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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Serial Experiments Lain meets Baccano!, what a great series. I'm trying to piece everything into place, I'll re-watched it when I find time or better I'll buy the Novels. |
TuzoAnimeJan 14, 2010 10:42 PM
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| One of the best anime I've ever seen... easily. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Scoop tickle. |
| Great series, I might buy the light novels for this. It was getting confusing in the middle where the timelines were non-linear and I still have some questions but all in all, I'm glad a watched this. |
| That was interesting. I don't think it's awesome though. |
insan3soldiern said: One of the best anime I've ever seen... easily. This. Some things needed more focus though.Like the relationship between Toka and Boogiepop(yeah...the shock of seeing a body...how...convenient),the relationship Saotome-Manticore,Toka-Suema.The characters didn't leave a mark on me.They somehow felt like walking mental problems.Also,almost no focus on the organization and Echoes.Also,the story with the organzation felt really conveninent like:''How do we explain this?'',''I dunno...let's introduce a secret organization and an alien''.It didn't bother me that much though.Lol,I think I'm trying to find bad points because it's so good.Overral,I admit that this series is outstanding but I didn't enjoy it as much as I hoped.9.5/10 |
| "This Forest isn't going to reveal all its secrets for the likes of you." |
| Watch the live action "Boogiepop and Others" or read the light novel. It's absolutely necessary to get the full picture. Touka/Boogiepop, Echoes, Saotome/Manticore, et al. are expanded upon. |
| this was indeed a very very good anime |
After I Crush Your Dreams...... Your Bones Will Follow...... |
| This ending was not satisfying for me. Also, I have to disagree with everyone shouting "best anime ever". It had the potential, but it wasted itself on a horrible plot and bland characters with convenient flaws that allow them to develop a mental issue, which seems to be the sole reason for their existence. Probably the only things this anime excels at are sound effects and the side stories. Each episode focuses on a character and its respective trauma, with some supernatural to spice things up. These are the side stories, and their narrative is basically the series' strongest point. However, since episode 1, you can see there's something big going on in the background, and it just keeps getting more and more disappointing as more footage on it is shown. Footage, yes, because the main plot is only briefly touched on using flashbacks. Nothing is told, nothing is explained. Case in point: This series' main plot is centered on a single event which is never explained - that pillar of light that showed up (a cataclysm, if we can call it that) when Boogiepop Phantom was created and the Manticore supposedly destroyed, and which was the reason for the strange abilities that some people developed after it. However, the series never explains what even happened. It simply throws pieces of a puzzle that has more imaginary fragments than real ones, as if the viewer is supposed to be the story teller. Nothing on what is Boogiepop, nothing on the secret organization other than it exists, nothing on whatever are Echoes, very little on what is Manticore other than it's an alien, etc.. The series explains nothing. It simply says that these things exist and it's up to the viewer to "imagine" what they're supposed to be. I really cannot give this more than a 6. Not bad, but could have been so much more. |
ArcanusJul 2, 2011 2:43 PM
| I was wondering how this was going to end, and I have to say I'm not exactly satisfied either. This series had moments in which I loved the overall mood, and it was a good series, but I didn't like the ending and felt like something was missing... although to be fair I haven't read the novels, so I wouldn't know exactly what it is. |
| Not bad although I found Paranoia Agent a bit better. |
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| it finally ended although i did not feel satisfied with the series |
| I think I expected some kind of Tetsuo finale, maybe because I saw Lain before this, but now that I think about it, in Lain, it wasn't very effective... So a very bright, almost colorful and soothing ending, fitting to the name Requiem (Everything will end falling asleep) of the episode. With the final bits of knowledge provided (like Boogiepop's identity), I think a rewatching is in order. But I disagree with Arcanus, plenty of info is hinted at all the time, and to me the main plot is the side stories: a straight forward story (evil secret organisation that disapprooves of change... this has been overdone) would empoverish a great deal what is a very unique anime. True, it was on the weak side considering the graphics, but all the rest, namely the sound design, montage, directing, writing and characters (easy for a novel, but still)... were excellent. The end might have been a little anti-climatic, but I found it coherent with the rest of the anime. I wish there were more anime like this. I'm probably gonna check the live action next... |
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| The end was a little weak, more there to tie things up than to really have a climax. All told the series was good, it had some problems in my eyes--the characters were on the weaker side being the most glaring one. All told I give it a 7/10, if it weren't for a couple episodes that I gave 3/5 it would have been an 8/10. I'd recommended it to anyone who likes Lain and Paranoia Agent. My assessment is that it's on a level with Paranoia Agent but far below Lain. |
| certainly an interesting series. i like its dark (Lain wannabe) setting. but the end was weak. |
RunciterMar 27, 2020 3:01 AM
| The issue present seems to be that you either know all these little secrets coming in, having watched a live action film or read the books, or don't have a clue about any of the events. And the problem is that it never warns anybody that there is some prerequisite knowledge required to fully understand what's going on and proceeds assuming you did. The rest is an artistic choice. The focus on side characters has always been a franchise style and it's fitting I think. Really, really fun to put together a plot from the disjointed stories. Characters were actually quite enjoyable. I think they really represent an issue in society and creates a great dynamic with the pied piper aspect. Maybe it's because I've grappled with some of the issues presented (and, in a Neon Genesis Evangelion fashion, you need to be familiar with the issues to really, really relate to them), or because I love the psychological dynamics this show presents...but it's quite a fun adventure. I personally liked the last episode. A bit of end tying, as it may be. There needed to be a little bit of a wrap up to let people who are familiar have a little bit of a closing. It's a little slow by comparison, since the show climaxes at the 9-11 mark. Needless to say, this show feels a bit underrated...but it was its own undoing. It should really include a half episode or something highlighting the original events that it needs you to know. Maybe right at the very end, where it dumps the entire key Boogiepop at Dawn event. |
kirantMay 19, 2013 1:51 AM
| Burkeism - Our president is more truculent than yours. |
| For me the series would have been better without the last episode. It was too normal and kind of pointless. But overall this anime was fun to watch. |
| So he was the detective afterall, what do you know. I admit I like the series becasue of the storytelling style, however too much is left unexpained because of the novels that take place before the series. Had those been animated into a series first I think this would be far more enjoyable. You cannot make a show where people have to read all the novels before and you jump into the middle of the story unless its adequately explained. This is where Baccano and Durarara shine and Boogiepop failed. So for that I have to drop the score from 8/10 to 6/10. |
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| I definitely wasn't expecting this kind of ending. A fairly calm ending that ties up the events of the series. I won't claim to understand everything that occurred, but from what I did gather this was a solid experience. Initially I found it to be a bit too dreary and bland but it quickly grew on me and I enjoyed the psychological & philosophical ideas that were brought to the table, such as regret and what our memories mean to us. By the end I felt like the initially dull art complimented the mood of the show well. Not everything should be flashy or top tier art. I'm not going to nitpick too much since honestly I have no idea where to start anyway. I'll just say that I enjoyed it well enough but I can't say anything revolutionary or awe inspiring clicked in place for me. A rewatch would probably do this series justice but that might have to wait several years, just as I did when slowly unraveling Serial Experiments Lain. 7/10 |
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| Final episode was done nice. A nice ending compared to the tone of the other episodes. But I didn't get an explanation for a lot of the mysteries. I might have to rewatch this someday. Might watch the live action film instead. |
| A very convoluted mess if you havn't read the source material XD |
| I really enjoyed the first 11 episodes of Boogiepop, but I really didn't much care for this final episode. I honestly think the show would have been much better without this ending. |
| this was a waste of time |
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| Pretentious gobbledygook with bland characters and unexplained plot no doubt to add to the "mystery" of this show. I cared nothing about what occured here, only time I was ever entertained was the amusement park showdown episode. Other than that.. bleh. |
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| Well I can say that this anime was rather different, in general it was first quite hard to get used to the very colorless and dark atmosphere and in terms of storytelling it also was quite different. The pacing also fluctuated quite heavily and that did bother me quite a bit, as well as the rather unclear yet clear statements of the whole story line. But in general a rather interesting and unique anime, but definitely not something I'd recommend or suggest to anyone personally. |
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| Grippng the sudden bad turn of devasted tormented within fear comes to an end, Not all ending could be meaningful but it symbolized every tune livin' deep inside our voices. Mostly every story are connected, "the main core of an Important girl since ep 11, once again relies the path of living and open up her on mind to freedom as she doesn't exist outside from our world. Cause the final last standing is naturally a well done. 5/5 Best ending to me :D |
-HippySnob-Jun 8, 2017 9:06 PM
 "Think about that glowing dust That destroys the night sky's dream of Just being nothing"--  -- |
| This series was incomplete for me because there was that light that seemed to be the cause, how did it happen and what caused. We only saw it disappearing with Manaka but not how it came to be, to me it never fully explained also Boogiepop's existence or why boogipop phantom existed also. But this last episode was twisted a bit with Kishida being really Kuroda, they did lookalike but I never guessed but that Manticore is one persistent bastard. I will give it 6/10 for life lessons it taught, also because it had that edgy feeling and dark aura but picture it was old and cranky. |
lihle808Oct 17, 2017 2:36 PM
How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb --- Dr Strangelove  |
| tbh I get exhausted with these "cerebral", "delve into the human psyche" animes, and this series made me realize two major reasons why. The lesser of the two being that its insights into memory and delusion and the implications of a mind-generated universe were not very developed, and were spoon fed to the audience via spamming Kirima Seiichi quotes and character dialogue that blatantly lays the themes bare. For the most part, it misses the "delve" part of the phrase "delve into the human psyche", and it's certainly not alone in this, I feel similarly about Ghost in the Shell. Secondly, and more of an issue for me, is this show was just so relentlessly bleak. The information provided in this final episode does beg a rewatch, but I don't know if I want to put myself through this show again. Like, I'm sure I'd notice some cool, interesting things now that I know who and what Boogiepop and the Manticore are, but idk if it's worth sitting through brutal tragedy after brutal tragedy just to piece together the overarching plot that isn't even the main focus of the series in the first place. It's a trend that "cerebral" animes are also dark and depressing, and this series at times felt like a caricature of that trend. You can have a series/film/whatever that is great because of how tragic it is OR you can have a series/film/whatever that is great because subsequent viewings unravel the mystery more and more, making it an addictive, puzzling watch. Pick one. |
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| The big reveal! Toka is Boogiepop! It's one of those things that's like "oh, why didn't I see this before?" Fitting end. Filled in the final gaps. Well sort of. It's still difficult to keep track of all the characters, who's who and all that. Maybe I'll rewatch it again with the director's commentary on my DVDs, could be interesting. 7/10 (good) it remains. Great soundtrack on this one. Visuals are, not sharp. Interesting arrangement / story telling (which is why I like it). |
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| Easily the most confusing anime I've ever seen and I'm not really satisfied with the conclusion. It was still worth watching for the side stories imo, even tho I wasn't able to get the overarching plot in it's entirety. And also for the atmosphere, especially the sound was excellent. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Confusing, confusing, confusing.. ugh my brain. |
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| An okay epilogue, confirming various suspected elements. 3/5 Great 2000s night show delving into modern society's teenagers and troubles, where the background story never gets too important for the series plan. It manages its poor animation quite well and the overall style (narration, audio, visuals) enhances the content. Score: 8/10 Production notes: http://evaotaku.com/boogiepop/notes.html It's weird to read that the series requires to have read the novels. I never touched one myself. Also, the peoples questionning about Echoes, the Manticore, whatever. An episode claims that Echoes is an alien being that was found and used for experiments, that the Manticore was one of those failed experiments, that the serum came from that too, etc. It's not like we didn't get the minimal informations needed tonmake sense of the (uninteresting) scifi red thread. @Urufuzu_rein You're asking the series to tell the story it simply used as background canvas. A few eps were enough to understand that the series "main" thing wasn't this intrigue but rather the exploration of its themes through the various depicted cases. @Arcanus Maybe the "side stories" were the "story"? @bitchassdarius I thought the many cases we saw were going along fine. Why was it "thematically unfocused"? @Skydrop Aim for the top* (Ace is a tennis series) |
Rei_IIIMar 10, 2019 10:11 AM
Katsu-kun said: Confusing, confusing, confusing.. ugh my brain. Yep...but that’s why I somehow liked it. It being somewhat creepy helped too. Barely makes it to 8/10 |
| I've seen the 2019 version where they cover most of the novels, so for me, I knew some of the most important backstories that happen with Echo's and the gang(The Electromagnetic Light explosion) That said I can say that this show easily is better than the 2019 one because this one covered its own non-canon singular story arc(this arc does not have a light novel, it's anime original), while the 2019 version contains several but it sort of just ended. But this episode sort of concluded the whole Boogiepop story even if it was one arc. What I mean is I am actually grateful I watched this after the 2019 version because this last episode happens after all the events in the 2019 one which in turn also made that show even better to me(Kirima and Suema are more explored in the 2019 version making this ending so much more bittersweet for me) That said, the Boogiepop story is not really about Boogiepop, it's about teenagers and the life struggles they face at the age of transitioning to be adults. That is what I loved about this and the 2019 show, and this show gave me exactly more of what I wanted plus a great conclusion to tie up this and the 2019 show. So I recommend people to watch this after 2019 one, trust me you won't regret it. 9/10. |
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Arcanus said: This ending was not satisfying for me. Also, I have to disagree with everyone shouting "best anime ever". It had the potential, but it wasted itself on a horrible plot and bland characters with convenient flaws that allow them to develop a mental issue, which seems to be the sole reason for their existence. Probably the only things this anime excels at are sound effects and the side stories. Each episode focuses on a character and its respective trauma, with some supernatural to spice things up. These are the side stories, and their narrative is basically the series' strongest point. However, since episode 1, you can see there's something big going on in the background, and it just keeps getting more and more disappointing as more footage on it is shown. Footage, yes, because the main plot is only briefly touched on using flashbacks. Nothing is told, nothing is explained. Case in point: This series' main plot is centered on a single event which is never explained - that pillar of light that showed up (a cataclysm, if we can call it that) when Boogiepop Phantom was created and the Manticore supposedly destroyed, and which was the reason for the strange abilities that some people developed after it. However, the series never explains what even happened. It simply throws pieces of a puzzle that has more imaginary fragments than real ones, as if the viewer is supposed to be the story teller. Nothing on what is Boogiepop, nothing on the secret organization other than it exists, nothing on whatever are Echoes, very little on what is Manticore other than it's an alien, etc.. The series explains nothing. It simply says that these things exist and it's up to the viewer to "imagine" what they're supposed to be. I really cannot give this more than a 6. Not bad, but could have been so much more. Thank you for summing up my thoughts on this show perfectly. |
 This is not your grave...But you are welcome in it :3  |
| This anime is better if u binge since it contains several scenes and characters from episodes ago. You can easily remember if u do that. I've seen the 2019 version first and the old Boogiepop is more character-oriented while the 2019 version is more plot-oriented. Both are pretty good -watch the 2019 version if u want to know more about pillar of light and better understanding of the plot in general. -watch the 2000 version if u want a creepy atmosphere and better handling of themes 8/10 for the anime |
NurguburuApr 15, 2021 11:18 PM
| All weebs creatures of the galaxy, hear this message. Those of you who listen will not be struck by western animation. You will no longer know hunger, nor pain. Your Anime have come to lead you now. Our strength shall serve as a luminous sun toward which all intelligence may blossom. And the impervious shelter beneath which you will prosper. However, for those who refuse our offer and cling to their western animation ways… For you, there will be great wrath. |
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