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| Holy sh*t, that was really good. The space battle was goddamn good. If all Gundam series were like this I would overloaded with happiness. Totally 10/10. Ramba Ral was good-looking LOL, unlike when he is 35 :) Loli Sayla is cute :) |
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carboncopy said: ex_necross said: The giant block nipple was pretty weird. I don't know why the closeup was censored though, these are OVAs, plus they already showed them just moments before. But seriously wtf Not the reason why I was weirded out, but yeah that is weird. I can only guess that it's some new style of censoring. Imateria said: The result of the changes Yoshikazu Yasuhiko has made is that it's actually a better story than the original without being wildely different and breaking the continuity (so far nothing I've read contradicts events of the other main UC series or OVA's like 8th MS Team or Zeta Gundam). Making Gihren, Kycilia and Dozle older makes a lot of sense as well sinse it means they have a much greater role in the establishment of the Zabi fmaily as the rulers of the Principality of Zeon. Anyway, I've gotten a bit off-tangent there. Maybe it's just me, but changing their ages already counts as wildly different because it confuses canon. And (if I'm remembering it right) there are side stories that mentions that the Federation only had jet fighters, balls, tanks and artillery against the Zakus, so the existence of Guntanks contradicts them. Also, there was an instance of "Sieg Zeon" in the episode. That phrase shouldn't make sense until 0079. |
masagrator said: carboncopy said: And (if I'm remembering it right) there are side stories that mentions that the Federation only had jet fighters, balls, tanks and artillery against the Zakus, so the existence of Guntanks contradicts them. RTX-65 is considered as tank in Origin, not mobile suit. :D 1st said: Federation tanks are exchanging fire! Wiki disagrees though. Then again, the term "Mobile Suit" most likely doesn't exist yet so they're still calling them tanks. Imateria said: carboncopy said: Not the reason why I was weirded out, but yeah that is weird. I can only guess that it's some new style of censoring. Anyway, I've gotten a bit off-tangent there. Maybe it's just me, but changing their ages already counts as wildly different because it confuses canon. And (if I'm remembering it right) there are side stories that mentions that the Federation only had jet fighters, balls, tanks and artillery against the Zakus, so the existence of Guntanks contradicts them. Also, there was an instance of "Sieg Zeon" in the episode. That phrase shouldn't make sense until 0079. Eh, I guess we can just conclude whether the changes are good depends on person to person. I agree they don't look their ages (Gundam-san pokes fun at this too; Kycilia is very sensitive about her looks in there), but I'm just gonna point back to the canon again. And as for "Sieg Zeon", I can agree it's some sort of a "Heil Hitler". Yeah, Gihren is likened to Hitler and Zeon to Nazi Germany. But, it means "Victorious Zeon"; it's supposed to be directed to the nation itself, which doesn't exist yet, and wouldn't make sense to chant to Deikun who is dead. |
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| Not bad. ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Young Ramba ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Young Hamon Not to mention they were both badass. Can't complain. Quite a few questionable directing choices here and there... rather odd pacing throughout, somewhat dissonant voice acting at times, really inconsistent mood/atmosphere and a few shots that would have been better had they been done traditionally, though the CG was otherwise fantastic. I like how the Guntank recoils, with a pitch and backwards motion. Little touches like that really help to make it seem big and powerful, and are generally absent from Gundam. Also, Hamon was bitchin' badass. This can't be repeated often enough. 4/5. |
| I thought just about everything was great but I had one major gripe/concern and that was how they portrayed Zeon Deikun. Throughout the whole Universal Century of Gundam he's painted as a benevolent philosopher who wanted to help humanity move forward in peace and mutual understanding through Newtype evolution but who also had himself and his romantic ideals buried+twisted by politics/political ambitions (of the Zabis). In a nutshell at least. The Origin ep 1 basically from what I can tell depicted him as some raving fanatic who didn't care about any of that Newtype theory/helping humanity move forward past its dark history/cycle of violence and merely wanted to wage war on those who live on earth. He flat out says "This just asks for more autonomy! That's not what I want! I want to wage war on all earthnoids!". I've seen, become invested, and have fallen in love with UC gundam and that sounds like a very iffy if not misleading portrayal of the character and what he stands for/what he symbolizes and how that plays into the future. That aside though it Origin was great. Never knew Kycilia was such a babe in her youth. |
Champloo_Remix said: I thought just about everything was great but I had one major gripe/concern and that was how they portrayed Zeon Deikun. Throughout the whole Universal Century of Gundam he's painted as a benevolent philosopher who wanted to help humanity move forward in peace and mutual understanding through Newtype evolution but who also had himself and his romantic ideals buried+twisted by politics/political ambitions (of the Zabis). In a nutshell at least. The Origin ep 1 basically from what I can tell depicted him as some raving fanatic who didn't care about any of that Newtype theory/helping humanity move forward past its dark history/cycle of violence and merely wanted to wage war on those who live on earth. He flat out says "This just asks for more autonomy! That's not what I want! I want to wage war on all earthnoids!". I've seen, become invested, and have fallen in love with UC gundam and that sounds like a very iffy if not misleading portrayal of the character and what he stands for/what he symbolizes and how that plays into the future. I definitely think Yasuhiko's portrayal of Zeon Deikun comes across as heavy-handed, and perhaps contrary to what the original show and its sequels might've implied - and it's not the only part of Yas's version of (past) events that I'm not so keen on. We should definitely consider his person in The Origin as likely distorted to some level from his stress and possible poisoning - but after meeting his raving wife, it does seem that Yas does envision the man as quite fanatical - whether or not he's only totally gone off the rails in these end days - who knows. On the other-hand, it might be going too far to take the idea of a visionary and truly prophetical Zeon Deikun at face value. His mentions in the anime have always been indirect - almost entirely second-hand at best - and I'm unsure as to whether he ever had any scientific basis on which he foretold the coming of Newtypes, or whether it was purely wishful and coincidentally correct thinking on his part. In fact, post 0079, But I'd definitely be careful about thinking of Deikun only as a person who sought to "helping humanity move forward past its dark history/cycle of violence", because speeches made by Deikun as found in Tomino's novels make him come off as somewhat radical in his beliefs. His assertions on spacenoids becoming Newtypes might be harmless enough - positive and thoughtful (if only given real credence with the actual later appearance of the magica newtypes) - but coupled with his views on the complete preservation of the earth and his sometimes supernatural rhetoric - there's definitely room for a somewhat more unpleasant and unhinged man behind the positive revolutionary ideas he brings. Of course, the novels diverge quite a bit from the anime, so there's that to consider too, but I think that in the end there's quite possibly a significant difference between the portrayal of positive newtypes in the anime - and what the actual ideas of Zeon may have meant for him. |
| I deffinitely felt that Deikun's dialogue was a bit hamfisted . I can see him coming across as a bit mad, particualrly under the stress of leading Side 3 towards autonamy whilst pushing his Newtype Theory, but he's never before been protrayed as war monger. I suspect the use of the word war was meant more as a metaphore than an actual statement of intent and would fit better into what little we know of him. |
Ckan said: Champloo_Remix said: I thought just about everything was great but I had one major gripe/concern and that was how they portrayed Zeon Deikun. Throughout the whole Universal Century of Gundam he's painted as a benevolent philosopher who wanted to help humanity move forward in peace and mutual understanding through Newtype evolution but who also had himself and his romantic ideals buried+twisted by politics/political ambitions (of the Zabis). In a nutshell at least. The Origin ep 1 basically from what I can tell depicted him as some raving fanatic who didn't care about any of that Newtype theory/helping humanity move forward past its dark history/cycle of violence and merely wanted to wage war on those who live on earth. He flat out says "This just asks for more autonomy! That's not what I want! I want to wage war on all earthnoids!". I've seen, become invested, and have fallen in love with UC gundam and that sounds like a very iffy if not misleading portrayal of the character and what he stands for/what he symbolizes and how that plays into the future. I definitely think Yasuhiko's portrayal of Zeon Deikun comes across as heavy-handed, and perhaps contrary to what the original show and its sequels might've implied - and it's not the only part of Yas's version of (past) events that I'm not so keen on. We should definitely consider his person in The Origin as likely distorted to some level from his stress and possible poisoning - but after meeting his raving wife, it does seem that Yas does envision the man as quite fanatical - whether or not he's only totally gone off the rails in these end days - who knows. On the other-hand, it might be going too far to take the idea of a visionary and truly prophetical Zeon Deikun at face value. His mentions in the anime have always been indirect - almost entirely second-hand at best - and I'm unsure as to whether he ever had any scientific basis on which he foretold the coming of Newtypes, or whether it was purely wishful and coincidentally correct thinking on his part. In fact, post 0079, But I'd definitely be careful about thinking of Deikun only as a person who sought to "helping humanity move forward past its dark history/cycle of violence", because speeches made by Deikun as found in Tomino's novels make him come off as somewhat radical in his beliefs. His assertions on spacenoids becoming Newtypes might be harmless enough - positive and thoughtful (if only given real credence with the actual later appearance of the magica newtypes) - but coupled with his views on the complete preservation of the earth and his sometimes supernatural rhetoric - there's definitely room for a somewhat more unpleasant and unhinged man behind the positive revolutionary ideas he brings. Of course, the novels diverge quite a bit from the anime, so there's that to consider too, but I think that in the end there's quite possibly a significant difference between the portrayal of positive newtypes in the anime - and what the actual ideas of Zeon may have meant for him. I can see how there's room for what you're saying but just based off of the anime canon I feel like Deikun's psychopathic portrayal undermines quite a bit in terms of the future chronology/story. I don't think Deikun is a saint either as Gundam UC does a great job of creating rather grey characters but he's always been depicted as a benefactor who at his core wanted humanity to evolve past war and violence through Newtype evolution. Now how easily/realistically that movement can be achieved is whole other discussion entirely (and part of me thinks that the only realistic way for that to happen was for someone to do something like what was done in CCA; the closest thing we have to seeing what might have been in that regard is the ending of the 00 Trailblazer film where that future seems to be more on the utopian side) considering how Earthnoids' souls' are weighed down by earth's gravity. But more or less Deikun being depicted as a nutcase makes the viewer (especially if Origins is their gateway into UC in which case this totally misleads them imo) believe that Deikun was only passionate about being at war with the Earthnoids and didn't talk much sense (passion in hindsight which is the kind of what the Newtype theory looks to move past so that's contradictory in itself). I kind of wish it was like you said and went mad due to poison and exhaustion. It would almost make things a LITTLE better for me but I don't think that was the intention as I think they would've/could've made that a little more clear by having him cough, look physically deteriorated, etc. in between his talks of raining hellfire on the Earthnoids and Gaia. |
| ^Like I said, definitely a bit hamfisted with his portrayel in the anime there. He wasn't even like that in the manga where he raged about his speach being inadequit to convey his thoughts and stir up revolution, but no mention was ever made of war. Heck, it's seen in a flashback and isn't remotely made clear what speach it would be or when it would be given where the anime clearly puts it as being the night before his death. |
Imateria said: ^Like I said, definitely a bit hamfisted with his portrayel in the anime there. He wasn't even like that in the manga where he raged about his speach being inadequit to convey his thoughts and stir up revolution, but no mention was ever made of war. Heck, it's seen in a flashback and isn't remotely made clear what speach it would be or when it would be given where the anime clearly puts it as being the night before his death. I'm really gonna have to go read the first volume of Origin or whatever this episode covered to compare the differences. I'm still quite raw about it lol. Also I've heard from some that Yasuhiko was part of the creative team for the original 0079 but upon a quick google search it looks like he was just doing character design? Is that right? Idk why I was under the impression he pitched on work on the story of the original. |
Imateria said: ^Like I said, definitely a bit hamfisted with his portrayel in the anime there. He wasn't even like that in the manga where he raged about his speach being inadequit to convey his thoughts and stir up revolution, but no mention was ever made of war. Heck, it's seen in a flashback and isn't remotely made clear what speach it would be or when it would be given where the anime clearly puts it as being the night before his death. Yeah, that scene being placed as a flashback (presumably from Astraia's pov) did make the manga depiction seem more 'uneal' - and perhaps slightly more unrealiable compared with the anime. But Zeon does actually say the same 'declaration of war' line (as translated by Vertical) and the colourful hellfire/burning stuff. Given how inflammatory his speech was, it does make sense that this was the speech he died before giving. Since Yasuhiko is directing - it's safe to say that this is probably how he would fit the timeline together, but it's also true that maybe it was the necessity of time constraints that made him move the event to a definite moment in time. Champloo_Remix said: This is from the middle of the manga - the Char & Sayla volume if you have Vertical's release.I'm really gonna have to go read the first volume of Origin or whatever this episode covered to compare the differences. I'm still quite raw about it lol. Also I've heard from some that Yasuhiko was part of the creative team for the original 0079 but upon a quick google search it looks like he was just doing character design? Is that right? Idk why I was under the impression he pitched on work on the story of the original. I'm not 100% on this, but I believe staff roles in anime back in the day were a bit more flexible - and character design isn't just the art, but also working on the backgrounding and perhaps plotting with the director. Yas is also credited as the animation director for something like15 episodes. So people mentioning him as one of the 'original creators' are probably giving a misleading idea, but he' was definitely close to the inner workings of it all. It might also be people getting confused with him being the "original creator" of The Origin. But Yas is definitely well qualified as the writer of The Origin - which is an amazing readaptation/interpretation sans the weaker flashback content. As the original character designer, a past animator who worked on the series, and also as a mangaka with a preference for historical-biographical stories - MSG The Origin really worked out well in his hands. Unfortunately, I do think that the 'past' and original content that the anime is adapting - well, it's the weakest part of the manga. (I'll try and respond to your earlier reply when I have more time - and if I have anything worth saying.) |
CkanMar 4, 2015 6:00 PM
| Am I the only one who thought they overdid the comic relief a bit? I feel like it really doesn't fit in to a political drama very well. Also, Dozle and Ramba Ral are two of my favourite characters from the original series, so the two of them being so goofy was a disappointment. Perhaps they're using it to illustrate their growth as characters, or will be in later episodes? Otherwise it was pretty good. |
| Little Sayla was really cute. I wonder if the Red Comet retained his spine as Casval Rem Deikun, and took Zeon's legacy, power, ambition and all, would things be different? Sunrise would give us another alternate universe, perish the thought but I still wonder. 8/10 |
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tofei said: Little Sayla was really cute. I wonder if the Red Comet retained his spine as Casval Rem Deikun, and took Zeon's legacy, power, ambition and all, would things be different? Sunrise would give us another alternate universe, perish the thought but I still wonder. 8/10 You know, I don't think it's so much that Char lost his spine as Casval or took the easy way out by running away from his family/father's legacy. I think ultimately Char chose revenge (in 0079) and couldn't forgive the Zabi family. He was too revenge-driven in the early stages to really consider what the Deikun name and legacy meant to him (although gradually you see him consider and empathize with/embrace it as we see it all culminate in Char's Counterattack where he chooses to follow/build on his father's legacy and Newtype theory and once again become Casval Rem Deikun). |
| I'm not familiar with the Gundam series myself but I've had a lot of friends pestering me to start off here. I enjoyed it a lot! And I'm sure it can only get better from here! |
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felipegomid said: Ramba Ral all happy being Artesia babysitter was ridiculous (in fact, Ramba Ral is such a nice character on the original Gundam and on The Origin he is preety disappointing...) That's the point. He is a nice guy, a man of honor and was one of the first to give Amuro a face of the enemy, so to speak. Anyway, it seems to me Sunrise didn't bring their A-team to Origin and I think the cg looks worse than Unicorn. The battles in G-reco look better (and BF Try, when it's not screaming and explosions). |
| Wow , that was just amazing. Best thing that happened to the Gundam franchise after Unicorn i think |
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| That was amazing.. it's been a while since I've seen some good gundam (dropped reconguista few weeks ago, bleh). I actually enjoyed the funny moments, I thought they broke up the tense serious atmosphere of everything else pretty damn well haha. I've watched 0079, Zeta , and most of Unicorn for UC stuff. It was fun seeing all these characters younger versions , even though I barely remember some of them (watched 0079 about 4 years ago, at a somewhat of a low point in my life) |
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JohnnyBme said: Any idea on when the next episodes will be coming? This fall |
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| It's a good thing I finally got around to watching the original Gundam a few months back. I understand what's going on and who the characters are! Degwin is so cool he never takes his sunglasses off. What's with the witch costume for Artesia? |
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| This was phenomenal. The re-writing of some of the events are pretty good. I like it. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Yeah, this was great! Aside from those weird CGI horses, the animation was beautiful. The comedic moments kinda stuck out like a sore thumb, but whatever. Is that cat Disney-sidekick-smart in the manga too? I couldn't help but think of how freaked out a real cat would be in zero G. |
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| How is this a adaptation of? http://myanimelist.net/manga/214/Kidou_Senshi_Gundam:_The_Origin So far in reading the manga and watching the first ova there is nothing in the manga that's in the ova. Kidou Senshi Gundam: The Origin is a retelling of the original gundam with some details here and there changed. so far the only relation it has is that its a gundam series in the U.C. and it has the same name. |
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eieio11490 said: How is this a adaptation of? http://myanimelist.net/manga/214/Kidou_Senshi_Gundam:_The_Origin So far in reading the manga and watching the first ova there is nothing in the manga that's in the ova. Kidou Senshi Gundam: The Origin is a retelling of the original gundam with some details here and there changed. so far the only relation it has is that its a gundam series in the U.C. and it has the same name. The anime is adapting the flashback arc that takes place about a third of the way in. If you're reading Vertical's release, it starts at volume 5. |
| If you have read the manga or have seen the next episode, Zeon Zum Deikun's messianic metaphors (e.g. referring to a cross when it is suggested he could be executed) is explained due to madness but for first time viewers it is a bit weird.[/spoiler] If you are watching the dub, you better have strong eardrums for Artesia's voice. RAMBO RAL The Munzo Defense Force members were funny. |
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| i found the first episode to be really interesting and touching with the emotional parts as well. made ya feel the tragedy of it all for casval and artesia. |
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| Was pleasantly surprised. Or, perhaps, surprised would be a bit much to say. After all, this is Gundam. I guess Char was tough even in his early days (as per his reputation). Ral Ramba also an interesting character. Ah, the power plays... The ED was beautiful! |
| That was... a little bit dull I must admit, but still worth the watch, if only for that Ramba Ral and Hamon badassery, as well as the nostalgia inducing appearance of old faces from 0079. Even though the reworking on the age of the Zabi siblings contradicts the canon, I quite liked the fact that it allows them to play a much bigger part in the uprising of Zeon and the establishment of the Zabis as the ruling dynasty. Kycilia's actions and motivations in 0079 also make more sense when considering the events of Origin and how much disrepesct and contempt she got from her older brothers. But otherwise yeah, as others pointed out the changes in tone were quite jarring most of the times and ended up killing all the tension. Not saying that a bit of comedy here and there is not welcome, but trying to make me laugh when Artesia and Casval nii-san are still in mortal danger? eh... Not once during this hour long OVA have I felt the slightest bit worried about these two kids and I think that's a big, big problem. Well, other than that it wasn't too bad I guess: the character animation was on point and hell, even the CGI was fine. That space battle pandemonium at the beginning was divinely chaotic. On to the second one, now. |
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| This film is the son of our time, the beginning is a blaze of bullets and explosions, in the best tradition of Gundam. The result reflects what is seen more often in today's narratives, but beware, it is not a demerit. Sure it lacks impact because the dramatic moments are interspersed with moments quite funny and even a little bizarre. The plot is well constructed, and well describes the characters and the dynamics involved in the Zabi's family. The character of Kycilia, remembers quite well that seen in 0079. Casval is really a charismatic character, his figure is not affected even in this animated adaptation, I'm impressed by the script. The same with regard to the direction, it is very beautiful and catchy the OST. Very nice also the prop design and set design. |
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| Like this episode, like me too much!! I though it was to going a adaptation about the original series, but the plot of this anime series is the first years of Artesia and Casval (Char) and how they had to scapes to survive to the Zabi family!!! The animation quality was very nice, and the plot i love it... There is one scene when Artesia jump to the mobile armor tank, her clothes and the black cat remenber my ....yes a this Witch animation!!! ;) The Ramba Ral character, like too!!! and the young nudity body of the Kycylia was a great surprise!! 9/10 for this first one episode!!! |
| Really surprised at how goofy this is. Not sure what it's aiming for. It's pretty plodding and uninteresting besides. |
| So, I'm not sure if this is the best page to ask this on, however, I require the assistance of someone who actually has a clue or two about Gundam, please. To date, I've only watched (as far as my memory serves me) MSG IBO, both seasons during their original broadcast. I've now taken an interest in the series and want to watch it all but have decided to start with UC as it would probably be both more convenient and easy plus make more sense in the long run. I scowered the internet only to find a few things: 1) Watch MSG The Origin after all other UC series, 2) Watch MSG The Origin before 0079 and all other UC series. I'm slightly confused because some people are saying it is before the events of 0079 and others tell me it's during those events, I've also heard it's about the past while others told me it's a retelling. Dated or not, doesn't matter to me since I'm going to watch it all at some point, the same can also be said about any skippable content or whatever have you. And so, I'd like to know whether I should start with this before 0079 or if I should watch 0079 then this or save it until after all of UC. I'm probably going to watch the 3 original movies immediately after 0079, as well. Any advice so I can start this trek? I found this link to a UC Gundam chart on another page here earlier today, though it was slightly confusing for me: http://i.imgur.com/L8NkDFf.jpg Thanks in advance and sorry if this is the wrong topic for the aforementioned. |
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Twileska said: So, I'm not sure if this is the best page to ask this on, however, I require the assistance of someone who actually has a clue or two about Gundam, please. To date, I've only watched (as far as my memory serves me) MSG IBO, both seasons during their original broadcast. I've now taken an interest in the series and want to watch it all but have decided to start with UC as it would probably be both more convenient and easy plus make more sense in the long run. I scowered the internet only to find a few things: 1) Watch MSG The Origin after all other UC series, 2) Watch MSG The Origin before 0079 and all other UC series. I'm slightly confused because some people are saying it is before the events of 0079 and others tell me it's during those events, I've also heard it's about the past while others told me it's a retelling. Dated or not, doesn't matter to me since I'm going to watch it all at some point, the same can also be said about any skippable content or whatever have you. And so, I'd like to know whether I should start with this before 0079 or if I should watch 0079 then this or save it until after all of UC. I'm probably going to watch the 3 original movies immediately after 0079, as well. Any advice so I can start this trek? I found this link to a UC Gundam chart on another page here earlier today, though it was slightly confusing for me: http://i.imgur.com/L8NkDFf.jpg Thanks in advance and sorry if this is the wrong topic for the aforementioned. @Twileska You're in luck. I can help you navigate the Universal Century Gundam shows and timeline. For you first question, I suggest watching "The Origin" after you've watched "MSG". The Origin introduces a lot of characters (mostly supporting characters), plots and sub-plots, that don't matter until the main MSG series/movies. So, a lot of the references and callbacks the Origin is trying to make will go right over your head, if you don't know what the significance is. Personally, I'd skip the Origin all together. It's not retelling the manga adaption of the MSG anime. It's mainly telling the flashbacks of Char (which leads to a lot of Char wank), and it's mostly unnecessary. As to the watch order, I suggest watching the shows in timeline order. Rather watching in release order. Since the UC is has so many side stories, midquels and sequels added to it. Here the list by UC year. 0079 Mobile Suit Gundam (1979) - 42 episode anime or 3 compilation movies. 08th MS Team (1995) - 12 episode ova. Takes place alongside MSG, but mainly on Earth. There is overlap for several episode. Example, episode 1 of 08th MS takes place during episode 11 of the MSG. Also, episode 7 of 08th MS takes place after episode 24 of MSG. 0080 War in the Pocket (1989) - 6 episode ova. Takes place during the last week of the One Year War on a neutral colony. The main cast of MSG had visited during their journey. 0083 0083 Stardust Memory (1991) - 13 episode OVA. Sequel to the events of MSG and prequel to the events of Zeta Gundam. 0087 Zeta Gundam (1985) - 50 episode anime series. The first true sequel to MSG. 0093 Char's Counterattack (1988) - A movies that draws a conclusion of Char and Amuro's rivalry. 0096 Gundam Unicorn (2010) - 7 episode sequel to the events of Char's Counterattack and meant to bookend the main UC events that started in MSG. That's pretty much all you'll need to understand the UC. Things I didn't list, are things you can skip and or, come back to later. They're not necessary. 0068-0079 - The Origin - Like I said, unnecessary. More about Char flashbacks, than retelling and updating the 1979 anime, with modern animation styles and CGI. 0079 - MSG IGLOO (2004) - 3 CGI shorts from Zeon's perspective at the start of the OYW. These range from ok, to down right bad. 0079 - Thunderbolt (2015) - Ongoing, but really nothing special. Lots of mech porn, but no likeable characters and a pretty weak story. 0088 - Gundam ZZ (1986) - A sequel to Zeta in name only. The series tried to take a more comedic route and ended up falling on it's face. Nothing of consequence happens in the show and except for 1 character, it's never referenced by any of the following shows. 0121- Gundam F91 (1991) - Meant to be a soft reboot of the franchise, but things didn't pan out that way. Some of this movie's thunder was stolen by the aforementioned Stardust Memory. Worth one watch. 0151 - Victory Gundam (1993) - Another soft reboot, after F91 didn't work. Victory was Tominio's attempt to kill the franchise, or make it as toxic as he could. The show isn't very memorable and it's really mean spirited and down right insane at times. |
AllStarNemesisSep 2, 2017 8:09 PM
megaload said: @AllStarNemesis 0068-0079 - The Origin - Like I said, unnecessary. Maybe but its is fun and deepens the knowledge about zeonisme and other UC lore. The biggest problem with The Origin is that the was the anime unfolds, it assumes the viewer has already watched MSG. And that the viewer will get and appreciate all the references, subplots that unfold in MSG and cameo appearances of major and minor players in MSG. It's a prequel that's for people who are already fans of the show. Not a modern day retelling of the original show, like the manga is. megaload said: 0079 - Thunderbolt (2015) - Ongoing, but really nothing special. It is really beautiful and in the same time brutal. Great action and mecha porn, countless UC references. Some info about the Zeon remnants you can't get from War in the Pocket or Stardust Memory. Eh, it's ok. The manga is the same way. Getting cute with the continuity of what the Feddies and Zeeks did after the war, and what level of technology the Zeon had for their psycommu research (the Psycho Zaku). When the Zeong (the omnidirectional mobile suit Char used at A Baoa Qu) was the first and only newtype/psycommu machine the Zeon had built. Both Kycilia and Degwin said Gihren didn't believe in the potential of newtypes, so he never allocated serious resources to building weapons around them. megaload said: 0151 - Victory Gundam (1993) It is lame and messy bit is kind of recommendable for watching before Gundam: G no Reconguista. Is Reconguista even worth watching? I direct people to Turn A and Gundam X, over Victory and Reconguista. megaload said: Also I like Gundam ZZ because it is moronic fun and also concludes the story about Haman Karn's rebel from Zeta. Double Zeta I do tell people to give at least one watch through. It's a 46 iode detour from more interesting thngs in the UC, but the Earth Arc (African Zeon, Blue Team, Leina's Blood, Dublin Colony Drop) are all fantastic and what the show should've been like from the start. |
| Having come from Unicorn, I can't say I'm a fan of the cgi. That alongside all the slapstick humour threw me off; it didn't feel like a typical Gundam movie. Looking forward to the time skip, did not expect this to be how Char's life began. |
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Prim3 said: Having come from Unicorn, I can't say I'm a fan of the cgi. That alongside all the slapstick humour threw me off; it didn't feel like a typical Gundam movie. Looking forward to the time skip, did not expect this to be how Char's life began. Much of the backstory for The Origin comes from the author. He used notes and outlines from MSG, that were ambiguous and decided to fill in the blanks with his own creation. Hence the overabundance of Char wank. With the Origin, the line between genuine story telling and high priced fanfiction, begins to blur. Just compare and contrast these two scenes. Kycilia and Char in the Origin (2015)  Kycilia and Char in MSG (1979)  As you watch the Origin, you learn the Zabi's had it out for Char/Casval since Zeon Deikun's death. In MSG, Kycilia (2nd only to Gihren) reveals she knew Char was Casval all along and didn't care. He worked under her and she put energy and resources towards his Newtype potential. Genuine story telling or High priced fanfiction? You decide. |
| I watched episode 1/6 edited for the TV broadcast and it might be different from that you watched on the Net. Instead of having no battle scene at the beginning, it had a cool opening (song). |
| Dat destruction. Dem bodies flying. What in the CGI! Char. A little boy in his bed. Go to sleep? Nani? Dat cat. WTF! Dat light. Artesia. Heart attack? Dat scream. Mr. Ral. Ramba Ral. Casval. Dat slap. Dozle survives this. *ding* Lucifer. Dat kiss... on the lips. Hello Hamon. Kycilia wants to see Casval. Dem cuffs. Casval Rem Deikun orders you! Take off these cuffs! Casval is 11. She was a nightclub singer. She couldn't give him children? Hamon playing a prank. Count to 100. Hamon came for them. Dat Hamon booty. Dem nuts. Oh snap! Kycilia oppai. Dem nipples. Gundam going back to its roots. Yes! Nice body. WTF! Light-kun. Casval will take them all out. Casval is the captain now. Yamete oniichan! They jumped, lol at Lucifer. Space. The sun. The moon. Earth. Good start. So happy to see nipples in Gundam again. Disappointed it was Kycilia's. |
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Stevewonder07 said: I kinda confused why deikun wanted to declare Independence in the first place. I was a bit disappointed in how little Zeon Deikun actually figured here. I would have really liked an extra 15 minutes or so to get a better feel for the man and his politics. Considering how important his legacy is, I don't think it would have been too much to squeeze in here |
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