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Marrone said: How is Thorfinn an elite fighter? Because he took out random fodder characters? He gets fucked up and his arms broken later on when up against badass vikings but you are not patient enough to see that unfold and instead focus on fodder background characters there just to show how Thorfinn is growing instead of power scaling Thorfinn like a shonen anime. You see in the first scene how Askeladd protected Thorfinn from being killed which implies he is alive partly due to sticking wit Askeladd's band he isnt alone out there. I didn't say that I'll drop it, I won't because it's not a single episode which defines an anime. But in general, I don't like when they time leap like that in anime. |
| There was a timeskip used in this episode and bit by bit, we are seeing how much stronger Thorfinn has become as a viking. His successful killing of the English soldiers certainly felt powerful and moving when he screamed into the sky in pure emotion. Speaking of emotion, the second half of the episode was really good. The kind old lady and her daughter took in Thorfinn after finding him unconscious on a log over the river in the East Anglia region of England and despite the language barrier, she was kind enough to give him food, water and also combed his hair to get rid of the fleas. However, Thorfinn still had a job to do and he did what he had to do, but he still wanted the villagers to run away to safety. Sadly, when the villagers crowded over Thorfinn as he killed the English soldiers in his way, the old lady saw what happened and burst into tears. I won't deny, that moment hit me hard, leaving me with goosebumps for the rest of the scene when the Vikings landed and killed any villagers that didn't escape. What a way to end a great episode as well. Very sombre and heartbreaking, but I still want to see more of Thorfinn's character development and progression as he gets older and more skillful with fighting. =) |
Mattinator95 said: would you have preferred it so start with a time leap then go back using flashbacks I don't think I would have liked that either. I would have liked to follow his improvement step by step. |
| Holy shit, there is a lot of misinformation in the comments. 'Highly developed nations' or 'professional soldiers' are things that only someone with no idea of the time this plays in can say. Maybe if you want to criticize the historical accuracy do at least some leg work before making a fool out of yourself. The English soldiers are most likely farmers that got put in a uniform, because nobody could pay a big standing army. That is also why Askelad and his band are so effective. They basically rob and plunder for a living and, thanks to that, are very experienced fighters with excellent gear. Given a scenario like a surprise attack they could wipe out triple their numbers without much of a problem and Thorfin now is basically a child trained to fight with a weapon that is uncommon for someone to use (remember he picked the dagger because the sword was to heavy for him). The highly developed nations are also a joke, because even if a lot of villages and areas gather under one banner the distance alone makes sure that every village is basically on his own. Even someone like the Danish king needs years to gather his army, sending envoys to villages (that is why they found and wanted Thors). Is the show 100% accurate? No, this is not history channel, but apart from some characters being portrait as superhuman it comes pretty close in terms of politics fights etc. Even the artistic license they take for some of the characters is rooted in historical writings. Imagine that even people of the time preferred to make the stories more colorful than they were. (sometimes to make them look better or the enemy worse etc.) Ahri-is-cute said: Can someone tell me that the mother is alive? The old lady has a chance to survive, because she is no danger and not an interesting target for rape or murder (unless they want to make sure everyone dies, but this attack doesn't seem planned that way). The daughter on the other hand ... she only has a chance if she ran the moment Thorfin told them to run and they made sure to not show her again to give us at least the hope. Pretty sure the manga was a bit more explicit (not sure though I read it a long time ago and there are tons of similar raids) and with Askelad making claims about the women you can use your imagination what happens if she got caught. |
zwolf12Aug 12, 2019 6:42 AM
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| At last, the true Vinland Saga starts next week. |
ManThighs said: For all the people bitching about how he shouldn't be able to kill people, I have to question if we've been watching the same show. His dad was extremely OP and it only makes sense that as his son he'd be at least half as strong. Even if we factor in his age and inexperience, he still has trained and fought vigorously with people who kill, loot, and steal for a living. This. Are you guys fucking dumb or something ? Why do you complain about a kid killing grown men when two episodes ago we had some dude knocking out 50 armed men with a single punch and throwing a guy twice his size into the air ? |
| What I love is that the anime showed ruthless side of war and piracy (here: vikinghood) from the point of teenager's view who had to grow up in that kind of circumstances. Thorfinn had to forget his feelings he had as a child when he lost his father and slowly, but fast enough, turn into relentless killer. We saw him losing his former life's humanity. The turning point was seeing that old woman disappearing and vikings rushing into her village. That's how Thorfinn's old emotions faded away, just like this old woman. |
| This episode really made the opening make sense. The opening seemed a bit off for a viking anime but the anger and rage Thorfinn has really lines up with the opening. Very awesome episode. He's become everything his father didn't want him to. The way he stabs people in the head and back of the neck is badass. I have a feeling he'll be doing a lot more things that will make him hate himself in the future. shion_shu said: We had the cute granny talking like a Japanese grandmother would You mean like a middle ages English grandma would? |
Zei33Aug 12, 2019 7:59 AM
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| Finally! I feel this story is about to start for real , all the previous episodes were introduction. Its so exciting! |
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zwolf12 said: Holy shit, there is a lot of misinformation in the comments. 'Highly developed nations' or 'professional soldiers' are things that only someone with no idea of the time this plays in can say. Maybe if you want to criticize the historical accuracy do at least some leg work before making a fool out of yourself. The English soldiers are most likely farmers that got put in a uniform, because nobody could pay a big standing army. That is also why Askelad and his band are so effective. They basically rob and plunder for a living and, thanks to that, are very experienced fighters with excellent gear. Given a scenario like a surprise attack they could wipe out triple their numbers without much of a problem and Thorfin now is basically a child trained to fight with a weapon that is uncommon for someone to use (remember he picked the dagger because the sword was to heavy for him). The highly developed nations are also a joke, because even if a lot of villages and areas gather under one banner the distance alone makes sure that every village is basically on his own. Even someone like the Danish king needs years to gather his army, sending envoys to villages (that is why they found and wanted Thors). Is the show 100% accurate? No, this is not history channel, but apart from some characters being portrait as superhuman it comes pretty close in terms of politics fights etc. Even the artistic license they take for some of the characters is rooted in historical writings. Imagine that even people of the time preferred to make the stories more colorful than they were. (sometimes to make them look better or the enemy worse etc.) Erhm... "However, in spite of this, by the 10th century, the Saxon kingdom of England was, perhaps, the best ordered state in Europe with a highly efficient administration that had a solid currency and could raise taxes to support a military establishment." Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_military_organization What is now England had been harassed by vikings for hundreds of years at that point, hence they had a complex garrison system in place to response to raids quickly. This included mandatory military service, a rotation system, expeditionary forces, expected equipment according to rank etc. Not that it matters here since this is obviously fiction. Just do some "leg work" yourself before you go after people and making up a whole paragraph. If anyone is really interested in the historical context and the warfare at the time I highly recommend "Saxon, Viking and Norman" out of Osprey Publishing's Men at Arms series |
SeygneurAug 12, 2019 8:45 AM
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| Thorfinn is doing all of this so he gets a chance to challenge Askeladd. What a tragic hero. |
Mattinator95 said: Chri_desu_ne said: I don't think I would have liked that either. I would have liked to follow his improvement step by step. That's how the manga starts. With a teen Thorfinn . From what I have seen when i looked at the first few pages Yes. The anime manages to put it in chronological order. |
nanashi796 said: Ahri-is-cute said: all dead and young girls raped Can someone tell me that the mother is alive? is that manga spoilers or what exactly ? |
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Mythologically said: Black_Sheep97 said: I guess we have different preferences for excitement , I like substance and great writing more than action. Yeah, I definitely agree. If only Vinland had either of those. I mean, it does.... |
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Ryuseishun said: axel360 said: The old lady was heartbroken when she saw what Thorfinn was. She knew the kid has been through some serious stuff if he's turned out like that already. Dude, that was the saddest part of that episode. She covered up for him despite knowing he's part of the enemy, because she was hoping he's someone who could escape the fate of going down the bloody path. Unfortunately he already has ventured down that road, and she had to see that right before her, hence standing there in shock and without words. That hurt for me on a personal level cause I saw that part in the manga. I personally felt like the adaptation did that scene pretty damn well, except for the whole language barrier thing :P That scene was heart-wrenching, my god... I agree on the language barrier thing although I think stuff like that is hard to with subs and the subs did a decent job all things considered. No idea how well they voiced it because I don't speak Japanese. |
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| Well Thorfinn grew up a bit and that story from the last was sad. |
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elementex said: too boring, dropped There’s no fantasy or magic bullshit or any of those cheesy ass cardboard characters. Of course you probably won’t like it xD |
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ChainxBastard said: The funny thing is nothing you said contradicted his post. That's why Askelaidd and his men are so dangerous and why they are sought after by the Danes in particular. To inflict as much damage as they could to England in preparation for the mass invasion to come through guerrilla tactics. Local villages had, as shown in the show, a small group of guards to defend against local bandits and equipment for the local men and farmers to fight. We used to call them Minute Men during the Revolutionary War, a concept taken from the Europeans. Farmers during this time would be armed and to sent to battle alongside actual military combatants. OP outlined a situation in which the Saxons had no standing army only conscript farmers, vikings had better gear because they're vikings and there were no professional English soldiers at all. Yep, and guess what these militia men had served in said garrisons burhs along with actual huscarls several times by the end of their lifes. Never made a battle prediction in terms of number. Did not state burhs were faultless either. I gave you an actual source by a military historian and a quote that pretty muchs sums up the consensus of contemporary literature. Let's leave it at that. This is fiction anyway. |
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| Even though the anime is taking a lil different approach in storytelling than the manga, it is still almost as equal quality as the manga. Easily the best seasonal anime by a long shot and quite possibly anime of the year too, if they handle the later chapters very well-ly. Can't wait to see the glorious manliness of Askeladd animated. elementex said: loltoo boring, dropped |
cchiguAug 12, 2019 1:48 PM
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
elementex said: Ryuseishun said: There’s no fantasy or magic bullshit or any of those cheesy ass cardboard characters. Of course you probably won’t like it xD Truth, if I wanted realism I would watch the history channel. Not anime. Yes, cuz every anime doens't need realism. It only needs waifu's, fanservice and generic mc's. |
| ((This is FAR from realistic lol)) that aside, the only major complaint I have about what I'm watching so far is that how it seems to devalue human life. People just die left and right for the sake of AcTiOn and the fact that it's sEiNeN. Even if you just ignored how historically unrealistic it actually is to have Vikings be these psychopathic serial pillage-killers, all the constant death and killing just desensitizes you to perpetual murder and violence. The death and killing is supposed to impactful. You can kinda tell the show's trying to sell that as part of its major themes. I get that a point of this episode was that Thorfinn himself was getting desensitized to the violence himself, but literally having entire villages casually exterminated holocaust style just desensitizes the violence to the audience itself, and what Thorfinn's becoming to be actually comes off as less of a big deal and more of an expected part of the daily cyclic episode of viking mass murder eh that's what i think anyway |
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| Really hate the fact that our cute boy started killing people just like that. |
| I feel like I say this every episode, but this show has the most predictable plot and yet it still somehow manages to keep me interested. Some of it is undoubtedly due to the great execution by the studio, and the rest is because it seems we are still in the prologue/introductory phase and that things have the potential to become much more interesting. Thorfinn's change seemed a bit sudden to me... He goes from a feckless kid to a killing machine capable of taking down multiple adult soldiers by himself in one episode? I guess we're just supposed to assume that he grew exponentially during the timeskip and that he is so powerful because he's Thors' son, but still... |
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| Really hard mission to pull up by a kid who left alone in the enemies. He just do everything for his duel between askeladd. I just feel sorry about old lady tho. |
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Daemon said: I feel like I say this every episode, but this show has the most predictable plot and yet it still somehow manages to keep me interested. Some of it is undoubtedly due to the great execution by the studio, and the rest is because it seems we are still in the prologue/introductory phase and that things have the potential to become much more interesting. Thorfinn's change seemed a bit sudden to me... He goes from a feckless kid to a killing machine capable of taking down multiple adult soldiers by himself in one episode? I guess we're just supposed to assume that he grew exponentially during the timeskip and that he is so powerful because he's Thors' son, but still... They actually fleshed out this back story way more than the manga. In the manga, we start with teenage Thorfinn, go through the back story up till Thors's death, and then immediately back to teenage Thorfinn. I think it's a good thing that they showed some of his growth, even if it isn't 100% necessary. |
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Mythologically said: Black_Sheep97 said: I guess we have different preferences for excitement , I like substance and great writing more than action. Yeah, I definitely agree. If only Vinland had either of those. You get enough sleep? |
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| Could someone tell me that we will learn fate of that girl? because if not it is very possible that she was raped and I would prefer to learn that she wasn't... |
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Daemon said: I feel like I say this every episode, but this show has the most predictable plot and yet it still somehow manages to keep me interested. Some of it is undoubtedly due to the great execution by the studio, and the rest is because it seems we are still in the prologue/introductory phase and that things have the potential to become much more interesting. Thorfinn's change seemed a bit sudden to me... He goes from a feckless kid to a killing machine capable of taking down multiple adult soldiers by himself in one episode? I guess we're just supposed to assume that he grew exponentially during the timeskip and that he is so powerful because he's Thors' son, but still... It might only be ONE episode, but its not been one day, months have passed, and he continues to train before getting his first kill, years pass before he becomes good at fighting. |
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