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Fai said: stealthdasher said: ollythirteen said: stealthdasher said: The Sidonia No Kishi manga was released before Shingeki No Kyojin though. Hey, I'll take Spear Weilding Mecha over gas-powered skipping ropes and meat cleavers as weapons (and the stupid characters that weidl them) any day, but that's just me... Well said sir. I couldn't agree more. It saddens be that people are overlooking this beast of an anime due to the fact that the brilliant manga it's based off is not that popular and that they are not used to the style of animation. You know what's depressing? Incesty generic shounen/romance bullshit Mahouka having a higher rating than this. I dunno about you but I reckon Mahouka and Sidonia are two of the best anime of this season. This show would be just as generic as Mahouka by your standards. Not the first time we've seen Mecha vs Aliens. That still doesn't stop Sidonia from being a great manga and anime does it? I think this has a lower rating than Mahouka despite having the stronger first episode because people are just not use to the CGI and seem to be turned off by it. |
AzlanApr 11, 2014 7:48 AM
| the setting, plot, art, sound and cinematography all really impressed me, like, blew my expectations out of the water, but man is the actual animation stupidly stiff. its incredibly distracting. i'm still pretty excited to continue watching the show, but that one point sorta drags the whole thing down a bit. i don't understand why cg anime producers haven't figured out how to make 3d models move fluidly without looking like animatronic dummies yet. i mean jimmy neutron had a better sense of movement than the majority of cg anime and it came out almost 15 years ago. |
stealthdasher said: Fai said: You know what's depressing? Incesty generic shounen/romance bullshit Mahouka having a higher rating than this. I dunno about you but I reckon Mahouka, Mushishi, Sidonia and are the best of this season. I think this has a lower score than Mahouka despite having the stronger first episode because people are just not use to CGI. idk. i really don't think its a matter of people being "used to" CGI, so much as CGI just not being "there" yet. things look beautiful... until they move. when we get anime with well animated CGI i don't think many people will be bothered by it, but as it stands most of the animation its almost objectively bad. i don't know if its a budget thing, or if new technologies like mo-cap might eventually able to fix it but it's definitely not what it should/could be, which is sad because i'm someone whose legitimately excited for the day we get good CGI. |
thedryness said: idk. i really don't think its a matter of people being "used to" CGI, so much as CGI just not being "there" yet. things look beautiful... until they move. when we get anime with well animated CGI i don't think many people will be bothered by it, but as it stands most of the animation its almost objectively bad. i don't know if its a budget thing, or if new technologies like mo-cap might eventually able to fix it but it's definitely not what it should/could be, which is sad because i'm someone whose legitimately excited for the day we get good CGI. I guess I was expecting a bit better animation considering the studio behind this show is the emmy and annie award winning Polygon Pictures. I'm guessing for Sidonia they had a smaller budget to work with compared to shows like Star Wars: The Clonewars, Tron Uprising and Transformers Prime. However I'm still enjoying the general aesthetic they went with and I think Sidonia has some of the best CG I've ever seen in anime. |
| Not used to the animation, but it is good so far. |
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stealthdasher said: thedryness said: idk. i really don't think its a matter of people being "used to" CGI, so much as CGI just not being "there" yet. things look beautiful... until they move. when we get anime with well animated CGI i don't think many people will be bothered by it, but as it stands most of the animation its almost objectively bad. i don't know if its a budget thing, or if new technologies like mo-cap might eventually able to fix it but it's definitely not what it should/could be, which is sad because i'm someone whose legitimately excited for the day we get good CGI. I guess I was expecting a bit better animation considering the studio behind this show is the emmy and annie award winning Polygon Pictures. I'm guessing for Sidonia they had a smaller budget to work with compared to shows like Star Wars: The Clonewars, Tron Uprising and Transformers Prime. However I'm still enjoying the general aesthetic they went with and I think Sidonia has some of the best CG I've ever seen in anime. oh yeah, i totally agree that the general aesthetic for this show is beautiful, like some of the best in recent memory. backgrounds are well designed and drawn. characters and objects are well modeled and rendered. even the the cinematography (framing/camera movements... etc.) is exceptionally good, but the way they way the characters move... not so much. |
skudoops said: I don't really have an issue with the mecha being CG (at this point all of them are) my issue is with the characters being CG.. it looks so weird and awkward and you can tell the framerate is shit. I eventually got used to it, but god damn, the scene with him falling into the rice processor didn't help their cause. I'm not sure if they were trying to use that to show how good the CG looked, but it had the opposite effect. Yeah I understand what you mean regarding the characters. A while ago I watched a CG anime called Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio and the characters seemed to be a little stiff animation wise however after a few episodes I got used to it. So I guess I'm just used to it you know. I reckon Sidonia is animated a lot better than Arpeggio though but I think that in the end animating anime characters in CG is quite hard and also I doubt it's within the Studio's budget to use technology like Motion Capture. Maybe if you stick Sidonia out for a few episodes you'll get used to the character animation. |
AzlanApr 11, 2014 8:09 AM
| Horrible CG there. I wonder if I'll get past 3 episodes. |
stealthdasher said: Fai said: stealthdasher said: ollythirteen said: stealthdasher said: The Sidonia No Kishi manga was released before Shingeki No Kyojin though. Hey, I'll take Spear Weilding Mecha over gas-powered skipping ropes and meat cleavers as weapons (and the stupid characters that weidl them) any day, but that's just me... Well said sir. I couldn't agree more. It saddens be that people are overlooking this beast of an anime due to the fact that the brilliant manga it's based off is not that popular and that they are not used to the style of animation. You know what's depressing? Incesty generic shounen/romance bullshit Mahouka having a higher rating than this. I dunno about you but I reckon Mahouka and Sidonia are two of the best anime of this season. This show would be just as generic as Mahouka by your standards. Not the first time we've seen Mecha vs Aliens. That still doesn't stop Sidonia from being a great manga and anime does it? I think this has a lower rating than Mahouka despite having the stronger first episode because people are just not use to the CGI and seem to be turned off by it. Sidonia has deep and breath-taking unique architecture, brilliant atmosphere, compelling storytelling, unique approach to characters, out of the line different type of approach towards animation and one of best OSTs in last few years. Mahouka has....incesty harem highschool of magic with vomit-worthy character designs and even more run-of-the-mill "plot". Sorry, no. It is not winning any awards in terms of creativity or quality and its reminiscent of the WORST of WORST anime shows ever created in last decade( Witch Craft Works , Hagure Yuusha no Estetica, Aquarion Evol and Clannad) |
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| this one wasn't on my list for this season, but I read some good reviews about it and decided to watch, I liked the first episode, I found pretty cool that he had trained on a simulator of a previous model, it is very annoying when it occurs that cliché where the main character is born already knowing how to pilot the mecha at high capacity, I was not bothered by CG also. looking forward for the next episodes. |
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| I agree with Fai, do not compare Sidonia with generic stuff like Mahouka. |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| MAHOUKA>>>>>SIDONIA GET OVER IT, YOU BUTTHURT COMMONERS |
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| Is it just me or whenever there's CG in anime, it lags like a mother fucker. These some of these scenes feel like I'm playing Battlefield 4 on a 2004 model Dell. |
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| This could need time to get used to. Interesting.. Lol a third gender? How does that work? |
| ☆*:.｡. o(≧▽≦)o .｡.:*☆ "There is something in this world that no one has ever seen before. It is gentle and sweet. Maybe if it could be seen, everyone would fight over it. That is why the world hid it, so that no one could get their hands on it so easily. However, someday, someone will find it. The person who deserves it the most will definitely find it. " — Aisaka Taiga and Takasu Ryuuji |
Fai said: stealthdasher said: I dunno about you but I reckon Mahouka and Sidonia are two of the best anime of this season. This show would be just as generic as Mahouka by your standards. Not the first time we've seen Mecha vs Aliens. That still doesn't stop Sidonia from being a great manga and anime does it? I think this has a lower rating than Mahouka despite having the stronger first episode because people are just not use to the CGI and seem to be turned off by it. Sidonia has deep and breath-taking unique architecture, brilliant atmosphere, compelling storytelling, unique approach to characters, out of the line different type of approach towards animation and one of best OSTs in last few years. Mahouka has....incesty harem highschool of magic with vomit-worthy character designs and even more run-of-the-mill "plot". Sorry, no. It is not winning any awards in terms of creativity or quality and its reminiscent of the WORST of WORST anime shows ever created in last decade( Witch Craft Works , Hagure Yuusha no Estetica, Aquarion Evol and Clannad) I'm getting anime Elitist vibes from you. Mahouka is not a harem anime. In fact their is little romance in it. I've read up to Volume 12 of the light novels and there has so far been no incest really. However I think your perspective regarding this depends on your personal ideals regarding incest and the impression you got from the first episode as an anime only viewer. When I started reading Mahouka I guessed that there was more to it than meets the eye and with that sentiment personally for me I was rewarded with a very enjoyable experience. I find the futuristic world that the author created to be fascinating as it takes on the perspective if Magic was more like an advanced technology rather than a supernatural entity and I also take interest in the detail the author goes into to explain the functionality of the magic and how it is utilised in it's application. To me as I read the novels I found the plot to be written better than in most light novels I've read. As for the anime I don't mind the character designs I mean compared to some other designs I've seen they're quite good actually and I think the animation and pacing is well done. I would ask you to give Mahouka a chance but I doubt you will and I would like to ask people considering dropping Sidonia and giving it low scores because of the CG to give it a chance as well. Regarding Sidonia it is quite generic compared to Tsutomu's previos work like Blame. Perhaps to draw in a larger audience as Blame was more of cult series. Despite this I think it has some of the best artwork I've ever seen as well as a pretty interesting story and the anime has done quite a good job to portray this. |
AzlanApr 11, 2014 9:18 AM
| Really liked this. Definitely going to keep watching. It's set to be my favourite anime of the current season by far. Will start on the manga soon too. |
 "Why did he have to surrender, what is more in the outside world, huh, sumptuousness, freedom? Nowhere in the world are you going to find them fools! Fools!" -USSR president, Future War 198X-nen |
| I quite liked the OP :) But the characters here urgh... so so bad... how can they be so stiff? I feel like I'm watching a cartoon from a decade ago... reminded me of one btw... And why are there so many light pink haired girls?? Decided to watch this one cause people said it was good but ... guess I'll watch a few more |
Lyrisia said: And why are there so many light pink haired girls?? I just love how clueless some people can be.... http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/cloning/whatiscloning/ stealthdasher said: I'm getting anime Elitist vibes from you. Yes, I have a taste and avoid kitsch, so sue me. Mahouka is not a harem anime. In fact their is little romance in it. I've read up to Volume 12 of the light novels and there has so far been no incest really. However I think your perspective regarding this depends on your personal ideals regarding incest and the impression you got from the first episode as an anime only viewer. It has a gary stu lead male character and a bunch of fanservicey useless female archetypes who fawn over him, via incredibly sexist narrative. That's a harem I find the futuristic world that the author created to be fascinating as it takes on the perspective if Magic was more like a advanced technology than a supernatural entity and I also take interest in the detail the author goes into to explain the functionality of the magic and how it is utilised. A world of highschool magic. So complex, much creative. As for the anime I don't mind the character designs I mean compared to some other designs I've seen they're quite good actually and I think the animation and pacing is well done. You mean expect for the fact that the two leads look DOUCHIEST and most generic as possible, out-doing even Kira fucking Yamato from gundam seed in terms of gary stu generic looks and everyone else looks like they stepped out of any other generic shonen show in existence? As for Sidonia it is quite generic compared to Tsutomu's previos work like Blame. Perhaps to draw in a larger audience as Blame was more of cult series. Despite this I think it has some of the best artwork I've ever seen as well as a pretty interesting story and the anime has done quite a good job to portray this. Different =/= Generic. His previous works drew inspiration from Phillip K. Dick and Blade Runner. Cold, distant architectural dystopias. Sidonia drawns more inspiration from transhumanist fiction writers like A.C.Clarke and I.Asimov. Sanitized clean looking strange architecture, exploration of human nature and sexuality, etc. |
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| Not quite as impressive as, say, the first episode of Gargantia, but as far as recent mecha shows go this certainly looks like it'll be one of the better ones. Frame skipping, awkward mouth movements and moderate amounts of cliche aside, that was great viewing. |
| I got used to the CG pretty quickly, the OP song was awesome, The 3D chicks were hot, the MC made me laugh, the setting is very intriguing.. looks like another favorite of the season for me, easily. |
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| Good episode. It will take a while to get used to the animation even after seeing Kingdom Season 1 but at least it has my attention. Sent with Mal Updater |
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| The animation is... weird, to say the least. I've barely read the manga, but the story is totally unlike Nihei's style. I don't know where it'll go, but I think I can't expect another Blame! out of this. Oh, and the opening is pretty awesome. |
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| oh man i was screaming in pain when he dislocated his fingers!! Felt mad sorry when he hit his head hard lol |
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| I'll tell you all a secret, mah niggas. Hajime Isayama is a Tsutomu Nihei's admirer. Mind = Blown |
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| Ouch for Tamikaze. All those injuries OMG : 0 Dat cliffhanger NOOO!! |
| Damn, that was kind of weird. Nevertheless, I definitely enjoyed the first episode a lot. Will surely continue watching. Also, the protagonist reminds me somewhat of Ichise from Texhnolyze. |
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ichii_1 said: MAHOUKA>>>>>SIDONIA GET OVER IT, YOU BUTTHURT COMMONERS And then there's this one desperate person. |
Fai said: Lyrisia said: And why are there so many light pink haired girls?? I just love how clueless some people can be.... http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/cloning/whatiscloning/ Well I wasn't supposed to know they were cloning people in their world, was I? Though I must admit it was the only logical solution... And you know, I was wondering 'why' not 'how'... so your answer is a bit irrelevant |
LyrisiaApr 12, 2014 6:16 AM
| Really good episode the CG doesn't bother me at all . |
| Sadly it is quite rare for a show rated a low 7 on MAL to turn into an 8 or higher. With 500 votes already cast, we are likely looking at more or less the final score. I've never seen an anime with a low-ish score at the start of the season end up significantly higher by the end, at least from what I can recall. Which is a shame, because this show deserves much more than a low 7. Needs more loli, apparently. |
ex_necross said: Sadly it is quite rare for a show rated a low 7 on MAL to turn into an 8 or higher. With 500 votes already cast, we are likely looking at more or less the final score. I've never seen an anime with a low-ish score at the start of the season end up significantly higher by the end, at least from what I can recall. Which is a shame, because this show deserves much more than a low 7. Needs more loli, apparently. Incest, lolis, highschool and annoying childhood friends are the requisite of an over 8 anime at MAL. All the while masterpieces like Casshern Sins end up getting a 7. |
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Fai said: ex_necross said: Sadly it is quite rare for a show rated a low 7 on MAL to turn into an 8 or higher. With 500 votes already cast, we are likely looking at more or less the final score. I've never seen an anime with a low-ish score at the start of the season end up significantly higher by the end, at least from what I can recall. Which is a shame, because this show deserves much more than a low 7. Needs more loli, apparently. Incest, lolis, highschool and annoying childhood friends are the requisite of an over 8 anime at MAL. All the while masterpieces like Casshern Sins end up getting a 7. Besides, the last time a mecha show "blew up" in popularity (outside of Japan) was how long ago? Fucking code geass from 2006? In terms of mainsteam popularity that bullshit like AoT gets. Mecha is kind of cursed to be at medium popularity at best, unless it contains lots of fanservice and lots of high school. |
| It was pretty decent, will take me another episode or so to get used to the animation, but I was glad to see that it wasn't at all bad. Hope there is some more action later on. |
| I do not like the CG characters especially... so weird. Otherwise it seems promising. |
| I am a human. |
| I really like the first episode and the atmosphere the series creates. |
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| I think I'll stick with this. Its gonna take a while to get used to the animation though. 7/10 |
| aside from the animation i like where its going. the plot and everything. |
| LET JUSTICE BE DONE; THOUGH THE HEAVENS MAY FALL |
| I feel like the episode was a little rushed for some reason. I actually liked the animation it was unique. Hopefully some epic mech fight next episode. |
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| Great first episode. My favourite this season bu far. But I'll wait until it's finished for the rest. |
| Just looking at the MC made my body hurt... I honestly don't remember, when was the last time I've seen a character, that inflicted so many injuries to himself in such a short time. More than that: I liked it. I like both - empty spaces and details of megastructures, BGM is awesome and I even the CG doesn't bother me too much (maybe because I finished Appleseed XIII not so long ago). |
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| I surprisingly liked it, despite the CG. The idea of a third gender is pretty cool, too. |
| Liked it so far. Actually it's really good. I'm used to CG since I enjoyed Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio. The OP is pretty badass as well as the alien projects. Definitely watching it. |
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