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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- The show returns this week but there's still a tense mood. While I still think Nagisa is a likeable character in the show, it feels like the show could do better to make the others more appealing. (for instance, Ayano) On the other hand, Nagisa is still trying to be a better player. I'm still rooting for Nagisa's future even if she has a mixed relationship with characters like Ayano. She is trying her hardest with some renewed confidence. |
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| Mostly just a build up episode but we got some nice action towards the end there. Ayano's snarky attitude continues to make me dislike her. This episode kinda touched on what I dislike about her character, What is she even playing for anymore? There's no reason for her to even play badminton anymore. Even Elena couldn't talk sense into her. From what we see of Uchika in this episode, she doesn't seem like a terrible person but that doesn't match well with what we know about her leaving Ayano. She claims it was so Ayano can grow independent from her? I guess that's an extreme way to go about teaching your daughter independence. The coach is easily one of the best characters in the show, such a good guy. :) It was pretty cool to see Nagisa score those two sneaky points off Ayano. Wonder what Elena plans to tell Uchika. |
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| FINALLY Elena understands that she is at fault for bringing Ayano back into badminton. Ayano's character just becomes more likable in my eyes. yeah she's mean but again in a Solo sport all that buddy buddy crap is meaningless. I HATE Uchika so much. Is she just clueless as to why her daughter won't even talk to her?!?! I hope Elena calls her a bitch and thats it. Nagisa won't win this match. I think Ayano will win but both games will be close. 21-19 and 21-19 is my prediction. |
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| That is, Hanebado is also on the way to the final match of 2-3 episodes? Mm, even more parallels with Harukana...In any case, I will continue to rooting for my beloved girl, although I feel that with the current style, the anime needs a very dramatic ending. |
RobertBobertSep 16, 2018 11:07 AM
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| SHE LEFT HER YOUNG DAUGHTER JUST SO SHE COULD GET BETTER AT BADMINTON hahahahahaha kill me now |
Short_CircutSep 16, 2018 12:40 PM
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| Finally. Took 11 episodes for someone to say Ayano isn't all talent. The talented over hard work stuff has been irritating since episode 1. Good job teacher. Short_Circut said: SHE LEFT HER YOUNG DAUGHTER JUST SO SHE COULD GET BETTER AT BADMINTON hahah kill me now Well there's more to that. She wants Ayano to play badminton for herself, not just to get attention from her mom. But that doesn't make Uchika's character anymore likable. |
UImoetardSep 16, 2018 11:16 AM
| What a ridiculous reason to leave your kid...... Anyway, I'm glad to see Nagisa start the match strong with 2 consecutive points, but of course there's no way Hane-psycho is going to be defeated easily. |
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| Yeah Uchika is beyond a shit parent, It's like she never realized she had a kid to raise. Feel a bit bad about Erena because she just wanted her friend to do something she's good at. While she did push Ayano to play, I don't think it's her fault directly. I love the teacher in this episode how she said that Ayano only got there because of her hard work. I feel sorry about Nagisa (the position she's in) but I'd feel even worse for Ayano. I mean if she loses, what would be left for her? I'm pretty sure Uchika would just ditch her again |
UImoetard said: Finally. Took 11 episodes for someone to say Ayano isn't all talent. The talented over hard work stuff has been irritating since episode 1. Good job teacher. Short_Circut said: SHE LEFT HER YOUNG DAUGHTER JUST SO SHE COULD GET BETTER AT BADMINTON hahah kill me now Well there's more to that. She wants Ayano to play badminton for herself, not just to get attention from her mom. But that doesn't make Uchika's character anymore likable. Still, there are far better ways for her to do that rather than just straight up leaving her lmao |
'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| So, she left without a word after Ayano lost a match, and found a new disciple. How can you interpret it as anything else, than being discarded by your own mother? And now she dates to show up like nothing f*cling happened and to even say, that it was for her own benefit. Looks like badminton is more important to her than her own daughter |
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| Uchika is a sorry bitch. Leaving her own daughter and raising some other kid just so Ayano could get better. Then Erena finally admitted she was at fault for pushing Ayano to get back into badminton when she clearly didn't want to. |
| Leaving your child for such reason is just utter bullshit. But that's just me. I dislike Uchika a lot. Really hyped for this match. Personally I hope Nagisa will win from Ayano, not that I hate Ayano but I just dislike her attitude. Really curious what Elena will say to Uchika. |
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| Can I just add, how much I liked the music backing this episode was amazing. Like again, this spooky crazy scene with Elena and Ayano, but also the beginning of the match! I feel like it was better than the last episodes - or I really just like this suspenseful, but uptone music :D Also I really grown on Nagisa, her developement in the past 2-3 episodes is amazing. Tactical break down by the pink girl (i forgot her name :/ ) is a good idea since it fits the context - not that it's not been done by others. But still. Really looking forward to the next episode. And love how alive this threat is, cuz I just started midway of Hanebado! with MyAnimeList <3 |
RobertBobert said: The respect factor will come into affect right before the first game ends, Ayano will win and then win the second game IMO. However this is a different beast from other sports anime so maybe JUST maybe there will be a surprise ending.That is, Hanebado is also on the way to the final match of 2-3 episodes? Mm, even more parallels with Harukana...In any case, I will continue to rooting for my beloved girl, although I feel that with the current style, the anime needs a very dramatic ending. |
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SoraSenpai said: RobertBobert said: The respect factor will come into affect right before the first game ends, Ayano will win and then win the second game IMO. However this is a different beast from other sports anime so maybe JUST maybe there will be a surprise ending.That is, Hanebado is also on the way to the final match of 2-3 episodes? Mm, even more parallels with Harukana...In any case, I will continue to rooting for my beloved girl, although I feel that with the current style, the anime needs a very dramatic ending. Well, Nagisa vs Ayano is the central line of the plot, and Ayano is the protagonist, so do the math. However, it is enough to me that Nagisa and Elena in general was in this show, lol. |
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| Okay, i hate Uchika, and you already know why. Nagisa become a likable character, i definitely didn't hate her but somehow i still prefer Ayano just because "abandon mom" need to happen (but seriously she need to town down those rude attitude). Would be interesting if the ending become like this: Nagisa win but couldn't play badminton anymore because of her knee condition, and Ayano beaten at the only best thing that she could do, stop playing too with nothing left, no mom, no friends, nothing. |
| no matter what sob story you add with uchika's reason i would still not like her ayanon's behavior i wonder how do you deal with that in real life, i still love her though her smug is fun to watch please stay technical till the end and dont give us the power of friends bullcrap |
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| You tell her Elena... Someone has to say something for her to realize... |
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| Moral of the story: If you want your child to be self-reliant, abandon him/her. and the best parenting of the year goes to... |
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| this is just... some of the SEXIEST shit i've ever seen... |
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SoraSenpai said: Ayano's character just becomes more likable in my eyes. yeah she's mean but again in a Solo sport all that buddy buddy crap is meaningless. May be meningless but some degree of respect is needed What pissed me off from her behaviour this episode is that her commentaries are trying to provocate Nagisa (not very noble, but a legit strategy nonetheless) and then goes on to their match to complain about Nagisa strategy, please |
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| Ayano and her mother needs a fucking slap in their face. |
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This is insane That living visual metaphor went from enclosed in its chrysalis to emerged and flying in under a minute during that conversation. It takes a butterfly's wings about half an hour or more to flatten out and harden after emerging. In a way I'm grateful that there ended up being no BS Uchika sob story (unless it's still to come), with her instead turning out to be unbelievably stupid and nothing more. Truly ill-conceived in either case, but there's less cognitive nails-on-chalkboard this way. I posted this on Crunchyroll two weeks ago The general attitude is not that [Ayano's] terminator mode is perfectly fine, but that it's to be expected. If I raise a child abusively and that child becomes a bully, his bullying is obviously not okay, but for anyone to approach him with "Now now, you should know better than this" would not fit his situation. I don't hate Ayano, but I am not entertained. "I am not entertained" describes this show in general when the focus isn't on Nagisa. |
| Now that the final game has started I think it's to voice my thoughts on Ayano and her strained relationship with her mother. Many of us here have been growing frustrated with this series and with Ayano's cold attitude. While I do understand all the frustration, I feel that the same said people are growing too impatient for release with all this emotional weight the series has had pretty much from the beginning. The thing is, there's a lot more going on here than you realize and once again I have to thank Nearly On Red's recent video on this very subject for it made me realize things I should have noticed earlier. Ayano's predicament started when Uchika's own life changed. You see, from what we know Uchika was a ten-time national badminton champion... who suddenly became pregnant and had a child. You see where I'm getting at here? In fact, have you noticed that Ayano's father has never been brought even once this entire season? Now of course we don't know what the circumstances were or how exactly Uchika got pregnant. It could have been an affair that didn't end well or maybe Uchika got careless and made a bad decision. Whatever the case, it changed Uchika's life. All of sudden she was no longer a badminton protege, she was now a mother. Something she clearly wasn't ready for. You see, I disagree that Uchika is a terrible person. But I will say that she is a poor mother. Not because she was abusive or didn't care, it's she didn't know how to be a mother. Ayano and Connie both loved her like a daughter should, but Uchika didn't see that way. She thought their adoration was because she was their teacher, and that's where she made her mistake. The thing you need to understand about Uchika is that she's a badminton fanatic. To her, badminton comes first and everything else is second. And that includes Ayano and Connie. If you look back at their previous conversations through flashbacks in previous episodes, she always talking about badminton and not about them. She loves badminton so much she's oblivious to everything around her. Now is she doing this intentionally? Well, not really. It's more subconscious then intentional. You could argue that maybe she abandoned Ayano as revenge for ruining her life but I seriously doubt that's the case. And the thing is, she was training Connie long before she left Ayano, as seen through Connie's flashbacks. It is mentioned that Uchika often took trips around the world while Ayano was growing up. And while she did use the word "daughter" there's a big difference between saying that word and actually meaning it. When I look at it now, I think the reason why Uchika left Ayano was not because Ayano lost, but because she herself lost. She felt like she had failed as Ayano's teacher and to relieve her frustration she flew over to Denmark to train her other student but ended staying longer than she planned because Connie showed great potential. And that's where Uchika's greatest flaw is. She doesn't see Ayano or Connie as her daughters, but as her students. It doesn't mean she didn't love them any less, but she loved as their trainer not as their mother. Like I said before, Uchika wasn't ready to become a mother and because of that she had no idea how to raise a child. This is why she's so shocked when Ayano starts treating her so coldly after she finally returns home after so long. It's because she doesn't understand human relationships, especially between mother and child. Badminton is her life. It consumes her every thought, probably even when she was pregnant with Ayano. To her, she sincerely believed that she was doing Ayano a favor by leaving her on her own, completely unaware that she was actually hurting her. Now with this episode ending with Elena asking Uchika about Ayano, we might get some revelation on Uchika's own past. Like how she got pregnant, how she dealt with it, and what led her to leave Ayano behind. It likely won't excuse her actions but at least we'll have a better understanding of her character. On a final note, in regards to this match between Ayano and Nagisa, I mentioned in a previous thread that Ayano would be a lot like Rocky Balboa. Well, in this case, the match reminds more of Rocky vs. Clubber Lang in Rocky III except this time the roles are completely switched. Ayano is now Clubber Lang while Nagisa is now Rocky. Ayano has now convinced herself that she's the greatest badminton player in the world and wants to show it while also wanting to take her entire frustration out on the badminton world. Nagisa, like Rocky, is the wounded warrior who suffered an humiliating defeat with Ayano and now intends to pay her back. Perhaps through the last two episodes Nagisa will actually defeat Ayano, showing that Ayano isn't as strong as she thinks, even if she has to sacrifice her knee. And perhaps at the same time, Elena will tell Uchika what she did wrong during their conversation and how she needs to make up for it. We can only wait and see. |
DirectorKSep 16, 2018 7:07 PM
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DirectorK said: On a final note, in regards to this match between Ayano and Nagisa, I mentioned in a previous thread that Ayano would be a lot like Rocky Balboa. Well, in this case, the match reminds more of Rocky vs. Clubber Lang in Rocky III except this time the roles are completely switched. Ayano is now Clubber Lang while Nagisa is now Rocky. Ayano has now convinced herself that she's the greatest badminton player in the world and wants to show it while also wanting to take her entire frustration out on the badminton world. Nagisa, like Rocky, is the wounded warrior who suffered an humiliating defeat with Ayano and now intends to pay her back. Perhaps through the last two episodes Nagisa will actually defeat Ayano, showing that Ayano isn't as strong as she thinks, even if she has to sacrifice her knee. And perhaps at the same time, Elena will tell Uchika what she did wrong during their conversation and how she needs to make up for it. We can only wait and see. Not a bad comparison but you gotta remember that they are both going to Nationals so yeah it's possible that Nagisa wins and only Ayano goes to Nationals and builds off her loss but I feel like Nagisa's chance for winning will decrease by the point. |
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| "In a world growing blind, who can expect me to see the pain that I caused?" -Anders Jacobsson, Draconian - Seasons Apart DirectorK said: When I look at it now, I think the reason why Uchika left Ayano was not because Ayano lost, but because she herself lost. She felt like she had failed as Ayano's teacher(....) "My student lost one game while suffering from a bad cold! I've failed!" This show is irredeemably ridiculous. |
SoraSenpai said: Not a bad comparison but you gotta remember that they are both going to Nationals so yeah it's possible that Nagisa wins and only Ayano goes to Nationals and builds off her loss but I feel like Nagisa's chance for winning will decrease by the point. Maybe, but remember how the Rocky vs. Clubber match went? Round 1: Rocky gave Clubber a taste of what's to come. Round 2: Rocky starts to do the same but then takes a viscous beating by Clubber. Round 3: Rocky continues to take a beating but then takes advantage of Clubber by mocking him, eventually wearing him down before giving Clubber a real beating and winning the match by knockout. I can imagine Ayano's and Nagisa's match being something similar. Game 1: Nagisa manages to win the first game even though it was close. Game 2: Ayano furiously goes all out and easily wins game two. Game 3: Nagisa lets Ayano take the lead, who's confidence starts to overflow, then takes advantage of it by unleashing her own attack, taking Ayano completely by surprise. She tries to fight back, but Nagisa is able to read her easily and relentlessly presses on. Ayano then starts to panic through the fear of losing and begins to stumble. This allows Nagisa to deliver the final blow and Ayano loses. At least, that's what I'm hoping it will turn out to be. nDroae said: DirectorK said: When I look at it now, I think the reason why Uchika left Ayano was not because Ayano lost, but because she herself lost. She felt like she had failed as Ayano's teacher(....) "My student lost one game while suffering from a bad cold! I've failed!" This show is irredeemably ridiculous. In what way? Every character in this show has had their own problems and so far most of them have been able to deal with it. But none of them have the problem that Ayano has. Uchika is no different. And that's the point of their characters. We're seeing what happens when someone places something over something else that is far more important. Both of them are going to learn their lessons the hard way. What do you think the Rocky movies were all about? |
DirectorKSep 16, 2018 6:48 PM
| "You talk too much. Think too much." "I don't care how justified you think your reasons are. I won't tolerate liars or thieves." "If you're not going to be nice to me, don't expect me to be nice to you." "I'm a soldier, not a superhero. Don't ever think of me as one." "The world doesn't revolve around you. Get that through your thick skull." "People who live by their emotions go nowhere in their lives. They only find misery. "If you don't like the way your life is than do something about it instead of sitting there feeling sorry for yourself." "You want something go get it. Period." |
DirectorK said: What do you think the Rocky movies were all about? Most importantly, providing an experience which mass audiences could accept and enjoy on its own without having a Wise One explain and justify it to them. |
| Finally, this show did something right... Pitting Nagisa against Ayano. Because now, after so much time spent watching this show with no one to relate to or root for, I am left actively, aggressively, rooting for Nagisa to put Ayano in her place, by beating her bitchy little ass, in this final matchup! |
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nDroae said: DirectorK said: What do you think the Rocky movies were all about? Most importantly, providing an experience which mass audiences could accept and enjoy on its own without having a Wise One explain and justify it to them. Pfft! Are you serious? You really think that's what the Rocky movies are all about? Nothing but "enjoyable" entertainment to appeal to mass audiences who just want to be entertained? Clearly you don't aynthing about the Rocky movies. This anime may not be perfect but it does have it's deeper meanings and it does have flawed yet very human characters. It's there, you just didn't take the time to look into it. |
| "You talk too much. Think too much." "I don't care how justified you think your reasons are. I won't tolerate liars or thieves." "If you're not going to be nice to me, don't expect me to be nice to you." "I'm a soldier, not a superhero. Don't ever think of me as one." "The world doesn't revolve around you. Get that through your thick skull." "People who live by their emotions go nowhere in their lives. They only find misery. "If you don't like the way your life is than do something about it instead of sitting there feeling sorry for yourself." "You want something go get it. Period." |
| I know I fell for the Ayano bad guy act, but I hope Nagisa wins because I'm fed with Ayano's taunting to Nagisa. It doesn't make sense why she's like that though, I think the writers are just looking for an excuse to make her a villain so that Nagisa's win could be justified. |
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magical-penguin said: SoraSenpai said: Ayano's character just becomes more likable in my eyes. yeah she's mean but again in a Solo sport all that buddy buddy crap is meaningless. May be meningless but some degree of respect is needed What pissed me off from her behaviour this episode is that her commentaries are trying to provocate Nagisa (not very noble, but a legit strategy nonetheless) and then goes on to their match to complain about Nagisa strategy, please See...I kinda disagree with the respect thing. It's an interesting subject since they are apart of the same club, but these two are not really friends, they're acquaintances pitted against each other. Like if the disrespect Ayano is delivering has an affect on the outlook of the school itself then yeah. But really what she is doing is somewhat natural. |
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| This show is weird with how it gets all dramatic but fails to make me sympathise with the characters. There's not much sports value here too. |
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CeddyyBearr said: Leaving your child for such reason is just utter bullshit. But that's just me. I dislike Uchika a lot. Really hyped for this match. Personally I hope Nagisa will win from Ayano, not that I hate Ayano but I just dislike her attitude. Really curious what Elena will say to Uchika. She'll say, make me your daughter too |
| totally dragging Nagisa getting her win back and setting Ayano straight... speaking of, hope Elena calls out the trash mom and set her straight too |
| The finals have begun, and I just wanna see Nagisa mop up the floor with Ayano. I get what Ayano's mother tried to do, but it was so fucking retarded in logic. Might as well have never given birth to her since that makes more sense than abandoning a child to get better at a sport. Overall, a pretty good buildup episode but honestly, Ayano and her mom have easily been the worst part of this entire series. |
| I can be wrong but it seemed that Uchika is acting like nothing happened, especially when she is smiling etc, she reminds me of Ayano with her "dead face". I think i am more interesting about Elena's conversation with Uchika than about the game xD Can't wait for this moment! Elena's conversation > Actual badminton game I don't think that Ayano will lose this easily but i think that something will happen during the next episode that will allow her to win or to lose but not with a sense that she actually lost. |
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