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Nov 23, 2008 11:45 AM

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Wow...Yoji is insane! This episode was great because half the time I wasn't sure if I was watching reality or his messed up virtual version of Rie.I just have one question, at the end was it his dad that took the program off of his computer?
Apr 19, 2009 7:50 PM
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creepy episode is creepy, every time yoji confused reality with his ero-game and attacked Rie was really messed up. looking forward for the other episodes
Aug 24, 2009 10:32 AM

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I just watched this episode last night before I went to sleep. It tried its damndest to mess with my head. o_O

I don't think that Yoji's dad had anything to do with Yoji's computer malfunction. I'm fairly certain it was a result of the giant pillar of light that appeared in the middle of the city. Not hard to imagine that it would create a lot of technical interference.
Nov 25, 2009 1:48 AM

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Was it just me or was that Nagi in the alley eating that girls corpse? Very good episode as everyone else has said and,yeah, it was definitely the pillar of light that caused the computer malfunction.
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Dec 10, 2009 12:00 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I love boogiepop... But this whole episode made me rage, Not to mention the type s plot point never get's explained in the show (I hear it is in the books though).
Oct 30, 2010 10:35 AM

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insan3soldiern said:
Was it just me or was that Nagi in the alley eating that girls corpse? Very good episode as everyone else has said and,yeah, it was definitely the pillar of light that caused the computer malfunction.

I wonder... It could be Nagi, I didnt see her very well, but at the same time, I dont think so.
Jan 20, 2011 4:41 AM
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Rie...Rie...Rie....ya,I saw this part in a few episode ago.

and the "drug" is lol ..gosh Saotome surely knows how to make his crazy experiment.I don't even know is this going to take over the world or just playing with the world.Yurihara should just kill him already -.-"
insan3soldiern said:
Was it just me or was that Nagi in the alley eating that girls corpse?

The Thing is a "human eater" or Manticore .Now it is in the body of Yurihara Minako.
The light pillar happen after when Manticore and Saotome 's death actually the time setting is very confusingly hard to grasp.In the last episode,Boogiepop said that Saotome died, so I guess last ep is happen after the light pillar event.
May 2, 2011 6:07 PM

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very good episode its all linking up now and u guys really should pay attention more and stop guessing
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Jul 13, 2011 1:45 PM

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Heh what a creep >_> it was a very interesting episode
Aug 4, 2011 3:18 AM
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Oh man, a lot to cover this time. It's time for the Boogiepop Backstory Power Hour.

Sep 2, 2012 9:15 PM

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Pretty good ep, i'm finally getting interested in where the show is going.
Sep 14, 2012 6:00 AM

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What an uber-creepy episode. Neatly executed, with the again the final twist linking all the events. Still loving it.
Jan 9, 2013 8:52 PM

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This really was a well-done episode. Just standing on its own, it was a great way to spend 25 minutes. Things are starting to come together more and more now. I'm looking very forward to what the next episode reveals.
Apr 17, 2013 10:43 PM

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This show is so intense, I love it! Its crazy to see how much yoji's personallity changed from the beginning to the end of the episode. Its awesome how this show is slowly connecting the people from each episode.
Jun 20, 2013 2:45 AM

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This episode is insane and here I thought Serial Experiments Lain and Ergo Proxy would put me on acid. Nice episode.
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Dec 25, 2013 7:47 AM

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Wow, the best episode so far. It's easier to enjoy this episode as I can relate to alot of the themes of this episode, it was just so well done.
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Jun 21, 2014 1:01 AM
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Pretty messed up episode.For a second I thought this was going to turn to rape or something thankfully that didint happen.Though the girl should of just quit instead of telling the boss since even if the boss fired the guy he still knew where she worked and could attack.At first I felt bad for the guy since ya know your parent calling you stupid and stressing you out can lead to some problems but then he got a bit to touchy feeling with the girl.I was surprised noone els was effect by the drug since it was being used out in the open.
Jun 30, 2014 11:07 PM

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Holy crap Yoji was insane.
Oct 29, 2014 7:29 PM

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paraphiliac freak!
Nov 29, 2014 12:35 PM

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Definitely my favorite episode so far, the creepy atmosphere was set up well and Yoji had me freaked out through and through. The idea of a person's obsession with fantasy and watching it blend with and distort reality felt suffocating at times, such as when he licks the monitor to imitate licking the ice cream. It's also starting to put together what's going on in that city.

I couldn't help but laugh though when Yoji was wigging out over Rie, reminds me of the otaku who celebrate their waifus. "You're all mine, Mio Akiyama!" The sad part is that level of obsession is plausible and not uncommon.
Aug 20, 2015 5:06 PM

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Very unnerving and uncomfortable to watch. Pretty cool so far! This episode really seemed to add some 'fluff' to the world.
Sep 5, 2015 2:44 AM

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Well that was uncomfortable but I can't say I really understand what's going on.
Jan 6, 2016 6:29 PM

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This is why you need to get a UPS and backup your files, Suganuma!

Good episode. BP is really solid at is showing the progression of madness in each character. This and the last case were pretty extreme and I wonder how much more it'll up the ante.

For those who are still confused, they revealed quite a bit in one of the alley scenes. I'm not 100% sure if that was Manticore (probably is), but he mentioned harnessing slaves to remake "human society". Whatever this society in the making is, he's playing around with unstable and extremely vulnerable individuals.
Each episode, Manticore provides them a means to reinforce their "correct" way of thinking. Type-Slave is an aromatherapy? with an inherent side-effect of being more daring or loose. Bottled courage? Sounds familiar, eh? It appeared to work for Suganuma.. but only because he was losing what little sanity he had left every time he used it.
Mar 6, 2016 5:00 AM

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not going to lie but actually found this hard to watch at parts, so awkward and creepy
May 17, 2016 3:52 PM

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What does this teach us? Never play Eroges too much.

But damn, it is hard to resist.
Jun 20, 2016 8:00 AM
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At the very moment that I saw Yoji, I thought "Would be awesome if he was the mad man we saw in the episode before", and the fact that it's actually the case felt realy good plot-speaking. This show is building a very strong narrative-puzzle, incredibly hard (and enjoyable) to decrypt so far and I like that.
Aug 4, 2016 1:04 AM

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I love, love, love the unconventional way of telling the narrative in these episodes! The way the 'main character' of each episode gets a cameo an episode beforehand is really interesting. I always think nothing of it when I see it, then when the next episode comes along it all starts to make sense.

I really am liking this show a lot.
Mar 3, 2017 10:18 PM

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Apparently (as far as the anime goes) this episode was a filler. Which is fine by me! What a gripping episode! Despite how creepy the dude is, you can't help but feel sorry for him as he takes a downward spiral into a virtual drug fueled madness.

I can definitely relate to the father son relationship. It's not entirely the father's fault but quotes like these "a son is owned by the parent" certainly don't help. The father does try to compromise by at least asking for a state university but I feel like his negative encouragement as well as unrealistic expectations (not everyone will be working off a degree, simply no society can operate like this) was partially at fault. If the kid takes a buddhist approach and learns to love his job in a service industry as well as being financially independant and able to care for his parents, I really personally don't see the issue in a holistic sense.

But we see clearly that he isn't coping, he doesn't want to face reality, he lusts after the seemingly effortless happiness everyone else has, but instead of embracing the lifestyle he's chosen he has simply retreated into a room connected to the wired.

This show is ending up a possible diamond in the rough, I would not be surprised if this ends up in my top ten or top twenty.
Modified by Rosny, Mar 3, 2017 10:24 PM
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Mar 24, 2017 7:30 AM

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Pretty crazy shit that's going on here! Well let's see what's next.
Jun 7, 2017 3:49 AM
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Apparently built in an episodic structures w diff stories ab diff teens. But everything is connected, characters from earlier eps return as leads...
This world feels so lived in, its problems feel so believable.
Jun 7, 2017 3:56 AM
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Not only the music but the background noise too, this level of soundtrack is not typical of TV animes, it's like from a high budget film with so much time to record n choose all of that.
Sep 7, 2017 2:08 PM

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I was totally prepared after the first 2 episodes to drop this show, but episodes 3 and 4 were actually kind of cool. It's feels less random now that we're starting to get the usual vague, dementia-style connections.

This episode was pretty interesting; that dude was insane. I'll forgive the whole "guys who play gal games are IRL autistic pedophiles" trope since this an old show and it actually worked for the story :P I'll also give him props for Rie's uniform, since it was actually pretty cute, but the swimsuit was just never gonna fly man.

I mean, personally I'd go to that restaurant for sure, but just saying.
Jan 16, 2018 4:01 PM

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yoooo this episode reminded me of Berenice by Edgar Allen Poe. Retreating from reality so much that you treat it like fantasy not only makes you evil, but makes you a slave to smarter evil.
Jan 28, 2018 6:19 PM

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this episode hit a little too close to home

Mar 16, 2018 1:42 AM

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a incredible deconstruction of an otakus psyche.
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Apr 22, 2018 4:49 PM

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Creepy dude is creepy. Rie... Rie... Rie! High as a kite.

This mostly happened before the "light".
Sep 8, 2018 10:23 AM

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There's a wabun code around 3:00
Anyone knows Japanese?
Sep 11, 2018 7:25 PM

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Average episode, at least much better than all that mess from Ep 3
Nov 15, 2018 10:05 AM

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I'll say it, this episode was uncomfortable in all the best ways. I'm a little vague on how it ties into the overall story, since the only connection seemed to be that Rie was talking to Mizuki (Panuru girl, I might have her name wrong) and maybe a bit with that Type S and the people selling it, I'll see, but even if it doesn't tie in that much, this episode was just straight disturbing.
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Nov 17, 2018 1:31 PM

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Pretty good stuff again. I like how subtle the episodes are connected with each other. It's still a bit confusing, but also fun when things are becoming easier to understand with each passing episode.
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Feb 6, 2019 12:41 AM

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[Insert 'Getting Better' by The Beatles here]
Mar 4, 2019 10:29 PM

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Oh, an episode about that too? It feels like I'm watching the "12 plagues of 2000s Japan".

5/5 As good as unpleasant.

Ston3_FreeN7 said:
Was it just me or was that Nagi in the alley eating that girls corpse?

It seemed to be the dead girl we saw in the Manticore incident flashback (its death/ flee). After all, the episode takes place before the light pillar phenomenon.
Apr 27, 2019 6:09 PM
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This episode scared me...