster in one on one. Just like bell was killing pack of level 1 monster in one on one while being level 1.
The majority of the problems a level 2 will encounter in floor 13-24 is more about massive spawn and massive aggro of monster than anything else (well, minus floor boss). The dungeon trying to kill you, as well as irregularities (monsters from lower floors who moved several floor up after their spawns for example).

A level X adventurer is stronger than a level X monster usually (floor boss excluded). Minotaurus is an emblematic monster from level 15 floor yes, as it's one of the first big monster you can encounter in level 2 floors, but that's all. Bugbears are more dangerous, and killer wasps and the like are far more dangerous as well. Hellhounds can roast alive adventurers who aren't fast enough to dodge or don't wear costly protective gear. All of those are level 2 monsters. There's that nasty trap things in floor 20+ with a very dangerous poison too. Don't remember the name, but that thing even caused problem to more experienced adventurers so yeah. Any level 3+ monster is on a completely different level of power.
 
Jun 8, 2016 11:36 PM
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That fight was amazing. The music, choreography, setting, and everything was so badass. Glad that no one got involved during the fight. Makes Bell's progress that much more surprising. That ending to the fight though, that last Firebolt spell with the look on Bell's face was intense. Best episode by far
 
Jun 26, 2016 6:06 AM

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that fight scene was something else

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Aug 1, 2016 5:56 PM

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Did Bell really did what I think he did? Did he just tossed Lili like a fucking rag doll? what the hell lol!

What is Freya's problem seriously? And how come she can somehow control these monsters? First she made that gorilla attack Bell and now she ordered her servant to train a minotaur also to attack Bell. So far I think she's the only goddess who's shown using magic and she's using it wrongly.

Also that was an entertaining fight.
 
Aug 27, 2016 8:30 AM

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Good fight, good episode :3
 
Jan 12, 2017 6:37 PM

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To me hearing Accelerator's voice was almost as entertaining, as Bell's fight, especially considering his similarities with Bete.
 
Jan 21, 2017 6:24 PM

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It was fun seeing him fight. And not winning from some glitch.

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Feb 18, 2017 1:38 PM

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Wow. That fight was amazing. Best episode so far.
 
Apr 14, 2017 9:19 PM
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Bell now turning to Kirito, but thats okay because at least he was more of a loser in the beginning compared to what he is now. Anyways that was cool! He is more likeable than Kirito as far as im concerned.
 
Jun 24, 2017 1:52 PM

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That was intense. I really like how He overcome minatour from scratch.

I just hope this is not the last time we're gonna see this kind of battle throughout the series.
 
Aug 22, 2017 7:31 AM

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All Ranking S?? Bell sure improved a lot since his first encounter with a Minotaur o_o

Amazing episode! So intense
 
Dec 28, 2017 10:19 PM

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holy shit the minotaur got fucked
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Mar 3, 2018 6:04 PM
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I'm so happy for Bell I wonder what his reaction will be when he finds out his new rank level.
Bete is adorable but I also dislike the way he thinks of Bell. Lili has improved my thinking of her although when she first appeared in the series she kind-of scared me every time she smirked.

WHICH IS NEVER A GOOD THING WHEN A CHARACTER SMIRKS!!

Also, Freya? I think that's her name is very well-creepy like. For some reason, I thought she a Bell were related at first.

One thing for sure she is very.......




Creepy-ish.


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May 19, 2018 7:26 PM

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Great episode, it showed us and Loki familia how Bell has improved himself, definitely he's stronger than before and every time we see him, he is stronger. Maybe Bell is level 3 without knowing.

J.C. Staff animation is very good, at first I thought that it would be very normal but the battle scenes are well done for me.
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Nov 26, 2018 2:13 PM

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Nice episode. Great episode.
Finally, Bell stopped being a pussy.
And apparently, he's got great abilities to get op af.



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Dec 2, 2018 3:53 PM

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Epic fight at the end. Bell finally beat his fear from the past and showed how strong he got. Especially with the help of Aize.

Damn all abilites on Rank S? That's crazy. I wonder how strong Bell can get. At least from now on nobody will laugh at him again.
 
Dec 29, 2018 12:44 PM

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minotaur just stands there for five minutes as bell has his epic moment of realization
 
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Nice fight, this anime got more interesting since the last episode. More character development and more Aiz, the best girl so far.
I hope they cut more of the harem bullsh*t, it's just annoying.
 
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-Before the fight: Go Bell go! Let's see just how far you've progressed!
When Bell gets the upperhand and starts smashing he Minotaur with its own weapon: Holy what the son of a bitch.
When Bell kills the Minotaur by channeling firebolt into it: O_O Who the fuck is this guy??? He went from nothing to being acknowledged by his witnesses.

-At the rate Bell is progressing, he'd be able to take on a god in due time. The show is making deliberate use of the shounen powerup trope by literally stating that the MC has a skill that would allow him to grow at an astronomical rate, so I'm expecting the concept to be directly confronted or utilized plotwise down the road.

-The wolf guy is a complete asshole. C'mon Lili don't beg him of literally anyone else there.

-The bells tolling as Bell declared this as his first adventure was a very nice touch.

-The fighting scene was directed very well and maintained intensity throughout, complemented by the music that enhanced the atmosphere and well-timed shots of the group awing in Bell's newfound abilities.
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Hahahha, oh wow.
That scene when he tossed Lili away like a sack of potatoes. Ouch. I couldn't help but laugh.

And compare Bells arm after it got pierced by the minotaurs horn (I think, couldn't see it that clearly) with the minotaurs arm after it got stabbed. Although his arm should be done for (I mean, the horn had the size of his arm...) , he can wield a knife easily. But the minotaur instantly drops his sword.


And Ais is as expressionless as always. I think the reason why Bell chases after her is stupid. Why can't they ever write any good reasons in these stories?

I wish they would spend more time to explore the world. Why did the "gods" descent down to earth? I think they said something about it in the intro of episode 1, but I already forgot. Were they bored?

What is the deal about the dungeon anyways? Where does it come from, what is it's purpose?

And what is behind that huge wall that surrounds the city?


In terms of that, this show is as weak as Re:Zero. The only real hook is the "mystery" around the tower, Bells motivation (beside the "I want to be a hero" line), who Freya is and what she is after.
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